Subject: CAD-CAM for drafting career -- help.
From: rugaru@swamp.mud (Ntense)
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 05:43:46 GMT
I am considering enrolling in a technical school to learn how
to use CAD-CAM design tools. Does anybody think I need any prior
knowledge of architecture or "pencil" drafting to become a good
drafter using these tools. Moreover, what would a drafting job entail
as far as the creation of a new design or copying a design another
person has written out in numbers and applying these numbers (length,
size, etc.) into a viewable design? If I entered this field, what
would an average salary be. If anybody knows anything else about
CAD-CAM in the designing aspect of it, please inform me. Thanks.
Michael Bates
rbates@web-net.com
p.s. -- Happy New Year to all.
Subject: Re: Paper Space - Biggest Autocad blunder
From: "XSales"
Date: 2 Jan 1997 05:57:09 GMT
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True it has great function, but have you tied using it. If you did you
must have a great patience waiting several minutes, probably hour, before
you could make you next command entry.
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Subject: Re: Paper Space - Biggest Autocad blunder
From: "XSales"
Date: 2 Jan 1997 05:58:45 GMT
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Whether I wanted to work on a large scale, medium scale, small scale, or an
unorthodox scale ......who cares if that is what my client wants me to
present the drawing!
But I think the discussion here is beyond classroom lectures on how to use
MS, PS, Tilemode, or vports. The issue is: autocad gave me these four
drawing tools and may use them in combination but could not work
effectively together under a reasonable load of commands.
I have a machine that is beyond Autocad's system requirements but crawls
when using Autocad's most celebrated feature -- Paper Space.
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if that is what my client wants me to present the drawing!
But I =
think the discussion here is beyond classroom lectures on how to use MS, =
PS, Tilemode, or vports. The issue is: autocad =
gave me these four drawing tools and may use them in combination but =
could not work effectively together under a reasonable load of =
commands.
I have a machine that is beyond Autocad's system =
requirements but crawls when using Autocad's most celebrated feature -- =
Paper Space.
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Subject: Re: Paper Space - Biggest Autocad blunder
From: "XSales"
Date: 2 Jan 1997 05:59:44 GMT
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Whether I wanted to work on a large scale, medium scale, small scale, or an
unorthodox scale ......who cares if that is what my client wants me to
present the drawing!
But I think the discussion here is beyond classroom lectures on how to use
MS, PS, Tilemode, or vports. The issue is: autocad gave me these four
drawing tools and may use them in combination but could not work
effectively together under a reasonable load of commands.
I have a machine that is beyond Autocad's system requirements but crawls
when using Autocad's most celebrated feature -- Paper Space.
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The intent of PS/MS was to show different views of a 3D model, top, front,
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side, etc. and to annotate such. I challenge you to do that WITHOUT
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I bet you $10,000 that I could do it without using PS...... will you
accept the challenge?
As far a USTN, like autocad you have to set the correct units, limits,
snaps, etc before beginning with a drawing.
In the same token, set the correct UOR before starting your
drawing.....right?
Believe me I am an avid Autocad user, but I remain: PS - Biggest Autocad
Blunder
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PS, Tilemode, or vports. The issue is: autocad =
gave me these four drawing tools and may use them in combination but =
could not work effectively together under a reasonable load of =
commands.
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requirements but crawls when using Autocad's most celebrated feature -- =
Paper Space. =
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As far a USTN, like =
autocad you have to set the correct units, limits, snaps, etc before =
beginning with a drawing.
In the same token, set the correct UOR =
before starting your drawing.....right?
Believe me I am an =
avid Autocad user, but I remain: PS - Biggest Autocad =
Blunder
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ASales
ASales@erols.com
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Subject: Re: Paper Space - Biggest Autocad blunder #
From: "XSales"
Date: 2 Jan 1997 07:25:09 GMT
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If only readers understand first the issues posted in my original posting
they could avoid insulting me giving classrom lectures on basic autocad
commands. I trust I could check most basic questions in the autocad
manuals, thank you very much.
Mr. Jim Schroff, I certainly do not find it amusing wasting my time
responding back to readers of my posting; am I not serious finding valid
answers to a legitimate Autocad problem.
You might want to read Darren Young and Walt Rook's canny response and see
if you may have a better response to them.
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ASales
ASales@erols.com
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In article <01bbf72f$77104860$57bea1ce@legend>, asales@erols.com says...
> I am sure many of us in this newsgroup have had worked on complicated
> drawings in various discipline. I am quite sure however that you could
> effectively present your drawings without getting into the hassle of PS.
PS is not for everyone. There are places when it is better to use than
others. You shouldn't think of PS as a presentation tool, rather a
productivity tool. It also allows you to save a lot of disk space.
PS is like any tool. It works well in some situations and not very well
in others. A hammer can't do everything after all.
I don't use paperspace very often, but there are times when I do, that
using just MS would be a waste of time. An example of this would be one
project that we are working on right now. PS used in conjunction with
Xref'ing allows me to make a change on just one drawings, and have 10
other drawings be automatically updated. There's no way, anyone can say
that updating 10 drawings individually is more productive than updating 1.
Yes, maybe the drawing might load a little slower but loading and
changing 10 drawings isn't really that zippy of an operation.
Later,
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I haven't seen anyone mention the use of the MAXACTVP variable to
control the number of active, and therefore regenerating, viewports.
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| Walt Rook
| CADD Systems Administrator
| System Planning Corporation
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If only readers understand first =
the issues posted in my original posting they could avoid insulting me =
giving classrom lectures on basic autocad commands. I =
trust I could check most basic questions in the autocad manuals, =
thank you very much.
Mr. Jim Schroff, I certainly do =
not find it amusing wasting my time responding back to readers of my =
posting; am I not serious finding valid answers to a legitimate Autocad =
problem.
You might want to read Darren Young and =
Walt Rook's canny response and see if you may have a better response to =
them.
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> I am sure many of us in this newsgroup have had worked =
on complicated
> drawings in various discipline. I am =
quite sure however that you could
> effectively present your =
drawings without getting into the hassle of PS.
PS is not for =
everyone. There are places when it is better to use than =
others. You shouldn't think of PS as a presentation tool, =
rather a
productivity tool. It also allows you to save a lot =
of disk space.
PS is like any tool. It works well in some =
situations and not very well
in others. A hammer can't do =
everything after all.
I don't use paperspace very often, but =
there are times when I do, that
using just MS would be a waste of =
time. An example of this would be one
project that we are =
working on right now. PS used in conjunction with
Xref'ing =
allows me to make a change on just one drawings, and have 10
other =
drawings be automatically updated. There's no way, anyone can say =
that updating 10 drawings individually is more productive than =
updating 1.
Yes, maybe the drawing might load a little slower =
but loading and
changing 10 drawings isn't really that zippy of an =
operation.
Later,
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Subject: Re: Faxing
From: jeeper@halcyon.com (Dennis Shinn)
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 07:45:58 GMT
"Garry D. Knapp" wrote:
>I'd expect this has been asked a million time s before, but as I am new
>to any newsgroups (only a few days) I'd like to know if there are any
>simple ways of faxing drawings directly from Acad (R13c4) The only way
>i've come across sofar has been to paste a drawing or section thereof,
>into a word document and carry on with the fax from there. But, if i
>wanted to create plots and send them as seen, can I?
Yes, it's entirely possible.
If you're running a Windows version of AutoCAD and you have your FAX client
configured as a system printer, configure AutoCAD to use the system printer as
well. Using WinFAX in this manner, when I issue the PLOT command, after
answering the options in the PLOT dialog, when Acad sends the drawing to the
system, WinFAX pops up where you can do your thing with cover sheets and the
like.
I'm running R13c4/NT. Unfortunately I have to do this WinFAX thing locally since
we don't have the network drivers for WinFAX/NT. The rest of the office is on
Win95 - we have one seat of AcadLT in the office (just got it up and running
this week) and we've had excellent success with it + WinFAX so far. Prior to
installing NT, I had equally good results with Win3.11.
It's also possible under DOS but it's been some time since I FAXed that way so
someone with more up to date info should respond to that setup.
Dennis Shinn
Seattle AutoCAD User Group
SAUG-BBS [206] 644-7115 [PCGNet]9:517/215
CAD Systems manager/GLY Construction
Subject: Re: Help getting command line
From: jeeper@halcyon.com (Dennis Shinn)
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 07:46:11 GMT
rreitz@lvnexus.net (Ron Reitz) wrote:
>I have a question, my firm uses Landcadd Site Designer 2, it is a
>standalone landscape design program by Eagle Point Software, they say
>that it is completely compatible with Autocad 12 and it does use the
>Autocad engine, the menu bar is reminiscent if not completely the same
>as the Autocad 12 menu bar. The problem is that there is no command
>line and it is all menu driven, this is quite frustruating. The
>company said it is possible to get it, but they will not tell me .....
This is just a wild guess, but have you tried running the configure command
(Command: config) to see if it's simply a matter of selecting the option for a
command line? This would be a function of your display driver if you're not
using the Windows system driver.
Alternatively, if indeed you're running Windows, check the Misc. tab under
options/preferences and see if you have "Docked visible lines" to something
greater than 0.
Dennis Shinn
Seattle AutoCAD User Group
SAUG-BBS [206] 644-7115 [PCGNet]9:517/215
CAD Systems manager/GLY Construction
Subject: Re: NT and Network Printing
From: jeeper@halcyon.com (Dennis Shinn)
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 07:46:17 GMT
"James" wrote:
>How do i set this up? autocad won't let me choose network ports, only LPT1,
>ect. I can choose system printer, but then it defaults to letter size,
>which is way too small. so i always have to change the printer setup EVERY
>SINGLE TIME I TYPE PLOT.
Change the default size for printer output in Printmanager prior to running the
plot. That's how it works under NT3.51, anyway.
As an alternative you could configure for a specific printer and use the
autospool feature to plot to a network device.
Dennis Shinn
Seattle AutoCAD User Group
SAUG-BBS [206] 644-7115 [PCGNet]9:517/215
CAD Systems manager/GLY Construction
Subject: Re: Paper Space - Biggest Autocad blunder #
From: Morten Warankov
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 12:03:04 +0100
Hi,
It's just too many postings on this subject to find a proper place to
join for a comment, so I just add on the last article.
On my P90/32Mb RAM/ R13c4/NT 4.0 it takes me 4 seconds to do a complete
regen om a 1Mb R13 drawing. With 4 Ms viewports the same command takes 9
seconds.
On the same configuration I loaded R12Win, with a R12 version of the
same drawing. A regen in MS takes 1 minute , and 1m40s with 4 MS
viewports.
In Dos 6.22 I loaded R12dos and did the same procedure, 20 sec/ 1 min.
Since I cannot observe any of the enormous problems the originator have
with a 1 Mb file and 4 Ms viewports, (and none of the +10k drawings my
clients have produced with the same techinque have experienced the
originator's problem) I will still advice all to continue to use PS/MS,
with all it's advantages (and minor disadvantages).
After using MS/PS at several companies for years, I cannot see any
reason for not using PS/MS, although I've experienced some minor
disadvantages and some missing commands/utilities.
If the originator at any time is willing to listen to any advice, I
might as well try to help him out of his problems. :)
Kind regards,
Mortenw.
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Subject: Re: Paper Space - Biggest Autocad blunder
From: "Garry D. Knapp"
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 07:34:08 -0800
XSales wrote:
>
> What is the point of having paperspace if it will take minutes just
> for the drawing to regenerate everytime you sent a command.
So, I'm not the only one!...
Paperspace is ok, it beats trying to compose plots in model space, but
my only complaint is it's speed. It's not too bad on drawings under 1-2
meg, but as the dwg gets larger, so do my coffee breaks as regen times
increase. I've managed to tune it up a bit by limiting the number of
active viewports, but there's still gotta be a better way...
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Garry D. Knapp
Scarborough, Ontario
Canada
http://toronto.planeteer.com/~garryk/
Subject: Re: Paper Space - Biggest Autocad blunder #
From: vnestr@netvision.net.il (Vladimir Nesterovsky)
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 00:10:15 GMT
Morten -- have you used REGEN or REGENALL in your tests?
Seem to mee pretty unlikely those timings you gave (I mean - 4 sec!??).
When you do a 2nd regen and all viewports stay in place, ACAD only
REDRAWs the VP contents. To force the full regen, use REGENALL.
I myself work only in PS as I have described here in c.c.a.
quite a few times for now (anyone can search for it on WWW.DEJANEWS.COM
-- it's so great, we probably don't need FAQ anymore).
When I tried to work with some 12Meg - 7 Xrefs file, it took only
6 minutes ;( on my P150/32M to open in R13c4a/Win95, and then another
6 minutes to quit with terrible sound off my HD swapping. ;)
Allocated memory as reported by SYSMON was 104M (25M before ACAD).
When I opened the file in R12/DOS under Win95, it was only 50M and I
could happily finish the work there, including many regens in PS etc.
As for PS -- I can't plot a rotated map without it, and having local
layer control is just great. In short, PS is *saving* me many regens
all the time.
On Thu, 02 Jan 1997 12:03:04 +0100, - Morten Warankov
wrote in comp.cad.autocad:
>On my P90/32Mb RAM/ R13c4/NT 4.0 it takes me 4 seconds to do a complete
>regen om a 1Mb R13 drawing. With 4 Ms viewports the same command takes 9
>seconds.
> ...
>If the originator at any time is willing to listen to any advice, I
>might as well try to help him out of his problems. :)
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Vladimir Nesterovsky ADS/LISP/C/C++ etc
Subject: Fw: Button Problem with GTCO/AutoCAD 13
From: idaho@vnet.net (Marshall Caudle)
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 97 01:32:58 GMT
-------------------------------Forwarded Message-----------------------------------
> I would like to try this post again.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestion as to how to get the buttons on a GTCO Ultima
> 16
> button puck to work properly. Buttons 1 through 4 will only work properly if
> the
> cursor is moved outside the screen pointing area. According to GTCO, I am
> using the
> proper wintab driver for my operating system (Windows NT). It is a real pain
> to try
> to remember to move the digitizer each time I select "return".
>
> I'm beginning to thing that my only solution is to abandon Release 13 in favor
> of
> Release 12. At least everything worked properly with that release! After
> using
> AutoCAD since release 1.1, I am beginning to think that this might be my last
> upgrade. From what I read in this newsgroup, it seems that AutoCAD is getting
> too
> complicated to work with all the various digitizer a, plotters, and other
> peripheral's that have made AutoCAD so productive. Does anyone else feel this
> way?
>
> Marshall Caudle
> Architect
Subject: Re: PS - Biggest Autocad Blunder
From: culprb@aol.com (Culprb)
Date: 3 Jan 1997 01:41:37 GMT
>>The intent of PS/MS was to show different views of a 3D model, top,
front,
>>side, etc. and to annotate such. I challenge you to do that WITHOUT
>>PS/MS.
>I bet you $10,000 that I could do it without using PS...... will you
>accept the challenge?
Before I take you up on your bet, I want you to read the original
challenge VERY carefully. (Annotate the model, NOT an xref, or a block,
or a solprof, etc.)
Randy
Subject: Re: Autobasic
From: Tim Badger
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 20:21:50 -0500
Jacqueline Poutasse wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'd like to find out if anyone uses Autobasic and what their opinions
> of it might be as far as ease of use, etc. I've been using autocad for
> about 10 years and haven't really ever heard much about it until
> recently.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Jackie Poutasse
> jptasse@mindspring.comHi Jackie, I have been using AutoBASIC for about 6 months and find it
to be very good. It is structured on the lines of Quick Basic, so it is
very easy to use. It also provides DCL support for dialogs. The other
great thing is the ability to use pretty much the same code for R11 to
R13 applications (with obvious exceptions to the quirks of each AutoCAD
release). Basically (no pun intended) it provides much greater power
that AutoLISP, similar to the power of ADS. The only down side I have
run into is it when I was reading information from a large file; parsing
the information and putting into a list. I found it to be actually a
bit slower than using AutoLISP to do the same thing.
Hope this helped.
Subject: Re: PS - Biggest Autocad Blunder
From: culprb@aol.com (Culprb)
Date: 3 Jan 1997 01:52:15 GMT
>The issue is: autocad gave me these four drawing tools and may use them
in >combination but could not work effectively together under a reasonable
load of >commands.
>I have a machine that is beyond Autocad's system requirements but crawls
>when using Autocad's most celebrated feature -- Paper Space.
The key word above may be 'MAY', if you don't like 'em don't use 'em. I
have a P60/32M ram and PS runs just fine for me and what I do (routinely,
4M-8M files, 2-3 XREFs, 3-8 Viewports). The tools ACAD gave work very
effectively together under, what I consider a reasonable load.
You may think that this is beyond a simple tutorial, but most problems
with the software can be solved with just a little education. Technique
is Everything when concerned with productivity, and is usually why one
user is faster than another.
Randy
Subject: Re: Paper Space - Biggest Autocad blunder
From: culprb@aol.com (Culprb)
Date: 3 Jan 1997 02:07:10 GMT
>>The intent of PS/MS was to show different views of a 3D model, top,
front,
>>side, etc. and to annotate such. I challenge you to do that WITHOUT
>>PS/MS.
>I bet you $10,000 that I could do it without using PS...... will you
>accept the challenge?
Before I take you up on your bet, read the original challenge VERY
carefully (Annotate the model, not a solprof, not a block, not an XREF,
etc.)
>As far a USTN, like autocad you have to set the correct units, limits,
>snaps, etc before beginning with a drawing. In the same token, set the
correct >UOR before starting your drawing.....right?
Sure, if I control the UOR setting. However all of my clients have their
on settings, fonts, symbiology, etc., and unfortunately, many of them know
a lot less than I do about Msta. Which leaves me attempting to do
accurate drawing with course settings.
Randy
Subject: Re: Acad buys Softdesk-what does this mean to other 3rd party
From: kdjanz@geocities.com (Kelly Janz)
Date: 3 Jan 1997 03:14:20 GMT
In article <01bbf90d$0b80c4a0$7c7074cf@pentiumpro>, "Tony Tanzillo"
wrote:
>The folks at FCad want a review in CADENCE, but unfortunately,
>it appears that CADENCE has changed some fundamental policies
>with regards to products that compete with Autodesk products.
>
>Regardless of that, I have FCAD here and I'll be reviewing
>it in the near future. The review will be posted on my web
>site, along with reviews of Imagineer, and a number of other
>product offerings that are viable alternatives to AutoCAD.
>
>From only a cursory look at FCAD, it appears that this is
>one product that is going to give Carol Bartz and Co. a real
>headache. In fact, with the right marketing it could put
>a serious dent in Autodesk's market share in very short order.
>
I look forward to hearing what you have to say about it - send a note to
this group and the others when you're ready, because I wouldn't like to
miss it.
Thanks
Kelly Janz
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