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I have a 486-66 with 20MB RAM, and Windows 3.11, I'm running R13c3, and I
was running the windows version just to mess around, then I double clicked
on the R13 icon and AutoCAD comes up and just when it looks like it
finished initializing, it goes away.  I mean no error message, no good
bye, no see you later... nothing, it just goes away.  My computer doesn't
crash or anything, it comes up and then quits, the moment AutoCAD compiles
all its necessary files it quits.  I don't remember changing anything that
may cause it to do this.  Does anyone know what I can do?
Thanks,
Adrian Laveaga
Nichols Research Corporation
Camarillo, CA

Possibly another simple question but how do you save dimension styles so 
that that you can use them in other drawings new and to modify?
Much help appreciated. I am haveing slow help from my supplier.
Regards Chris.M.

Clay Zahrobsky  wrote:
>Does anyone know of a HPGL to DXF conversion utility? VMS, DOS or
>Windows based?
>
>TIA,
>
>Clay Zahrobsky
>Project Engineer
>Cutler-Hammer
>Pittsburgh, PA
Hello Clay,
Our HP2DXF will translate your HPGL files to DXF format which you can load into
AutoCAD.
The program supports  HPGL commands as well as some HPGL2 commands. It has an
arc/circle recognition which will convert lines that form an arc/circle shape
into an arc or a circle in DXF. This feature is very useful and it reduces the
size of the output file.
Program is available on PC and UNIX .
Please check our web site for more information, and demo disk.
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Artwork Conversion Software, Inc.            Fax: 408 426-2824
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rurban@xarch.tu-graz.ac.at (Reini Urban) writes:
> Georg Mischler (gm@HL-Technik.de) wrote:
> : finally I got an official letter from autodesk, stating (though in
> : other words) that they are too stupid to continue developpement for
> : any operating system but microsoft windows.
> It certainly was not "too stupid"! But it would had cost too much effort to
> continue supporting other systems than win32. 
> (everybody's guessing his bits...
> good software should be written portable. -> win32 software cannot be good
> software? Though its C++ now. Strange. But I understand the decision.)
I can "understand" this decision also, but I still consider it stupid.
(and from the rest of your text I assume you do so also, in spite of
your first denial...)
Otherwise, do you consider bentley (and others) the stupid ones?
To me this boils down to the question: Does a company focus on the sucess
they had in the past, or on the success they will have in the future? 
> : Anyone likes to make me an offer for converting my custom autolisp
> : and ads applications to any other decent cad system?
> Why don't you start working with a real 3d cad system like ideas or catia?
> Things would be easier. Esp. for light simulations, though I recommend
> Lightscape there.
I haven't checked, but I expect those "real 3d cad systems" to be a
bit more expensive than the ones we usually discuss about here.
And then, I don't really need the features of a full mechanical design
package to justify every price tag... But maybe I'm wrong here and
someone may enlighten me. Please do!
Unfortunately we allready have another relatively obscure (though still
"decent") cad system in wide use in the company, and we rather tend to
move to a more standard one. How common are ideas or catia in the field
of building technology (Arch/HVAC/El.eng) ?
A side note about Lightscape: I know this is some good software. But
the radiosity approach to light simulation they use is only practical
for limited size projects. And yes: You notion about "small" and "big"
may be quite different from mine. There just is no alternative to
Radiance in that field, and Radiance requires UNIX to be useful.
-Georg
-- 
Georg Mischler  --  daylight&simulations;  --  mailto: gm@hl-technik.de
HL-Technik  AG  --  consulting engineers  --  http://www.hl-technik.de

On Sun, 24 Nov 1996 22:43:49 -0800, Jim Mieczkowski 
wrote:
>RNJ Higa, LPLS wrote:
>> 
>> After editing c:\acadwin\support\acad.mnu, then openning autocad, I get
>> the following message: "Unable to lock file c:\acadwin\support\acad.mnx
>> A temporary lock exists. File locked by multiple readers. at 0:00 on
>> 0/00/0.
>> 
>> The prompt line reads: error compliling menu c:\acadwin\support\acad.mnx
>> *Invalid*
>> 
>> WHY ISN'T THE ACAD.MNX FILE BEING LOADED ????
>
>
>This problem may occur if you edit the acad.mnu file with AutoCAD still 
>open.  The easiest way to eliminate the problem is to delete the acad.mnk 
>file in the support folder.  Then reload the menu by typing "menu" at the 
>command line.
This won't work, as when you have file locking turned on, AutoCAD
first tries to find the relevant lock file and if it finds it, it will
display its contents.  If it does not find a lock file, it then looks
for the relevant file.
The solution is to turn file locking OFF in the Preferences dialog.
But as you have a lock file already, you will have to manually delete
the lock files.  The extensions for lock files end in K, so a drawing
lock file is DWK, a font lock file is SXK, and a menu lock file is
MXK.  File locking in AutoCAD only prevents another AutoCAD session
from accesing the file, however even wile the files are being used,
you can simply go to a shell, or into File Manager/Explorer and delete
them.
Regards,
Ian A. White, CPEng
waiwhite@zip.com.au
WAI Engineering
Sydney 2000
Australia

On Sun, 24 Nov 1996 12:20:49 +1000, michael lesyszyn
 wrote:
>Please can anyone help with solutions to the following editing problems
>?
>
>1)  I use yellow text for my dimensions - the text edit command dialog
>box has a white background and I cannot find the variable that allows me
>to change it to something darker (yellow on white is very difficult to
>read).
If you are using the DOS version of R13, you need to change this in
your deiver configuration.  For the Windows version, it is in the
Preferences command dialog.
Regards,
Ian A. White, CPEng
waiwhite@zip.com.au
WAI Engineering
Sydney 2000
Australia

Stephen W. Lee wrote:
> 
> G Rajesh wrote:
> >
> > "Stephen W. Lee"   wrote:
> >
> > >Hi,
> > >I can not seem to get AutoCAD R13c4 installed under a _new_
> > >installation of WinNT 4.0 on a DEC Alpha.  The
> > >"InstallShield" (or whatever it is called) always stops at
> > >22% during its loading process.  My dealer said that this
> > >happens with WinNT 4.0 upgrades, but, according to Autodesk,
> > >should not happen on fresh WinNT 4.0 installs.  However, I
> > >have tried both, and I get the same error in each case.
> > >
> > >I was able to get the original version of R13c2b installed,
> > >but it has its own problems.
> > >
> > >Does anyone know how to get R13c4 installed on a DEC Alpha
> > >running WinNT 4.0?
> > >
> > >Thanks in advance for your help!
> > >--
> > >Steve Lee            -------            steve_lee@ycrdi.com
> > >Senior Mechanical Engineer
> > >Young Chang R+D Institute
> > >--Engineers of Kurzweil Music Systems/Young Chang Products--
> > >
> >
> > Steve - Just to be sure, you are installing the DEC Alpha version of
> > AutoCAD, correct? The Win/NT version wasn't designed to run a DEC Alpha
> > system.  Another thing to be sure of is that you're running setup from
> > the CDROM drive instead of from the floppy disk. Lastly, shut everything
> > else down and try again (Install Shield is picky).
> >
> > G.Rajesh
> > //Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//
> 
> Here is some more information.  This is the text from the error dialog
> box:
> 
> Setup Initialization Error
> 
> Setup is unable to decompress and copy all of the program files needed
> to proceed with the installation.  Contact you software vendor.
> 
> Error 112.
> 
> I hope this helps you to understand the problem.
> Thanks!
> --
> Steve Lee            -------            steve_lee@ycrdi.com
> Senior Mechanical Engineer
> Young Chang R+D Institute
> --Engineers of Kurzweil Music Systems/Young Chang Products--
In reviewing the Installshield documentation for this particular error
(112), this will occur when a) you do not have a TEMP environment
variable set or b) there is not enough disk space.
The AutoCAD installer uses Installshield which requires that there be
a minimum amount of disk space available to proceed with installation. 
It copies some temporary files to the directory pointed to by your
%TEMP% variable.  R13c4 needs roughly 3mb worth of initial disk space to
get started. 
Check your TEMP variable first.  If it is *not* set, create a scratch
directory on your local machine (ex C:\TEMP) and set the TEMP variable
by:  SET TEMP=C:\TEMP.
Dave Stroud
-- 
______________________________________________________________________
Dave Stroud                   Autodesk Inc.                     /\ 
david.stroud@autodesk.com     3350 Civic Center Dr..           //\\ 
415.507.8533                  San Rafael CA 94902             ///\\\ 
______________________________________________________________________

Glenn Thomas wrote:
> 
> I am 44. My electronics business of 10 years is failing.  I love CAD. As
> experts in the field, would you recommend  Autocad as a good career to
> pursue.
> 
> Thanks, in advance for your input.
> --
> Glenn Thomas
> glenn@wireman.com
> http://wireman.com
Hi Glenn. Sorry to hear about your business. I began as a hand drafter; 
got a 2 year degree in drafting design tech; worked for several years 
before I became the computer tech; and now spend 1 hour a week in Cad if 
I'm lucky.   It's been an excellent stepping stone for me, and with your 
expertice in electronics, you could probably do very well.
Bottom line, really, is if you love it, go for it.
-- 
JAS
mailto:jas@shocking.com
http://www.shocking.com/~jas

I've created a .dwf files for use with the WHIP Netscape plug-in. The
problem is that I can open them locally, but when I try to access the
.dwf file over the Internet the WHIP plugin won't launch.

help i am load auotcad13 dxf file into word processor to create tech 
manuals and the line are to thin. how do i change full dwg's (lines and 
circles) to have a thicker line?? pedit works on one line at a time and 
not circles.
mike

We use a simple set of standards (though I'm sure they're NOT industry 
standards). When using 256 colors (16 is not enough when your trying to 
keep track of 50 layers or more) we assign colors to thickness by the 
brightness of the color.  color 50 is the same width as color 120.  the 
last number is the key; and we assign thickness as follows:
xx0 = 1.0	Borders
xx1 = .50	Centerlines, etc
xx2 = .35	Edge of pavement, bold text
xx3 = .25	background, light text
xx4 = .18
xx5-9 = .13
this leaves us 5 pens that we assign to 1/2 tones in varying thickness:
255 = 1.0
254 = .50
253 = .35
252 = .25
251 = .18
The nice part of this system is that you can tell what will be bold by 
looking at the line (If it's bright; it's bold).
-- 
JAS
mailto:jas@shocking.com
http://www.shocking.com/~jas

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Call 516-676-8849  or E-mail
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Yes... I know it isn't autocad But I need to find the 3D version.  If
any one has a copy or knows where I can get a copy of Autodesks
Generic CAD -- 3D version please e-mail me. I need it for school.
Thanks,
Ben T. Eisemann

We are experiencing an error on one of our machines which reads:
"APPLICATION ERROR
 ACAD CAUSES A PAGE FAULT IN MODULE MACX.DRV AT 0004:2FC7"
I have looked at thta machine and found that it has over 1 Gig on its
harddrive, 16Mb of Ram and runs on a 133Mhrz computer.
Does anyone know what this message is means?  The error pops up without
regard tot he size of the drawing.
Coul you mail your answer to e:mail:  
coeselh@pwgsc.gc.ca
Thanks.

where i can find a shareware library .library of people,cars,tree,etc
thank .

i can final get clean plot in win95 except for one problem. plot sems to
always be cropped in one corner, that is about 10% of plot is off paper
without reguard to orentation or paper size except for 8.5x11.0.
i am using win95 hp plotter driver and acad system printer config in order
to plot in background. plotter works correctly using acad dtiver.
any help would be appreciated
thanks 
ed

I wanted to get some input as to what is the best file format to print
rendered images either from Autovision, Accurender, 3D Studio or
whatever... TIF, GIF, BMP, PCX, or other... which is the best?  And does
anyone know of a simple program that is good just for printing images?
Thanks,
Adrian Laveaga
Nichols Research Corporation
Camarillo, CA

HI
I could do with some help creating a 3D drawing, here's what i need to
know:-
I want to draw a bent tube similar to a car exhaust pipe, I have tried
several ways to do this but i have failed every time, the problem is
that the tube does not just bend in one plane, it bends in 2.I have
tried extruding a circle along a central 3D polyline and spline curve
fit, but it wont work, i have also tried using lines and fillets and
then creating a pline from them, but that dosn't work either.
Any Ideas????
I'm using AutoCAD R13 c4 Windows 95
thanks
Phil
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When using AutoCad 13 c4, I get a General Protection Fault Error every time
I try to select entities.  This happens when using the window select and
the 'all' select.  The message says that the error is in the module
'MACXW4.DRV'.  I have tried re-installing AutoCad and this doesn't help. 
Also, it does this with any drawing, but only on one computer (tried same
dwgs on different computers).  Please e-mail me ASAP with any help!
Thanks,
Rob
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===================================
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                Engineer-In-Training
             West Monroe, Louisiana
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there sems to be problem with autocad r12 for windows and some hp
plotters.
autodesk does not offer solutions
microsoft does not offer solutions
hewlett packard does not offer solutions
is there some help out there are we to contact the presidents/ceos of
these companys.
please send me your gripes and comments
Ed Hinton@aol.comm

Sam King wrote:
> 
> I have picked up bits & pieces about the job title for one who does drafting.  Some stand by the longtime
> term of draftsman, while others object.  In recent years, we have always called the drafters, which has
> drawn (no pun intended) no complaints, but what about some of the job titles in the surveying profession?
> Are rodmen & chainmen now rodders & chainer?  Are instrumentmen now instrumentors?  I have tried to use
> the term Surveyor's Assistant, but that is a catch all phrase, that really doesn't define the specific
> duties of the job, like the old titles do.  What do you think?
> --
> 
> Sam King
> rls2222@iland.net
Like I said before, rename the males of our species to something else,
(like, aah... 'zop', whatever) and change the meaning of 'man' and 'men'
to mean exactly the same thing as 'humans' and 'human'.  Then all the
existing terminlogy and centuries of literature about 'mankind' can stay
exactly the same and you won't have to worry about it anymore.  Simple
ehh?

I have a Cannon Bubble Jet printer (bj-600e)
Autocad 13 works fine with it when its set up (r-13) as windows system
printer. But i was wondering if there was a driver available for this
printer. Cannon does not have one. I tried loading the r-12 drivers
that cannon has on there BBS 
for release-12 and the 600e but not sure if im copying them to the
right sub-directory (r-13,drv) is what i used. Do you know of a driver
for this printer? Am I copying to the right Sub?

Stephen W. Lee wrote:
> 
> Timothy Burford wrote:
> >
> > G Rajesh wrote:
> > >
> > > "Stephen W. Lee"   wrote:
> > >
> > > >Hi,
> > > >I can not seem to get AutoCAD R13c4 installed under a _new_
> > > >installation of WinNT 4.0 on a DEC Alpha....
> >
> > > >Steve Lee            -------            steve_lee@ycrdi.com
> > > >Senior Mechanical Engineer
> > > >Young Chang R+D Institute
> > > >--Engineers of Kurzweil Music Systems/Young Chang Products--
> > > >
> > >
> > > Steve - Just to be sure, you are installing the DEC Alpha version of
> > > AutoCAD, correct? The Win/NT version wasn't designed to run a DEC Alpha
> > > system.  Another thing to be sure of is that you're running setup from
> > > the CDROM drive instead of from the floppy disk. Lastly, shut everything
> > > else down and try again (Install Shield is picky).
> > >
> > > G.Rajesh
> > > //Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//
> >
> > I have also had this problem and asked my dealer to look into it.  I
> > recently upgraded 5  DEC Alphas to NT 4.0.  On three machines I did an
> > upgrade with no effect to AutoCad R13.  But on 2 machines, I wiped out
> > the entire systems and did a full reinstall.  Autocad would not load,
> > showing the same errors Mr. Chang had.  Luckily (smartly), I
> > had just completed a tape backup of the systems and reloading Autocad
> > worked on one station.  The other system, I loaded NT3.51 fresh, loaded
> > Autocad fresh and then upgraded NT 4.0.  I do have FX!32 running, but it
> > did not seem to help the instalshield.
> > I hope Autocad will look into this on the Dec Alpha.
> >
> > Tim Burford
> 
> Tim,
> I also have a tape backup of my AutoCAD installation on WinNT 3.51.  How did you
> restore this to the WinNT 4.0 machine?  I tried this, too, but I could not figure
> out what files, other than those in the R13 directories, to restore.  For example,
> which files in the WINNT\SYSTEM32\ did you restore, etc.?
> 
> I REALLY do not want to reinstall WinNT 3.51, install AutoCAD R13c4, and then
> upgrade to WinNT 4.0 again, for many reasons.
> 
> Thanks for your help!
> --
> Steve Lee            -------            steve_lee@ycrdi.com
> Senior Mechanical Engineer
> Young Chang R+D Institute
> --Engineers of Kurzweil Music Systems/Young Chang Products--
Steve,
	I took Tim's advice and restored from tape.  Found that the only files
called for from WINNT\SYSTEM32\ were MFCANS32.DLL and MFCUIA32.DLL. 
R13C4 seems to be working; I've been using it all afternoon with no
problems.
-- 
Greg Bloom
Product Designer
Andis Company
gbloom@andisco.com

JAS - Global Village wrote:
> 
> Glenn Thomas wrote:
> >
> > I am 44. My electronics business of 10 years is failing.  I love CAD. As
> > experts in the field, would you recommend  Autocad as a good career to
> > pursue.
> >
> > Thanks, in advance for your input.
IMHO, Autocad is a tool that is used by engineers, designers and 
architects, etc to help them in their work.  When viewed from this 
perspective it sounds absurd to consider it as a career.  For example, 
you would never consider asking "Is a hammer a good career to pursue?"
There are plenty of contract and temporary positions available for 
competent drafters and designers who are knowledgeable in the use of 
Autocad.  Does bouncing from company to company sound inviting to you?  
If so, go for it.  If you're already competent with Autocad there is 
really no risk to try this out for a while.  Just call a couple of your 
local technical staffing agencies, and let them know you're available.
You also need to consider what type of work you might end up doing as a 
contract drafter.  You might end up making endless changes to redlined 
prints, or converting hand drawings to cad.  You may end of working at a 
company that has no organized standards as to how to draw.  Are you 
easily frustrated by things like this?
I know several people who started out working drafting contracts and were 
eventually offered permenant positions.  Many companies these days used 
contract techs as a try before you buy human resources department.
Bob May

I need the cannon drivers for Autocad r12 c1.  If anyone knows where to 
get them, pleas let me know.

Where can one find "People for People"?
Marc Goldman  wrote:
>Jose Manuel Araujo Lema wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I need simple 3D models of men, women, children and disabled people for
>> AutoCAD 12. Have you some blocks with them? Can you send them to me via an
>> e-mail attachement?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance
>> 
>> jmaraujo@upvnet.upv.es
>Jose,
>One source you should check is "People for People" a CD Library of a
>great variety of 3D models of people (M/F gender, race, wheelchair,
>walking, sitting, standing, clothed, etc)  I've used the files in
>AutoCAD and 3D Studio; they work great!!!
>Marc Goldman
>AEC Market Group
>Autodesk, Inc.

Options/Preferences/Colors
-- 
Robert Albert
Director of Technical Services
Microsol Resources Corporation
Authorized Autodesk AEC Systems Center
Paulus Vergeiner  wrote in article
<01bbdb34$58e0f220$0100007f@bluemchen>...
> Please Help!
> 
> How can I switch the background color in ACAD 13 from WHITE to BLACK???
> 
> Thanks
> paul
> 
> 

Please Help!
How can I switch the background color in ACAD 13 from WHITE to BLACK???
Thanks
paul

In article <57c5dm$e6e@lex.zippo.com>, hopltd@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in (G
Rajesh) writes:
>. So Ii feel this is a good business without
>much investment but with very good returns. The only thing you have to 
>do is to have good faculty . 
 I must agree.   Hundreds of people came to the last AutoCAD seminar
I tried to attend.  I couldn't get in.   
                               Regards,
                                               Cliff

Now I want to make a 3D modeling object to put in a 3D array....
In C language...
         int space[300][300][300];
I hope to let my 3D object modeling by CAD to " put " into this array, space[][]
in another word, I want to make this object "pixelize" in to a array
Can I get it by cad? 

Does AutoCAD Map work with external Access databases directly?  If so how.
Please send responses to sfurniss@peterborough .net
Thanks in advance.

Can anyone give me an idea as to where I can find some good mechanical CAD
standards (ie layer names) for drives, conveyors, shafts, bearings,etc? 
Are there any standards set up by ASME or ISO for this type of drafting?
Thanks for your cooperation.
				Regards,
				Thomas Hansen

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Does AutoCAD Map work with external Access databases directly?  If so how.
Please send responses to sfurniss@peterboro .net
Thanks in advance.

chris mortimer  wrote:
>Could anyone tell me what HPME-10 is please.
>regards Chris.M.
HP's ME-10 is a CAD drafting program developed and
sold by Hewlett Packard. It is a 2D drafting program-
It has its own database of course, but can import
and export DXF files.
The architecture is a bit different than AutoCAD's
and it is customizable with a macro language etc...
Quite popular in Germany but maybe 20-50 times less
licenses than AutoCAD. Runs primarily on HPUX workstations
but there is also a Windows version.
I believe that HP has a WEB site if you need more info -
search for mechanical design MDD division....
Regards,
Steve DiBartolomeo
IC and PCB Design Utilities
Santa Cruz, CA

We use R12 for windows on 486 DX2 66 Mhz, 16 Mb RAM
Now we will change to Win95 does someone have an advise for me about the
upgrade for AutoCad?
Thank's
-- 
*********************
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Email: ffreitas1@mail.telepac.pt
Home-Page:http://alfa.ist.utl.pt/~l33255

Jim DeWolf  wrote:
>I have a Pacific data Plotter which emulates a HPGL 7580,7585 I can set
>up the plotter in windows and it works fine.But when i try to use it in
>ACad it will not work?How do I setup this plotter in ACad LT?Is there a
>way to Test Page???
I have one of these, and it has worked perfectly for the last four
years.  Only recently has it been "retired" to being a standard
printer as I now have a DesignJet 350C, however it still plots the
occasional drawing from AutoCAD R12/WIN, LT2, and LT3.
Which version of LT are you using?  With LT1, you need the HP-GL
"Interim" patch.  This corrects the problem where all lines end up
being dashed.
With LT2 and LT3, you use the HP-GL driver built into LT, and choose
the appropriate model.
A bit more detail on how you are setting things up might help.
Regards,
Ian A. White, CPEng
waiwhite@zip.com.au
WAI Engineering
Sydney 2000
Australia

On Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:09:33 GMT, wmill@execpc.com wrote:
>On Sun, 24 Nov 1996 07:42:16 GMT, waiwhite@zip.com.au (Ian A. White)
>>It certainly can, probably will if it found out the name of the
>>company.  Just remember, it only takes one disgruntled employee or
>>ex-employee and the game is up.  Also, any contractors that come
>>through might be just a little put out seeing as they have had to pay
>>for their licenses.  The rewards being offered (in Australia at least)
>>make it quite worthwhile.
>>
>>
>
>There are rewards for this? Like bounties??
>Just curious, this whole topic is interesting.
>
>Tony
Yes, there are.  The BSAA (Business Software Alliance Australia) offer
a $ 2500 reward for turning in someone violating a member's license
terms.  Autodesk Australia is a member.
Regards,
Ian A. White, CPEng
waiwhite@zip.com.au
WAI Engineering
Sydney 2000
Australia

Robert Albert wrote:
> 
> Options/Preferences/Colors
> --
> 
> Robert Albert
> Director of Technical Services
> Microsol Resources Corporation
> Authorized Autodesk AEC Systems Center
> 
> Paulus Vergeiner  wrote in article
> <01bbdb34$58e0f220$0100007f@bluemchen>...
> > Please Help!
> >
> > How can I switch the background color in ACAD 13 from WHITE to BLACK???
> >
> > Thanks
> > paul
> >
> >
Paul:
To change the background color from white to black you select the
Options pull down menu, select Preferences, select the Color button, and
finally change the background color to black.
Greg Jenkins
gjenkins@uky.campus.mci.net

Bob May wrote:
> 
> you would never consider asking "Is a hammer a good career to pursue?"
> 
  that pretty much says it all!
  in most architectural/engineering firms drafters
are being phased out.  with the stiff competition
and small fees, firms have to do more with less
people.  young engineers and architects are hired
with knowledge of cad tools, so they can do design
and documentation at the same time.
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Victor Fung                    vicfung@i1.net
St. Louis, MO      http://www.i1.net/~vicfung