Subject: REPOST: CTAC Meeting to discuss careers in Software QA
From: sal@evallab.com (Scott Lowe)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 00:22:26 GMT
C.T.A.C. MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT:
=======================
C.T.A.C.
The Career & Technology Advancement Community
Explores the field of
SOFTWARE QUALITY ASSURANCE TESTING
Thursday, November 14, 1996
6:00pm to 7:30pm
Round Table Pizza,
2nd FloorGeary Blvd. at 16 Avenue, San Francisco
FEE:*
$10 (non-members)$5 (for CTAC members)
$5 for Job Recruiters
* Fee includes pizza; no-host beverages.
==================================
GUEST SPEAKERS:
Technology Speaker -
STEVE COHEN, AUTODESK, Quality Assurance Department.
Job Market Speaker -
AMY SMITH, Zen Systems
AGENDA
6:00 Registration (& pizza ordering)
6:15 WorkShop 15 (15 minute computer tutorial)
7:00 Technology Speaker & Questions & Answers
7:30 Job Market Speaker & Questions & Answers
8:00 Planning meeting (Everyone is invited)
to discuss up coming multi-media meeting
and the formation of a Special Interest Group
**********************************
*** R.S.V.P. Required ***
**********************************
Join us to discuss the field of Software QA with Steve Cohen of Autodesk; makers of AutoCAD, and Amy
Smith of Zen Systems; a job placement firm that specializes in Quality Assurance contracts. Stay for some
pizza and meet your professional community. Tell us the kinds of meetings you want to see. Future CTAC
meetings will include:** Architecture and Technology** Career paths in CADD, ** Jobs in Multi-Media
======================================
CTAC, the Career & Technology Advancement Community, is a newly formed professional association
founded by career-oriented people who wish to facilitate career advancement through community building
and education. Each monthly CTAC meeting features a speaker on technology and a speaker on jobs and
career opportunities.
For more information or to R.S.V.P., call Scott Lowe @ (415)897-3335, email at sal@evallab.com, or fax
at (415)899-1684.
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Subject: Re: AutoCAD can do anything (well almost)
From: rurban@xarch.tu-graz.ac.at (Reini Urban)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:34:28 GMT
g.cerven@ix.netcom.com(Gregory P. Cerven ) wrote:
>It won't be long
>before AutoCAD has objects that are 3rd party developer specific, and
>can only be modified by a Strategic Developer's application. Yeah,
>AutoCAD will be able to view and plot that door, but it won't be able
>to make it bigger or smaller 'cause it doesn't know what a door is.
>But if you buy this other application for only ...
Its already there! That's OO!
Most of those zombies cant even be viewed or printed without the app.
---
Reini Urban, TU Graz, Architecture & X-RAY
http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/autocad/
Subject: Re: Calcomp DB III & menu
From: Morten Warankov
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 12:46:06 +0100
Charles Meredith, Jr. wrote:
>
> I have a user who just started using R13c4 DOS. He was setting up his
> digitizer(Calcomp Drawing Board III)and got to Menu Area 4. He selected
> his three points and then got this message "The points selected do not
> form a 90 degree angle." Well, we tried again(being more precise), same
> thing.
>
Hi Charles,
I've noticed that this happens from time to time on Calcomp Digitizers.
I've never figured the reason, but found two solutions. One of them may
work. For your specific problem I'd guess no. 1 (since you come to area
No.4):
1. Your allowable 'working area' on the digitizer is not big enough.
Try to narrow your picking points (both horizontal and vertical) until
the digitizer accepts your picks.(sometimes it can be as small as 1x1
mm)
Then you can initialize your digitizer the second time with the correct
picking points. If the digitizer don't accept the second initialization,
do the following:
1.1 Switch off your dig.
1.2 Switch off your PC.
1.3 Switch on your dig.
1.4 Switch on your PC.
1.5 Try a second init.
2. The digitizer area is 'mirrored'.
Instead of picking:
1 2 3
2 3 try 1 3 or 2 1.
then you do the second init. as described above.
There could also be a combination of the two above: mirrored _and_ small
working area.
Try this out.
After a small practicizing time you will be the 'digitizer' repairman
for your company. I know from experience.
Hope this helps,
Mortenw
Subject: Re: Old lazy Minds?, (was Re: Ethical problem)
From: Morten Warankov
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:43:00 +0100
Dennis Shinn wrote:
>
> Morten Warankov wrote:
>
>
> But the post Ian offered that started all this is far from unique: I've seen
> similar posts in the past. People, mostly students as I recall, asking for what
> is essentially the answer to the problem rather than information on how to solve
> it themselves. If I understand your meaning, this is what your are refering to.
You're correct. All I was trying to say was that if someone do the job
for these guys, they've no experience in trying to solve the problems
themselves. Further they have no experience from work as us elder people
have, so that reduces them to NO VALUE.
After reading the replies I have to admit that my posting wasn't clear,
but I hope that the reply from Dennis' and myself was better for
clarifying my opinion.
Sorry for that.
Mortenw
Subject: Re: 2D Autocad-Drawing to OpenInVentor
From: "Jörg Dreiling" <3ling@hrz2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de>
Date: 13 Nov 1996 12:16:29 GMT
Hi Roger,
Roger Brown, P.E. schrieb im Beitrag
<32876415.41C6@sgi.com>...
Jörg Dreiling wrote:
> I´ve got a big problem with an Autocad drawing to be converted into the
> OIV.
> I have a Drawing of a street-construction (only lines, polylines, and
> arcs). When I´m converting it in OIV, I only see the drawing, but I´m not
> able to get some faces.
Which version of AutoCAD are you using, what platform and how are you
doing the conversion? I've converted 100's of files to OpenInventor and
VRML with little trouble. You can find information on doing so in my
AutoCAD home page (below)...
--
Roger Brown, P.E. r.c.brown@ieee.org (email)
Check out the AutoCAD Bonus Pack ...
http://reality.sgi.com/autocad/BonusPack.html
----------
My first problem is gone (my drawing wasn´t a real 3D construction), but
now I have another trouble!
My converted Files *.iv look nice, but if i want to render the faces, I
have twisted Bounding Boxes.
So that all boxes have a 45° turned direction. I can´t help myself,
Maybe you got some Idea?
tx in advance
3ling@hrz2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de
Subject: Re: Some Mechanical Desktop Questions for you experts out there:
From: Bob Van der Donck
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:36:54 +0100
Peter Cowan wrote:
>
> Hi there, I have some Mechanical Desktop questions, anyone that can answer them
> would be my hero for the day!
>
> 1) How do you mirror an already made part in M.D.? Do you do it when you assemble
> the whole drawing with all the parts?
>
> 2) How do you constrain a surface to a part in assembly mode [ammate]: Iv'e
> read you can do it in using the lines on the NURBS surface but i've had no luck so far.
>
> 3) How do you "constrain" a surface to a surface, like joining: I'm trying to make
> a "T" surface, the top horizontal one part and the bottom vertical another part. But
> since the "T" shape is created using a 3D-polyline because it's so irregular, i can't
> make it into a part with ease, only in a surface. Would I just "GROUP" them both
> together then when I constrain one part of the "T" to my major part in the drawing,
> would both move?
>
> 4) Why is it when sometimes I AMPROFILE a sketch into a part, it shoots way off
> out there, away from where I was zoomed into? I mean, way out. Even when my ucs
> origin point is at a point where I was zoomed into.
>
> 5) If a cow laughed, would milk come out of her nose?
>
> Thanks for you help. If you could CC your posting to my email address I would
> be thankfull (I can't read the news group unless I make a trip up to the university,
> But I can read my email from home)
>
>
>
> ,,,
> (o o)
> -------------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo---------------------------
> Peter Cowan
> University of Victoria ...but one day destined for "the place" _--_|\
> Mechanical Engineering / \
> pcowan@engr.uvic.ca \_.--._/
> http://www.engr.uvic.ca/~pcowan V
1) Copy the part, explode it to an ACIS solid and mirror the solid
2) Use the surface as an external component. Add points, workpoints,
lines , regions or circles as help constructions to your surface drawing.
You can constrain to all these entities. Turn their display off with
AMVISIBLE after constraining.
3) See 2)
4) No idea. Try using another sequence of constraining or dimensioning.
Or you can try to place a fix point on a strategic place (AMFIXPT).
The nice thing about the fix point is that it does what the name promises.
5) If your stepmother would be a cow would you milk her?
Cheers,
Bob Van der Donck
Autodesk MCAD support Switzerland
Subject: US-NC-Architectural AutoCad Drafter
From: char@systemone.com (System One Technical, Charlotte)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 13:49:45 GMT
SUBJECT: US-NC-Architectural AutoCad Drafter-System One Technical
ORGANIZATION: System One Technical
LOCATION: Charlotte, NC
EMPLOYMENT DESCRIPTION:
Charlotte based company seeking Architectural AutoCad Drafters. The
ideal candidate should have experience with site, civil, and lanscape
drafting. AutoCad 12 and 13 skills are required.
COMPENSATION: Commensurate on experience.
Email: char@systemone.com - 'attn Heather Cropp' in the subject line
System One Technical Phone: (704)525-1234
9 Woodlawn Green Fax: (704) 525-2132
5000 Nations Crossing, Suite 227 Web: http://www.systemone.com
Charlotte, North Carolina 28217
Subject: Mechanical Desktop wishes (was: Re: Mechanical Desktop......Threaded Connections? ?)
From: trautwei@twe.stuttgart.netsurf.de (T. Trautwein)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:30:04 GMT
In the current news group thread I was reading the MCAD section at Autodesk will
listen to the users requests. If you don't mind I'd like to suggest a few more
"wishes" for the next release:
- implement outside threads as feature (also trapezoid threads and other
sepcial threads)
- let the user select if the threads are displayed symbolic or in full reality
- allow fillets along a line to be variable in radius
- allow intersecting fillets ( i.e. you have 2 holes close to each other and
fillet both edges so the radii intersect each other)
- IMPLEMENT OPEN/GL !!! Boy I can't believe it's not yet.
- allow parts to be scaled (to compensate shrinkage when casting)
- allow parts to be subtracted from each other (a part from the raw mould or a
tool / toolpath from the part
- make the workplanes parametric editable. Sometimes I need to make a
workplane really odd in the space of a part. The only suitable way now is to
turn and twist the UCS how you want it and make your plane off that.
I'd like to select a line and surface of the part, define an angel to the line and to
the surface and then determine the origin i.e. Also, I'd like to have this parametric,
so I can change the orientation or origin later by editing the dimensions of the plane.
- In detailing there are often splines used when arcs or circles would be
correct. I can't dimension the radius of splines but of arcs, so we need them in
detailing whereever possible
- In assembly you should be able to set a fixed point in a part which can be
attached to another part or point. Or how to you constrain the end of a rounded cylinder
sitting on a surface, or the cylinder in a rectangular tube..... (needs overall improvem.)
- make the whole assembly thing a little nicer to use. It seems like it's more
complicated than neccessary
- make the partspec/material spec CD's available to Europe too (as you suggested
to use them), eventually add metric parts / European materials
- lower the prices. Why does it cost almost 2x the American price in Germany? If
you then have to add Genius Desktop to compensate the missing features the CAD package
comes easily to DM 20.000+ ($13.300) which is not a cometitive price compared with
Microstation or SolidWorks
- Don't release it before it's as stable as AMD 1.1
- Thank you very much for listening
Please forward it to the departments which might be interested.
CC'ed to comp.cad.autocad
My best greetings,
Frank
Subject: Translator for .DGN files
From: "C. Michael Clayton"
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 07:06:41 -0800
Our company recently purchased a program that produces graphics in
Microstation .DGN format but we use AutoCAD. Does anyone know of a
reliable translation program to convert .DGN to .DWG (or .DXF) format?
The translation program could be installed on either the PC platform
(Win95 of NT) or Unix Silicon Graphics.
We'd prefer not to buy a copy of Microstation for this purpose. Thanks
for any assistance or advice you can offer.
--
+ C. Michael Clayton + If my opinions were worth anything,I'd +
+ Geologist - E & P + be selling them; alas, I'm offering +
+ Texaco, Bakersfield + them, free, to a good home. +
+ claytcm@texaco.com + (Standard disclaimers re Texaco apply) +
Subject: Re: ARX -- deriving from which class?
From: "Lori A. MacVittie"
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:28:03 -0600
Ralf Allar wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> I'm starting to develop with the ARX-API and I'd like to know, how to
> derive from an Entity.
>
> I want to build a new entity (in this case a wall). Now, should I derive
> from AcDbEntity or from AcDbCurve?
>
> What are the dis/advantages to derive from either one?
The obvious disadvantages to deriving directly from AcDbEntity is that
you will have to either a) create new code to handle what AcDbCurve
already handles or b) include AcDbCurve as a data member in your new
entity.
While (b) does not seem like a disadvantage, this option is less
object-oriented than the option of deriving directly from AcDbCurve.
When you derive from AcDbCurve you can directly access the methods and
public data members which is of course, more efficient and keeps in line
with the paradigm. Deriving from AcDbEntity requires that you access
those same methods through yet another object, which can become slow,
both
from a coding standpoint and in execution time.
The easiest way in an object-oriented paradigm of determining what to
derive from and what to include as a data member is to ask the
following:
1. If Entity A is a logical extension of Entity B, ie. Entity A IS-A
Entity B, then Entity A should most likely be derived from Entity B.
2. If Entity A has as an 'attribute' Entity B, ie. A HAS-A entity B,
then Entity A should be derived from some other entity ( if any at all )
and
include as a data member Entity B.
In your case, a wall is a type of curve, or, if the walls are guaranteed
to be straight at all times, perhaps a type of line, and therefore
should probably be derived directly from one of these entities.
On the other hand, a building HAS walls, windows, etc.. and should be
derived from AcDbEntity and contain as data members walls, windows,
etc..
> And... does someone knows where to find some good reading or tutorial stuff about
> ARX. The manual, ACAD delivered is quite unsatiesfying.
The best tutorial I have seen thus far has been their examples, short of
taking their ARX training class, which was quite satisfying.
Good luck!
Lori.
--
// Lori A. MacVittie Senior Systems Engineer
// Application Software Technologies, Inc.
// GIS Solutions Group
//
// http://www.aztechcon.com/geomorph
// lmacvittie@aztechcon.com
//
// Visit our booth at GIS/LIS '96!
Subject: Re: CAD: Quality, Productivity and Savings
From: wmill@execpc.com
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:53:21 GMT
On 12 Nov 1996 23:39:57 GMT, "Phil Chouinard [Bentley]"
wrote:
>culprb@aol.com wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>Here we go again, please be specific. Claims such as this have been
>>around a while, but very few will attempt to back them up with
>>specific details.
>
>Since you asked... :)
>
>- Twice as productive as the competition
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Now, I am all for healthy debate, and seeing specific qualities listed
is nice, but, what exactly does THIS line mean?
How is a program, on its own, "more productive"?
Does it do things on its own that cant be done by "the competition"?
(another broad, undefined, sweeping term).
Is the code half as large as "the competition", making it twice as
productive?
Does it require half the resources?
Half the hard drive space?
Get my drift here? ;-)
Please, elaborate....
Tony
BTW, can you also explain this one:
- Allows for free home use
Can I get it for free to test it out, or what??
Subject: HELP: XY Points Read in and Write Out of Autocad
From: Paul Lynn Sesto
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:28:47 GMT
hello,
i'm new to the newsgroup and would truly appreciate the groups's
help/advice/beware of this ... etc. with my current problem.
i am presently doing my 4th year thesis in mech. eng. at the university
of toronto. i am attempting to insert autocad into an existing design
process.
in short: a existing file of text and xy points defines
quadrilateral panels and cutting instructions. i want to separate the
text from the xy points; enter the points into autocad where they will be
define the control points of b-splines that are the edges of the
quadrilaterals; manipulate the quads (ie. measure, move control points,
draw on etc.) and then write out to a file with only the points and
inserting the cutting instructions where they were originally, so that
the next process that uses the file recognizes it as before.
i am presently learning c and autolisp (mech's generally begin
programming in fortran which i already know) and have found some sample
lisp files that read in xy data files and another that writes out xy
points to a file from autocad.
i realize that this may be a multi-step process (ie. separate the text
and points outside of autocad etc., create new data file, enter autocad
etc.) and am not looking for any short cuts (other than checking the
waters to see if some one has done something similar) but am seeking
advise on different approaches to this problem.
thanks very much for your help,
paul
Paul Sesto 9T7
Mechanical Engineering
University of Toronto
sesto@ecf.utoronto.ca
Subject: Re: Drafting Software Survey
From: pgs@adan.kingston.net (Peter Skelton)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:43:10 GMT
Peter wrote:
>Gary,
>Thanks, for pointing that out. Out of the three of us working on this
>survey one of them is female. She is actually the one whom came up with
>the start of the survey. I questioned her about the wording and she said
>it didn't matter. I for one am open to both male and female co-workers.
>I am not sexists at all.
I'm married to the drafting supervisor at a local plant. She flatly prefers
drafter or draftsperson but wouldn't make an issue of it, after all there
are real problems to be dealt with.
As I want to stay married another twenty years, I'll be polite.
Most sexism is lazyness, insensitivity or stupidity. There is a slight
possibility that your drafter considers you incorrigible in that way and
dosen't feel you're worth the emotional energy and career risk involved.
--
Peter Skelton
Skelton & Associates
613/634-0230
pgs@adan.kingston.net
Subject: Re: Drafting Software Survey
From: jim@rst-engr.com (Jim Weir)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 16:21:56 GMT
Gary Lynn Kerr shared these priceless pearls of
wisdom:
->To whom ever wrote that the term draftsMEN was not correct.
Well, as the person that started this little side thread, let me do a short
reply:
For whatever little cosmic joke, She made the male of the species
physically dominant, speaking from a statisitical point of view. In the
days of the hunter-gatherer, that made the male the food supplier. If the
female didn't please the male, she didn't eat. Ain't THAT a fancy reward
system? Sure as little green apples weeds out the uppity ones in a jolly
quick hurry.
Gandhi once was asked his views on Western Civilization. He said it would
be a wonderful idea. For whatever reason, most of the Western languages
from Latin on have carried on that old caveman mentality and made the
female a subset (superset?) of the male verbiage. (puer-puella; senor,
senora,senorita; man, woman, ...) Hey, you english majors can do much
better than I with the analysis.
Anyway, this is the celebration (and I use that word tongue FIRMLY in
cheek) of my 40th year in the electronics game and my 30th as an engineer.
Those of you who went to school back in the early '60s remember the one
female that graduated with the rest of the hundreds of engineers in our
classes. I'm not sure what the ratio is today, but it is one hell of a lot
higher than a fraction of a percent. Back in 'dem good ole days the only
females in the lab were generally the assemblers with their tiny little
fingers that could get parts into places that we didn't even know had
places, and the ubiquitous secretary-typist.
In that time, I've taken a side trip into politics and had to deal with
city council***, been chair*** of the board, and had to make policy for
garbage***, drafts***, and all the rest of it. At one time, the road
department drafts*** demanded to be called "cadastral delineators" and we
had to rewrite the computer program for the personnel department to accept
21 characters instead of the traditional 16 for a job title. That sucks.
Yes, I hate the forced "person" nomenclature, too. In the first place,
"city councilperson" won't fit on the nameplate. In the second, it sounds
like hell. But as yet, we haven't come up with a GOOD sex-neutral word
other than "person" or "human", both of which contain male nouns. As I'm
led to believe, per-son was just that, an entity that came into being
through (per) the action of the male (son). The etymology of "human"
escapes me.
My point, and my ONLY point, was that the language we grew up with in the
'50s and '60s (and where do you think most of the college professors today
fit, myself included?) could stand some rework as the playing field BEGINS
to level out. I didn't say draftsMAN was wrong, but there are better words
and my thought was that a kid about to graduate from college ought to start
thinking about them PRIOR to catching hell in the workplace.
Then again, I'm told that Texas is about to be dragged kicking and
screaming into the nineteenth century. There's an old story about the
Trans-Texas airline captain that announced on the intercom that, "Ladies
and gentlemen, we're making our approach to Houston. Please set your
watches back a hundred years."
Hey, I've got some sabertooth tiger steaks in the box. How 'bout a
barbecue?
Jim
Jim Weir VP Engineering | You bet your sweet patootie I speak for the
RST Engineering | company. If I don't, ain't nobody gonna.
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Subject: Re: Matroc Millenium + re
From: Roger Kilgore
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:37:34 -0800
JUHA SALLINEN wrote:
>
> NP> >problem with transparent commands...)
> NP>
> NP> So where do I get 1.02 from? :)
>
> I was afraid of that that you are asking that next ;)
> but I really don't know. I can of course go and ask that
> arch. firm to get a copy of their drivers, but this is a
> bit of complex anyway...
>
> NP>
> NP> I e-mailed their tech-support. Other than an auto-acknowledge, no
> NP> response so far. No mention of it in their FAQ
>
> Weird....
>
> NP> Its a popular card and lots of people are still running 12 on DOS,
>
> Jap, I guess so too. But it looks, that not so many know how to use it
> really... (ie. to install the correct drivers, use transparent commands,
> etc...)
>
> Please email to me, only to remind me and to inform me about your
> email-address. I am also keen to get that problem figured out.
>
> Regards, Juha
>
> ***************************************************************
> Juha Sallinen / Email:js@mpoli.fi / Web:Http://www.mpoli.fi/~js
> Member of Finnish AutoCAD User Group / Http://www.mpoli.fi/~acy
>
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JUHA,
my name is Duane Campbell and I work for and engineering firm in Oklahoma
City and I have been running the matrox video card in my pent.166 and now
for some unknown reason autocad no longer recognizes the card. I have
tried reinstalling the video software and also autocad but to no avail.
Any suggestion that you have would be greatly appreciated.
zrhdinc@ionet.net c/o Duane Campbell
Subject: Re: 3D viewing problems
From: hopltd@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in (Nikhil Kaila)
Date: 13 Nov 1996 04:57:26 -0800
Stephen wrote:
>Using Acad R12, I can't get the view I need using the vpoint or dview
>commands. Every time I cross the X-Y plane, the drawing "reverses".
>What wound be nice would be a command that allowed the draftperson to
>use their left or right arrows to rotate the camera around the
>viewpoint, the up and down keys to raise or lower the camera, and the
>page up or page down keys to move the camera in or out. the immage would
>be constantly redisplayed so you could see what you were getting.
>Any help?
>nitecrawler
Hi Stephen,
You try to use DDVPOINT command to adjust the vpoint for viewing a
3D-Model. This command opens a Dialog Box in which you can set the
viewing angle from X-Axis and also in XY-Plane(That is raise or lower
the camera), very easily on Dials provided for these settings.
This quite similar way to what you have expressed in your question but
you have to use ZOOM command to view close or distance views as required.
You can also specify the Angle of Camera in XY-Plane and Angle from
XY-plane while using the DVIEW command to get the similar results and
set the Camera and Target position to get the required view.
Try this should help you in setting your View for 3D Model and if the
problem is still not solved write again for further help.
Nikhil Kaila
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