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I have loaded Archibus/FM 6.1 Release 2 which allows for use with both
R13 Windows and DOS.
The installation, after requesting to install Archibus for DOS and
Windows completes with no problems. The batch file, AbatR13.bat, is
modified to include all of the suggested SET statements asked by the
documentation. Upon loading Archibus, no error messages appear, either
in the DOS screen or in the command prompt area of the editor in the
final stages of loading.
Drawings load with no problems and nearly all commands function
properly, including most that utilize dialogue boxes. However there are
a few functions that rely upon .dcl files, such as DND (Data Number) and
DED (Data Edit), located in C:\AFM\ACAD that do not function properly
and produce the message at the command prompt: "cannot load TM000039..".
Sometimes files named Tma00039 etc. are left in the project directory
and when opened, reveal "include directives" to .dcl files required by
that command.
AutoCAD R13 was completely reinstalled with the same results. Likewise
Archibus/FM. R13 and Archibus was installed on a laptop to see if it was
a computer configuration problem...same result. The same problem occurs
within AutoCAD R13 for Windows as well. When switching back to Archibus
on R12, no problems occur at all. The laptop does not have R12
installed, so the problem is not a conflict between R12 and R13 on the
same machine. I tried adding every possible other PATH to AutoCAD or
Archibus directories in the .bat file with no luck.
Anybody have any ideas?
Dave Wallace
Halifax
dwallace@cycor.ca

I have a problem with a lisp routine I've written.
One of the dialogue boxes contains 25 rows of 4 edit boxes and the 
largest of the edit boxes can accept a string of 45 characters. If I 
use the dialogue everything works until I try to enter more than 30 
characters into the largest edit box. AutoCAD dramatically crashes 
with various error messages the most common of which is HEAP ERROR 
(when using R13 under W3.11) and STACK ERROR (under R12 DOS). I've 
scoured my code and can't find anything wrong, which leads me to 
think it is a memory problem. I've read the manual with regards to 
Memory Management and I believe I need to add nodes/segments to the 
heap.
Has any one encountered this problem and perhaps offer some advice.
Many thanks
Steve
Stephen_Tate@msn.com

Hi;
I have monitored the comp.cad.autocad news group off---and---on over the past 
several years.  Used AutoCAD Release 9, 10, 11, 12, and now R13.  Guess that 
I am loosing my perspective about what is a computer aided drafting support 
package application and real world economic benefit from it's use.
I almost---get---the---impression that CAD applications are controlling what 
at one time was the skill required by people in system engineering and detail 
design.
From my perspective; I will never support purchase of another AutoCAD drafting 
support application......It appears that AutoCAD has decided to not maintain 
or update one PC drafting support application product offering for real world 
mechnical drawing support -v-  A bunch of special versions for special prices 
that aid someone doing somthing to cause value added product results that are 
hopefully greater that the initial cost of the Autodesk software application.
I also believe that if some sort of "object" open system and standard is to be 
adopted in the world wide computer aided drafting support PC applications it 
should be "public domain" or "free ware."  Kind of like the document 
typesetting using worldwide, multilingual PC applications that operate on 
multiple hardware platforms various OS(s) such applications as TeX, LaTeX2e, 
and AMS-TeX.
With such a open system approach actual system development, design, and 
implementation design may benefit world-wide; without discussions about who 
can read or edit what design documents without purchase of some limited use 
expensive computer aided design(CAD) software package.
Would be interesting to see(a posting of economic benefits $$) what specific 
Auodesk application user(s) are getting with purchase/use Autodesk 
products.   Return on Investment(ROI) -v- Now offered Autodesk  multiple 
product PC drafting support products.
We see posted within this newsgroup pay---for---preformance related to CAD 
operators......From some of the dollar amouts listed ; it appears that the 
skill must be in the software that some unskille operator is working with.
I believe this can be the start of a interesting discussion.  
Kind---of---like: "Real world value added system development with aid of 
computer  assisted drafting packages.  Who does it, what worker skill, and 
what benefits back to/returned to providing and customer organizations?"
I am open to the real---world realities; with my limited view I may have 
overlooked somthing really important related to a PC drafting support  tool.
Feel free to correct my perception of where the CAD/CAM PC application 
industry is headed.
Thanks,
Have a good day,
John Sherman
internet: sherman@wolfenet.com
Tacoma,  WA  USA
"The right information to the right people, at the right time,  may prevent 
the wrong results by the right people." 

lwehnes@onr.com writes:
> In article <32902E26.2323@marketingsystems.de>, Joerg Stoepel  says:
> >There seem to be some out there using AutoCAD on Inix Systems. Is there
> >anybody who knows of AutoCAD running under Linux ? Maybe with the ibcs
> >emulator ?
> >
> I'd be interested in a response to this also.
Hello Friends,
finally I got an official letter from autodesk, stating (though in
other words) that they are too stupid to continue developpement for
any operating system but microsoft windows.
Guess what that means with regards to your question.
Next step will probably be a complete buyout by microsoft.
The competition was seen singing and dancing on the table.
Anyone likes to make me an offer for converting my custom autolisp
and ads applications to any other decent cad system?
-Georg
-- 
Georg Mischler  --  daylight&simulations;  --  mailto: gm@hl-technik.de
HL-Technik  AG  --  consulting engineers  --  http://www.hl-technik.de

Does anyone know if Autodesk is developing internet tools that will
allow their WorkCenter drawing management system to publish drawings to
the internet?
Scenario is the user would enter data into an HTML form, it would be
"passed" to WorkCenter as search criteria, and the resulting drawing or
list of drawings would be returned to the user via HTML.  The user would
then click on the drawing identifier and it would be downloaded and
viewed by any AutoCAD viewing application located on the client PC or
within the browser itself using the new DWF format.
Seems pretty simple and would be extremely valuable.
Geoff Payne
Eli Lilly and Company
Engineering and Maintenance Systems

Hi,
I appologize if this is a newbie question, but I can't help my
ignorance.  I just installed R12 for DOS and I'm trying to figure out
how to configure my Hewlett Packard Deskjet 855C to work with it.  In
the plotter configuration menu it offers a list of choices, but none are
this printer, which is my windows system printer.  I know this must be
an obvious one, but I don't know what to do. 
Thanks for any help,
Colin

Martin Beland wrote:
> 
> I am using R13 and I'm trying to convert a viewport of a 3d solid object
> into a 2d drawing but nothing seems to do it..  I'm also having problems
> with dimensionning solids in R13, it's a mess, it's very hard and in some
> cases it's seems impossible to get exactly what I want. Any word of advice?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
regarding the 3D-2D conversion:
it's too bad that you don't specify your nothing,
but i understand that you want to create some dimensioned 
sections and elevations of a 3D solid object
* the most easy way is to use the SOLPROF command, you got to have
a modelspace vport in paperspace which displays e.g. an elevation
after the solprof command you got 2 layers. One containing the lines
that are hidden (something like PH-106) and one containing the 
visible parts something like PV-106). With an orthogonal view you get
in fact a projection of your model onto a 2D surface, you can explode
the block solprof created and you end up with lines and arcs. With a
perspective view you'll get a strange cut 3D wire model. In the help
file it is called a profile image.
* you can plot the view to a .DXB file which you can DXBIN back 
into your drawing. It becomes a very small line drawing at the origin.
The tricky part is the scaling back (dimensioning purposes).
I usually place a reference rectangle in the view, so i can scale it 
back with the scale-->reference option.  
The disadvantage of this method is that you get a lot of lines (it's
like a tracing) and that curved objects don't show very well.
* another method is to make a .plt file of your view and then import
it back using something like UNPLOT (Mountain Software) or use (in a 
windows environment) something like CorelDraw or another conversion tool
to convert the .plt to a dxf and import that file.
The advantage is that the file is vector based.
These methods can also be used to create 2D line drawings of perspective
views, so that you can enhance your line drawings with black fills.
regarding dimensioning 3D solids:
i suggest you take some sections, you get 2d regions which are
relatively easy to dimension or you can use the solprof command as
explained above.
Hope this helps,
Marco Vlemmix

Bill Gilliss wrote:
> 
> Pranil Vadgama wrote:
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > I would like to know if AutoCAD R13 has dual screen support (as in
> > MicroStation V5). If not, is there any way to achieve this? Any help
> > regarding this matter would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Pranil Vadgama.
> 
Lately I have configured several stations with dual screens.  The
stations were Pentiums 166 with 2 matrox millenium boards in Windows NT
3.51.  The results were amazing to have 2 autocad sessions running on
the same station in different screens!  The thing is that if u compare
Autocad with microstation, Microstation is designed to have multiple
windows on multiple screen that would display the same drawing but with
different views and with Autocad, you could not open the same drawing
twice since you opened 2 sessions.
I hope this clears this dual Screen Thing for you

chris mortimer wrote:
> 
> Is it possible to have more than one drawing open at a time with autoCAD
> r13c4. So you can switch between the two?
> Cheers Chris.M.
You can open two or more Autocad`s, depending on the amout of RAM in your machine, and open
different drawings every one of them.
Helge Mjoes

Loeb  wrote:
>I recently upgraded from NT 3.51 to NT 4.0 and because of my hardware
>lock was force to upgrade from R13C3 to R13C4 (and since have upgraded
>to C4A).
>
>Problem: When I try to invoke the built in render command, I get the
>following:
>
>        Command: _render
>        Initializing...
>        Unable to execute "render".
>        ARXLOAD failed.*Cancel*
>
>3DSOUT also no longer works.
>
>All was working before upgrading.  Any ideas?
>
>Please send mail to...
>
>Thank You, Loeb
>loeb@microtech.com
>
Do a full install of your AutoCAD R13c4 as it is a full set. Before 
doing this delete the earlier installation (NEW install) .If you have 
done this method and still it does not work them delete the Render.cfg
file and reconfigure. Normally this problem is due to different versions
of the Render program mixup.
G.Rajesh
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//

Joe  wrote:
>Has anyone come across a database driver from Sybase for Autocad R13?
>I made some enquiries earlier in the year, and was told there has never
>been one (for any version of autocad !!). I find this hard to believe.
>The Sybase support people here don't return my calls so I guess the
>answer is still "no".
>
>--
>Joe Nappa                  *Lisa: "These talking dinosaurs are more real
>than *
>joe@archsci.arch.su.edu.au *       most real families on
>TV"                  *
>Dept. of Architec. Science *Bart: "It's like they saw our lives & put it
>right*
>Uni. of Sydney, AUSTRALIA  *       up on screen"  (from Fox's "The
>Simpsons") *
>
Joe,
You can find a detailed doc. at the Autodesk web site under the technical
doc section regarding connecting Ms SQL server with ASE in  R13 through
ODBC. Through this you can also connect SYBASE. You can find the doc at
http://www.autodesk.com
G.Rajesh
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//

heytk@aol.com wrote:
>What is your input on the amount of RAM required to run AutoCad (network
>version..Novel) through AMWorkflow on WIN95 Operating System with a couple
>additional apps in the background?? Drawing files tend to be 1-5 Meg, and
>would like to work with up to 10 viewports.
>
>We need more RAM, (currently 32Meg) but how much?
>
>Your feedback is greatly appreciated.
>
>(BUSINESS E-MAIL: TKUPCHO@CONVEYCO.COM)
>THANKS!
>
>
I would suggest first to have more free space in the local harddisk 
both to have swap files and room to save the files faster.
I hope you are talking about R13. In this case with many applications in
the background you can have a ideal of 32MB RAM in the node and 64MB RAM
in the server.
G.Rajesh
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//

jimf@protosys.com (Jim Fitzgerald)
Pieter Dhaenens  wrote:
>>Hello,
>>I encounterd the following problem in Acad 13 C4.
>>When I draw a solid i get a filled square with a specified color and in
>>plan  view i can print that solid out.
>>When I put the same square into iso or perspective view I lose the
>>filled color of the square, so i can't plot the solid out in perspective
>>view.
>>Anybody who has a solution to my problem,so i can print out filled
>>solids in 3D.
>Solid fills don't display in 3D. Polyline fills, solid fills, and
>probably even TrueType font fills aren't shown in "3D views".
>If you do a shade, you'll see them fill but then you can't plot it.
>You might consider not using the solid and instead use a closed
>polyline with a hatch pattern.
>-Jim Fitzgerald
Yes, Jim is right in saying that Solid Fills are not shown in 3D views,
if you try to view them in Iso or Perspective views they will not appear
as filled wth color or if you rotate them to make sides of 3D solid the
sides will not be filled .You can view them as filled ones using SHADE 
command but can not plot the same. 
Nikhil Kaila
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//

BOITEL Pierre-Marie  wrote:
>with the R13 a value density is equal 1
>with the  command "massprop" the mass and volume is equal
>it is possible to change this value?
>--
>cordialement
--------------------------------------------------------------------
>BOITEL Pierre-Marie
>Professeur Agrege de Genie Mecanique
>Responsable :
> - de l'option ETUDES ET CONCEPTION de la section GENIE MECANIQUE
> - des Ateliers de l'ingenierie 2GM
--------------------------------------------------------------------
This is possible with AMD and you can use Autodesk Material Spec
also along with it.
Nikhil Kaila
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//

Jeff Liu  wrote:
>Hello bodies:
>
>    My friend wana install ACAD R13, his system has:
>
>   1. CPU: 80486-60MHZ
>  2. RAM: 4 MB
>    3. HDD: 540 MB
>
>    Anybody knows whether this is sufficient to run ACAD R13 ?
>    Or he could use a older version and what version is !
>
>    Thanks advanced!
>    - Jeff Liu 11/20
Hi Jeff,
Inorder to run AutoCAD R13 in DOS one should have 16MB of RAM in his
machine and for Windows it is  32MB of RAM is preferred depending
upon the drawing size.
Nikhil Kaila
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//

G Rajesh wrote:
> 
> trostk@bellevue.k12.wa.us (Kathy Trost) wrote:
> 
> >It is time to upgrade to a new machine, as My 486 is just not cutting it
> >here anymore. Drawing sizes are slowly creeping up in size. We don't
> >require any 3-D so it need not be at the cutting edge. Here is my specs
> >so far. Please feel free to comment...
> >
> >pentium 166
> >32 or 64 megs Ram
> >2 Gig+ hard drive
> >Matrox Millennium 2mb
> >8X CDrom
> >33.68 modem (I am sending this on a 2400 off a mac SE)
> >17" monitor (.26dp or .28 dp)
> >
> >Am I headed in the right direction or should I be looking for a dual
> >proccessor pentium pro and running window NT (a scary thought from my
> >prospective)
> >
> >TIA
> >     David L
> >
> >
> 
> Pretty good configuration.
> 
> G.Rajesh
> //Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//
Don't go for the cheapest 17" monitor on the market (Daytek for
instance). Try a Viewsonic or NEC.They are not that expensive and the
quality they offer (crisp picture,high refresh rates) is worth the extra
bucks.
Bogdan

Frank Keck wrote:
> 
> I´m looking for an C++-Library to solve 3D geometric problems
> like intersection of objects, neighbourhoods,...
> 
> Maybe there ist someone, who knows such an library.
> 
> Thanks,
> Frank Keck
Hi,
The AcGe library that comes with the ARX SDK 1.1 is useful to do such
calculations. You can also use it stand alone (without AutoCAD),
although I'm not sure whether the licence would allow that.
You can download the ARX SDK for free from www.autodesk.com.
If you find a better library for free please let me know.
Cheers,
Albert

Hi Robert
> I read in an article that a emulator - PrintGL - was able to solve my
> problem. I tried it but couldn't make it work.
> Does anyone of you have any experiance of this issue? Is there
Well, what's wrong with Print-GL, I mean it is sometimes pretty
difficult
to install, but after that it "works like a buick".
What enviroment you are using? DOS, Windows, rel. 12, 13, ....
If you are using Windows, there might be better drivers to use as a
system
printer...
   Sincerely
   Juha
   *********************************************************
      Email:  js@mpoli.fi / Web:  Http://www.mpoli.fi/~js
   *********************************************************

"Thomas Garrisi"  wrote:
>At work we just installed R13c3 on WFW 3.11 machines hooked to a Novel LAN.
>We were using R12 DOS and by comparison it seems to take forever for the
>same drawing to clear the print process in the R13 version. About 1.5
>minutes compared to about 20 Sec. on a DOS machine. Any suggestions or do
>we just take more coffee breaks.
>We plan to upgrade to NT 4.0 for both server and workstations in the
>future. Will this help?
>By the way the comparison was done on two "Identical" machines P100 w/64
>meg ram. One with the Dos setup and one with the windows setup.
>
>Thanks in advance, please either post or E-mail to tgarrisi@netonecom.net
>
>
Dear Thomas - To help understand the comparison we need to know which ACAD 
plotter configurations were used for both Dos and Windows.  For example, 
Windows system printer drivers are generally slower than AutoCAD ADI 
configurations. So under Windows use ADI if at all possible. 
G.Rajesh
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//

Brian Costello  wrote:
>Ever since I upgraded from R12 running under SunOS 4.1.3 to R13
>under Solaris 2.3 (SunOS 5.3) my tablet is no longer recognized.
>I have both a SummaSketch Plus and a SummaSketch II. Neither work
>anymore. Anyone have any suggestions? The error I get is that the
>tablet is not responding. Please respond direct because I do not
>check news often. Thanks.
>
>--
>When I die, I want to go peacfully in my sleep like my grandfather,
>not screaming like the other passengers in his car. -Jack Handey
>
>Brian Costello                  brian@datatamers.com
>San Francisco Bay Area
>
>
First check that Tablet/Mouse Driver has been installed.  This driver must 
be loaded before any initial digitizer configuration can be performed.  
Please refer to the section "Tablet/Mouse Driver Installation" of Appendix 
B in the "AutoCAD Installation Guide for UNIX" for platform specific 
installation instructions of this driver. You have to remove any previous 
version of the R13cx Tablet/Mouse Driver or the R12 MoleMode Driver before 
installing the R13c4 Tablet/Mouse Driver.
Then, perform an initial TABLET CALIBRATION (CAL).  This step must be done 
before doing a TABLET CONFIGURATION (CFG). At the AutoCAD command prompt, 
enter TABLET and select the CAL option.  First, select the extreme 
lower-left hand corner of the active digitizer area and enter "0,0".  Next, 
select extreme upper-right hand corner of the active digitizer area, enter 
"11,11" or "12, 12", depending on the digitizer's actual active area size.  
It's not essential to select these points at the exact active limit, 
slightly inside the active area will work.  For more information about the 
CALIBRATION (CAL) and CONFIGURATION (CFG) option, please refer to TABLET 
command, in the "AutoCAD Command Reference" manual.
After completing this initial TABLET CALIBRATION,  use the TABLET CFG 
option to setup the appropriate tablet menu/screen pointing area layout.
G.Rajesh
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//

Graphic Computer Services Pty Ltd  wrote:
>Our company have developed products in both MicroStation and AutoCAD R12
>and R13 a bit in the past.  We have not touched AutoCAD for at least a
>year due to the difficulty in working with the initial versions of R13
>and because is was easier to work with MicroStation.
>
>Since then our developer status has lapsed we no longer receive any
>products from AutoDesk and are thus uninformed as the the
>latest state of the ARX development system and the associated
>libraries.  When we left it the ARX libraries simply contained
>the same functionallity as the ADS and AutoLISP systems, which
>was totally inadequate for our needs.  They had promised extended
>ARX libraries but they never arrived.
>
>Are they now avaliable and more importantly what depth do they go to?
>For example when MicroStation introduces new complex elements they
>provide functions to convert them to a series of simple
>elements that give the same representation as the complex element.
>
>We had huge problems trying to interpret the MTEXT entity.  Is there was
>some way to convert the MTEXT element to a BLOCK containing
>simple TEXT element?
>Or if the MTEXT is now handled as an object does the object contain
>facilities for extracting the display information?
>
>Basically we are converting the MTEXT into another format so we need
>to extract the positioning, size, style etc of each separate word or
>line in the MTEXT element.
>
>Regards,
>Stirling Hamersley.
>
>
The ARX SDK 1.1 (latest version) is available to everybody and can be 
dowmloaded for free from www.autodesk.com or from the acad forum on 
Compuserve. You can also order the printed manual from Autodesk.
ARX is a huge API (~250 classes and 3000 functions) that is much more 
powerful than ADS. As an example, please find below the AcDbMtext set of 
functions and the detail of the query functions.
I think and hope you will find what you need there.
AcDbMText Creation Function:
---------------------------
AcDbMText::AcDbMText
AcDbMText Query Functions:
-------------------------
AcDbMText::actualHeight
AcDbMText::actualWidth
AcDbMText::attachment
AcDbMText::contents
AcDbMText::direction
AcDbMText::flowDirection
AcDbMText::getBoundingPoints
AcDbMText::location
AcDbMText::normal
AcDbMText::rotation
AcDbMText::textHeight
AcDbMText::textStyle
AcDbMText::width
AcDbMText Editing Functions:
----------------------------
AcDbMText::correctSpelling
AcDbMText::edit
AcDbMText::explodeFragments
AcDbMText::setAttachment
AcDbMText::setContents
AcDbMText::setDirection
AcDbMText::setFlowDirection
AcDbMText::setLocation
AcDbMText::setNormal
AcDbMText::setRotation
AcDbMText::setTextHeight
AcDbMText::setTextStyle
AcDbMText::setWidth
AcDbMText Formatting Character Functions: 
----------------------------------------- AcDbMText::nonBreakSpace
AcDbMText::overlineOn
AcDbMText::overlineOff
AcDbMText::underlineOn
AcDbMText::underlineOff
AcDbMText::colorChange
AcDbMText::fontChange
AcDbMText::heightChange
AcDbMText::widthChange
AcDbMText::obliqueChange
AcDbMText::trackChange
AcDbMText::lineBreak
AcDbMText::paragraphBreak
AcDbMText::stackStart
AcDbMText::alignChange
AcDbMText::blockBegin
AcDbMText::blockEnd
Detail of AcDbMText Query Functions: ------------------------------------
AcDbMText::actualHeight
double actualHeight() const
Returns the overall height of the bounding rectangle that surrounds the 
formatted text.
AcDbMText::actualWidth
double actualWidth() const
Returns the overall width of the bounding rectangle that surrounds the 
formatted text.  Note that this value may be different from the value 
returned by width().
AcDbMText::attachment
AttachmentPoint attachment() const
Returns a value describing the attachment point for the MText object. The 
attachment point value determines how the text will be oriented around the 
insertion point of the MText object.  For example,  if the attachment point 
is AcDbMText ::kMiddleCenter,  then the text body will be displayed such 
that the insertion point appears at the geometric center of the text body.
The AttachmentPoint enumerated type has the following possible values:
AcDbMText::kTopLeft
AcDbMText::kTopCenter
AcDbMText::kTopRight
AcDbMText::kMiddleLeft
AcDbMText::kMiddleCenter
AcDbMText::kMiddleRight
AcDbMText::kBottomLeft
AcDbMText::kBottomCenter
AcDbMText::kBottomRight
AcDbMText::contents
char* contents() const
Returns a pointer to a dynamically allocated buffer containing a copy of 
the character contents of the MText object.  Formatting data used for word 
wrap calculations is removed before the string is copied. NOTE:  The 
calling application is responsible for the memory used by the returned 
string.  The string should be freed using the free() function when it is no 
longer needed.
AcDbMText::direction
AcGeVector3d direction() const
Returns an AcGeVector3d (in WCS) representing the X-axis ("horizontal") for 
the text.
This direction vector is used to determine the text flow direction.
AcDbMText::flowDirection
FlowDirection flowDirection() const
Returns the direction that the text string follows from it's start to it's 
finish.
Possible values for FlowDirection are:
AcDbMText::kLtoR        (Left to Right) AcDbMText::kRtoL        (Right to 
Left) AcDbMText::kTtoB        (Top to Bottom) AcDbMText::kBtoT        
(Bottom to Top)
AcDbMText::getBoundingPoints
void getBoundingPoints(AcGePoint3dArray& pts) const
pts     Returns an array of points (in WCS coords) defining bounding box of 
text as displayed on screen
Appends 4 points to the array as follows: [0] == top left corner of text 
area
[1] == top right corner of text area [2] == bottom left corner of text area 
[3] == bottom right corner of text area
All points are in WCS coordinates
AcDbMText::location
AcGePoint3d location() const
Returns an AcGePoint3d (in WCS coordinates) containing the insertion point 
of the MText object.
AcDbMText::normal
AcGeVector3d normal() const
Returns an AcGeVector3d (in WCS) containing the unit normal vector of the 
MText object.
Note:  It is possible for the MText 's text to lie in a plane that is not 
perpendicular to this normal (see the description of setNormal() for more 
information).
AcDbMText::rotation
double rotation() const
Returns the angle between the X-Axis of the ECS for the normal vector of 
the current AutoCAD editor's UCS and the projection of the MText object's 
direction vector onto the plane of the AutoCAD editor's current UCS.  The 
rotation value is in radians with positive angles as counterclockwise when 
looking down the UCS normal towards the UCS origin.
Note that the direction vector need not be orthogonal to the normal vector, 
although calling  'setRotation()' will create a direction vector that is 
orthogonal.  If the direction vector is non-orthogonal, 
'rotation()' will fail (returning 0.0).
AcDbMText::textHeight
double textHeight() const
Returns the nominal text height of the MText  object.  This value is the 
initial height used to display the object, but may be overridden by 
\Hvalue; inline sequences.
AcDbMText::textStyle
AcDbObjectId textStyle() const
Returns the objectId of the textstyle currently referenced by the MText 
object.
AcDbMText::width
double width() const
Returns the maximum width setting used by the MText object for word wrap 
formatting. It is possible that none of the lines resulting from word wrap 
formatting will reach this width value.  Words which exceed this width 
value will not be broken, but will extend beyond the given width.  The 
AcDbMText::actualWidth() member function returns the actual width of the 
text, regardless of the maximum width setting.
If the return value is 0.0 then word wrap is currently disabled.
G.Rajesh
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//

Yias Thoj  wrote:
>Our company just upgrade our systems from DOS and windows 3.1 to Windows
>95.  We have AutoCAD release 12c4 for DOS/Windows and a Calcomp
>Pacesetter (plotter).  Previously, we set the plotter as Calcomp
>Penplotter, Pacesetter 2024 and worked fine.  Since we've upgraded, we
>can't plot correctly from Windows 95 with either the 2024 or 2036 plotter
>drivers.  Our systems were also upgraded from 486's to Pentium 150+.
>
>The problem:  AutoCAD will plot drawings but will clipped any drawing send
>to the plotter.  A portion of the latest drawn object was simply truncated
>out of every size drawing sent to the plotter.  We have tried several
>supposedly new Calcomp drivers without success.
>
>Any help is greatly appreciated.  Please reply by email.  Thanks.
>
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>
>
As it sounds like the transfer of data to the plotter is getting cut off 
before the end of file, it could be an incompatibility between the older 
version of AutoCAD, Release 12 for Windows, and the new operating system 
you are using, Win95.  A workaround to try is the use of the AutoCAD 
Autospool feature.  Instead of having to maintain communication directly 
with the plotter throughout the plot job, what will happen is AutoCAD will 
plot to a file, and then run a process you specify (such as a DOS batch 
file). The batch file will use DOS to copy the plot file to the plotter. 
You have to do some setup, and the plotter, serial cable, and AutoCAD 
plotter configuration need to be set for hardware handshake (null modem) 
communication.  There is a technical document in the support area of 
http://www.autodesk.com that walks through Autospool setup, if you need 
help.
G.Rajesh
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//

Wayne Gordon  wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>   Been lurking here for a couple days doing a little research
>about a potential career change. I've been doing HVAC field work for
>7 years and was recently laid off. I'm considering applying my
>field knowledge and combining it with getting some education about
>CAD to perhaps work for an Engineering firm doing MEP drawings, etc.
>eventually.
>
>My questions are these:
>
>   1. How do I learn autocad well enough to land a job? Trade school?
>   2. What's this "lisp" I've been reading about? Is it the same as
>      the List Programming artificial intelligence language?
>   3. Is there a FAQ for the group that someone could point me to
>      via FTP etc.?
>   4. I have done some programming (Pascal, C, a little assembly)
>      and know how to use a basic 3d modeler for raytracing with
>      POV-ray. How long might it take for me to get up to speed and
>      be competent/employable as an autocad guy?
>
>Any help would be most sincerely and humbly appreciated.
>
>
Wayne,
1. I would suggest you to take a full time course offered in a nearby
Autodesk Training Centre.Look at the Autodesk web site for the nearest
place at 
http://www.autodesk.com
They normally offer courses depending upon the field level experience on
computers like full time and part time and some crash level courses.
They are the best ones to give training. They normally have a Placement 
centres and you will be picked up easily with your HVAC expertise and CAD
knowledge you gain with this interest.
2. AutoLISP is one of the Programming Interface provided with AutoCAD 
to increase the productivity by writing some general utilities to 
complex applications say in your HVAC line.
3. I have seen such FAQ's at Cadence web site and many other related
sites.Many universities have such one FAQ on this group.
4. I think 3D will be very easy for you to learn.However I have seen 
mostly people learn 2D first in AutoCAD and then goto 3D. 
Contact your nearest Autodesk Training Centre to help your career.
BEST OF LUCK.
G.Rajesh
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//

Chris Maass  wrote:
>You have experienced the common phenomenon of over-buying a product.
>I've been servicing photocopiers for the past 18 years and I run across
>your problem often.  Laser printers, and copiers, are designed for a
>certain minimum monthly page, or copy, volumes.  These minimums ensure
>that parts, such as rubber rollers, reach the end of their service life
>before they get old and rot.
>
>The yields for consumable supplies, i.e. toner, drum, fuser rollers, oil
>pads, developer, and imaging unit, are specified as number of pages
>(copies) OR time.  As long as you stay above the minimum volume, you can
>expect to meet or exceed the recommended page (copy) yield for
>consumable supplies.  If you are below the minimum volume, then time
>becomes a critical factor.  The organic photoconductive (OPC) material
>decays at a constant rate - recall radioactive decay - regardless of
>use.  Oil pads and fuser rollers dry out in 18 months.  Photoconductive
>drums that are coated with selenium typically last for one year before
>they start to crystalize and oxidize.
>
>So, your four-year-old, hardly used printer, will need more work and
>parts replaced than a four-year-old printer that has been spitting out
>1600 pages per month.
>
>Without seeing your machine, based on my experience, your machine has
>been giving you some additional problems.
>
>The paper feed rollers have hardened and have been misfeeding and jaming
>for a while.  They will need to be replaced.  The grease in the
>spring-wrap paper feed clutches has dried and the clutches will probably
>need to be replaced.
>
>The corona wires have oxidized and most likely also have burned spots on
>them causing dark and light streaks down the pages.  The wires will need
>to be replaced.
>
>The teflon coating on the upper fuser is most likely worn off due to the
>abrasive nature of the toner stuck to the dried out silicone oil wick on
>top of the upper roller.  The silicone oil in the rubber lower fuser
>roller dried out 3 years ago and the roller itself has become
>"dog-boned" (fatter at the ends and skinny in the middle).  This will
>give you marks and staining on the back side of the pages as well as
>some wrinkled pages.  Your fuser unit needs to be rebuilt.
>
>As you can see, at your low volume, it's going to need more than a new
>drum unit.
>
>BTW, Epson is right.  How are they at fault if they sold you a perfectly
>good piece of equipment that you chose not to use?
>
>I'll give you twenty bucks for it.
>
>Chris
>
>ben crane wrote:
>>
>> My Epson Action Laser is on its fourth ream of paper and the drum unit
>> is shot.  A new replacement (my only option) costs from $180 to $240
>> depending on who I call.  It's warranted for 30,000 copies or 18 months.
>> The printer is almost four years old.
>>
>> I called Espon America customer support and suggested a drum unit should
>> last for more than 2,000 copies no matter how old it is.  I was told
>> that the drum is made of organic material and is only good for 18 months
>> OR 30,000 copies.  The lady told me the drum material is like tires,
>> whether you drive on them or not they still have a life cycle.
>>
>> What would anyone do if they bought a set of 60,000 mile tires and after
>> 4,000 miles the rubber fell off, regardless of age?  Assume of course
>> they are properly maintained, driven once in a while, and kept in a
>> heated garage when not in use.
>>
>> Epson stood by their policy.  There was no acknowledgment of a faulty
>> product, no offer of a discounted replacement drum.  In fact I was told
>> I was lucky to get four years out of the thing, even though the power
>> was off the majority of the time.
>>
>> So, beware of Epson products.  Think before you buy.  I am cutting my
>> losses and have already bought a bright shiny new Hewlett Packard.  I
>> will NEVER BUY ESPON again!!!!
>>
>> P.S. Espon reps if you're out there -
>>  As CAD Manager for an Engineering department, I'm responsible for
>> speccing out engineering computer tools.  Guess who's not on my short
>> list...
>>
>> For Sale:
>>   Action Laser II
>>   Extra memory upgrade
>>   Hardly used, less than 2,000 copies
>>   Environmently friendly, uses organic parts
>>   needs new drum unit
>>   Make offer
>>
>> Ben Crane
>> CAD Manager, A-dec, Newberg Oregon
>
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>
>
Chris,
Hats off to your experience in giving a detailed problems that used to
occur in the plotters.
G.Rajesh
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//

Clay Zahrobsky  wrote:
>Does anyone know of a HPGL to DXF conversion utility? VMS, DOS or
>Windows based?
>
>TIA,
>Clay Zahrobsky
>Project Engineer
>Cutler-Hammer
>Pittsburgh, PA
Try at the following web site
http://www.vmedia.com/vvc/onlcomp/autocad/software.htm
and the hpglprl.zip file. I think this is what you are looking for.
Apart from this you can also find many such programs in other Autocad
related web sites
http://www.buildingweb.com/cadsyst
http://www.cadalog.com
etc.,
G.Rajesh
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//

Ryan Oliver Emge  wrote:
>To whom this may concern:
>
> I'm having a lot of trouble running Autocad release 12 c4 for windows
>3.1 on Windows 95. Is there a patch I'm not aware of?
>
>  The problem is that I'm able to run Autocad in windows 95 fine.
>However, when I attempt to open a *.dwg drawing it does not work.
>
> If there is any way you can help me, I'd appreciate it. Thank you.
>
> Regards, Ryan Oliver Emge
>
> crkemge@valinet.com
>
>
Ryan,
For me it works fine. Can you specify exactly the error message.
G.Rajesh
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//

greg hays  wrote:
>I'm using Rel.13 C4 and a win95 platform. When I send a plot I get a handshake error.
>I'm going to com1 with a 9600 baud rate and parity=none and handshake=xoff/xon.
>
>I can send small plots but when I try a large one I get a handshake error. Normally
>I shell out and copy a plot file to com1 but I thought I would try to send it directley.
>
>I'm using a HP 650 plotter and I'm not on a file server or network. Just a direct cable to
>the plotter.
>
>Any ideas ?
>
It looks like that the CPU tries continues to send the information to
the plotter and the plotter sends back a message that the buffer has
overflowed and there is no room for memory.Try increasing the memory of
the plotter as you say that it plots small ones fine.
Also check whether the cabling is proper and is as given in the manual.
Sometimes it can also be due to bad ports in the systems too.
G.Rajesh
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//

cwuellner@aol.com wrote:
>we are adding a linked object into autocad from corel wordperfect 7.0 but
>when we print to the encad printer plotter the vectored enities plot fine
>but the raster image does not plot at all. what are we doing wrong
>
Use the SYSTEM PRINTER option as the pasted objects are OLE ones and not 
AutoCAD's.
G.Rajesh
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//

Pascal Trahan  wrote:
>I realy need some advice...
>
>When you past a bmp file into a autocad drawing, this file is always
>appearing on top of the drawing. Is it possible to draw over it??????
>
>Thanks...
>
>Scarpa
As they are OLE object it is not possible. But there are many third
party applications on this type of Raster editing and conversion which
allows you to paste the Raster images as background and then draw above it.
Contact your local Autodesk dealer for more info. on this or visit the 
Autodesk web site at the Registered developer site at
http://www.autodesk.com
G.Rajesh
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//

Steven Au  wrote:
>Rendering troubles failing ARXLOAD.
>Help!! I am not able to execute the render command in a C1 version of
>AutoCAD release 13. When I attempt to render, I receive this message:
>
>        Command: render
>
>        Initializing...
>        Unable to execute "render".
>        ARXLOAD failed.*Cancel*
>
>I have run the C1 patch that I received with the AutoCAD package and it
>still hasen't addressed the rendering problem. I am running AutoCAD
>under a Win 95 environment. My computer is a P166 with 32RAM and a 2.1
>hardrive. If you had any suggestions on how to solve this problem, I
>would be extremely grateful.My e-mail address is:
>                                        stevenau@uclink4.berkeley.edu
>
>Steven Au
Steven,
First I would suggest you to upgrade your AutoCAD R13 from c1 to the latest
c4 and then to c4a.
R13c4 is a full set and can be obtained from your dealer.Then you can
download the c4 to c4a patch from the Autodesk web site 
http://www.autodesk.com
This problem is normally due to different versions of the Render program.
R13c4 contains many new functionalities and is true Windows 95 compatible.
G.Rajesh
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//

"Jordi y Alfredo Arias"  wrote:
>Please could anybody send any information about freeware electrical
>libraries for ACAD 12
>
I have found one web site 
http://www.vmedia.com/vvc/onlcomp/autocad/software.htm
This has one electrical symbol files. Apart from this you can find many 
useful routines on AutoCAD. If you come across any other good site , 
please also let me know so that I can pass it on.
G.Rajesh
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//

Has anyone had any experience with this product?  We are going to be
running a test of it in the near future and any experience that others
have had would be welcomed.  
-- 
Paul Gover
Plover,WI
pgover@coredsc.com

Let me narrow that question down a bit.  I got the printer to print, but
if I select "yes" to color printing, it prints the black background of
the DOS screen.  If I select "no" to color printing, I get my drawing
item to print, but only in black.  How do I get colors?
Colin

Joe Luckey wrote:
> 
> Anyone have knowledge of a batch routine to convert *.sld files
> to *.bmps with max res and size
> If so, please inform and thanks for the info.
> 
> Joe Luckey
We can supply a custom program to do sld > bmp in batch mode.
$50 + $5 s&h;
Email us if interested.
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  RUN LISP - batch acad R13

  DIRECTORY TAMER - Simple EDM

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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 20:55:09 +0000, you wrote:
>Dear Ian
>
>I am most grateful for your reply.  You clearly have a better 
>knowledge of Autocad than I do.  
>
>I have already tried copying what I think are the font 
>definition files for 'City Blue Print' from LT2 to LT3.  No 
>joy.  However, I may not have copied the correct files.  The 
>ones I copied were:
>
>cibt.pfb
>cibt.pfm
>
>Are there any others that I should have also copied just to 
>see if this fix will work for City Blue Print?  If the fix had 
>worked, then I was going to replace all of the font definition 
>files.
>
>When I measure with a ruler the size of the text generated by 
>LT2 it doesn't quite match the attribute definition figures.  
>2mm high text seems to measure more like 1.5mm.  Width is also 
>affected.  In LT3 the measured size matches the defined size 
>much more closely.  Do you think that Autodesk considered this 
>to be a bug in LT2 and fixed it in LT3, thereby causing the 
>incompatibility?
>
My fault, I did not check to see that it was in fact a PFB file.
AutoCAD seems to have had a great deal of difficulty coming to terms
with PFB font files.  For some reason, they are consistently smaller
than the size they are supposed to be in R12 and LT1 and LT2.  For the
font in question, if you use a character height of say 1 mm, the
actual text will only be 0.8 mm.
After doing some further checking, it would now appear that someone
has decided to try and correct this, and now gone the other way.  The
text would now appear to be larger than it is meant to be in LT3 (and
probably R13 as well).
Long ago, I had some problems when an architect wanted me to do some
drawings, and insisted on the PFB fonts (they are not acceptable for
most drawing standards).  I had to come up with the following
conversions as he wanted the text to be a certain height.  The table I
worked out was as follows.
CIBT____.PFB	80%
COBT____.PFB	82.5%
EUR_____.PFB	67.5%
EURO____.PFB	67.5%
PAR_____.PFB	67.5%
ROM_____.PFB	67.5%
ROMB____.PFB	67.5%
ROMI____.PFB	67.5%
SAS_____.PFB	72.5%
SASB____.PFB	72.5%
SASBO___.PFB	72.5%
SASO____.PFB	72.5%
SUF_____.PFB	67.5%
TE______.PFB	67.5%
TEB_____.PFB	67.5%
TEL_____.PFB	67.5%
Ah well, it looks like I am going to have to the same thing all over
again for LT3, although I will only do so if I have to for another
client.
Something like this does not worry me, but for those who do use it, I
can see major problems.  You do a drawing for a client in R12 (or LT1
or LT2), send them the drawing, they plot it out using R13 and
question your parentage.
Autodesk should (must?) issue a fix for this, but you can then see the
dilemma they face.  What about those you have compensated for he new
factors in LT3 and R13?  The next time they access their drawings,
they will end up with much smaller text.
Makes you wonder what all the beta testing is about when things like
this slip through.
Regards,
Ian A. White, CPEng
waiwhite@zip.com.au
WAI Engineering
Sydney 2000
Australia

Hello everybody!
I am looking for a detailed discription of the STL-Format, both the
binary and the ascii type. Does anybody know where I can get one?
Many thanks
Joerg Schneider

Hi All,
     I've recently upgraded my graphics board from a Matrox Impression
2mg. to a Matrox Millennium 4mg, and I've discovered the MIllennium
has an annoying quirk.  It seems that about half the time, when I zoom
or pan, the display list dumps everything but polylines with a
thickness and solid entities, like arrowheads.  Basically, it won't
display the text, lines, arcs, etc., without a doing a full regen
first, manually.  
This little problem is quickly becomming counterproductive.
I'm using R12 Dos on a P133.
Has anyone else seen this?  Is there a setting I've missed somewhere?
Does anyone know of a workaround?
Thanks in advance for your input !!
Regards,
Michael McCormick
M.C.S.

I am using the Beta ActiveX Whip Control with Internet Explorer 3.0.
When I load a page with a DWF object, I am advised that my Whip Control
is outdated. I would like to update to the release 1 control.  ActiveX
controls are self installing - so installation requires no user
intervention for the mostpart. Upgrading is a different story however.  
Autodesk provides no instruction in this regard...
Any clues here?
Thanks in advance,
Greg Knight

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