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>I hope that you know your GOD loves you, no matter what GOD you believe
in.
I agree that God loves all of us. But it DOES matter WHAT God we believe
in.
>Thank your GOD for life and ask your GOD to let you live as your GOD
would want
>you to. 
I agreee except there is only ONE God, none of this YOUR God stuff! This
contradictory to your saying only one God below. If there is only one God
how can there be all kinds of understandings or definitions of God? You
sound like one of those godless liberals or New Agers.
>When we look closely at GOD we begin to realize that we all believe in
the
>same GOD, we may see GOD in different ways, but GOD will always be GOD.
I disagree strongly. We DON'T believe in the same God. He can only be seen
in ONE way. Either God is the God of the Bible or your understanding of
God is NOT God at all ! This is totally false, a lie straight from HELL! 
> There can only be one GOD, and that one GOD loves us all, and wants
nothing but the
>best for us. If your in doubt, just remember GOD works in mysterious
ways, there is
>a reason for everything...
This is true. But God is loving God & He loves us too much to let us
self-destruct.  He chastises us, just as a loving Father does to those the
He loves. He also sends judgment. Read the Old Testament.

Hello Gerrit,
What kind of plotter are you using?  If you are using an HPGL/2 (?)
plotter which is set up through the HPCONFIG command, then set up a color
under hpconfig as "shaded" with a value of "0%".  Create a layer called
shade, assign the color to it, and draw a 2d solid under the text.
The only difficulty is the way autocad sorts for plotting, so you must
draw the text after the solid (make sure you have sorting turned on for
regens and redraws under the "Options/selection" dialog box.  There are
lisp routines around called TOP.lsp and BOTTOM.lsp which will help
manipulate the order that geometry has in the data base.
This is a great tool, we use it extensively in architectural drawing. 
When we draw elevations, fill the entire facade with hatch, then put a
mask solid under your door and window blocks, and you can move them around
all you want, without worrying about screwing up the hatch.  Lots of other
uses to. . . . .
Happy Holidays
Randy Kopf
Kellogg Community College

Had the same problem - recommend anyone who uses it to back up their 
existing set up for restoring.
Any clues on getting it too work will be appreciated.
Bruce Bromley
BBromley@msn.com
Mr. John Teisberg wrote:
> 
> Applied the R13c4a patch to R13c4 and get "Fatal Error, Incorrect acad-xmx file".
> 
> Anyone have any ideas? I'm looking for a magic bullet before I reinstall Atuocad.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> John Teisberg
> Industrial Illustrations
> 1460 Simpson St.
> St. Paul, MN  55108-2341 USA
> Phone & fax 612.645.9299

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In article <32b778bb.49403812@news.tu-graz.a c.at>, From 
 (Reini Urban), the following was written:
>> Just an idea how this might be done:
>> 
>> 1. make the text you want to write a hidden attribute of the block
>> 2. reserve an additional hidden attribute for later use
>> 3. write a lisp program that extracts the text from your block, 
>> writes the text according your requirements, extracts the handle of 
>> this text and stores this handle as hidden attribute in the place 
>> provided for under 2. This program must also insert the block. 4. For
  >> modifications, write a lisp program that extracts the text handle 
>> from the block and erases the related text, then erases the block. 
> 
> BTW: It has to be said that this approach is stupid and useless.
> 
> The first follow-up showed how simple it is. (ATTREDEF ... ANGLE 0)
> There's even no need for Lisp, a simple menu macro would do it too.
I would not say so: imagine a situation where some information (e.g. the
type of the light, weight, color or whatever remains static) is part of
the block (as attribute) and part of the information is depending on the
3-dimensional block insertion (e.g coordinates and light beam
direction). I cannot see how that would be done without some sort of
program, and this is the situation I had in mind when I made above
recommendation. Please also bear in mind that what you call the first
follow up need not be the first one everywhere, it depends on the news
server.
Josef

I am using R13.  I want to plot a 3d drawing with rendered surfaces
instead of wire frame in paper space, does any one know how I could do
that?  When I plot the drawing in paper space, the printer plot out a
wire frame of the drawing instead.  I could use the rendering window
option of the rendering dialog box, or simply save the rendering as a
file.  But I cannot do that in paper space.  
Thanks in advance.
Cl

I have a drawing that I have copied an Excel spreadsheet into for a
schedule. When I go to plot I can see the inserted spreadsheet in the full
print preview, but it does not plot.
What can I be doing wrong?
I am using ACAD r13c4a Win95
Thanks in advance
-- 
Tim
TKBridge@cris.com

Thanks Tony, I need to change the height of block insertion attributes. I have an Attribute Tag
called Sample No., and it has a text height of 15, I need to change the text to a smaller height
to suit my output scale for plotting.
I only have to do it for one block name - rock_96, and the one Tag - sample no.
Bob
In article <01bbed52$ce05ac00$89de92cf@pentiumpro>, "Tony says...
>
>Bob - Do you want to change the heights of block insertion
>attributes, or attribute definitions within block definitions?
>
>Changing the attribute definitions within the blocks will 
>not affect the height of attributes in existing insertions.
>
>Do you want to do it for all attributes/attdefs, or only
>certain ones whose tags match a certain value?
>
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>
>Bob Stirling wrote in article <599eoh$3ms@lois.zippo.com>...
>> I need to change the Text Size of Attribute Tags for about 1000 blocks.
>> Is there an easy way to do this with a global command (lisp program)? 
>> I have looked for a lisp routine, but haven't found anything. Using Acad
>r13 c4, NT 3.51.
>> 
>> Any help is appreciated. Thank you.
>> 
>> Bob Stirling, Geological Drafting Services

A while back there was an "AutoLISP Problem" thread.  I've got another 
one to add.  There are no right or wrong solutions, but I thought it 
would be interesting to see how people would approach this.
No code is required (although you can feel free to do so) but rather 
explain the processes that you would take to accomplish this problem in 
the easiest and/or quickest manner.  An Email "congrats!" to all that 
respond.
The Problem...
Determine the lower-left and upper-right extents of a block in a drawing 
that contains more entities than just the block in question.
I can think of 3 different processes off the top of my head that could do 
this. (not all are fool proof)
1: If not using paperspace, insert the block in paper space and zoom 
extents.  The PS extents can then be retrieved.
2: Erase all but that block.  Zoom extents.  Read the extents.  Undo your 
drawing back to it's original form.
3: Wblock the block to disk. Open the new file. Zoom extents.  Reopen the 
opd file.  This method would require writing data to disk and 
modification of the ACAD.LSP so that AutoCAD can keep tract of which 
drawings to open and close as well as the coordinates.
Any others?
Sincerely,
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Actually, Vital LISP is not a compiler it all. It generates
p-code (like Visual Basic). Hence, the size of the resulting
ARX is largely due to the fact that there is a p-code runtime 
interpreter bound into it.
It is essentially the same as having VBRUNx00.DLL bound into 
the executable of a VB application.
The process of compiling a high-level language down to true
machine code allows many specific optimizations to be made
which can result in extremely fast code, but this is largely
dependent on the quality of the compiler optimizations.
When I compile a Delphi application, which is a high-level 
language (Pascal), it generates extremely fast, tight, and
very effecient machine code, so fast that my AutoLISP editor
can check errors, display parentheses balancing, and show
you the calling syntax of Lisp functions as you type them,
or move the cursor over them, all in real-time.
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Mitchell S. Todd  wrote in article
<32B9E2AE.4D4A@memo.ericsson.se>...
> (Reini Urban) wrote:
> 
> > cyberben@total.net wrote:
> > >I recently bought Vital LISP 2.0 and found it very good. I'm very
> > >happy with this software but... but... when it came the time to
> > >compile my files into an ARX or an EXP, I got these HUGE file of over
> > >600k for a mere 50k of program code ???  Am I doing something wrong ?
> > >Is there a way to reduce the size of these files ?
> 
> > It's because it includes the whole runtime module into the arx. And
this
> > Run-time module is a full-blown lisp system. (I mean a real full-blown
> > lisp system, not just another autolisp interpreter)
> 
> > But the ARX loads very fast and only once a acad session, not on every
> > drawing setup. (and you can even keep all lisp symbols and functions
> > during drawing switches if you set *VILL-NEW-FULL-INIT* to nil)
> 
> 	Actually the increase is inherent to the process of compiling
> 	high level languages into machine code. The point of high
> 	level languages is to remove as much of the computer-specific
> 	(ie, "low-level") tasks from the programmer's job, to better
> 	allow the human programmer to concentrate on the abstract, human
> 	level aspects of his work.
> 	
> 	The abstraction in higher level languages makes it easy for us  to
> 	understand what is going on. The thing is, computer hardware is 
> 	terrible at abstract thinking. As a result, machine language software
> 	has to hold the CPU's hand through each and every step.  Consider 
> 	this straightforward procedure in c:
> 
> 		a = 1;
> 		b = 2;
> 		c = a + b;
> 
> 	In assembly language, this example would look something like:
> 
> 		LD  0x07AF, 0x01 
>    		LD  0x07B1, 0x02
> 		LDA 0x07AF
> 		ADD A, 0x07B1
> 		LD  A, 0x07B3
> 		
> 	14 bytes of c code yields 56 bytes of assembly code...and this 
> 	isn't considering the possibility of having to carry a 1, which
> 	would add yet more code into the procedure.
> 
> 	
> 	MST
> 

>>I've got a problem, and I'm hoping that someone here may be able to help. 
>>Here's the situation...
>>
>>- A mesh was created in Autocad (sorry- don't know the version- I believe it 
>>was 12)
>>- AME (which, I understand, means "Automatic Modeling Extension" or something 
>>like that) was used during the design
>>- Saved in acad as a .dxf file 
>>- I don't work in Autocad myself, so I don't know what parameters were used in
> 
>>saving it as .dxf
>>- I try to import it into 3dStudio r3, r4 and 3dMax, and no matter what I try 
>>(import as layers, colors, etc. etc.) I don't get a full mesh
>>- The mesh that I do get is the correct shape, but is missing a lot of faces. 
>>Eg. a flat surface, missing a triangular block section
>>- From what I understand, using AME in the design process is what screwed 
>>things up. True?
>>
>>Any help would be much appreciated. Sorry if I couldn't supply you with more 
>>info- I am merely an animator ;)
>>
>>Thanks in advance,
>>alan
>>
>
>Alan,
>
>I assume that the solids you have created are still in the wireframe 
>mode only. If you take a DXF now and import into 3DS you will not get the 
>desired results.
>So USE the SOLMESH command and select the objects you want to export
>to the 3DS. Then use the DXFOUT command and select the objects.
>Now you can get the solids in tact.
>If you want to increase the accuracy in 3DS then edit the 3DS.SET file
>and increase the maximum no. of vertices to say 1000. Now the 
>accuracy will be good.
>
>G.Rajesh
>//Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//
I was up at work today and tried it out only to find.... R13 apparently 
doesn't have (or require) the SOLMESH command. Alas, we have been fortunate ;) 
to upgrade all of our copies from 12 to 13.
Other suggestions?
alan

Mr. John Teisberg wrote:
> 
> Applied the R13c4a patch to R13c4 and get "Fatal Error, Incorrect acad-xmx file".
> Anyone have any ideas? I'm looking for a magic bullet before I reinstall Atuocad.
> John Teisberg
Hi,
have you tried renaming the file so that setup might ignore it and
create a new one...? 
Cheers,
Peter
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Gary Rider wrote:
> 
> I upgraded to release 13 and found it will not load with Dec Alpha NT
> 4.0. Has anyone else experienced this?
> 
> Is there a patch or upgrade to fix this?
> 
> Thanks Gary Rider
Hi Gary,
Autodesk say that NT4.0 requires acadr13 versionc4A.. also that this
release will update existing, reinstall or create new installtions and
suppports your platform...
Cheers,
Peter
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Testing a new system in our office, prior to purchase:
Windows NT 4.0 Workstation
Pentium 133 System 64 meg ram
Autocad 13
Roland Pen Plotter
Canon Color BubbleJet printer for draft output
Problem is getting color output from the Canon Color BubbleJet 240.
We are using the "SYSTEM PRINTER" option in Acad13, assuming that it will
print in color on the inkjet.  No such luck.  We are only getting black 
and white output, even on colour drawings which plot in colour on the 
Roland Plotter.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Mike

Autodesk Mechanical Desktop provides that functionality
(and a lot more).  There are also other CADD programs
which are useful both alone, and in conjunction with
AutoCAD, which can do this. The best of them (IMHO), is
Intergraph's Imagineer Technical.  
With Imagineer, when you dimension something you can 
declare the dimension as being either a "driving" or 
a "driven" dimension. 'driven' dimensions are essentially 
like AutoCAD's associative dimensions, which change when 
the geometry they're associated with changes.
A "driving" dimension, is the functional inverse of a
driven dimension - you can click on a driving dimension, 
and specify the new length/angle in an edit box on the 
toolbar, and the geometry associated with the dimension 
changes.
Since Imagineer also has the same type of 2D constraints
that are present in AMD's sketch mode, you can use driving
in conjunction with constraints to perform extremely complex
revisions in a matter of seconds, with nothing more than a 
few mouse clicks and/or keystokes. Performing the very same 
revisions on a non-associative equivalent in AutoCAD might 
require several hundred clicks/keystrokes, and could take
anywhere from 5 to 20 minutes to complete.
I've been using AutoCAD for 10 years. The very first time
I used Imagineer, I was completely blown away by what I
could do with it, and how easily I could do it.  And, the
best part is that Imagineer has the same retail price as
AutoCAD LT.
I've been converted.
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S.A.Jacklin  wrote in article
<32B949D2.3A68@ncl.ac.uk>...
> Does anyone know of a lisp routine / ADS application that will allow me
> to parametrically draft.
> 	i.e. Draw a line put a dimension on it, and then be able to edit the
> dimension (change the length) and the line length changes
> corespondingly.
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License of AcadR13C4 for sale (with books and cdrom of course!) This is
an upgradeable commercial version (NOT student). To assure that the
license transfers seamlessly I think the best situation is to transfer
the license before the buyer pays and before I ship the software.
Price is $1750.
Wayne.

I installed a bubble jet driver into the autocad drv directory.
I can configure the computer to printer, but I can't get an image.
The printer runs through the sequence, but no ink is deposited on the 
paper.  The printer works fine with Word and Excel.  How can I make 
AutoCad12 communicate with my Canon Bubble jet 4100? 

Darren - If you want the floating-point extents, I'm not
sure the ZOOM trick will work, since that computes the
extents in virtual display coordinates (but gives them to
you in floating point drawing units).
Another way: DXFOUT only the block, then open the file 
with AutoLISP and read $EXTMIN and $EXTMAX.
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Darren Young  wrote in article
...
> A while back there was an "AutoLISP Problem" thread.  I've got another 
> one to add.  There are no right or wrong solutions, but I thought it 
> would be interesting to see how people would approach this.
> 
> No code is required (although you can feel free to do so) but rather 
> explain the processes that you would take to accomplish this problem in 
> the easiest and/or quickest manner.  An Email "congrats!" to all that 
> respond.
> 
> The Problem...
> Determine the lower-left and upper-right extents of a block in a drawing 
> that contains more entities than just the block in question.
> 
> 
> I can think of 3 different processes off the top of my head that could do
> this. (not all are fool proof)
> 
> 1: If not using paperspace, insert the block in paper space and zoom 
> extents.  The PS extents can then be retrieved.
> 
> 2: Erase all but that block.  Zoom extents.  Read the extents.  Undo your
> drawing back to it's original form.
> 
> 3: Wblock the block to disk. Open the new file. Zoom extents.  Reopen the
> opd file.  This method would require writing data to disk and 
> modification of the ACAD.LSP so that AutoCAD can keep tract of which 
> drawings to open and close as well as the coordinates.
> 
> 
> Any others?
> 
> Sincerely,
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I assume that by 'Eclipse', you actually mean 'ellipse'?
If so, then it's quite-likely that the system you're exporting 
to does not support R13/LT3 DXF files, which can contain ellipse 
entities.
In R12 and earlier versions, an ELLIPSE was just a curve-fit
polyline with tangent information.  In R13/LT3, an ellipse is
a distinct, canonical entity type. Hence, if the system doesn't
support R13 DXF, it will not be able to interpret an ELLIPSE.
One solution is to set the PELLIPSE system variable to 1, which
causes AutoCAD to generate ellipses the same way it did in R12,
as curve-fit polylines.
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Magnus Sönnergren  wrote in article
<01bbebee$56aad280$4c5ef482@magnusso>...
> I´ve discovered a strange thing in the LT version of Autocad.
> If i draw an eclipse an try to export it as an DXF file it will turn up
as
> an empty file when importing to another system.
> This only appers in LT as I tried the same thing in Autocad R12 without
any
> problem.
> Is it me or is it the Ligth version.
> Anyone had the same experience ???
> 

In article <59c2tk$56i@news.dot.gov>, cdorsey@volpe2.dot.gov says...
>
>Does anyone know of any DXF (or IGES) to ACIS (.sat) converters?
>(preferably shareware)  Thanks.
>
R.13 does a .sat out command, read in the .dxf and then satout the model.  
IGES will not go to .sat
RG

I have problems with the dimensions.  When I select architectual it
gives coordiantes in the right way but when I do dimensions it does it
in decimal inches.  i nned to fix this!!
Mail me at Zero@epix.net please!!

Does anyone have a wood grain (true wood grain) hatch pattern.  I don't
want to purchase an entire arch package just to get one.  Please let me
know.

Is there any way to get your slide menus to pop back up simply by pressing
enter (right click or space).  In the DOS version it would, but since I
have switched to Windows it does not!  (What a pain in the @!*%^$#.  If
there is a work around, please let me know!

How about this?
Explode the block.
ssget "p"
Sort the x and y points to find the smallest and largest.
Do a little arithmetic.
Scott Drager

I'm going to buy a copy of AutoCAD LT (95) and AutoDesk offers it with a
copy of any symbols library for $489. This is less than I could buy them
separately from a retailer, although I could get AutoCAD LT by itself for
about $429 retail. I'm wondering if the extra costs for the symbols are
worth it. I plan on doing some Landscape and possibly Residential
Architecture drawings. Does AutoCAD LT come with some preloaded symbols
anyway? Thanks for any help.
email: sminvielle@aol.com

I recently aquired the following:
Calcomp Drawing Board II-12x12-W/4 Button Controller
20" Nec MULTISYNC XL Monitor (supports VGA-.31dp-1024X768
Can anyone give me an idea of a reasonable resale expectation?
Gracias Amigos!

Has anybody worked with the AutoCAD ADI 4.2 driver for the Windows system
printer in R13?  I am trying to set up an HPGL/2 system printer driver so
that I can plot drawings containing embedded Raster images (such as Excel
Spreadsheets).  I have things working pretty well except for one quirk.  I
can't calibrate my plotter.  There is about a 1% error in the X axis.  I
discovered that the calibration settings for the system printer do not
stick.  They get written to the ACADNT.CFG file but are immediately
replaced as soon as I plot or exit AutoCAD.  
I have tried making the changes and marking the ACAD.CFG as read only. 
AutoCAD just undoes the read only flag.  I am running release 13 c4a.
They sure haven't made it too easy to deal with plotting these combined
drawings.  There is also no means to control the scaling of the images or
freeze thawing, etc.
-----
Jonathan Shapiro
JonShapiro@worldnet.att.net

Matt - I've seen programs that will convert HPGL, HPGL/2, EPS or 
Calcomp's plotter format to AutoCAD DXF. Find out if your plot format for 
Mutoh is one of these (it's likely HPGL or HPGL/2), and then do a web 
search on that file format. 
Christal Elliott
//AutoCAD Support on the Net//
mstrogen (mstrogen@marshall.edu) wrote:
: Hello
: I had a hard drive crash and of course lost my dwg and bak files
: however on another drive I have a plt file still very much alive
: can i somehow convert a plot file for a mutoh pen plotter 
: back into a vector dwg or compatable format
: Thanks
: Matt

That wouldn't give you the extents of a circle, arc, or
TEXT, which requires a bit more than just a little math.
There's currently no way for AutoLISP to determine the
overall extents of MTEXT without using ARX.
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Scott Drager  wrote in article
<32BA0CD5.741C@ix.netcom.com>...
> How about this?
> Explode the block.
> ssget "p"
> Sort the x and y points to find the smallest and largest.
> Do a little arithmetic.
> Scott Drager
> 

Help!  My company is looking for a reasonalbe distributor to purchase
version 13 from.  Thanks

You need to use a Windows system printer to do this.  You can use the ADI
4.2 Windows system printer driver in AutoCAD.  Then you need to select an
appropriate driver in Win95 or NT.  I have an HPGL/2 driver that I
purchased.  It would allow me to plot a spreadsheet directly from Excel or
plot a drawing containing the spreadsheet.  However, see my thread
regarding calibrating the plotter.
Regards,
-- 
Jonathan Shapiro
JonShapiro@worldnet.att.net
Tim Bridge  wrote in article
<01bbee17$39a82540$3b01adce@BKTCadman>...
> I have a drawing that I have copied an Excel spreadsheet into for a
> schedule. When I go to plot I can see the inserted spreadsheet in the
full
> print preview, but it does not plot.
> 
> What can I be doing wrong?
> 
> I am using ACAD r13c4a Win95
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Tim
> 
> TKBridge@cris.com
> 

Where I work, we had some engineering drawings done for us by a design house 
which was using IBM Mainframe Cadam at the time. Is anyone aware of a 
shareware or software program which would make the translation of the Cadam 
files into AutoCad.dwg We have had trouble trying to use them from a .dxf 
format and are looking for a simpler way. The design house we used can do the 
translation but for a substantioal cost per file. Any suggestions would be 
appreciated. Thanks in advance - Daddy Gee  tgarrisi@netonecom.net

If the printer driver does not offer choices related to overlapping 
objects ("merge control" for example), what 
they may have to do is re-order the AutoCAD objects so that those 
which print in black print last. To do this you copy the objects and 
delete the original.
Christal Moreno
//AutoCAD Support on the Net//
Johnson (johnsont@hkstar.com) wrote:
: Dear fellow AutoCAD users, 
: We are a local system integrator. A client of ours purchased several
: Epson Stylus 1500 printers for plotting their AutoCAD release 13
: (Window 95 English version) drawings. Problem occurred consistently
: that : black lines can NOT be printed on colored background. We have
: helped out to test several configuration of drivers, connected local
: and network, and disable the 32-bit protected disk drivers. But none
: of them can help. Our clients is considering to return goods to us. 
: Please kindly advise.
: Best Regards,
: +-------------------------------------------+
: Johnson Tam        NationAD - Micro 2000 Ltd.
: Webmaster/Systems Engineer
: B5, 1/F Blk B Chung Mei Ctr. Hing Yip St. 
: Kwun Tong, KLN, HONG KONG  
: Tel: 27930108, Fax: 27930012
: email: info@nationad.com 
: url: http://www.nationad.com

A longtime standard has been HP-GL plotter format. Configure ACAD for 
HP-GL plotting, pick a smaller size model like 7475 or 7550. Plot to a 
file. You may need to rename the file extension to .hpl or something in 
order for Word to recognize it. You can control resolution of the image 
to a certain extent by experimenting with paper size and scale in AutoCAD.
As for WMF. I didn't have any problems, but I'm working with a white 
background in both ACAD and Word. Check to see if resetting the screen 
background improves things.
Christal Moreno
//AutoCAD Support on the Net//
 W R Shefte (tpsi@mcs.net) wrote:
: I cannot create a WMF output for insertion into a word file, or
: copyvector a drawing to the clipboard viewer or word file. Although I
: can copyimage a drawing to the clipboard and to aword file).
: When I check the .WNF file in the file manager it indicates data content
: but the page icon is empty.....
: ??? Does anyone have suggestion to resolve this problem or an
: alternative on how to insert a drawing that is vector based into a word
: file??

I can't seem to get Softdesk 7.5 to work on NT 4.0. Autocad installed 
and works fine but Softdesk installation did not create a create a group 
on my program directory. Why might this have happened? The program files 
reside on the hard drive. Double clicking on the Softdesk icon does not 
cause anything to happen. Please help me.
Thanks,
Clay

seema siddiqi wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is there an Autocad file viewer with redlining (markup) facility?
> This engineering drawing software is needed for 100 PCs.
> Any suggestions are appreciated.
> 
> Seema
Look at WWW.CYCO.COM for AUTOMANAGER VIEW
Karel

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Christal Moreno wrote:
> 
> Matt - I've seen programs that will convert HPGL, HPGL/2, EPS or
> Calcomp's plotter format to AutoCAD DXF. Find out if your plot format for
> Mutoh is one of these (it's likely HPGL or HPGL/2), and then do a web
> search on that file format.
> 
> Christal Elliott
> //AutoCAD Support on the Net//
> 
> mstrogen (mstrogen@marshall.edu) wrote:
> : Hello
> : I had a hard drive crash and of course lost my dwg and bak files
> : however on another drive I have a plt file still very much alive
> : can i somehow convert a plot file for a mutoh pen plotter
> : back into a vector dwg or compatable format
> 
> : Thanks
> : Matt
MATT
I've tried to recover plot files back into dwg's again the problem is 
that when I did so the files no longer were entities like lines and text 
but rather fragments of pieces so if I did any revisions it was a 
nightmare.  Have you tried to the UNDELETE command from the c: prompt?
if you backed up files there usually is a deleted backup before it and 
it is located on the hard drive providing you had enough memory so it 
wasn't over written by anything else.  This has always been the easiest 
way for me to retrieve lost files.  
Good luck 
coriell

>All jokin' aside, why does Autocad concentrate so much on the
manipulation
>of layers at the expense of the manipulation of colors?  God help me if I
>want to "select" all the red objects (only) in my drawing - say, to
change
>the lineweight to a heavier pen, like the green one...Sure, there are
Lisp
>routines written to fill this obvious gap, but I've got Lt95.
A simpler method is to leave the color of entities set to bylayer, then
just change the color of the layer, using the layer command or ddlmodes.