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Subject: SQL for Windows 95 -- From: "Don, Marion & Grant Gibson"
Subject: PEC (Singapore) need a CAD programmer -- From: PEC
Subject: Help! Need HI drivers for ACLT + WIN NT! -- From: hgp
Subject: "PROTECTION, VALIDATION, SECURITY, DISTRIBUTION, PIRACY..." -- From: pete17@tribeca.ios.com
Subject: Psout & Paper space -- From: "sparky@accelnet.com"
Subject: Re: SummaSketch III problems on R12 Dos -- From: "neil tull"
Subject: Re: Win 32's requested in win95 -- From: davidr505@aol.com
Subject: Re: Help w/AutoCad R12_c4 for Win running on Win NT 4.0 -- From: davidr505@aol.com
Subject: Re: SummaSketch III problems on R12 Dos -- From: idaho@vnet.net (Marshall Caudle)
Subject: real time zoom -- From: Pmar7855@uriacc.uri.edu (Peter Martin)
Subject: Re: Faxing -- From: davidr@fast.net@fast.net
Subject: Re: RUNNING R12 UNDER WIN95? -- From: davidr@fast.net@fast.net
Subject: Re: Faxing -- From: dyoung@mcwi.com (Darren Young)
Subject: Re: Books For Desktop -- From: dyoung@mcwi.com (Darren Young)
Subject: HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL! -- From: "Sergei M. Komarov"
Subject: Re: Unpurgable! -- From: culprb@aol.com (Culprb)
Subject: Paper Space - Biggest Autocad Blinder!!!! -- From: "XSales"
Subject: Re: FOR SALE Autocad R13C4 and Mech Desktop -- From: "Owen Wengerd"
Subject: Re: Novell Broadcast msg and ACAD12 -- From: Trout
Subject: Re: Mech. Desktop - Large Model - -- From: Trout
Subject: Re: Paper Space - Biggest Autocad blunder # -- From: "XSales"
Subject: Re: Paper Space - Biggest Autocad blunder -- From: "XSales"
Subject: Handling directory names in AutoLISP -- From: jloef@alumni.engin.umich.edu (John Loeffler)
Subject: Re: Paper Space - Biggest Autocad blunder -- From: "XSales"
Subject: Re: Paper Space - Biggest Autocad blunder -- From: "XSales"
Subject: Re: FOR SALE Autocad R13C4 and Mech Desktop -- From: dyoung@mcwi.com (Darren Young)
Subject: Re: Plotting Grid Dots? -- From: Fred Weaver
Subject: WISH YOU A HAPPY NEW YEAR -- From: hopltd@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in(G Rajesh)
Subject: WISH YOU A HAPPY NEW YEAR -- From: hopltd@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in(G Rajesh)
Subject: Re: Paper Space - Biggest Autocad blunder -- From: dyoung@mcwi.com (Darren Young)
Subject: group-add-bug in AutoCADr13c4a -- From: "Ed van den Enden"
Subject: Re: Summa flickering cursor/hesitation problem -- From: bfeuchuk@jumppoint.com (Bruce Feuchuk)
Subject: HI plotting with Autosketch -- From: "Stephen Kroeze"
Subject: Re: Win 32's requested in win95 -- From: "XSales"
Subject: Re: Mech. Desktop - Large Model - -- From: Ken Dresser
Subject: Re: Can LISP routines be loaded when Autocad starts ? -- From: Mike Wallace
Subject: Re: NEED HELP IN AUTOCAD r13c4 -- From: Mike Wallace
Subject: Mutoh IP-500 driver needed -- From: dastex@dastex.nl (dastex data)
Subject: Re: WISH YOU A HAPPY NEW YEAR -- From: Lynn Caron
Subject: AutoCAD History -- From: cds59@mail.idt.net (Shawn L. Bradley)

Articles

Subject: SQL for Windows 95
From: "Don, Marion & Grant Gibson"
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 22:43:27 -0500
We are currently trying to import data from a Paradox database into an 
AutoCad r13 in windows 95 model. We are unable to locate an sql to allow 
us to do this. We have found one for Windows 3.1 and for Windows NT but 
of course neither of those will work.
Does anyone have a source for this? Any help would be greatly 
appreciated.
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Subject: PEC (Singapore) need a CAD programmer
From: PEC
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 11:13:18 -0800
Requirement:
1.	Diploma of Mechanical Engineering or Computer Science;
2.	Knowledge of MS visual C++ programming;
3.	Knowledge of AutoCAD R12/R13;
4.	Fresh graduate also welcome;
5.	Singapore Citizens or PRs.
Responsibility:
1.	Installation and maintenance of CAD systems;
2.	Development and technical support of applications;
3.	Draughting for CAD projects;
4.	Training CAD system user.
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Subject: Help! Need HI drivers for ACLT + WIN NT!
From: hgp
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 23:47:19 -0800
Help! I just bought an HI DMP-52 plotter and ACLT 95. I'd like
to use Win NT 4.0. Does anyone have any drivers, by any chance?
The one for WIN 95 doesn't want to install...
Thanks,
Howard G. Page
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Subject: "PROTECTION, VALIDATION, SECURITY, DISTRIBUTION, PIRACY..."
From: pete17@tribeca.ios.com
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 03:42:32 -0500
PROTECTION, VALIDATION, SECURITY, DISTRIBUTION...
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Windows(R) based programmer toolkit that helps software developers (and
not professionals) implement remote authentification of software.
This product was designed to facilitate CD-ROM distribution or
electronic distribution of software packages. The product allows a
developer to place fully working copyable (or protected) versions of
this software into non-retail distribution channels with remote
authorization and automatic registration features.
Should the consumer wish to review/purchase the product an exchange of
encrypted passwords (all handled by package) allows this to happen via
telephone or fax/modem.
Since then the distributed demo becomes the fully workeable version.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Additional features:
1. NON-developers could protect any program in DOS/Windows environment
without knowing any source code.
2. Protects DATABASES, DOCUMENTS, associated files.
3. Allows you to protect distributed packages also by "Number_of_Run"
limits, and/or by "Date_Limits" (relative or absolute).
4. Company offers custom file/program protection for individual users in
various applications, languages, platforms.
Ask distributor for more info:   pete17@tribeca.ios.com
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Subject: Psout & Paper space
From: "sparky@accelnet.com"
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 15:15:06 -0800
Will psout properly fill closed polylines (psfilled-rgbcolor) being 
displayed in a view in paperspace? any help would be appreciated.
				Thankyou
				Jeff
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Subject: Re: SummaSketch III problems on R12 Dos
From: "neil tull"
Date: 31 Dec 96 06:28:02 GMT
 I recently purchased a Summasketch III 12x12 w/16button puck.  I use it in
 Win95 through the proxy driver.  However, I have not been able to align it
 correctly in R12 for DOS.  When I push the cursor up to the top left
corner
 of the screen, the puck is still a good quarter to half inch away from the
 tablet's top left corner.  My video card is a Matrox Millenium.  I'm using
 the R12 drivers that came with it when I bought it in late September(don't
 know if that really effects it though).  I loaded the tablet in protected
 mode I believe.  I couldn't get it to load in real(I think that's what the
 other mode was called).  Any help would be appreciated.  I've emailed
 SummaGraphics to no avail, and my father(who's used to dealing with
 AutoCad's little problems) has not been able to take a look.  I'm fairly
 technical minded, but I've only used Cad for about five months now, and
 only had the tablet for one month(first time I've ever dealt with one).  I
 can get the tablet to configure, but since it's not aligned properly, my
 guides do me no good.  I tried using the reset software utility(yes I did
 it in the MicroGrid/16 button format).  I also exit to DOS on Win 95.  I
 also have the real DOS 6.22 on my machine and I've skipped Win95 and gone
 straight in to previous version of DOS.  Same problem.  Any help would be
 appreciated as the time Cad takes me with a mouse is laughable.  I don't
 want to find out I wasted $230 on this tablet(I'm just passed the 30 day
 return policy).  
 					Thanx in advance,
 						Neil Tull
 	p.s. please email replies to:  tullnd@ucunix.san.uc.edu
 				or:  neil@pinky-and-the-brain.com
 				or:  tultek@theonramp.net
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Subject: Re: Win 32's requested in win95
From: davidr505@aol.com
Date: 31 Dec 1996 11:15:43 GMT
In article <32C49EAB.1181@ibm.net>, Michael Melaney 
writes:
>I have a problem..... I recently purchased a new computer with Windows 
>95 preinstalled. I attempted to install Autocad 13, and it said I did 
>not have my Win32's installed and Autocad would not work without 
>them....What Do I Do?
>
>Thanks 
>
>melaney@ibm.ne
Use the Setup program on the CD not the Personalization disk.
Regards,
Dave
Internet:
DavidR505@aol.com
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Subject: Re: Help w/AutoCad R12_c4 for Win running on Win NT 4.0
From: davidr505@aol.com
Date: 31 Dec 1996 11:15:45 GMT
In article <01bbf5c6$546cb240$69ea1fcc@winnt40>, "Jim Stromberg"
 writes:
>I recently upgraded my computer whose operating system is Win NT 4.0.  I
>loaded AUTOCAD 12_C4 for Windows with no problem.  However, I've
>experienced one problem.  When I change the view with Zoom, Pan, etc.,
the
>drawing image disappears until I enter the Regen command.  This may be an
>incompatibility with the video driver, though I'm not sure.
>
>Has anyone else experienced this problem?
>Can anyone help with a solution?
>
>
Try reconfiguring the video and uncheck the GDI Bypass check box.
HTH
Regards,
Dave
Internet:
DavidR505@aol.com
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Subject: Re: SummaSketch III problems on R12 Dos
From: idaho@vnet.net (Marshall Caudle)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 96 12:17:52 GMT
On 12/31/96 1:28AM, in message <01bbf6e3$8bee9b20$0a10020a@hal>, "neil tull" 
 wrote:
    > 
    > 
    >  I recently purchased a Summasketch III 12x12 w/16button puck.  I use it in
    >  Win95 through the proxy driver.  However, I have not been able to align it
    >  correctly in R12 for DOS.  When I push the cursor up to the top left
    > corner
    >  of the screen, the puck is still a good quarter to half inch away from the
    >  tablet's top left corner.  My video card is a Matrox Millenium.  I'm using
    >  the R12 drivers that came with it when I bought it in late September(don't
    >  know if that really effects it though).  I loaded the tablet in protected
    >  mode I believe.  I couldn't get it to load in real(I think that's what the
    >  other mode was called).  Any help would be appreciated.  I've emailed
    >  SummaGraphics to no avail, and my father(who's used to dealing with
    >  AutoCad's little problems) has not been able to take a look.  I'm fairly
    >  technical minded, but I've only used Cad for about five months now, and
    >  only had the tablet for one month(first time I've ever dealt with one).  I
    >  can get the tablet to configure, but since it's not aligned properly, my
    >  guides do me no good.  I tried using the reset software utility(yes I did
    >  it in the MicroGrid/16 button format).  I also exit to DOS on Win 95.  I
    >  also have the real DOS 6.22 on my machine and I've skipped Win95 and gone
    >  straight in to previous version of DOS.  Same problem.  Any help would be
    >  appreciated as the time Cad takes me with a mouse is laughable.  I don't
    >  want to find out I wasted $230 on this tablet(I'm just passed the 30 day
    >  return policy).  
    >  
    >                   Thanx in advance,
    >                       Neil Tull
    >  
    >   p.s. please email replies to:  tullnd@ucunix.san.uc.edu
    >               or:  neil@pinky-and-the-brain.com
    >               or:  tultek@theonramp.net
    > 
----------------------------------------------------
Until I upgraded my system, I had a similar problem with a GTCO Ultima tablet.  I 
finally traced the problem to a conflict between my digitizer and my video card (a 
Renegade by Appian Technologies).  A real nightmare as GTCO blamed Appian and Appian 
blamed GTCO (translation - neither had any idea what the problem was and really 
weren't too interested in finding a solution to my problem).  I never did solve the 
problem so when I upgraded my system I decided to try a Matrox Video Card - no 
problem so far.  I would dump the digitizer and try another, but from what I read in 
this newsgroup, no single manufacturer seems to have all the problems solved using a 
digitizer with AutoCAD.  I sometimes wonder if the real problem is that AutoCAD is 
moving away from allowing the use of a digitizer in favor of strictly a mouse based 
system! 
Anyway I did discover that on my old system when I configured the digitizer, if I 
went through the whole configure process using the closest points I could and then 
repeated the whole process - the second time I could pick the corners exactly.  GTCO 
never could explain this.  They had never heard of this problem and said that it 
made no sense.  That may be, but I know it was a fact!
Marshall Caudle
Monroe, NC
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Subject: real time zoom
From: Pmar7855@uriacc.uri.edu (Peter Martin)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 12:46:03 GMT
Does anyone out there know how to change the properties of real time
zoom in R13c4a to make it zoom with more magnitude?  I want to change
it so that i can zoom all the way out of a drawing if I am all the way
in very quickly.
Thanks,
Peter Martin     12.31.96
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Subject: Re: Faxing
From: davidr@fast.net@fast.net
Date: 31 Dec 1996 12:55:42 GMT
Get OS/2 and use Faxworks.  Enjoy your computer more!!
In <01bbf690$510dc100$57024ac3@p150>, "Jyrki Saloniemi"  writes:
>
>
>Coriell  wrote in article
><32C483A0.1EE6@sprintmail.com>...
>> Jerry Walter wrote:
>> > 
>> > Garry D. Knapp wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I'd expect this has been asked a million time s before, but as I am
>new
>> > > to any newsgroups (only a few days) I'd like to know if there are any
>> > > simple ways of faxing drawings directly from Acad (R13c4) The only
>way
>> > > i've come across sofar has been to paste a drawing or section
>thereof,
>> > > into a word document and carry on with the fax from there. But, if i
>> > > wanted to create plots and send them as seen, can I?
>> > >
>> > > gk
>> > > Toronto, Canada.
>> > 
>> > How about "printing" to the fax device ?
>> > 
>> > Jerry
>> 
>> change your settings in the printer to be defaulted to your fax and then 
>> print to your fax.  
>> 
>> Coriell
>> 
>But how you can fax several pages within one fax-connection?
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Subject: Re: RUNNING R12 UNDER WIN95?
From: davidr@fast.net@fast.net
Date: 31 Dec 1996 12:56:34 GMT
Screw it, just use OS/2!!
In <01bbf6a9$44193830$2c04f5a1@r06718>, "DAVE BOWEN"  writes:
>Does any one know if it is poss. to run autocad r12 for dos under win95
>without shelling
>out to dos?	
>			Designer@burgoyne.com		
>			thanks
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Subject: Re: Faxing
From: dyoung@mcwi.com (Darren Young)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 07:23:26 -0600
In article <01bbf690$510dc100$57024ac3@p150>, jyrki.saloniemi@tre.ains.fi 
says...
> But how you can fax several pages within one fax-connection?
Software such as Winfax will allow you to save these Faxed prints in 
folders and later can be attached to allow this.
Sincerely,
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Subject: Re: Books For Desktop
From: dyoung@mcwi.com (Darren Young)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 07:21:54 -0600
In article <32C8327B.22AA@intercall.com>, fopalka@intercall.com says...
> Does anyone know of any sources for good AutoCAD Mechanical Desktop
> books?  Please supply either authors or publishers.  Thanks.
Autodesk publishes a Mechanical Desktop Training Kit.  Contact your 
dealer or Autodesk for details.
Sincerely,
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Subject: HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!
From: "Sergei M. Komarov"
Date: 31 Dec 1996 15:26:56 +0200
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Subject: Re: Unpurgable!
From: culprb@aol.com (Culprb)
Date: 31 Dec 1996 14:25:56 GMT
>> Maybe, but Msta is INCAPABLE of accurately drawing and dimensioning
>> angles.
>Wrong ole foolish acad user. You don't know how to use the software !!!
Msta uses a connect-the-dot approach to placing elements (UOR), if your
line happens to end between the dots, its endpoint is moved to the nearest
dot.  That is NOT accurate. I repeat, Msta, because of the FLAW in this
concept, is INCAPABLE of ACCURATELY drawing or dimensioning angular
elements.  What portion of this statement is WRONG.
Randy
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Subject: Paper Space - Biggest Autocad Blinder!!!!
From: "XSales"
Date: 31 Dec 1996 14:36:27 GMT
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I am not in a CAD war either, but by posting the difficulties we CAD users
are having this might get the attention of Autodesk in moving much faster
in improving Autocad product.     As I said in my posting I'm an avid
Autocad user, 99% of the projects I have worked with is in Autocad.  I
could not help but compare the milestone of Microstation superiority over
Autocad. 
Recently I was faced with the challenge of using PS, which I normally aid
to do.   The Drawing size is just about 1MB.  I have 4 viewports to begin
with, autoregen set at off.   The whole time I was working on the drawing
was a crawl.  It was even hard to distinguish if the system might already
be lockup.  
My bottomline again is PS is not a usable tool nor a workable tool at its
state right now.  Autodesk must concentrate in improving its 'xref'
features and probably incorporate what it might have learn about PS.
Paper Space - Biggest Autocad Blinder!!!!
----------
> From: Vladimir Nesterovsky 
> To: ALEX SALES 
> Subject: Re: Paper Space - Biggest Autocad blunder 
> Date: Tuesday, December 31, 1996 1:56 AM
> 
> Hello, and Happy New Year.
> 
> I'm not in CAD wars, I don't care what's the name of a
> program I'm using. I just wanted to show you how to avoid
> regens and NOT wait minutes while in PS. In case you've
> overlooked this -- just hit ^C and do another regen.
> Now the VIEWPORT contents will be only REDRAWn.
> That's it. You just need to practice more discipline
> while in PS, naming views and all. If you just want
> to move around without having to pay attention to all this
> stuff, well, I'm with you here. I want it too. It's just
> that ACAD won't let us.
> 
> Good luck,
> --
>  Vladimir Nesterovsky      LISP/C/C++ etc.
>    12/30/96 22:56:07
> 
> On Sun, 29 Dec 1996 14:15:02 -0500  ALEX SALES wrote:
> >I appreciate very much your response to my posting.
> >
> >You have just demonstrated with your long article how Autocad presented
PS
> >as a great tool but the most ineffective in terms of moving around the
> >drawing.   I dont think a computer user (for any application at all) has
> >the patience to wait minutes just  to make the next entry in their
> >application.   If the problem of autocad regenerating is just a hardware
> 
> 
> 
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I am not in a CAD war either, but by = posting the difficulties we CAD users are having this might get the = attention of Autodesk in moving much faster in improving Autocad = product.     As I said in my posting I'm an avid = Autocad user, 99% of the projects I have worked with is in Autocad. =  I could not help but compare the milestone of Microstation = superiority over Autocad.

Recently I was faced with the = challenge of using PS, which I normally aid to do.   The = Drawing size is just about 1MB.  I have 4 viewports to begin with, = autoregen set at off.   The whole time I was working on the = drawing was a crawl.  It was even hard to distinguish if the system = might already be lockup.  

My bottomline again is PS is not = a usable tool nor a workable tool at its state right now.  Autodesk = must concentrate in improving its 'xref' features and probably = incorporate what it might have learn about PS.

Paper Space - = Biggest Autocad Blinder!!!!


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> From: Vladimir = Nesterovsky <vnestr@netvision.net.il>
> To: ALEX SALES <asales@erols.com>
> Subject: Re: Paper Space - Biggest = Autocad blunder
> Date: Tuesday, December 31, 1996 1:56 = AM
>
> Hello, and Happy New Year.
>
> I'm not = in CAD wars, I don't care what's the name of a
> program I'm = using. I just wanted to show you how to avoid
> regens and NOT = wait minutes while in PS. In case you've
> overlooked this -- just = hit ^C and do another regen.
> Now the VIEWPORT contents will be = only REDRAWn.
> That's it. You just need to practice more = discipline
> while in PS, naming views and all. If you just = want
> to move around without having to pay attention to all = this
> stuff, well, I'm with you here. I want it too. It's = just
> that ACAD won't let us.
>
> Good luck,
> = --
>  Vladimir Nesterovsky =      LISP/C/C++ etc.
> <vnestr@netvision.net.il>   12/30/96 22:56:07
>
> On = Sun, 29 Dec 1996 14:15:02 -0500  ALEX SALES wrote:
> >I = appreciate very much your response to my posting.
> >
> = >You have just demonstrated with your long article how Autocad = presented PS
> >as a great tool but the most ineffective in = terms of moving around the
> >drawing.   I dont think = a computer user (for any application at all) has
> >the = patience to wait minutes just  to make the next entry in = their
> >application.   If the problem of autocad = regenerating is just a hardware
>
>
>

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Subject: Re: FOR SALE Autocad R13C4 and Mech Desktop
From: "Owen Wengerd"
Date: 31 Dec 1996 14:35:51 GMT
George:
  You may not be aware that Autodesk recently began enforcing the
"non-transferrable" part of the AutoCAD license.  The current policy is
that you *CANNOT* transfer a license except in cases of the license
holder's death or when one company buys another (although they say they may
consider transfers for other reasons on a case-by-case basis).
  I think this change should be more widely publicized, so that the
appropriate accounting changes can be implemented. :)
-- 
 Owen Wengerd   [ManuSoft]
 ** AutoCAD Wizard At Large **
 http://www.manusoft.com
 owenw@manusoft.com
 Compuserve: 71324,3252
-----
George Brandon  wrote in article
<32c893f1.4448400@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
> I am changing out one of my design stations to test Solid Works.  I
> have a fully registered and upgradeable copy of Autocad R13C4 for
> windows or dos and Mechanical Desktop.  If you are interested please
> email gbrandon@ix.netcom.com.  Please only serious interest should
> respond.
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Subject: Re: Novell Broadcast msg and ACAD12
From: Trout
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 09:48:33 -0800
vincem wrote:
> 
> Does anybody know of a way to receive Novell broadcast messages while running ACAD12 for DOS.  The messages lock up the machine and do not 
display.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Vince Miele
> Network Administrator
> Con-Vey/Keystone
> 
> convey@rosenet.net
 There is no way I know of to recieve the message but hit
CTRL-ENTER to clear the lock up.
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Subject: Re: Mech. Desktop - Large Model -
From: Trout
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 09:45:35 -0800
Ken Dresser wrote:
> 
> If I create a relatively small parametric model, change a dimension and
> do an update everything works as expected.  So, I created a rather large
> model and when I pick UPDATE, AutoCad crashes with NO error messages.
> 
> I'm running Designer R2, Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (no service packs
> installed) Autocad R13C4 on a 133Mhz Pentium, 128MB of memory and up to
> 1GB of virtual memory.
> 
> Suggestions??
I think you need more memory.
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Subject: Re: Paper Space - Biggest Autocad blunder #
From: "XSales"
Date: 31 Dec 1996 15:11:59 GMT
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I am surprise by your response.  While it is obvious that the intent of PS
is to show different parts of the drawing file in different scale,  I must
have miss a new feature about orientation in viewports being flexible and
powerful.
I think plotting is a different whole issue in this matter.  The whole
intent  of PS is not to make plotting easier by setting things in a 1:1
scale.   The basic intent was to present a drawing in different views,
scale, customize each vport, thaw/freeze layers different for each vport
without having to draw the same entities.   Therefore, we expect that
Autocad should be able to handle effectively multiple viewports.  I just
wonder the horror of CAD users who are using 3D.
Try facing yourself with a moderate size drawing, say 1MB.  2D, PS with 4
viwports, autoregen off.  Try customizing each vport and experience how the
program crawl.   May I remind you that my experience in this situation is
not pushing Autocad to the limit, but a simple reality in what you face in
trying to make your drawing an effective communication tool.   
In this case the best trick is to copy over the same drawing, scale details
to your liking,  re-draw the rest of the files, and most important remain
in MS!!
Paper Space - Biggest Autocad blunder !!!
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I am surprise by your response. =  While it is obvious that the intent of PS is to show different = parts of the drawing file in different scale,  I must have miss a = new feature about orientation in viewports being flexible and = powerful.

I think plotting is a different whole issue in this = matter.  The whole intent  of PS is not to make plotting = easier by setting things in a 1:1 scale.   The basic intent = was to present a drawing in different views, scale, customize each = vport, thaw/freeze layers different for each vport without having to = draw the same entities.   Therefore, we expect that Autocad = should be able to handle effectively multiple viewports.  I just = wonder the horror of CAD users who are using 3D.

Try facing = yourself with a moderate size drawing, say 1MB.  2D, PS with 4 = viwports, autoregen off.  Try customizing each vport and experience = how the program crawl.   May I remind you that my experience = in this situation is not pushing Autocad to the limit, but a simple = reality in what you face in trying to make your drawing an effective = communication tool.   

In this case the best trick is = to copy over the same drawing, scale details to your liking, =  re-draw the rest of the files, and most important remain in = MS!!

Paper Space = - Biggest Autocad blunder !!!





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Subject: Re: Paper Space - Biggest Autocad blunder
From: "XSales"
Date: 31 Dec 1996 15:26:06 GMT
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I am sure many of us in this newsgroup have had worked on complicated
drawings in various discipline.   I am quite sure however that you could
effectively present your drawings without getting into the hassle of PS.
I find it surprising that USTN could not make a simple angular dimension.  
Randy, I challenge you that your present your details in PS without having
to re-draw the same layout and you will see how the program crawls.
-- 
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I am sure many of us in this newsgroup = have had worked on complicated drawings in various discipline. =   I am quite sure however that you could effectively present = your drawings without getting into the hassle of PS.

I find it = surprising that USTN could not make a simple angular dimension. =  

Randy, I challenge you that your present your details in = PS without having to re-draw the same layout and you will see how the = program crawls.


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ASales
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Subject: Handling directory names in AutoLISP
From: jloef@alumni.engin.umich.edu (John Loeffler)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 10:21:58 -0500
Two questions related to directory names ...
1. Are there any AutoLISP functions which provide a dialog box 
for a user-specified directory, similar to the method of using (getfiled) 
to retrieve the name of a user-specified file? 
I need an AutoLISP-accessible function which:
  - Provides a dialog box interface for selecting directories. 
  - Has features similar to (getfiled):
    -- Arguments for a dialog title and a default directory.
    -- Ability to browse directories and different drives.
  - Returns a directory name for empty or non-empty directories. 
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2. Are there any AutoLISP-accessible functions which check for the
existence of a
user-specified directory, similar to the checking performed by either (getfiled)
or (findfile) function?
Post directly or respond to jloef@alumni.engin.umich.edu .
Thanks,
John
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Subject: Re: Paper Space - Biggest Autocad blunder
From: "XSales"
Date: 31 Dec 1996 15:34:47 GMT
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Sean,
If someone comes in to take your place, you think he/she could understand
how you manage your files without your bible explaining why you did what
your suggesting. 
Autocad should be able to handle the load given that you have sufficient
hardware requirement to run the program (period).  
If that is the case, Autocad should have a separate section calling it
"tricks of the trade".
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Sean,

If someone comes in to = take your place, you think he/she could understand how you manage your = files without your bible explaining why you did what your suggesting. =

Autocad should be able to handle the load given that you have = sufficient hardware requirement to run the program (period). =  

If that is the case, Autocad should have a separate = section calling it "tricks of the trade".


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Subject: Re: Paper Space - Biggest Autocad blunder
From: "XSales"
Date: 31 Dec 1996 15:44:12 GMT
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PS is only a good tool in theory and concept.  In practice, remain in MS.  
Quoting on the articles posted, it makes plotting easier.
With a moderate size drawing (1MB) and 4 vports, Autocad should be able to
handle the load with ease.
Autodesk should be publishing a manual about "PS_tricks of the trade" so we
could get around its ineffectiveness.
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PS is only a good tool in theory and = concept.  In practice, remain in MS.   Quoting on the = articles posted, it makes plotting easier.

With a moderate size = drawing (1MB) and 4 vports, Autocad should be able to handle the load = with ease.

Autodesk should be publishing a manual about = "PS_tricks of the trade" so we could get around its = ineffectiveness.


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Subject: Re: FOR SALE Autocad R13C4 and Mech Desktop
From: dyoung@mcwi.com (Darren Young)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 10:13:34 -0600
>   You may not be aware that Autodesk recently began enforcing the
> "non-transferrable" part of the AutoCAD license.  The current policy is
> that you *CANNOT* transfer a license except in cases of the license
> holder's death or when one company buys another (although they say they may
> consider transfers for other reasons on a case-by-case basis).
Interesting news.  So in other words, Autodesk has pretty much scrapped 
their license transfer policy that they once had in place.
I wonder if this was a result of companies "Buying Used AutoCAD. Any 
Version".  There use to be posts here from a couple.  I would only 
imagine that for a few hundred you could pick up r10, upgrade the license 
and sell r13 at a much higher profit.
Sincerely,
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Subject: Re: Plotting Grid Dots?
From: Fred Weaver
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 08:15:55 -0800
James wrote:
> 
> is there any way to have autocad print the grid dots? this would be really
> useful for printing out, and being able to scetch on the printouts to scale
> easily.
The grid "dots" are not plottable entities. You could place a POINT 
entity at 0,0 and use the ARRAY command to place points at the desired 
grid locations. 
Fred
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Subject: WISH YOU A HAPPY NEW YEAR
From: hopltd@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in(G Rajesh)
Date: 31 Dec 1996 06:05:54 -0800
Dear all,
WISH YOU A HAPPY NEW YEAR.
Cheers
G.Rajesh
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Subject: WISH YOU A HAPPY NEW YEAR
From: hopltd@giasdl01.vsnl.net.in(G Rajesh)
Date: 31 Dec 1996 06:06:16 -0800
Dear all,
WISH YOU A HAPPY NEW YEAR.
Cheers
G.Rajesh
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Subject: Re: Paper Space - Biggest Autocad blunder
From: dyoung@mcwi.com (Darren Young)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 10:23:29 -0600
In article <01bbf72f$77104860$57bea1ce@legend>, asales@erols.com says...
> I am sure many of us in this newsgroup have had worked on complicated
> drawings in various discipline.   I am quite sure however that you could
> effectively present your drawings without getting into the hassle of PS.
PS is not for everyone.  There are places when it is better to use than 
others.  You shouldn't think of PS as a presentation tool, rather a 
productivity tool.  It also allows you to save a lot of disk space.
PS is like any tool.  It works well in some situations and not very well 
in others.  A hammer can't do everything after all.
I don't use paperspace very often, but there are times when I do, that 
using just MS would be a waste of time.  An example of this would be one 
project that we are working on right now.  PS used in conjunction with 
Xref'ing allows me to make a change on just one drawings, and have 10 
other drawings be automaticaly updated.  There's no way, anyone can say 
that updating 10 drawings individualy is more productive than updating 1.  
Yes, maybe the drawing might load a little slower but loading and 
changing 10 drawings isn't really that zippy of an operation.
Later,
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Subject: group-add-bug in AutoCADr13c4a
From: "Ed van den Enden"
Date: 31 Dec 1996 16:13:59 GMT
Hi,
I've written an application in AutoLISP, which makes use of groups (new
AutoCADr13 feature), and discovered a problem with the group-add-command.
Here is a problemdescription and an AutoLISP test-program, which will make
the bug clear.
I hope someone has a solution for this little insect, because my
application is based on adding entities to groups and will be useless
without it.
I hope a real AutoCAD expert will help me out,
oh yeah.........Happy new year to all,
Bas Oversier
Process Developer
Enden Engineering
Eindhoven Holland
Problemdescription:
When a group is made (using the AutoCAD 'group'-command) and contains in
this case one entity (it doesn't matter if the group contains one entity or
more) and we add entities using the 'add'-function from the 'group'-command
AutoCAD crashes after adding 209 entities. 
The problem only occurs when the 'add'-function is executed for about 210
times, not when 210 (or more) entities are add to the group using the
'add'-function only once.
It also doesn't matter if we use more groups to add entities to, it's the
number of entities that count here.
(e.g. when we make 11 groups and add 20 entities per group one by one,
AutoCAD will crash when adding the 9th entity to the 11th group)  
This is the error I get:
Error writing c:\r13\win\SS1269.AC$
Possible causes: open drive door,
disk write protected, network
sharing conflict, device not ready,
operating system out of resources,
other device or system error.
System:
AutoCADr13c4a (Windows95) 
Pentium 100
48 MB
test program:
(defun c:test (/ x1 y1 y2 ent)
;*** when AutoCAD crashes the 'explode group'-command willl be useless
;*** and.....AutoCAD will crash
   (if (= yes 1)(command "._-GROUP" "EXPLODE" "TEST_GROUP" ""))
   (setq x1 0
      y1 0
      y2 10
      yes 1
      teller 1
   )
   (command "._ZOOM" '(0 0 0) '(250 250 0))
   (command "._LINE" (list x1 y1 0) (list x1 y2 0) "")
   (setq ent (entlast))
   (command "._-GROUP" "CREATE" "TEST_GROUP" "" ent "")
   (repeat 250
      (setq x1 (+ x1 10 )
              teller (1+ teller)
      )
      (if (> x1 200)
         (setq x1 0
            y1 (+ y1 20)
            y2 (+ y2 20) 
         )
      )
      (command "._LINE" (list x1 y1 0) (list x1 y2 0) "")
      (setq ent (entlast))
      (command "_.-GROUP" "ADD" "TEST_GROUP" ent "")
      (princ "\n")(princ teller)
   ) 
)
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Subject: Re: Summa flickering cursor/hesitation problem
From: bfeuchuk@jumppoint.com (Bruce Feuchuk)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 17:54:11 GMT
With Deft Fingers, "David E. Gonsalves"  wrote:
>We have several Summa Microgrid tablets in use with WIN95/R13c4 on 486-66
>machines, all of them have at least 32 MB RAM, and most have 64.  I've
>downloaded and installed the latest drivers from the Calcomp/Summagraphics
>Does anyone have a solution or suggestion?  
At work we've 486-66 with Win95 and Acad v13c4 and Summa's v2.1 drivers and
experience the same thing!  We have just gotten use to the fact that with the
slower machines you will experience this.
All we do now is to use the Mouse to do 95% of our drafting and only the
digitizer to select certain commands and all our symbols!  Not as bad as you
would think.  But given time, it is workable.  One of these days, we'll get
the bosses to spring for Pentiums 166's!
 Regards,
  Bruce
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                 part you didn't think was that important!
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Subject: HI plotting with Autosketch
From: "Stephen Kroeze"
Date: 31 Dec 1996 17:18:33 GMT
I think I need a windows driver for Autosketch.  I have a Houston
Instruments plotter.  Anyone have some ideas?
Stephen Kroeze
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Subject: Re: Win 32's requested in win95
From: "XSales"
Date: 31 Dec 1996 17:53:09 GMT
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Install the win32 program which comes with the Autocad program diskettes.
The installation instruction should be clear about it.  At any rate if you
have the 24 diskettes, it should be the last two diskettes.  If you have
the CD rom it should come as a separate setup too for win32.  If my memory
serves me right there is a separate directory for it. 
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Install the win32 program which comes = with the Autocad program diskettes.

The installation instruction = should be clear about it.  At any rate if you have the 24 = diskettes, it should be the last two diskettes.  If you have the CD = rom it should come as a separate setup too for win32.  If my memory = serves me right there is a separate directory for it.


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Subject: Re: Mech. Desktop - Large Model -
From: Ken Dresser
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 12:24:06 -0700
OK.  I suppose more memory might be one thing to try, but there is
no 'swapping' to disk activity that leads me to believe that this
(just less than 4MB) model has used up all of real memory.
The dealer for this copy of AutoCAD has been in touch with Autodesk
and we're sending the file to them at their request.
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Subject: Re: Can LISP routines be loaded when Autocad starts ?
From: Mike Wallace
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 14:08:30 -0500
ROBWILHELM wrote:
> 
> Is it possible to modify a file, so that when I start Autocad, a couple of
> LISP routines that I use often can be loaded automtically ?
> Thanks...Rob
Check out the "APPLOAD" command.
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Subject: Re: NEED HELP IN AUTOCAD r13c4
From: Mike Wallace
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:56:16 -0500
king wrote:
> 
> My printer dialog box or window does not pop up anymore after I hit the printer
> icon.  Instead I get the stuff down at the command line.  I need to use the options
> like preview and stuff that I really cant use in the command line.  What happened
> and how do I get the dialog box or window to pop up again?
> 
> NEED HELP?
> 
> Thanks for your responses!
> 
> TimType in "CMDDIA" at the command prompt and change the value from 0 to 1.
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Subject: Mutoh IP-500 driver needed
From: dastex@dastex.nl (dastex data)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 20:00:35 GMT
PLS who can help at the autocad driver for
plotter MUTOH IP-500
thanks in advance
hans denissen 
dastex@dastex.nl
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Subject: Re: WISH YOU A HAPPY NEW YEAR
From: Lynn Caron
Date: 31 Dec 1996 20:09:31 GMT
Are you an AutoCad employee who responds to questions/concerns in this 
news group?
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Subject: AutoCAD History
From: cds59@mail.idt.net (Shawn L. Bradley)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 22:12:47 GMT
Hello all!
I am doing some research on the history of the CAD industry and I wanted to know a few
basic things about AutoCAD.  I would like to know:
	1)  When was it first released
	2)  Who were the original authors and what was the story behind its conception.  Was it a
Bill Gates/Paul Allen kind of thing, or what?  How exactly did AutoCAD come to be?
	3)  Did the original folks behind AutoCAD anticipate that it would be as successful as it
has and grow as large as it has?
	4)  Anything else interesting about the history of AutoCAD.
Thanks for all your help.
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CADD Design Solutions
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for good men to do nothing. -Edmund Burke
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government.
It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote
themselves money from the Public Treasury.  From that moment on,
the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most
benifits from the Public Treasury with a result that a democracy
always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by a
dictatorship." -Alexander Fraser Tytler
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