Subject: Re: How do I explode an attributed block without losing text information ???
From: desim@mid.org
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:51:02 -0600
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In article <5662u6$ofo@news.wantree.com.au>,
cadedit@Wantree.com.au (Nathan) wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Basically I need to know how to explode an attributed block without losing text
> information ??? I have 20 P&ID;'s with lots of attributed blocks..
> Thanks,
> Nathan.
>
Nathen, if you can copy one of the blocks (hopefully they're all the same)
explode it, change the text
and re-block it using the same name, and insertion point.
good luck !
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Mr. Desi Moreno desim@mid.org
Modesto Irrigation District
Electrical Engineering Technician
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Subject: Re: Ethical problem
From: mgeorge
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:25:38 -0700
Ian A. White wrote:
>
> Here' an odd one.
>
> I had a call from a student attending a technical college asking if I
> could provide him with a menu for a project he had to complete for the
> course he is doing.
>
> My suggestion to him was to get a copy of a menu file and follow it to
> see what it did. I even offered to take him in some tuition, but no,
> he wanted the work to be done for him.
>
> Any thoughts on this?
Ian, Having taught AutoCAD and other subjects at 3 Higher educations
institutions. You did the right thing. I hope you had the student refer
to their student handbook on the subject of plagiarism or original work.
All of the institutions I have experience with have a section on this
which usually spell out a minimum of failure in the course when caught
with the possiblity of expulsion. When I taught I enforced this. I do
as part of the course intro give them fair warning and reference the
appropriate sections in the handbook. After that I took no prisoners.
If they could be proved to have cheated, which was generally very easy,
they failed the course and the reason was entered on their college
record.
If honest is lost all is lost.
Michael
Subject: Re: <<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
From: LPB
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:55:00 -0600
>
> But don't you think that most (if not all) software is overpriced? I
> mean, for private user $300-500 for copy of MS Office (for instance)
> is way too much.
>
Note the name ^^^^^^
Yep that's OFFICE, as in business class software, if you want
home class software, get Works or even Corel's Perfect Office.
Both are cheaper than MS Office. Usually they come bundled with
home PC's , I know Works does. AutoCad is Engineering software,
It's not what you use to design a deck or a kitchen remodel,
there are some $150 and less packages for that. AutoCad is big
bucks because its very powerful. An imperfect analogy (arent they all)
is that you dont buy a Detroit Diesel 5ton truck to pick up groceries
at the corner store, so dont bitch about the price of the truck.
The folks who use them for what they were designed dont think the
price is excessive. (they like to pay less, but not if it only had a
1/2ton capacity, or 5 Mile range)
Trying to justify the theft of the product by 'its too expensive' just
doesnt wash here.
Subject: Mechanical Desktop Question
From: Student
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:54:04 -0800
I have another rather hard question (or we think so) about
M. Desktop:
How do you make a surface into a part?
Wait, don't say it can't be done!
We're trying to model some components in Desktop and then
translating them to Ansis for FEA. But it is quite less time
consuming (IE 2 days vs 3 or 4 hours, no exageration) when
we make the object (a flange in this case) out of a surface
instead of a part.
I tried making just a block then cutting away using surfaces but
over 60% of the time it would't work, Desktop said the surfaces
wouldn't AMSURFCUT.
Any suggestions, comments?
Thanks,...CC and email if you could.
Peter Cowan
pcowan@engr.uvic.ca
pcowan@sirius.uvic.ca
Mechanical Engineering Student - University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C.
Subject: Re: Linewidth display "wish" for R14
From: "Tony Tanzillo"
Date: 13 Nov 1996 03:31:23 GMT
FWIW, Intergraph Imagineer supports linewidth attributes
which can be supressed. I'm going to be posting a product
review of Imagineer on my website soon. I've not been this
excited about a CAD program since Autodesk first released
AutoCAD 2.18 (the first to have AutoLISP).
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Ian A. White wrote in article
<328860c6.20575600@news.zip.com.au>...
> A message came through a few days back where the writer "wished" that
> R14 displayed lines in the width they would appear on a plot.
>
> If Autodesk is listening (reading?), and I believe they are, PLEASE
> ONLY IMPLEMENT THIS AS AN OPTION. Do not force this on us like the
> ability to assign a separate LTSCALE to every object as was done with
> R13. All this has done is increase the size of the drawing, and
> everyone I have spoken to who uses R13 (and there are not that many
> ;-)) only ever uses one value for LTSCALE anyway.
>
> WYSIWYG is the reason being put forward for showing line widths.
> Don't confuse WYSIWYG in a wordprocessor with what you believe you
> will get in CAD. When was the last time you zoomed in in a
> wordprocessor like you do in CAD? In CAD you may have to zoom in to
> check the intersection of two objects, however all line widths will do
> is make such resolution impossible.
>
> If you want to provide a WYSIWYG plot preview, then by all means do
> so. Just PLEASE don't force users to have to work with linewidths all
> the time. Yes, there are programs which work this way, and I have
> probably spent more time correcting supplied drawings from such
> programs because of this.
>
> I suppose one "benefit" of showing line widths will be to show those
> CAD managers how absurd using some half scale patterns are, as with
> the pens used, the lines would dashes would merge anyway. No, this is
> not sufficient reason for implementing it.
>
> Don't use the streaker's excuse..."It seemed like a good idea at the
> time".
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Ian A. White, CPEng
> waiwhite@zip.com.au
> WAI Engineering
> Sydney 2000
> Australia
>
>
>
>
>
Subject: Re: hello 911???
From: "Tony Tanzillo"
Date: 13 Nov 1996 03:35:55 GMT
Feel free to send me a .zip containing the files if you want,
and I'll try them here.
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Kathy Straub wrote in article
<32887444.17EC@concentric.net>...
> i hope there is a doctor in the house...this problem is getting more
serious and
> i have not ruled out a virus, i have quite a few sheets that are giving
me
> "this operation as performed an illegal..." and will close" message.
when i
> use recover it tells me as it's scrolling through validated objects
(handles table)
> that i have invalid objects, sometimes 2 sometimes 4 and then boots me
out!
> whats weird is the office copy can get pulled up at the office but when
> i bring it home 90% of the time it crashes with the above message. (i
mean
> most of the files, if it happens, it happens all the time)
> i am using autocad 13 c4 with win95. i am wondering if anyone would like
> to have a copy of a couple files to see if they can "debug" them...or
> tell me if i am going to have a catastophy on my hands soon.
> oh where is my psychic reader when i need one?
>
> thanks alot
> kathy straub
> aka
> elmofudd@concentric.net
>
Subject: Re: INTERNAL ERROR !smio.cc@214
From: Thomson Adsett Architects: Sydney
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 13:58:39 +1100
Pieter Dhaenens wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> The last time i got a strange error on my monitor called
> INTERNAL ERROR !smio.cc@214
>
> I use Win 95 ,R13c4,32MB ram
> Anyone knows the reason or is it some bug within autocad?
>
> Greets
>
> Pieter
>
> http://www.club.innet.be/~year1275/
Your not by any chance using Xref's are you. We are experiencing the
same error message. It seems to be related to corrupt layer information
in the Layer Table. R13 Xref's seem to have a few bugs in regard to
layers. Some layers that have been deleted from an Xref source file are
not being deleted from the file that contains the xref. There are a few
other anomalies as well. As a result, any AutoCAD command that is
referencing the Layer Table will cause the fatal crash. Such commands
include LAYER/?, DDEMODES, DDRENAME (it defaults to listing the layers).
If you have a file that you suspect is going to cause a problem, try
using the AUDIT command with "Fix errors automatically" turned on. If
there is a bad layer then it will probably be renamed to
$AUDIT_BAD_LAYER.
Hope this is a help to you!
Kind Regards
Sean Kenny
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Subject: Re: block/wblock
From: "Robert Albert"
Date: 13 Nov 1996 04:12:20 GMT
Technically, there is no such thing as a wblock. There is a COMMAND called
wblock which is used to create a drawing file, which may be inserted as a
block into another drawing file, the one you are editing.
A DWF is an internet format drawing file, which can be viewed with the new
Whip driver, available now for Netscape and in about a month for Internet
Explorer. If you get ahold of the new AutoCAD Internet Publishiong kit,
you will get the Whip driver, a sety of tools for developing web pages, and
a toolbar which you use inside AutoCAD to add things to a DWF file online
on the web, enabling team members from diverse locations to interact more
efficiently on a project.
--
Robert Albert
Director of Technical Services
Microsol Resources Corporation
Authorized Autodesk AEC Systems Center
christengr@aol.com wrote in article
<19961112002400.TAA11608@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> I'm an r12-dos user.
>
> 1. Could someone please clarify the difference between a block & wblock.
>
> 2. What's difference between DWG/DWF/DXF files?
>
> sean
>
> email: christengr@aol.com
>
>
Subject: Re: hello 911???
From: "Robert Albert"
Date: 13 Nov 1996 04:17:43 GMT
If it loads at the office and not at home you've got to ask yourself what
is different at home than at work. Three things that come to mind are the
display driver, your memory, and possibly what ram resident programs you
have running at home. Try using a different display driver. If that
doesn't work, clean boot so that other programs which could be causing a
memory conflict are not running. If that works you can add them back one
at a time until the problem resurfaces. And if you have much less memory
at home, consider getting more memory; its never been as inexpensive than
it is right now! In fact I just found a 64k SIMM in a box of Crackerjacks
last week! No, not really!
--
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Director of Technical Services
Microsol Resources Corporation
Authorized Autodesk AEC Systems Center
Kathy Straub wrote in article
<32887428.7899@concentric.net>...
> i hope there is a doctor in the house...this problem is getting more
serious and
> i have not ruled out a virus, i have quite a few sheets that are giving
me
> "this operation as performed an illegal..." and will close" message.
when i
> use recover it tells me as it's scrolling through validated objects
(handles table)
> that i have invalid objects, sometimes 2 sometimes 4 and then boots me
out!
> whats weird is the office copy can get pulled up at the office but when
> i bring it home 90% of the time it crashes with the above message. (i
mean
> most of the files, if it happens, it happens all the time)
> i am using autocad 13 c4 with win95. i am wondering if anyone would like
> to have a copy of a couple files to see if they can "debug" them...or
> tell me if i am going to have a catastophy on my hands soon.
> oh where is my psychic reader when i need one?
>
Subject: Background color, R13 DOS
From: juha.sallinen@pcb.mpoli.fi (JUHA SALLINEN)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 00:34:00 +0200
D> @FROM :dmitzel@computerland.net N
D> @UMSGID :<327FC5AC.2BB6@computerland.net> N
D>
D> 1) The background color of the drawing screen.
D> 2) The color of pull-down menu items that are "grayed out" (not
D> available for whatever reason).
D>
D> It's NOT under "Options, Preferences" nor "Dialog Box Colors." Thanks in
D> advance to any DOS ACAD genie.
Uh. In DOS-version colors are usually handled by video-card driver.
My best guess is to try from Config, select video-card, etc.
What video-card and what driver you are using?
Colors of the dialogs are also controlled by DLGCOLOR-command, rarely used. (or
needed, anyway.)
Not much help, but HTH
Regards, Juha
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Subject: Re: Matroc Millenium + re
From: juha.sallinen@pcb.mpoli.fi (JUHA SALLINEN)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 00:34:00 +0200
NP> >problem with transparent commands...)
NP>
NP> So where do I get 1.02 from? :)
I was afraid of that that you are asking that next ;)
but I really don't know. I can of course go and ask that
arch. firm to get a copy of their drivers, but this is a
bit of complex anyway...
NP>
NP> I e-mailed their tech-support. Other than an auto-acknowledge, no
NP> response so far. No mention of it in their FAQ
Weird....
NP> Its a popular card and lots of people are still running 12 on DOS,
Jap, I guess so too. But it looks, that not so many know how to use it
really... (ie. to install the correct drivers, use transparent commands,
etc...)
Please email to me, only to remind me and to inform me about your
email-address. I am also keen to get that problem figured out.
Regards, Juha
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Subject: Importing raster files into r13c4
From: Glen Brent
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 22:35:22 -0500
I have been attempting to import raster files in various formats, gif,
pcx, and tiff without success. Seems to work fine except that after the
scale is entered, the raster image disappears. I believe the image is in
an anonymous block (*u2, or some such number) but did not actually get
inserted into the drawing since I can purge it. Any notion as to why
not?
How can I make these import utilities work correctly?
Thanks, Glen Brent
Subject: Re: Linetypes in ACAD12
From: hopltd@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in (Nikhil Kaila)
Date: 12 Nov 1996 20:29:11 -0800
"Donna Thiessen" wrote:
>About a month ago Patrick Slattery posted a description on how to create
>linetypes with text in them. Is this facility only available in ACAD13?
>I have set up a linetype as suggested and I get an error message "Invalid
>number or bad continuation". Likewise, is the shape complex linetype only
>possible with ACAD 13?
>If I should be able to use these in ACAD12, any suggestions on what I am
>doing wrong?
>Following is the line I am trying to enter
>*Sanitary Sewer _______SAN_______
>A,400,-250,["SAN",Line,S=100,X=-200,Y=-50],-250
Donna,
The customisation of Complex Linetypes interspersed with AutoCAD Shapes
and AutoCAD Text String can only be done in AutoCAD R13, as AutoCAD R12
does not support this utility.
And only simple Linetypes defined by numeric distances for dashes,dots
and spaces can be customised in AutoCADR12.
Nikhil Kaila
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//
Subject: Re: R13 Printing Problem
From: hopltd@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in (Nikhil Kaila)
Date: 12 Nov 1996 20:35:43 -0800
fabultra@ix.netcom.com (Fabman) wrote:
> I am pretty new to AutoCad and I got myself a printing problem. I just
>installed the paintjet driver for autocad R13 but it only prints at the bottom
>of the page. I don't have a Paintjet, I have a Deskjet 540. It should work
>with all 500 series Deskjet printers it says. I have a feeling I'm overlooking
>a very simple answer. If you can give me any info can you send it to
>Fabultra@ix.netcom.com. Thanks
Fabman,
You try to configure your AutoCAD R13 again using CONFIG command and
do the Ploter configuration in the following manner.
1)Give the CONFIG command and press enter and you get the Configuration
menu as below, do the setting at the required prompt's as done in the
specimen below;
[Note:- The replies to be given at different prompts are marked with **]
Configuration menu
0. Exit to drawing editor
1. Show current configuration
2. Allow detailed configuration
3. Configure video display
4. Configure digitizer
5. Configure plotter
6. Configure system console
7. Configure operating parameters
Enter selection <0>: 5 **
Your current plotter is: Hewlett-Packard (PCL) PaintJet/DeskJet ADI 4.2 - by
Autodesk, Inc
Description:
Plotter Configuration Menu
0. Exit to configuration menu
1. Add a plotter configuration
2. Delete a plotter configuration
3. Change a plotter configuration
4. Rename a plotter configuration
Enter selection, 0 to 4 <0>: 1 **
A U T O C A D (R)
Copyright (c) 1982-95 Autodesk, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Release 13_c4 (12/4/95) Microsoft Windows Version 4.0 (x86)
Serial Number: 115-10121595
PRE-RELEASE EVALUATION VERSION -- NOT FOR RESALE
Licensed to: S.K.BASU, HOPE,BANGALORE
Obtained from: AUTODESK - 080-5540334
Available plotter:
1. None
2. AutoCAD file output formats (pre 4.1) - by Autodesk, Inc
3. CalComp ColorMaster Plotters ADI 4.2 V2.8 - by Autodesk, Inc.
4. CalComp DrawingMaster Plotters ADI 4.2 V2.8 - by Autodesk, Inc.
5. CalComp Electrostatic Plotters ADI 4.2 V2.8 - by Autodesk, Inc.
6. CalComp Pen Plotters ADI 4.2 V2.8 - by Autodesk, Inc.
7. Canon Laser Printer ADI 4.2 - by Autodesk, Inc
8. Hewlett-Packard (HP-GL) ADI 4.2 - by Autodesk, Inc
9. Hewlett-Packard (PCL) LaserJet ADI 4.2 - by Autodesk, Inc
10. Hewlett-Packard (PCL) PaintJet/DeskJet ADI 4.2 - by Autodesk, Inc
11. Hewlett-Packard HP-GL/2 devices, ADI 4.2 - for Autodesk by HP
12. Houston Instrument ADI 4.2 - by Autodesk, Inc
13. PostScript device ADI 4.2 - by Autodesk, Inc
14. Raster file export ADI 4.2 - by Autodesk, Inc
15. System Printer ADI 4.2 - by Autodesk, Inc
Select device number or ? to repeat list <1>: 10 **
Supported models:
1. DeskJet 500 Series Printers
2. PaintJet
Enter selection, 1 or 2 <1>: 2 **
Do you want color plots? (press enter) **
Possible resolutions (dots/inch):
1. 90
2. 180
Select desired resolution, 1 or 2 <1>: (press enter) **
Do you want transparency (high intensity) mode on? (press enter) **
Enter parallel port name for plotter or . for none : (press enter) **
Plot will NOT be written to a selected file
Sizes are in Inches and the style is portrait
Plot origin is at (0.00,0.00)
Plotting area is 7.99 wide by 11.00 high (MAX size)
Plot is NOT rotated
Hidden lines will NOT be removed
Plot will be scaled to fit available area
Do you want to change anything? (No/Yes/File) : y **
Object Pen Line Object Pen Line
Color No. Type Color No. Type
1 (red) 1 0 9 1 0
2 (yellow) 1 0 10 1 0
3 (green) 1 0 11 1 0
4 (cyan) 1 0 12 1 0
5 (blue) 1 0 13 1 0
6 (magenta) 1 0 14 1 0
7 (white) 1 0 15 1 0
8 1 0 16 1 0
Do you want to change any of the above parameters? (give enter) **
If you have previously measured the lengths of a horizontal
and a vertical line that were plotted to a specific scale,
you may use these measurements to calibrate your plotter.
Would you like to calibrate your plotter? y **
Enter measured length of horizontal line <1.0000>: (press enter) **
Enter correct length of horizontal line <1.0000>: (press enter) **
Enter measured length of vertical line <1.0000>: (press enter) **
Enter correct length of vertical line <1.0000>: (press enter) **
Write the plot to a file? (press enter) **
Size units (Inches or Millimeters) : (press enter) **
Plot origin in Inches <0.00,0.00>: (press enter) **
Standard values for plotting size
Size Width Height
MAX 7.99 11.00
Enter the Size or Width,Height (in Inches) : (press enter) **
(or give the required size)
Rotate plot clockwise 0/90/180/270 degrees <0>: (press enter) **
Remove hidden lines? (press enter) **
Specify scale by entering:
Plotted Inches=Drawing Units or Fit or ? : (press enter) **
Enter a description for this plotter: (press enter) **
Your current plotter is: Hewlett-Packard (PCL) PaintJet/DeskJet ADI 4.2 - by
Autodesk, Inc
Description:
Here we have generalised the settings which can give you the required
size plot but you can change the settings as per your need, keeping
the setting of Plotting Size and Plotting Scale to proper values.
This should solve you problem of plotting if it does not fix it let us
know the problem with details of setting while plotting, to help you
further on this.
Nikhil Kaila
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//
Subject: Re: Drafting Software Survey
From: "S. Yoder"
Date: 13 Nov 1996 05:41:31 GMT
Raymond G. Zinn wrote in article
<3288EE91.7404@interaccess.com>...
> Gary Lynn Kerr wrote:
> >
> > To whom ever wrote that the term draftsMEN was not correct. GET A
LIFE!
> > When the word men/man is used in a word it is generic and means
mankind.
> > And a female boss has a problem with it she has too much time on her
> > hands. Also that same feMALE boss probably would not liked being
> > referred to as feMALE/woMEN. As I said before GET A LIFE!
> >
> > On Sat, 9 Nov
> > 1996, Jim Weir wrote:
> >
> > > Peter shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:
> > >
> > > ->ATTENTION ALL ENGINEERS AND DRAFTSMEN:
> > >
> > > I'd suggest before you get out into the real world with a female boss
that
> > > you find another word for "draftsMEN".
> > > >
> !!!!!! AMEN !!!!!!!
> People who try to change a language to suit their views should study the
> lexicon of it first. Words do not mean what we want, they mean what are.
I personally never gave a flip. Yet I don't like "draftswoman", but I do
take it as a sign of politeness when a guy goes out of his way to
say "drafter". "Draftsperson" doesn't cut it either. Makes me think of
an old Far Side cartoon ;)
As long as you respect my work, I'll respect yours.
Enjoy,
Stef
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Subject: Re: Change Plotter Cnfigure of AutoCAD LT
From: "S. Yoder"
Date: 13 Nov 1996 05:21:49 GMT
Wegine wrote in article
<56aebv$k1m@news.nchu.edu.tw>...
>
> 1. If I set AutoCAD LT plotter configure to use " System Plotter" at
> first. I wish to reset the plotter to use AutoCAD LT's plotter
> driver. How should I do?
>
In the Plot dialog box, under Default Device/Settings (they phrase this
differently w/ each version) button, you can pick from a limited range
of drivers LT comes with. It does not have the selection AutoCad has.
> 2. After I re-install the AutoCAD LT software. The AutoCAD LT system
> do not request I to configure display, digitizer, plotter, Even if
>
> I deleted the ACLT.CFG file, it is the same. What should I do?
LT is not like AutoCad. It uses Window's drivers for such things. You will
want your ACLT.CFG file back. Tip: instead of deleting, move it to a
different directory. That way you can see what effect deleting a particular
file will have without too much hassle in restoring.
Enjoy,
Stef
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