Newsgroup comp.cad.autocad 46324

Hi,
Is there an Autocad file viewer with redlining (markup) facility? 
This engineering drawing software is needed for 100 PCs.
Any suggestions are appreciated.
Seema

Dear sirs:
	I am running AutoCAD R13 on a Dell pentium.  The boot displays that
there are 32 stacks of something like 1200.  But on certain machines, (I
am in a University of Toledo computer lab) hiding causes a stack check
error.  Is there any way to avoid this?  I don't see how it could be a
problem of not enough stacks or them not being big enough.  If you have
any suggestions, I would love to hear them.
	Chris Michalski
	cmichals@top.eng.utoledo.edu

Frank Stocker  wrote:
>I'm looking for any good (ie. in depth) books on just Architectural use 
>of AutoCad 13. Any help would be appreciated!
>
>Frank
Frank,
Just try visiting the Autodesk Press web site at
http://www.autodeskpress.com
You can find lot of details on using R13 for specific fields over here.
Try also the New riders publications.
G.Rajesh
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//

howierk@aol.com (HowieRK) wrote:
>My company has just bought a new HP DesignJet 350C Plotter and we are
>having some trouble plotting to it over the network using AutoCAD 12.  The
>plotter has a JetDirect External Server conected to it.  We can get the
>computers to talk to the plotter, we just can't get AutoCAD to talk to the
>plotter.
>
>Can anyone give some advise?
>
>Ryan,
>howierk@aol.com
What are the error messages you are getting. Did you try using the AutSpool
menthod. Visit the Autodesk web site for a more detailed paper on printing
using AutoSpool method at 
http://www.autodesk.com/support/techdocs/techdocs.htm
G.Rajesh
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//

Is this the version that puts "Educational Version" across your drawings
when you plot them out?
Adrian Laveaga
Nichols Research Corporation
Camarillo, CA
http://www.nichols.com

Lu - Are you referring to a concatenation of text_parts, or
are you referring to a list_box or popup_list?
There is no way to use a fixed-width font in a concatenation
of text_parts, but you can display the contents of a list_box
or popup_list in a fixed font with the following DCL attribute:
   fixed_width_font = true;
-TonyT.
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Lu  wrote in article <32B72936.6CA4@ix.netcom.com>...
> Tony Tanzillo wrote:
> > 
> > Lu - The width of a space is much narrower than other
> > characters in a variable-pitch font (like the system
> > font used in DCL dialogs).
> 
> Hi Tony,
> 
> I don't mean this the way it sounds but I know that.  I think that 
> Autodesk/Microsoft has forgotten about fixed length strings and database 
> record display in a list window.  On page 628 of the Customization Guide,
> they refer to using tabs for the layer control window but then also 
> caution that the apperance may differ across platforms.  Using a 
> mono-spaced font in the list windows would be ideal.  But how does one do
> it?
> 
> The following is data extracted from Title Blocks;
> By position; (dwg_no)  (dwg_size)  (rev_no)  (dwg_title)
> 
> 06249     B  0  FIRE BOX BACK
> 06263     B  0  ASH DOOR SPACER
> 06320     B  0  TERMINATION SPACER
> 10000000  ?  0  * UNKNOWN *
> 10000100  ?  0  * UNKNOWN *
> 
> As displayed in a windows DCL list window;
> 
> 06249   B  0  FIRE BOX BACK
> 06263   B  0  ASH DOOR SPACER
> 06320   B  0  TERMINATION SPACER
> 10000000  ?  0  * UNKNOWN *
> 10000100  ?  0  * UNKNOWN *
> 
> The columns don't align in a Windoz list box! It seems rather absurd to 
> write a function to add or delete spaces simply to display a data line. 
> And if one did, how would they be able to retrieve a data field if the 
> string/record is not fixed length?  *^$#%*(&*^&%% B. Gates!
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Lu
> //------------------------------------------------------------------
> //  When all else fails, read the book.
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> //------------------------------------------------------------------
> 

G.,
The local ATC where I live, is not very good.  The offer very few classes
in beginning and intermediate AutoCAD use.  Are all your ATC's like this? 
I have wanted to take some advanced classes on customization, or AutoLISP,
or 3D solid modeling... more advanced classes, something!  Are all ATC's
like this, are the ATC's only good for introduction, but not for the
people who already know it want just want to upgrade their skills.  It's
at a community college, and when I have talked to some people and
mentioned that it is the ATC for the area  they laugh.  What's happening?
Adrian Laveaga
Nichols Research Corporation
Camarillo, CA
http://www.nichols.com

In article <32B835AF.6EA0@swbell.net>, trf@swbell.net says...
>
>what is the best way to fax an autocad file? do i need to export as a 
>bmp file then fax using procomm? (i tried this, but i am having 
>difficulty - either the image is 1/4 sheet size or much larger than one 
>sheet). and faxing straight from autocad doesn't seem to work too. is 
>there a 3rd party software dedicated to faxing autocad files, that will 
>allow to attach text documents with it? i am using autocad lt for 
>windows 95. any advice would be appreciated.
>
>tom frymire
>frymire engineering co.
My US Robotics modem came with a program called "Quicklink" which included a 
windows fax print driver. It installs as a system printer. To use it I just 
configured a system printer in AutoCAD for that driver and "print" to that 
printer just as I would to any other printer. Bear in mind that you can't fax 
a drawing file; only an image of one.
Surely, there must be others out there.
-- 
Steve Rockwell, sfr928@ct2.nai.net
RKR Services, Consulting Engineers
**********************************
Science can amuse and fascinate us all, but it is engineering
that changes the world. - Isaac Asimov

Hello.  Thank you all for a lot of suggestion.  I didn't expect many 
response, so I really appreciate your kindness.
bjoness@mindspring.com (VooDooChiLD) wrote:
> it sounds like you're using a dual boot on the operating
> systems.  I've had so many crashes with r13 running under win3.11 and
> the wing32 interface that I went to win95 exclusively. 
Thanks for the info.  In my case, the crash occurs at the same incidence
in Win3.1 and 95.
> I still say that it's one of the best drawing and modeling packages 
> on the markey for it's price.  
In my experience, it is the most unreliable application I've ever used...
(crashes too often)
Sam Flarity  wrote:
> Suggestion # 1 upgrade to c4, the patch is available on the net or from
> your dealer.
Thanks for the info.  I will check if I can do that.
> Suggestion # 2 re-install AutoCad for each of your boot situations
> paying particular attention to the windows swap file.  In windows 3.1 
> use a permanent swap file as large as windows will allow.  In 95 let 
> windows manage the swap files.  The slowing down is usually a sign of 
> swap file activity.
In Win3.1, I have 48MB RAM + 48MB swap file.  I will try larger swap file
size.  In Win95, swap file is handled by Windows automatically, and I have
500MB of free space on the disk, so it shouldn't be the problem.
> Not incomplete, what makes it useful (and expensive) is it's ability to
> be modified by  the end user via lisp or ads and many other tools.  If 
> you take the time to get to know it, it's a real champion.  
I used the word "incomplete" for two reasons.  First, it crashes too often,
and this means that it is not working as it should, at least in my 
situation.  Second, I heard that to fully utilize AutoCAD, I have to 
purchase third-party addon programs separately.  IMO, highly expensive 
software like ACAD should include everything the users need, otherwise 
it is "incomplete."  
Some people mentions its capability and flexibility to customize by
lisp or something, but I don't think it would justify ACAD's high price
because stand-alone programming language applications, such as Borland C++ 
or Visual C, cost much less than ACAD.
In my personal, one-dimentional opinion, approx. $1000 is reasonable 
price for ACAD.
-- 
Junji Hata, Los Angeles
jhata@sure.net

I am an Architectural Designer and have used Autocad for several years. 
I started out in drafting on the board.  In the last couple of years we
have started using x-refs quite a bit with Paperspace/Modelspace.  I
cant imagine trying to put together a package without a layering guide
similar to AIA, so that I can manipulate the drawing by freezing/thawing
or whatever. 
In our company we have two groups of drafting, an Architectural
Engineering group and an Engineering group.  The AE group uses a
layering convention similar to AIA.  The Engineering group is using
about 5 layers on their drawings.  The layers are object01, object02,
object03 ect.  They then set the line width for each layer (object01 =
very fine, thru object05 = heavy line).  So the purpose is to draw every
"very fine" line on your drawing on the same layer and every really
heavy line is on is on the same layer.  Their layering separates line
thickness instead of objects.  They tell me that their purpose is to
make their drawings look like what they would draw on the drawing
board.  So, they dont need the complex layering that an AE type of
drawing would.
Is there a better way to put together Mechanical/Electrical "widget"
type drawings?  I cant believe that the "widget" type of drafting is
still doing drawings the same way they have done for 100 years, with the
exception of using a $4,000.00 computer with $1,500.00 software instead
of a $3.00 pencel and paper.  Maybe its not productive or usefull for
them to use a 3D model of each part and then use Paperspace to open up
viewports to show the views you want.
I would appreciate hearing from any "widget" type drafters on how you
put together your drawings.

I have a question for you all.  I've been using paper space to plot some
of my 3D drawings, and different viewports to get the different views. 
Now my question is this.... let's say you have a model of a telephone in
3D, you have 3 viewports, one of them has a top view, the other has a
right side view, and in the 3rd vieport you want to show the phone but
exploded.  If you move parts in model space the changes will appear in all
of the other viewports.  The way that I have been doing it is copying the
entire model and focusing on the second model in one of the viewports, but
since the models are in 3D, the drawings can get real big!  Do you have
any suggestions for another way of doing this?  I have tried setting the
model up in a position I like and then plotting to file using DXB, and
then DXB in to paper space, but this has it's downers too, you loose all
the ability to modify the arcs, lines and circles because it all comes in
as plines.  If you all have any ideas let me know!
Thanks,
Adrian Laveaga
Nichols Research Corporation
Camarillo, CA
http://www.nichols.com

"Bjorn Sleypen"  wrote:
>I've got problems to render. Every time I want to render something, I
>always get the same message: Unable to execute render ; Arxload failed.
>Can anyone help me ?
>
>Thanks.
>
Just delete the Render.cfg file and do a reconfiguration.
I hope you have the correct version of Render program with the relevant
version of AutoCAD R13.
G.Rajesh
//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//

>Junji Hata wrote:
>> 
>> I use R13c3 and have several architectural drawings.  What I want
>> to do is to paint out the inside of all walls.  Now all walls are
>> drawn by lines, but I have to fill it by black.
>> 
First, you really should upgrade to R13C4.
I think the solution to your problem is to use multilines, not poylines or 
traces. A multiline style can have the property of being filled with any 
color you choose. Then you just draw the walls with multilines and they are 
filled as they are created.
-- 
Steve Rockwell, sfr928@ct2.nai.net
RKR Services, Consulting Engineers
**********************************
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that changes the world. - Isaac Asimov

In article <32b6f1e8.105933444@news.micron.com>, rkirstine@micron.com says...
>
>"Tony Tanzillo"  wrote:
>
>>   Working Woman magazine's 1996 list of the 20 best paid women in
>>corporate America, as compiled from public companies' reports.
>>
>>   1. Linda Wachner -- chairwoman, CEO of Warnaco Group, $11.16 million.
>>   2. Jill Barad -- CEO of Mattel. $6.17 million.
>>   3. Carol Bartz -- chairwoman, CEO and president of Autodesk. $5.51
>>million.
>
>-clip-
>
>The company I work for had a net profit of 590 million on gross sales
>of 3.7 billion last year and our CEO made under 2 million (including
>bonus & stock).  For the same year, Autodesk netted 87 million on
>gross sales of 530 million and look at what Carol Bartz made.
>Apparently our company is way under paying our CEO???
>
>Rodney Kirstine
>Mechanical Engineer
>Systems Integration, A Division of Micron Technology
>rkirstine@micron.com
Or perhaps Autodesk is over paying Carol Bartz. The world is rife with CEO 
salaries that bear no relationship to performance.
-- 
Steve Rockwell, sfr928@ct2.nai.net
RKR Services, Consulting Engineers
**********************************
Science can amuse and fascinate us all, but it is engineering
that changes the world. - Isaac Asimov

In article <01bbec5e$b6d34280$25dc92cf@pentiumpro>, 
tony.tanzillo@worldnet.att.net says...
>
>Is this the best you can do?
>
>-- 
>/*******************************************************/ 
>/*   Tony Tanzillo     Design Automation Consulting    */
>/*    Expert AutoCAD Programming and Customization     */
>/* --------------------------------------------------- */
>/*      Co-Author of Maximizing AutoCAD R13 and        */
>/*        Maximizing AutoLISP for AutoCAD R13          */
>/* --------------------------------------------------- */
>/*       Contributing Author, CADENCE Magazine         */
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>
>
>G Rajesh  wrote in article
><596c2u$e95@lex.zippo.com>...
>> "Syrinx"  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> >This part of my lisp file is used to build a list of
>> >layers to fill a pop-up box in a dialog box.
>> >
>> >How can I make this list EXCLUDE frozen layers ??
>> >
>> >          ;;;Create list of layers
>> >
>> >             (setq lnlist nil lboxlist nil)
>> >             (setq llist (tblnext "layer" T))
>> >              (while llist
>> >                (setq lname (cdr (assoc 2 llist)))
>> >                (setq lnlist (append lnlist (list lname)))
>> >                (setq llist (tblnext "layer"))
>> >              )
>> >             (if lnlist (setq lnlist (acad_strlsort lnlist)))
>> >
>> >
>> >Thanks
>> >
>> >--
>> >
>> >R.K. McSwain
>> >yyz@hic.net
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> You can check for the DXF CODE 70 for finding out whether this layer is
>> frozen , thawed or locked.
>> 
>> G.Rajesh
>> //Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//
>> 
His posting was certainly more helpful than yours. If you have something 
better why don't you post it.
-- 
Steve Rockwell, sfr928@ct2.nai.net
RKR Services, Consulting Engineers
**********************************
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that changes the world. - Isaac Asimov

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identifed and automatically inserted. This DCL/LSP would have the 'slide'
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I also want to modify it to automatically scale these items to the correct
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Time saver !!!   What if somebody out there had a DCL/LSP program that
operated similar to this that I could get a copy of and totally customize
it to match my needs.
This wouls save me a lot of time. So how about it. can anyone help me.
I have written and customized a fair bit of my own Autocad operating
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              I am a potential co-op student with the EKHO institute.  The
EKHO Institute is a training center for AUTOCAD R13 workstations, situated
in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.  
	I am inquiring to see if you would be willing to take me on as a co-op
student after I have completed my AUTOCAD training courses to assist you in
any AUTOCAD drawings you may need completed.  This opportunity will be no
obligation to you whatsoever, you need not pay me for my services; it is
strictly for me to gain additional experience in AUTOCAD.  This opportunity
would be beneficial to both you and I.  The work placement will be for a
period of one month (Feb 6 - Mar 7  1997).  
	A little bit about myself, I am a recent graduate from Ottawa University
in Mechanical Engineering, so I have the technical background.  If you
would like me to forward you my resume or any more information about the
EKHO institute and this program, I will be more than willing to do so. 
However timing of this program is very critical and would appreciate a
response as soon as possible.  If you would like to reply to me my email
address is s603967@aix1.uottawa.ca
	Thank you for you time
					Sincerely,
					   Daniel 

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W.R. Lewis wrote:
> 
> Has anyone else come across this problem the dxf file format only appears
> to work
> solely with ACAD r13 , any advice or help would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks in Advance,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Bill Lewis
There is another option.
 drive> DXFIX [-a] -t  
which is; convert binary R13DXF named house13.dxf to abinary R12DXF
named house12.dxf
 drive>DXFIX -tdxfix13 HOUSE13 HOUSE12
                                        (Recognition to Jeff Baker)
This may help. Regards Peter

My son is a 4th year aerospace engineering student and is interested in purchasing a PC to run
AUTO -CAD or other computer-aided design programs for his projects. Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
                                                                         Jody

Hello,
Does there exist a tool or a program that makes drwaing stairs easier?
Thanks in advance,
Paul Kreuger

I am having problems with my HP 5P laserjet system printer.  My True
Type Fonts are not printing properly.  They only fill partially.  I am
presently using AutoCAD R13C4 on Win 95.  
Note: The fonts were printing properly when I was using Win 3.11 and
AutoCAD R13C3.
I have been using Win 3.11 system printer with AutoCAD 13C3, the true
type fonts and arrow heads filled properly.  I recently upgraded to
Win 95 and then updated to AutoCAD 13C4.  My true type fonts only fill
about 50% and the arrow heads in the dimension lines don't fill at
all.  Line width is set @ .020" textqlty=50, textfill=1,  fill (on) ,
it doesn't matter if adjust area fill is checked or not,  none of the
optimization settings have an effect either.  I am using arial.ttf and
arlrdbd.ttf.  The screen view is filled and looks good.  It just won't
print the way it looks on the screen.
Thank you for your help,
Please email to laney@ckn.com
Rick

DXF export will work from Corel although you will have to play with font
styles when in AutoCAD.
>Try copying the text into the clipboard, then paste it into the MTEXT
>editor.  Or, export the text into a file, then import the text into
>AutoCad.
>
>Scott B)
>
>Robbo  wrote in article
><32b2ee80.239534832@news.protocom.com>...
>> Hi,
>> 
>>   Can anyone recomend the best way to convert Corel Draw (.cdr) files
>> into Autocad (.dwg or .dxf) files so that the text gets converted as
>> text?
>>   When I convert the files (which have a lot of text) into Autocad, I
>> have to retype all of the text so that it is recognized as text and
>> not just a bunch of lines.
>>   Are there any utilities or tricks to avoid this?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>>   Robbo
>> 
Patrick Collins

Hi.
I am trying to learn AutoLISP, and have run into a problem.
This is what I would like to do:
(setq string1 " Middle ")
(setq string2 (strcat "Left" string1 "Right"))
such that string2 = "Left Middle Right"
Apparently, strcat won't accept a string variable as an
argument.  Is this correct, and if so, is there a way around
it?
TIA,
-James
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Tony Tanzillo wrote:
> 
> Thanks for making my point even more clear.
> 
> The inferiority of most AutoCAD-based applications lies in
> the long-neglected shortcomings of the underlying platform
> (AutoCAD), not in the add-on applications. If you think that
> Softdesk's AutoArchitect is technologically advanced, then
> you are a victim of your own ignorance.
> 
> --
> /*******************************************************/
> /*   Tony Tanzillo     Design Automation Consulting    */
> /*    Expert AutoCAD Programming and Customization     */
> /* --------------------------------------------------- */
> /*      Co-Author of Maximizing AutoCAD R13 and        */
> /*        Maximizing AutoLISP for AutoCAD R13          */
> /* --------------------------------------------------- */
> /*       Contributing Author, CADENCE Magazine         */
> /* --------------------------------------------------- */
> /*             71241.2067@compuserve.com               */
> /*           tony.tanzillo@worldnet.att.net            */
> /*   http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/tonyt    */
> /*******************************************************/
If you hate Autocad so much, then why do you waste so much time telling 
everybody your the "Expert Autocad Prgramming and Customization" (see above)
and "Co-Author of Maximizing Autocad R13". Do you often spend great deals of 
time on inferior products? You obviously spent a great deal of time learning 
Autolisp and other programming aspects of Autocad. I can tell from reading 
your previous postings on such matters. Then again with your ego you probably 
claim to have invented it or just woke up and "know it all".
Or did someone from Autodesk just piss you off to the point where you have a 
personal agenda to slander them every chance you get?
> 
> Tim Kirwan  wrote in article <32B6FFF4.7BE1@eazy.net>...
> > i think "Tony Tanzillo" has finally lost his mind, the merger between
> > autodesk and softdesk is the best thing that could possibly happen to
> > our industry. finally software wannabe's like eaglepoint will have to
> > stop making an inferior product and go back where they came from.
> >

dave lawson <71202.1577@compuserve.com> wrote:
>Rob Russell wrote:
>> 
>> Glenn Thomson bashed its head on a keyboard, resulting in:
>> : I'd like to know what locomotive engineers and stationary engineers call
>> : themselves in your part of Ontario, then.
>> 
>> As in the rest of Canada, "locomotive engineers" call themselves
>> "hoggers."  As a P.Eng with the railway, my father always went out of his
>> way to correct people that called them engineers by telling them it was
>> pronounced differently (ingin-eers or something) but they call themselves
>> hoggers.
>> 
>> Whether it is common practice or not, still doesn't make it right.  The
>> PEO (and other organizations) should make more of an effort to dissuade
>> the improper use of the term "engineer."
>> 
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> Robert Russell         \ /              Rob_Russell@Ottawa.Com
>> Carleton University x--o8o--x       2nd Year, Mech & Aero Eng.
>> http://wabakimi.carleton.ca/~rrussell
>> Director of Publications, Carleton Student Engineering Society
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> "No harm was done to my mental well-being."  --  erdem@engsoc
>
>
>
>It sounds like hoggers is a pretty good term for engineers.
>
>
>Dave
+++++
Dave sounds like someone with a real chip on his shoulder and it would 
not suprise me if he is also a  " Quack  Engineer  "

dave lawson <71202.1577@compuserve.com> wrote:
>Rob Russell wrote:
>> 
>> Glenn Thomson bashed its head on a keyboard, resulting in:
>> : I'd like to know what locomotive engineers and stationary engineers call
>> : themselves in your part of Ontario, then.
>> 
>> As in the rest of Canada, "locomotive engineers" call themselves
>> "hoggers."  As a P.Eng with the railway, my father always went out of his
>> way to correct people that called them engineers by telling them it was
>> pronounced differently (ingin-eers or something) but they call themselves
>> hoggers.
>> 
>> Whether it is common practice or not, still doesn't make it right.  The
>> PEO (and other organizations) should make more of an effort to dissuade
>> the improper use of the term "engineer."
>> 
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> Robert Russell         \ /              Rob_Russell@Ottawa.Com
>> Carleton University x--o8o--x       2nd Year, Mech & Aero Eng.
>> http://wabakimi.carleton.ca/~rrussell
>> Director of Publications, Carleton Student Engineering Society
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> "No harm was done to my mental well-being."  --  erdem@engsoc
>
>
>
>It sounds like hoggers is a pretty good term for engineers.
>
>
>Dave
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Dave sounds like someone with a real chip on his shoulder and it would 
not suprise me if he is also a  " Quack  Engineer  "

I am running Autocad Lt ver 95 under windows NT ver4 and am having
problems with it crashing when I save, but not when I use save as.
This is getting to be a pain.
Anyone got any suggestions
Please reply via e-mail as I dont get to the groups too often
TIA
Jon

I need to "extrude", if you will, one shape into another.
e.g Imagine a tube that is square on one end but circular on the
opposite.  The "parent" geometry may vary in complexity,
We've been doing this for years on Anicam and now Smartcam but when it
comes to Autocad...stump city.   Any suggestions?
thanks
briah@indy.net

Rod Young  writes:
> Kent Eddy wrote:
> > 
> > Or do a TIFFOUT, import to a graphics program like Paintbrush and export as a
> > BMP.  It's ugly, but it works.
> 
> Our program AutoBMP does both dwg > BMP and dwg > WMF in unattended
> batch mode.
> 
> -- 
> 
>   Sierra Hermitage		
>   If this ftp site is busy, go to  and search
> for mirror
>   sites worldwide where these demos may also be downloaded.	
> 
>   RUN LISP - batch acad R12
> 
>   RUN LISP - batch acad R13
> 
>   DIRECTORY TAMER - Simple EDM
> 
>   BATCH PLOT - auto plot dwgs
> 
>   AUTO LOADER - alisp manage
> 
>   AUTOBMP  - dwg > bmp	
> 
>   DWGDOC - attach file to dwg
> 
>   FINDVARS - alisp helper
> 
The above is to time consuming, just type bmpout.
MB

tim@iag.net (king) writes:
> My printer dialog box or window does not pop up anymore after I hit the printer 
> icon.  Instead I get the stuff down at the command line.  I need to use the options 
> like preview and stuff that I really cant use in the command line.  What happened 
> and how do I get the dialog box or window to pop up again?
> 
> NEED HELP?
> 
> Thanks for your responses!
> 
> Tim
> 
Type cmddia and change it to 1, this is your printer dialog control.
MB

In article <32B6FFF4.7BE1@eazy.net>, tadgh@eazy.net says...
> i think "Tony Tanzillo" has finally lost his mind, the merger between
> autodesk and softdesk is the best thing that could possibly happen to
> our industry. finally software wannabe's like eaglepoint will have to
> stop making an inferior product and go back where they came from.
Limiting a users choice of software add-ons is NEVER a good idea.  
Whenever one company has a monopoly on a market, their users are at risk 
of being at their mercy. 
Sincerely,
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In article <32B70CBC.2C12@ix.netcom.com>, nazgul10@ix.netcom.com says...
> Let's bite the hand that feeds us, huh?
This could be said in return to Autodesk as well.
Sincerely,
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With adroit appendages floating frantically athwart the
electromechanical ciphering device > endeavored to convey the supervening
erudition to the espying public:
>Hi.
>I am trying to learn AutoLISP, and have run into a problem.
>This is what I would like to do:
>(setq string1 " Middle ")
>(setq string2 (strcat "Left" string1 "Right"))
>such that string2 = "Left Middle Right"
>Apparently, strcat won't accept a string variable as an
>argument.  Is this correct, and if so, is there a way around
>it?
>TIA,
>-James
>-- 
>--------------------------------------------------
>James Watson,  jjwatson@re.ra.rockwell.com     <><
>--------------------------------------------------
James,
Your code shoould work - try it at the command prompt;
Command: (setq string1 " Middle ")
" Middle "
Command: (setq string2 (strcat "Left" string1 "Right"))
"Left Middle Right"
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In article <32B81F25.121E@inel.gov>, djg@inel.gov says...
> Is there a better way to put together Mechanical/Electrical "widget"
> type drawings?  I cant believe that the "widget" type of drafting is
> still doing drawings the same way they have done for 100 years, with the
> exception of using a $4,000.00 computer with $1,500.00 software instead
> of a $3.00 pencel and paper.  Maybe its not productive or usefull for
> them to use a 3D model of each part and then use Paperspace to open up
> viewports to show the views you want.
In mechanical drafting, things can change from one job to another so much 
that it's hard to have a layering standard that fits everything.  If all 
your drafting is "Widgets" then sothing different can be fine.  If your 
drafting Widgets, thing-a-ma-jigs, do-hickeys, and thing-a-ba-bobbers, 
them it's a little different.  Assembly drawings we use several humdered 
layers at times, piece part drawings, no more than 6 usually.
Sincerely,
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