Subject: Re: Titles in the Workplace (was Re: Drafting Software Survey)
From: "Gregory A. Covington"
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:15:52 -0600
Vernon W G (Bill) wrote:
> I'm surprised there's still work on the board, must be
> government work.
Not in the U. S. government. I work for the Tri-Service
CADD/GIS Technology Center, an entity of the Army, Navy, and Air
Force. We set CADD and GIS standards, compile details, evaluate
software, and provide some CADD and GIS training. I don't know
anyone in the Army, Navy, or Air Force who designs without CADD.
Gregory A. (Andy) Covington
P.S. Check out our website at http://mr2.wes.army.mil. Surf
around and you may find something that interests you -
especially in the Generic Details Library (this library is
fairly new but growing).
Subject: **SURVEY !! - Your Help Needed For Information Management Survey!
From: essommer@direct.ca (eric steven sommer)
Date: 22 Nov 1996 05:51:06 GMT
==================================================================
Survey on Computer-based Information Organization
and Retrieval Effectiveness
==================================================================
We need your help!
Internet users have an intrinsic interest in information management
issues. This survey is being conducted by Dr. Stuart Piddocke,
Eric Sommer, and Arne Hermann to determine Internet users' level(s)
of satisfaction with currently available approaches for organizing,
accessing, and sharing computer-based and network-based information
- including the information on the internet.
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applicable boxes. If you received this survey through a newsgroup
or discussion group, please be careful not to post your reply in the
newsgroup - simply e-mail it to us (or use the 'reply via EMAIL'
function in your newsreader).
1. Your hardware and software:
A) What kind of computer system(s) do you currently use?
(eg IBM 486):
B) What kind of operating system(s) do you currently use
(check all that apply)?
1) < > Windows 95
2) < > Windows 3.1
3) < > OS2
4) < > UNIX
5) < > Macintosh
6) < > MS-DOS
7) < > Other:
C) What kind of LAN network(s), if any, are you part of
(eg Novell)?
D) Are you part of a WAN or enterprise-wide network?
< > Yes < > No
E) What programs or software systems do you currently use to help
organize, access, and/or share information? (Example: Lotus
Notes, Microsoft Exchange, Lotus Magellan, Odesta, Html-based
INTRAnet):
F) What kind(s) of work do you do? (eg Insurance agent, data-entry
clerk, legal professional, book-keeper, computer programmer):
G) What do you use your computer(s) for (check all that apply):
1) < > Word Processing and general clerical
2) < > Project Management/Planning
3) < > Database use and/or advanced forms of information
management
4) < > Design applications such as CAD or electronics
5) < > Writing
6) < > Desk-top publishing and/or Graphic Design
7) < > Computer programming
8) < > Network based workgroup or computer-supported
co-operative work
9) < > Internet/World-Wide Web/E-mail
10)< > Other:
H) Do you use your computer for (check all that apply):
1) < > Work/Business or 'serious' personal projects
2) < > Education or school-related
3) < > Entertainment and/or personal such as letter writing
4) < > Other:
2. SURVEY QUESTIONS:
A. How frequently do you experience frustration or difficulty in
ORGANIZING information (for example, when the files of a project
are created by different software applications but are in
different directories or folders)?
1) < > Never
2) < > Rarely
3) < > Sometimes
4) < > Often
5) < > Very Often
B. How frequently do you experience frustration or difficulty LOCATING
information on YOUR computer (i.e. not being able to find a
particular file on YOUR hard-drive or archive media (eg floppy)
that you know is there someplace)?
1) < > Never
2) < > Rarely
3) < > Sometimes
4) < > Often
5. < > Very Often
2) If you do sometimes experience difficulty in finding information
on your computer, what do you think causes the difficulty?
3) If you know of any commercially available programs that you DO
NOT use but that you feel might enhance your ability to manage
and retrieve information, please note them:
C. Do you ever have difficulty finding information on your local
area network or enterprise-wide network (i.e. not being able to
determine where files relevant to your current tasks might be)?
1) < > Never
2) < > Rarely
3) < > Sometimes
4) < > Often
5) < > Very Often
2) If you do sometimes experience difficulty in finding informa-
tion on your local area network or enterprise-wide network,
what do you think causes the difficulty?:
D. If you look for information on OTHER people's computers, do you
have difficulty finding what you are looking for?
(Leave BLANK if not applicable)
1) < > Never
2) < > Rarely
3) < > Sometimes
4) < > Often
5) < > Very Often
E. If you were invited to suggest improvements to your present data-
organizing systems, what would you suggest?:
F. Do you want to receive a copy of the survey results?
< > Yes
< > No
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All the best,
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Eric Sommer.
Arne Hermann
Subject: Re: Personalization Disk Needed!
From: mjmackin@handling.com (Matt.)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:15:52 GMT
waiwhite@zip.com.au (Ian A. White) wrote:
>On 20 Nov 1996 02:58:49 GMT, "Andy and Lisa Bayley"
> wrote:
>> I personally purchased a copy of AutoCAD r13c4 for home. Recently the
>>people next door to me had a fire and I lost my personalization disk to
>>smoke damage. I still have the program but do not have the personalization
>>disk. I called Autodesk and they told me I would have to shell out the
>>thousands to buy a complete new copy of AutoCAD. This is ridiculous. If
>>anyone out there has a unused personalization disk they wouldn't mind me
>>using I would greatly appreciate it. You could e-mail it to me at
>>apb7476@acs.tamu.edu.
>> I also need to know if there is such a driver for the HP 7058B pen
>>plotter, in Windows 95 if possible. If you have any suggestions please
>>e-mail at apb7476@acs.tamu.edu.
>Someone is having a lend of you.
>Do you have the damaged disk?
>If your package is duly licensed, you should be able to make a sworn
>statement and that should be sufficient for Autodesk to supply you
>with a replacement. There will be a cost, however it should be
>nowhere near the cost of the full program.
To heck with that... if you have the disk, then go to your authorized
dealer and tell him you disk no-longer works. Its his responsibility
to get it exchanged with autodesk. Up here in canada, they will do
that for free.
You can't just get someone elses personization disk, as it won;t have
your serial number on it.
mjm
Subject: Re: Null function error with ddinsert
From: "Tony Tanzillo"
Date: 22 Nov 1996 17:47:08 GMT
The function below is called by R13c4 DDINSERT, but is not
included in the patch.
Add it to your ACAD.LSP file, or to DDINSERT.LSP
;--------------------------CUT HERE------------------------
;; Fix for call to missing function in
;; DDINSERT.LSP in R13c4a
(defun is_lead_byte (code / asia_cd)
(setq asia_cd (getvar "dwgcodepage"))
(or
(and (eq asia_cd "dos932")
(or (>= 159 code 129)
(>= 252 code 224)))
(and (eq asia_cd "big5")
(>= 254 code 161))
(and (eq asia_cd "johab")
(>= 211 code 132))
(and (eq asia_cd "ksc5601")
(>= 253 code 161))
)
)
;--------------------------CUT HERE-------------------------
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Chris Summers wrote in article
<3295D9CE.4124@cmtengr.com>...
> I have just updated my Autocad to c4a. Now when I go to insert files
> with DDINSERT, I get a null function error, and it kicks me out of the
> command. To get around this I have been dragging and dropping from my
> file manager. But I would like to get DDINSERT to work again. Any help
> would be greatly appreciated.
>
Subject: Land/Highway modeling help?
From: "Bradley E. Smith"
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 10:42:20 -0700
Does anybody out there have any experience with Land and/or Highway
modeling? I work for an architectural firm and we have a possible job
coming our way. If we get this, we will need to be able to do a simple
model of existing contours and new roadways. We would, more than likely,
be presenting this with a simple rendering and/or animation.
I am not terribly worried about the rendering/animation. However, we
don't have a lot of experience with the land/road modeling. We have done
them in the past (manually in AutoCAD), but this project, although not
super complicated, will be more than we probably want to tackle without
some specialized software.
If anyone can shed some advice, or give examples of good software to
purchase, it would be appreciated. We obviously don't need to buy a full
blown civil/surveying 3rd party app... and spend thousands of dollars.
Someone has probably run into this situation before... right? Thanks.
--
Brad
-- bsmith@ix.netcom.com
"Conform to Individuality" -- Me
Subject: Re: Upgrade from R12 to R13
From: Lu
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:39:02 -0800
SaskPower - GIS wrote:
>
> Hello all AutoCAD gurus...
>
> The company I work for is considering upgrading from our current AutoCAD
> Release 12 (DOS) to Release 13 (Windows). We have over 30+ licenses spread
> throughout the corporation.
>
> Please identify any pitfalls, problems, or any other troubles we should
> be considering when doing so. Our programmers are worrying about menu and
> lisp routine compatibility when upgrading and some others are concerned
> about any differences (if any) of DXF spit out of Release 13.
>
> I have been monitoring this group for some time and the feel for R13 is
> mixed as it has had its problems?!?
>
> I am thanking for all that reply and please help us down the upgrade path,
> as we do not want to boldly go where everyone has gone before. :-)
>
> Please e-mail me at: dkramer@saskpower.sk.ca
> or post to this group.
>
> Thanks...
> Dave Kramer
> GIS System Administrator
> SaskPower
> Regina, Saskatchewan, CANADA
Hi Dave,
Both the DOS and Windows versions have some excellent advandages.
Whether to go totally on way or the other depends on the type of work
your company dones. I would suggest upgrading 1 or 2
licenses to r13win for a test run. It would be worth it just for
documentation. To me, technical documentation is where the windows
version shines.
Cheers,
Lu
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Subject: Re: seperate drawings
From: Sudheer O
Date: 22 Nov 1996 01:47:20 -0800
In article <3294992E.6F35@york.ac.uk>, chris says...
>
>Is it possible to have more than one drawing open at a time with autoCAD
>r13c4. So you can switch between the two?
>Cheers Chris.M.
Hi
If you are using windows , then you can have more than one dwgs
opened simutaneously.Remember it is actually different AutoCAD
sessions with different dwgs opened and not a single AutoCAD with
more than one dwg.With a single session it is not possible to have
more than one dwg.Hope this helps,
Regards
Sudheer O
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Subject: Re: Upgrade from R12 to R13
From: "Tony Tanzillo"
Date: 22 Nov 1996 17:58:56 GMT
R13 Should not present too many problems for AutoLISP
programs (there are a few minor gocha's but nothing that
I would categorize as show-stopping). For menus, there's
significant changs from R12 DOS to R13 WIN, but menus
are backward-compatible.
In any event, you should consider the performance hit
with the hardware you've got. This is probably the one
most significant issue with R12->R13 migration.
I have clients who were doing adequately with R12DOS on
486/66's with 24 MB of RAM. Moving to R13 Win and Win95
required completely new hardware (Pentium 133's w/32 MB),
just to maintain the same degree of performance.
You'll find some very useful information on R13 menus and
related topics in our new book, Maximizing AutoCAD R13.
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/* Maximizing AutoLISP for AutoCAD R13 */
/* --------------------------------------------------- */
/* Contributing Author, CADENCE Magazine */
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SaskPower - GIS wrote in article
...
>
> Hello all AutoCAD gurus...
>
> The company I work for is considering upgrading from our current AutoCAD
> Release 12 (DOS) to Release 13 (Windows). We have over 30+ licenses
spread
> throughout the corporation.
>
> Please identify any pitfalls, problems, or any other troubles we should
> be considering when doing so. Our programmers are worrying about menu and
> lisp routine compatibility when upgrading and some others are concerned
> about any differences (if any) of DXF spit out of Release 13.
>
> I have been monitoring this group for some time and the feel for R13 is
> mixed as it has had its problems?!?
>
> I am thanking for all that reply and please help us down the upgrade
path,
> as we do not want to boldly go where everyone has gone before. :-)
>
> Please e-mail me at: dkramer@saskpower.sk.ca
> or post to this group.
>
> Thanks...
> Dave Kramer
> GIS System Administrator
> SaskPower
> Regina, Saskatchewan, CANADA
>
>
Subject: Re: Drafting Software Survey
From: moorehed@interlog.com (Chris Moorehead)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 20:43:06 GMT
Gary Lynn Kerr wrote:
>To whom ever wrote that the term draftsMEN was not correct. GET A LIFE!
>When the word men/man is used in a word it is generic and means mankind.
>And a female boss has a problem with it she has too much time on her
>hands. Also that same feMALE boss probably would not liked being
>referred to as feMALE/woMEN. As I said before GET A LIFE!
>On Sat, 9 Nov
>1996, Jim Weir wrote:
>> Peter shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:
>>
>> ->ATTENTION ALL ENGINEERS AND DRAFTSMEN:
>>
>> I'd suggest before you get out into the real world with a female boss that
>> you find another word for "draftsMEN".
>> >
When are you Yanks going to learn to spell, anyway? It's
DRAUGHTSMEN...
Of course, I like archaic titles. When I was the Plant Engineer &
Facilities Manager at a major automotive parts manufacturer, I used to
insist on being called the "Master Mechanic"...
chris
+--------------------------------------------------+
Christopher J. Moorehead
Professional Engineer & Pseudo-Nihilist
Toronto, Canada
moorehed@interlog.com
+-------------------------------------------------+
Mothers & fathers, grandmothers & fathers, great-grandmothers & fathers,
great-great grandmothers & fathers, you are responsible for more destruction
done to this planet in the last one hundred years than in all of mankind's
history combined. You've invented weapons capable of destroying every form
of wild animal & vegetation. I am not sure what condition the world we are
inheriting is really in. I just have a fear of smokestacks, & I don't trust
the men who feed their flames.
- Jane's Addiction
Subject: Re: Wintab Drivers
From: "David R. Rich"
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 12:29:38 -0500
Be careful...... Tech support Summagraphics (now Calcomp) acknowledged a
bug in their wintab driver which adversely effect performance. I would
stay away from all summa products inlcuding the drivers.
DRich@worldnet.att.net
Ian A. White wrote:
>
> On 21 Nov 1996 05:49:12 GMT, tasgeol@tassie.net.au (Rodney Wilson)
> wrote:
>
> >I am looking for a wintab driver for an OCE digitiser, The OCE web site
> >does not have any drivers for their digitisers and their support people
> >are less than helpfull.
> >
> >Does anyone have a suggestions on which driver(s) I should use, and
> >where on the net can I find them.
>
> So you are the other one ;-) My client was sold one of these.
> Unfortunately the pick button has just about had it, and no
> replacement is available.
>
> As far as a WinTab driver, the Summagraphics one should work fine.
>
> The Summagraphics site is at www.summagraphics.com
>
> Regards,
>
> Ian A. White, CPEng
> waiwhite@zip.com.au
> WAI Engineering
> Sydney 2000
> Australia
Subject: Re: complex linetypes/Mlines Arrrgh!
From: jimf@protosys.com (Jim Fitzgerald)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 19:09:38 GMT
jeeper@halcyon.com (Dennis Shinn) wrote:
>It goes much, much further than something as simple as a multiple line linesytle
>definition, Jim. We saw a demonstration, gheez I think it was a couple of years
>ago, how you could define something like a wall section as a line type or a
>running footing. I mean, what a powerful feature to be able to just draw a 3D
>representation of a wall section all the way around your building!
Well your talking application (architectural) specific stuff
then...and that starts getting into Object Oriented programming (lines
that know they are walls and behave accordingly...). I guess I was
talking generally about multiple parallel lines.
Doesn't the AutoArchitect software allow you create wall definitions
that include 3D info such as footing depths, etc... I played with it a
bit about 3-4 years ago and thought that was a pretty cool feature.
-Jim Fitzgerald
Subject: Re:why all the windows?
From: hopltd@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in (G Rajesh)
Date: 22 Nov 1996 04:59:27 -0800
peterson_rob@msn.com (Rob Peterson) wrote:
>In ACADLT for W95, when I click on a .dwg file in a directory window,
>ACADLT is indeed invoked but I must first do two things:
>
>1) minimize the directory window which for some reason is sitting in
>front of the ACAD window.
>
>2) I must "cancel" the startup wizzard. It thinks I'm opening a new
>drawing, I guess.
>
>Now, my document is loaded into ACADLT.
>
>In all other windows apps, when I click the appropriate extension
>document, the app is opened and there I am with the document loaded,
>etc. I'm wondering why I can't do the same thing in ACAD. I
>probably have something set up wrong. Can anyone give me a clue how
>to operate ACAD like other W95 applications?
>
>Thanks for any help, Rob
Edit the aclt.ini and in the "General" section add the line
NoStartUpDialog=1
This will prevent the Wizard dialogue from opening.
G.Rajesh
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//
Subject: Re:Read Only - New Twist?
From: hopltd@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in (G Rajesh)
Date: 22 Nov 1996 05:14:57 -0800
"Phil J. Glover" wrote:
>The "dwgwrite=1" method works fine for network volumes (NW3.x) where you
>actually have write access. However, If I open a drawing on a true
>"read only" directory and SAVEAS to a write(able) location, subsequent
>saves are not permitted even with the sys variable set to "1".
>
>Typically I will open a drawing from a read only release directory,
>perform some changes, and SAVEAS to my local drive. No problem. But If
>I continue to perform changes and try to save my drawing (locally with
>qsave) I get a write protect error. Jes . . .
>
>I’m running NT4.0 with NW3.x servers on a p133/32 with r13c4.
>
>
If the drawing contains attached xrefs which reside in read-only
directories, it may be possible that these are causing the error. If you
can track this down, please send in a bug report to Autodesk.
Another thing to check is disk space on the local drive.
G.Rajesh
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Subject: Re:Mechanical Desktop Q.
From: hopltd@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in (G Rajesh)
Date: 22 Nov 1996 05:16:58 -0800
mjmackin@handling.com (Matt.) wrote:
>HELP.
>
>I have uncovered some problems inside Mechanical Desktop, and am
>wondering if anyone has any sugestions on how to get around them.
>
>1. How do you save the drawing preferances??
>
>We use the ISO standards, but designer is preset to use ANSI. With
>every new drawing that I make. I must use the popup menu to change the
>drafting preferances. This is a pain to say the least. I don't know
>how or if you can set them using a LISP routine.
>
>2. How do you update a drawing after the fact if you forget to do
>problem one when you create the new drawing.
>
>I have a whole set of drawings that need to be updated. Assemblies
>are easy as you have the am_updatescene command. But the majority of
>these dawings are not assemblies, but individual parts. How do you
>force these drawings to update when you change the drafting
>preferances? Shouldn't Mechanical Desktop do an automatic update if
>you change the preferances??
>
>3. I have several assemblies that have external parts. These work
>fine. But I also have a general assembly that puts together these
>assemblies. The problem is that in the general assembly, I need to do
>a section to show how several parts are oriented when assembled. How
>do I assign unique hatch patterns for all the cut pieces?
>
>If I use the _ampaterndef command, it only shows the attached assembly
>idems, and not any of the componants that make up the assembly. Is
>this right, or can you get it to show the componants so you can assign
>them thier own unique hatch pattern?
>
>This is a great package, and once we can get past some of these small
>'bugs' that make the software more an adventure to work with than a
>tool, I will be smileing all the way to the bank.
>
>Thanks... Matt.
>
>
1. Set the options the way you desire them, along with any other
initial drawing settings you desire, and save the file. Specify this
file as the prototype when you use the new command. You can set the
default prototype drawing in the configure operating parameters -
initial drawing setup of the configuration menu. When the Desktop is
first started, use the new command with this prototype drawing to
store your settings.
2. The views automatically update when the model itself is modified.
To force drawing views to update in the Desktop 1.1, use
AMUPDATEDWGVIEW and specify the view. Otherwise you can use
AMUPDATEALL to update the model, and the vews will update when you
switch to drawing mode.
3. Currently you can only assign hatch patterns to external assemblies
as a whole. You can assign individual hatch patterns to components in
locally defined subassemblies. This is an important item for future
releases of the software.
G.Rajesh
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Subject: Re:best way to export for web
From: hopltd@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in (G Rajesh)
Date: 22 Nov 1996 05:23:38 -0800
Mike Richling wrote:
>I have a user with Autocad 13, he does floor plans for our building
>I would like to be able to put the plans up on our internal web site.
>The prospect of loading each users machine with the plugin, doesn't
>please me since most users will just want to view the basic plan.
>
>Not having looked at the software yet, would it seem best to export
>to gif? And if so, is it a convoluted process? I promise I will read
>the manual, looking through autodesk and this news group, it looks like
>saveimg is the command to use.
>
>Any suggests?
>
>Mike
>
>
Mike,
There is a distinct advantage of using the WHIP PLUGIN either with the
Netscape or the Internet Explorer as the DWF format can be zoomed and
Panned just like a drawing file and much much faster .Whereas with the
GIF you can't get this and the file size will be bigger than this.
Just visit the Autodesk web site and find interesting details on this
format at
http://www.autodesk.com
G.Rajesh
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//
Subject: Re: Lisp Guru's help needed!!
From: tschemer@ping.at (Andreas Tschemer)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 06:46:42 GMT
On 21 Nov 96 18:33:44 -0800, Stephen_Tate@msn.com (Stephen Tate)
wrote:
>I have a problem with a lisp routine I've written.
>
>One of the dialogue boxes contains 25 rows of 4 edit boxes and the
>largest of the edit boxes can accept a string of 45 characters. If I
>use the dialogue everything works until I try to enter more than 30
>characters into the largest edit box. AutoCAD dramatically crashes
>with various error messages the most common of which is HEAP ERROR
>(when using R13 under W3.11) and STACK ERROR (under R12 DOS). I've
>scoured my code and can't find anything wrong, which leads me to
>think it is a memory problem. I've read the manual with regards to
>Memory Management and I believe I need to add nodes/segments to the
>heap.
>
>Has any one encountered this problem and perhaps offer some advice.
>
>Many thanks
>
>Steve
>
>Stephen_Tate@msn.com
It seems, like you had crashed an undocumented limit with the PROTEUS,
which is in fact not a nice deal from autodesk.
But on the other hand, it seems not to be fulfilling any of the
GUI-Design--Guidelines, using an array with 100 Edit-Boxes. Try to
reorganize the Dialog, and perhaps you can organize them in groups,
and use cascaded dialogs, they work too!
!!! Let me think about the plain initialisation-routines, and how long
it would take to wait until the dialog is displayed completely!!!!
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