Subject: Re: R14
From: dyoung@mcwi.com (Darren Young)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:49:50 -0600
In article <32A30198.7F52@ix.netcom.com>, learly@ix.netcom.com says...
> Please Autodesk, don't read this! I guess they could search every file
> on all available drives to make attaching xref's easy for a novice but
> then *all* of us would have to suffer because a few people don't
> understand some basic principles.
Lu,
All I would request is that the Xref searching be changed back to the way
it was in r12 Win & DOS. If a path is specified, it should always pull
from there until repathed by the user. If it does not have a specific
path specified, than it should search for it as it currently does, in the
current directory and support directories.
What I'm concerned with is the stripping of the path information without
the users knowledge or action.
What I think Vladimir whoud like is that, if AutoCAD is smart enough to
find nested XREFs. If A.DWG is xrefed in B.DWG and B.DWG is then Xrefed
into another drawing in a different directory C.DWG, upon opening C.DWG,
AutoCAD should detect that B Xref contains A Xref and should look in the
same directory as B.DWF for that Xref unless the path is specificaly
stated. I'm not even going to go back and read what I just typed in the
even that I'll confuse myself.
Sincerely,
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Subject: Re: R14
From: dyoung@mcwi.com (Darren Young)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:51:02 -0600
In article <57voi9$rc8@sun630.bentley.com>, mike.mcsween@bentley.com
says...
> Yes this is true. In MicroStation 95 you can "EXCHANGEFILE
> " (the alternate keyin is "XD=). The existing
> views are maintained but your ability to write has been 'moved' to the
> designated file.
>
> Hope this helps,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No this doesn't help. We have AutoCAD.
Later,
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Subject: Re: SSGET = Wrong Results
From: dyoung@mcwi.com (Darren Young)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:53:46 -0600
In article <32A2F990.7A4B@ix.netcom.com>, learly@ix.netcom.com says...
> Another thought that occured to me is the OSMODE setting. I rarely use
> it, I use OSNAPS and the programs I write are based on OSMODE being 0.
Lu,
I appreciate the suggestion as this is easily overlooked but I've already
done that. Not sure if I stated that in the original message or not.
Some of the other things that I tried we changing the APERTURE and
PICKBOX variables to their smallest settings. I also set viewres to it's
highest setting which did help but did not eliminate the problem.
Thanx much,
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Subject: Re: Help!! print r13's drawing from r12...
From: Bogdan Radu
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 13:27:59 -0500
karn wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
> question. I just accidentally save my ACADr12's drawing in ACADr13.
> Unfortunately, my office has only r12!! so I cannot print my drawing.
> If I'd like to print it, I have to draw a new one, haven't I?
> Please answer me as soon as possible.
> Thank you very much.
> Karn.
Hi!
To solve your problem, open your drawing in R13, then use SAVEASR12
command to export it as a R12 dwg.
Regards,
Bogdan
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Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 18:23:15 GMT
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Subject: Re: Looking for a lisp program to do.......
From: dyoung@mcwi.com (Darren Young)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:24:32 -0600
In article <32A450A5.57BD@netonecom.net>, scnagel@netonecom.net says...
> I thought of a lisp program that would be very handy and a real time
> saver but don't know if one even is out there.
>
> I'm looking for one that once started it'll ask to pick objects that
> will turn off the layers. What would even be cool is to have this
> program ask you if you would like to have the layer (that was picked)
> frozen or just turned off.
>
Here's a quick and dirty program that will freeze the layer of a selected
object. You can easily modify it to turn off or lock the layer instead.
I would recomend haveing them as 2 seperate commands as the extra prompt
for Freeze/Off would not be as productive.
(defun c:lf ()
(princ "\nSelect object on layer you wish to freeze.")
(setq frz_lyr (cdr (assoc '8 (entget (car (entsel))))))
(command "layer" "f" frz_lyr "")
(princ)
);eof
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Subject: Re: Autolisp; block attributes
From: dyoung@mcwi.com (Darren Young)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:13:14 -0600
In article <19961120023500.VAA06670@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
longcable@aol.com says...
> How do you use autolisp to change block attributes? I am trying to write
> a program that updates the version number and date in a block. My only
> problem how do I get a hold of the attribute?
ME,
What point are you at in the program? Are you able to extract any
information about the block at all? I'm just trying to get an idea where
your LISP knowledge is so I don't spend a lot of time rehashing what you
do know.
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Subject: Re: »» Digitizer or Mouse for R13?
From: gslicker@lava.ivg.nl (Gary Slicker)
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 19:18:45 GMT
On Fri, 29 Nov 1996 21:20:33 GMT, indy1cache@iquest.net (John H.)
wrote:
>What pointer device is best for Autocad R13.... Digitizer or Mouse?
I have preferred the digitizer for a long time. But now I am using
Autocad r13c4 with Windows NT. Everything is on the screen (toolbars),
you don't need the digitizer. A mouse is much cheaper, more robust,
easier on the hand and wrist (remember RSI!), and you can keep your
eyes on the screen. No more digitizers for me!
Gary Slicker
Subject: Re: Looking for a lisp program to do.......
From: JoelJohns@gnn.com (Joel Johns)
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 15:26:21
In article Darren Young
wrote:
>Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:24:32 -0600
>From: dyoung@mcwi.com (Darren Young)
>Newsgroups: comp.cad.autocad
>Subject: Re: Looking for a lisp program to do.......
>
>In article <32A450A5.57BD@netonecom.net>, scnagel@netonecom.net says...
>> I thought of a lisp program that would be very handy and a real time
>> saver but don't know if one even is out there.
>>
>> I'm looking for one that once started it'll ask to pick objects that
>> will turn off the layers. What would even be cool is to have this
>> program ask you if you would like to have the layer (that was picked)
>> frozen or just turned off.
>>
>
>Here's a quick and dirty program that will freeze the layer of a selected
>object. You can easily modify it to turn off or lock the layer instead.
>I would recomend haveing them as 2 seperate commands as the extra prompt
>for Freeze/Off would not be as productive.
>
>
>(defun c:lf ()
> (princ "\nSelect object on layer you wish to freeze.")
> (setq frz_lyr (cdr (assoc '8 (entget (car (entsel))))))
> (command "layer" "f" frz_lyr "")
> (princ)
>);eof
>
>Sincerely,
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Here are two different routines I have written. The first is just a cleaned
up version of what Darren posted:
(defun c:LF (/ XA XB)
(setq XA (cdr (assoc 8 (entget (car
(entsel "\nPick entity for layer freeze: ")
)))))
(if (/= XA (getvar "clayer"))
(progn (command "layer" "freeze" XA "")
(prompt "Layer frozen: ")(eval XA))
(progn (setq XB (strcase (getstring
(strcat "\nReally want layer " XA
" (the current layer) frozen? "
)
)))
(if (= (ascii XB) 89)
(command "layer" "s" "0" "freeze" XA "")
)
)))
This second one lets you "pick freeze" on an x-ref layer of a regular drawing
layer. I should combine the two, but haven't got around to it yet.
(defun c:LFX (/ LAY PIK STR)
(setq PIK (nentsel "\nSelect an item on Layer to Freeze: "))
(setq LAY (assoc 8 (entget (car PIK))))
(setq STR (cdr LAY))
(command "layer" "F" STR "")
(prompt "\nLayer frozen: ")(eval STR)
)
Hope these are useful for someone.
Joel Johns
Gantt Huberman Architects
500 North Tryon Street
Charlotte, NC 28202
Subject: Re: HPME-10 ( is the best Mr. Tanzillo)
From: "Hans Heuver"
Date: 3 Dec 1996 20:01:41 GMT
Just trying to save the world !!!
Sorry but you chose for hell !
Hans
Tony Tanzillo wrote in article
<01bbdd79$a466c340$3d7174cf@pentiumpro>...
> What are you doing reading an AutoCAD newsgroup, asshole?
>
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> Hans Heuver wrote in article
> <01bbd8af$6cee17c0$655897c2@superspeedy>...
> > Mister Tony Tanzillo,
> >
> > According to your signature, you try to make Acad as clever as ME10.
> >
> > Please be clever stop making people use that miserable piece of shit.
> >
> > Be a real proffessional and use the best system ever HP ME 10 !!!!
> >
> > hoping to save you,
> >
> > Hans Heuver
> >
> > Tony Tanzillo wrote in article
> > <01bbd7ab$e84906a0$957174cf@pentiumpro>...
> >
> > > chris mortimer wrote in article
> > > <32943623.2244@york.ac.uk>...
> > > > Could anyone tell me what HPME-10 is please.
> > > > regards Chris.M.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Subject: Re: Can AutoLISP do this
From: waiwhite@zip.com.au (Ian A. White)
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 20:15:42 GMT
On Mon, 2 Dec 1996 05:20:52 -0500,
wrote:
>Ian - You're correct. SETENV is there in R12, but not R13
Another reason not to upgrade :-) I suppose it was another streaker's
excuse - "It seemed like a good idea at the time".
I wonder how it is determined that commands and functions be dropped?
If it is a case of "people not using them" then, depending on who was
asked, we could end up with no commands. For example I wonder how
many people use the Reference option in the Scale and Rotate commands?
No, I am not suggesting that they be dropped, as I do use them
extensively, and so do the people I teach. Maybe users need to submit
a list of the commands, options and functions we do use.
Getting back to (setenv), It seems to be an important enough command
in LT3, but not in R13. I can't see the logic.
It makes you wonder how these "changes" get through beta testing. It
happens everywhere though. The Australian Standard for technical
drawing changed the symbol for centreline. When I questioned them, no
one could tell me what the reason was behind the change. It
"happened". What is has done is cause many organisations a lot of
trouble as they re-define their fonts.
For what I use (setenv) for, I can get away with manually editing the
ACAD.INI file. I use it to store variable menu parameters for my
various clients. Each have different drawing sheet border sizes and
offsets, drawing sheet filenames and company stamps. By having this
information as variables in the INI file, I only need maintain a
single menu file. At one stage I did try and use SETENV in LT2 to
store a user input, however I found I had to complete the macro before
I could retrieve the variable, so gave that away.
Regards,
Ian A. White, CPEng
waiwhite@zip.com.au
WAI Engineering
Sydney 2000
Australia
Subject: Re: Can Anyone write me a LISP routine?????
From: waiwhite@zip.com.au (Ian A. White)
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 20:15:40 GMT
On Mon, 02 Dec 1996 22:13:47 GMT, phil@prallen.demon.co.uk (phil)
wrote:
>Hi
>
>Can some one help me out and write a lisp routine to do the following:
>
>I want to be able to copy and rotate an object in one go, I would like
>to select the object, select the rotation point and input the degrees
>to rotate it , but i want it to leave the original selection behind.
>
>I know you can use array to do this but its a pain
You may have seen some messages on this, but here goes.
There is a routine called MCR.LSP on the R12 Bonus disk which has two
commands. One is CR (Copy Rotate), and the other is MR (Move Rotate).
Regards,
Ian A. White, CPEng
waiwhite@zip.com.au
WAI Engineering
Sydney 2000
Australia
Subject: Re: R14
From: Lu
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 05:38:23 -0800
Darren,
I must admit, I don't use nested xref's. I use 2 computers, one running
dual drives and r13 win and the other has a single drive and r12. When I
load a r12 detail drawing in r13, I must run a program to reattach the
border xref. Before I do this, in r13, the text/block indicating the
missing xref appears just as it did in r12. I always attach files with
the full file path so I know ehere the file came from. It it possible
that the xref's were not attached using the full file spec in the first
place? I just tried creating a detail drawing with xrefed border in r13
and loading it in my r12 mach. My program workes just as well going the
other way.
Cheers,
Lu
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Subject: Re: AutoLISP Advice Needed
From: blw@onr.com (Bruce Wyche)
Date: 3 Dec 1996 22:53:25 GMT
In article <329D8D31.4763@maren.com>, "Kenneth A. Lloyd, Jr." says:
>
>Delfoe Trammell wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I am a Computer Science/Engineering major interested in learning AutoLISP.
>> I am looking for a good AutoLISP programming book to purchase. I have a strong
>> background in FORTRAN77 and C/C++ programming languages, so it shouldn't take me long to
>> learn AutoLISP code. I currently work as a drafter using AutoCAD R12 for Windows and
>> need to optimize my designs more efficiently. If anyone has any information or
>> suggestions where I could find a good AutoLISP book, please email me. Thanks.
>
>As a C/C++/MSVC programmer (long time) and one who has written several AutoLISP
>routines, my first book tutors were Customizing AutoCAD by New Riders Publications.
>Not necessarily sophisticated, but good perspectives.
>
>Warning: LISP stands for "Lost In Stupid Parenthesis".
>
>Going from the C framework to LISP is NOT elegant.
>--
>=========================================================================
>Kenneth A. Lloyd, Jr. EMail: lloydka@maren.com
Also try ESSENTIAL AUTOLISP my vendor suggested this...
Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=BB=BB?= Digitizer or Mouse for R13?
From: Lu
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 05:54:49 -0800
The real value of a graphics tablet is the buttons on the puck and
knowing how to use them. If a person really wants to be productive,
there is no better method with current practical technology.
Count the number of times you use; copy, move, erase, zoom window, zoom
previous, etc. Now, imagine how handy it would be to call these commands
without moving your eyes from the entity you are trying to modify.
Plain and simple, If Autodesk dropped tablet support, I would drop
AutoCAD like a hot frying pan. Actually I intent to continue using r12
until a better/cost_effective product comes on the market.
I am about 4 times more productive using r12 with my 16 button puck as
playing AutoCAD video games with a mouse. I created a pop0 menu that has
my puck commands on it. I trigger it with the right mouse button but it
still dosn't come close to actually using a puck. A mouse is for
freehand drawing and word processing, not designing.
Cheers,
Lu
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Subject: Re: MSVC++ 2.0
From: "Tony Tanzillo"
Date: 4 Dec 1996 00:38:06 GMT
You can't use MSVC++ 2.0 with R12, You Need MSVC++ 1.5x
(the Win16 version).
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this particular
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>
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Subject: W E W A N T Y O U R D R A W I N G S!
From: "Tony Tanzillo"
Date: 4 Dec 1996 00:48:03 GMT
****** W E W A N T Y O U R D R A W I N G S ******
Would you like to see one of your AutoCAD drawings appear in
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The author is in search of quality AutoCAD drawings for
use in various demonstrations and exercises for the book.
Categories include small mechnical parts and assemblies,
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If your drawing is included, you will be given credit in
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If you have a drawing that fits one of these categories,
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Subject: Re: Can Anyone write me a LISP routine?????
From: owenw@manusoft.com (Owen Wengerd)
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 96 21:40:13 GMT
In article <32a323b5.4644239@news.demon.co.uk>, phil@prallen.demon.co.uk wrote:
>
>I want to be able to copy and rotate an object in one go, I would like
>to select the object, select the rotation point and input the degrees
>to rotate it , but i want it to leave the original selection behind.
You can do this with grips fairly easily (using Rotate|Copy). You could
even make a menu macro to do it with just 2 clicks and an angle. :)
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