Subject: Re: Looking for Early Autocad
From: "Tony Tanzillo"
Date: 3 Jan 1997 06:27:07 GMT
You should beware of the fact that Autodesk is no-longer
honoring license transfers (unless the person who own the
software dies, or is bought out by anohter company).
Hence, if you do purchase a used AutoCAD license, it may
be worthless, since you may not be able to upgrade it.
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Jim Harvey wrote in article <32CC65F0.4A3@hre.com>...
> I'm looking for a very early release of Autocad.
> If anyone has Version 2.5 and is interested in selling it, please
> contact me at ;
>
> jim@hre.com
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
Subject: Re: Re:NT 4.0 and ACAD 13 slows PC
From: "Tony Tanzillo"
Date: 3 Jan 1997 06:56:37 GMT
Rajesh - Congratulations. You have become extremely fluent
in the English language in a matter of days!
I have a message from you here, which was posted last
week, that's barely understandable.
And now, a week later, through some miracle of modern
technology, you are writing perfectly fluent English.
Miracles will never cease. I'd simply love to know what
software you're using to check your grammer and usage.
I could really use something like that.
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G Rajesh wrote in article
<5agjif$irq@lex.zippo.com>...
> skjalg@datacom.no (Skjalg Thorbj=F8rnsen) wrote:
>
> >I've installed NT 4.0 and ACAD r13 on a P166 and 64 MB RAM.
> >
> >After a time of drawing in Autocad the PC gets very slow.
> >When I check the Performance Monitor it shows that the CPU in 100%,
> >now idle time!
> >I work with 2 drawings, each occupies 50%.
> >I have to reboot and then ACAD doesn't respond and I have to do the
> >"END task" at shutdown.
> >Any ideas, is it NT or ACAD?
> >
> >Many thanks
> >
> >Skjalg Thorbj=F8rnsen
>
> Is the workstation using a WinTab digitizer configuration? If it is,
> there is a problem with running multiple sessions of AutoCAD, that
> closing a session doesn't actually close all processes. If you continue
> to open and close sessions of AutoCAD in this way, the orphaned processes
> pile up and eventually choke the system.
>
> As a workaround, try saving your file, then instead of 'quitting'
> autocad, press . This bring up the NT Task List. The current
> window is the first task in the list, and is automatically highlighted.
> Pick | End Task |. NT will tell Autocad to quit. Autocad issues a
> 'Quit', and terminates. Then NT will state that task did not terminate.
> Press | End Task | again, and NT will end the orphaned process.
>
>
> G.Rajesh
> //Autodesk Product Support on the Internet//
>
>
>
>
>
>
Subject: Re: Looking for Early Autocad
From: Jim Harvey
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 01:50:06 -0500
Tony Tanzillo wrote:
>
> You should beware of the fact that Autodesk is no-longer
> honoring license transfers (unless the person who own the
> software dies, or is bought out by anohter company).
>
> Hence, if you do purchase a used AutoCAD license, it may
> be worthless, since you may not be able to upgrade it.
Tony Tanzillo wrote:
>
> You should beware of the fact that Autodesk is no-longer
> honoring license transfers (unless the person who own the
> software dies, or is bought out by anohter company).
>
> Hence, if you do purchase a used AutoCAD license, it may
> be worthless, since you may not be able to upgrade it.
Dear Tony:
Thanks for the information. I heard these rumblings , but honestly, I
have no need to upgrade from version 2.5 It does everything that I have
a need to do ( generate drawings for the shop to produce ) I don't need
to layer, surf model, or do any fancy 3d work. Just a simple drawing
generator.
My original version 2.5 ( over 10 years old ) was lost when my HD took
the big dive last month. Naturally I can't locate any of the disk(s) for
replacement on my new drive, hence, to search for someone who might have
this (for them) hopelessly outdated version of the only CAD program that
I have ever been comfortable working with.
I suppose that if AUTODESK wants to be Hitlerian about it, they will
scare off anyone who might be interested in selling an older version (
10 years old!) But I figure that I might just get lucky and find someone
who is willing to part with their copy of the program.
Thanks again.
Jim Harvey
Subject: Re: AutoCad Internet Utilities Release 1 Error
From: "Tony Tanzillo"
Date: 3 Jan 1997 07:30:17 GMT
I just realized that the error message you're getting
(if you typed it into the message correctly), refers to
a file called "DS_DWF.DILL".
Is this really the name of the file it gives, or is the
extension actually '.DLL' ? If the error message really
does say ".DILL", then there's a problem with the
installation, and you will need to edit your .CFG file to
fix it.
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BRADLY H. FACKRELL wrote in article
<32CC8909.7609@bcpl.lib.md.us>...
> I am running Autocad R13c4a under Windows 95 and have Netscape 3.01 Gold
> loaded.
>
> I am attempting to run Autocad Internet Utilities Release 1. When
> configuring the video display, I choose the "'WHIP/DWF' - HEIDI(TM)
> w/DWF Internet support" option and I get the following message:
> Error Loading
> c:\r13\win\ds_dwf.dill
>
> What is causing this to happen? If I have confugured it right should I
> have new icons on my AutoCad screen?
>
> Thanks
> Brad
>
Subject: Re: 4 a LISP pro -1
From: "Tony Tanzillo"
Date: 3 Jan 1997 10:22:00 GMT
Sorry, but part of the message I wrote on this was
chopped off.
The only way to do what you want, aside from the
the method I posted already would be like this:
(eval
(cons 'defun
(cons global
'( (setq a (getpoint)) ...)
)
)
)
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Mettle1 wrote in article
<19970102004900.TAA27247@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> I would like to set a global symbol, containing say 40 variables, to be
> used as the "argument-list" to the defun statement. Then when I write a
> program, I would use variables defined only in the global symbol, and I
> would not have to make a list of local variables. (defun c:XXX
(predefined
> local variables) expr ) Isn t the argument-list just a list? (defun sym
> argument-list expr .) I can t figure out how to do it. Here s what I
> thought would work.
>
> ;; make symbol called GLOBAL, setup with 3 symbols I want to use as local
> variables for all lisp commands.
> Command: (setq GLOBAL (list '/ 'A 'B 'C))
> (/ A B C)
> Command: !global
> (/ A B C)
> Command: (type global)
> LIST
>
> ;;OK, so GOBAL is a list (/ A B C), looks like what I want, but when I
try
> to feed it to defun:
>
> Command: (defun c:Z GLOBAL (setq A (getpoint)))
> Error: bad argument type*Cancel*
> Command: (defun c:Z 'GLOBAL (setq A (getpoint)))
> C:Z
> Command: z
> Error: incorrect number of arguments to a function*Cancel*
> Command: (eval 'GLOBAL)
> (/ A B C)
> Command: (defun c:Z (eval 'GLOBAL) (setq A (getpoint)))
> C:Z
> Command: z
> Error: incorrect number of arguments to a function*Cancel*
> I m trail & erred out. Can this be done?
>
> Bruce Cox, METTLE GROUP tool design.
>
>
>
Subject: Re: I think we should start a new news group????
From: (Reini Urban)
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 11:24:38 GMT
tmc3@gnn.com (albert einstein) wrote:
>My understanding, and I could be wrong, was that this "elected"
>individual was affiliated with a consulting company (firm) and was
>attempting to get contacts for consulting work. I have been
>involved in many different user groups for the last 15 years and
>every time that a vendor, consultant, etc. got involved the group
>went to shit.
1) This type of discussion is usually done in alt.cad
2) Dont agree with your second sentence.
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(defun tail (l n)
(cond ((zerop n) l)
(t (tail (cdr l) (1- n)))))
Subject: Re: AutoLISP Question - Creating Complex Entities ???
From: (Reini Urban)
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 11:24:41 GMT
cyberben@total.net wrote:
>I'm stuck with a problem... I want to create a complex entity (an
>anonymous block) but nothing works yet. Here's the partial code coming
>from an if command which fails:
> (progn
> (entmake (list (0 . "BLOCK")
> (2 . "*U")
> (cons 8 DEF_LAYER_1)
> (cons 10 (list 0.0 0.0 0.0))
> (70 . 1)
here a ' is missing^, but that's possibly a typo
> )
> )
> (entmake (list (cons 0 "LINE")
> (cons 8 DEF_LAYER_2)
> (cons 10 PT1)
> (cons 11 PT2)
> )
> )
> (entmake (list (cons 0 "LINE")
> (cons 8 DEF_LAYER_2)
> (cons 10 PT1a)
> (cons 11 PT2a)
> )
> )
> (entmake '((0 . "ENDBLK")))
here its better to assign the return value to a symbol, because
otherwise its difficult to get the blockname.
> );progn
haven't checked your code yet, if it works for me, according the manual
it should do. Of course you have to get the blocjkname from the last
(entmake) and INSERT it too (as in the manual).
>Also, I tried to access the subentities nested within a block to
>understand the structure but couldn't find any way. When I try the
>normal (entnext) from the entity name of a block, I get other object
>in the drawing not the one nested in the selected block.
That's really strange. Must be an error. It only happened to me with an
buggy old ACADLC.EXP (for R11).
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(defun tail (l n)
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(t (tail (cdr l) (1- n)))))
Subject: Re: Vital LISP 2.0 Question ???
From: (Reini Urban)
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 11:24:39 GMT
"Tony Tanzillo" wrote:
>You see, Delphi and Borland C++ compilers use the same
>back-end, and it's code optimization is the best in the
>industry.
>
>I also use Watcom C/C++ (10.5), and I've coded the same
>algorithims in it, VC++ 4.0, AND Object Pascal, and the
>Object Pascal version was verifiably the fastest.
Very interesting!
Have you benched gcc++ too with full optimization?
This is usually the compiler with the best optimization.
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(t (tail (cdr l) (1- n)))))
Subject: Re: Paper Space - Biggest Autocad blunder #
From: Morten Warankov
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 12:34:10 +0100
Vladimir Nesterovsky wrote:
>
> Morten -- have you used REGEN or REGENALL in your tests?
Both, to regen a single viewport I use REGEN; to regen the complete
model I use REGENALL.
> Seem to mee pretty unlikely those timings you gave (I mean - 4 sec!??).
If you don't beleive me, send me a crypted routine that takes the time
before and after the regen (regenall). With crypted result if you like
and I'll send you the result.
> When you do a 2nd regen and all viewports stay in place, ACAD only
> REDRAWs the VP contents. To force the full regen, use REGENALL.
That's what I did, Vladimir.
>.....(snip)
>
> When I tried to work with some 12Meg - 7 Xrefs file, it took only
> 6 minutes ;( on my P150/32M to open in R13c4a/Win95, and then another
> 6 minutes to quit with terrible sound off my HD swapping. ;)
There you got it!!!
My model of 3.5 Mb takes 40 seconds to load.
When Autocad starts swapping to your HD you've mangaed to give yourself
a coffee break. :)
Depending on you aims:
1. Continue as is, and you'll have a lot of coffee breaks.
2. Give Acad as much of your resources as possible; i.e. don't load half
of your programmes on you PC before starting Acad.
3. There are two kind of HD swapping.
One that sounds like a coffee break, and one that sounds like a trip to
your store to buy a new HD (sounds like you're describing the second).
The first one should rarely occur, and when it does it should be to a
_fixed_ swap file of 200-500 Mb depending on your RAM (I'm not kiddin').
The second should _never_ occur, and occurs mainly because your HD is
fragmented. Run _full_ defragmentation at least once a week, and your
swapping to HD will sound more like a coffe break. If you want the best
performance, place your fixed swap file in the beginning of you HD (I've
never done this since I rarely use the swap file). A regurarly
defragmentation of your HD will decrease the time of file swapping
remarkable.
> Allocated memory as reported by SYSMON was 104M (25M before ACAD).
Autocad allocates what's available, but don't use it all the time, _BUT_
you have only 7 Mb RAM available to Acad before you start it!!!
> When I opened the file in R12/DOS under Win95, it was only 50M and I
> could happily finish the work there, including many regens in PS etc.
Check the setup in R13. R13 works a lot better than R12 in this matter.
_BUT_, why regen at all!
What we are discussing is a self thaught work method which by a little
experiment could be avoided. Check thoroughly when your drawings are
regenerating and check for workarounds. I've worked together with people
with the same size of drawings, the same type of machine, the same
configuration, but used a fragment of time in drawing production. Why?
I'm too lazy to wait for regens, so I find workarounds all the time.
Sincerely,
Mortenw
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Subject: Re: Legal Notice (was: AutoCAD and Parametric Drafting)
From: dyoung@mcwi.com (Darren Young)
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 18:49:22 -0600
In article <32cd4c79.992430@news.tu-graz.ac.at>, (Reini Urban) says...
> Not quite right. You created only your username, thats "dyoung". The
> account was created by your admin, the mcwi.com name by the mcwi admin
> at the com nic.
I actualy created the whole thing. The MCWI.COM is registered to us.
Yes InterNic set it up, but then again, my ISP set up Dyoung as well as
others that I have. But, yes...I don't think it's possible either. Just
I nice thought though.
> copy your e-mail address to my hard disc. Copyrighted e-mail addresses
> would be useless.
Not really. The copyright holder deciedes how, and who can do what with
their work. In the US anyway.
> I dont know if you may disallow copying e-mail adresses to databases,
> that depends on your countries laws. Here in Europe it's forbidden.
> ("Datenschutzgesetz"). You must also tell the specific number of your
Nice idea. I'm sure if we tried that here in the US, it would get all
messed up to the point of being useless.
> You may also ask what other fields and values are stored in that list
> about you (twice a year). Is there such a law in the states?
Not that I'm aware.
> Just the link! Very strange. The scotish judges now inspect if that's
> really a copyright violation. Maybe they will check out that with just a
> hyperlink nothing is "copied"!
There was just a GLOBAL agreement reached (can't recall what org, but
most countries were in on it) that decieded that the temporart copy of a
document that a browser keeps on the PC would not be a copyright
violation.
Anyway, I'm completely off topic now so I'll be quiet.
Later,
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Subject: Re: Autocad 10/ Win95
From: dyoung@mcwi.com (Darren Young)
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 18:56:20 -0600
In article <32CD7A9C.5EFC@scott.net>, mmerk@scott.net says...
> We run Autocad 10 in a DOS environment on a Novell network. We also
> have other software that runs under WIN95 on the same network. Any
> ideas how we can run Autocad 10 under WIN95 or at least in harmony with
> WIN95 on the same machines, possibly using dual boot?
Mike,
I've had very limited sucess with this type of configuration with a
couple of clients. There isn't really much I can suggest. I've tried
the same things with and without luck. Nothing fancy, just playing with
bat file settings and driver loading order. I have always needed to
reboot into DOS more though.
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Subject: Re: Network Plotting in R12 DOS
From: "S. Yoder"
Date: 4 Jan 1997 01:04:09 GMT
Lu wrote in article <32CB525A.14@ix.netcom.com>...
> Alan W. Stiver wrote:
> >
> > Several years ago I was told how to plot to a network printer (HP4) by
> > plotting to a file named, it think, LPT1. Since I've been using
Windows
> > for a couple of years, I forgot exactly how to do this, and now I need
to
> > configure an R12 DOS user. Does anyone remember how this is done?
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> Assuming that you are using Novell, there is a TSR driver with Novell to
> intercept post calls and redirect them to the network. The Comand/file
> is CAPTURE. You will need to lookup the exact usage since I forget it.
>
I had to do this last week:
CAPTURE L=1 Q=server/queuename options
L is for LPT port
Q is the name of your queue. If you are on one server, you can drop
server/ and just give the queue name
options is for NB (no banner), NFF (no form feed), NOTI (notify) etc.
If you or your administrator wants to add this to your login script
you must use #COMMAND. The # calls it to the external command processor.
Enjoy,
Stef
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Subject: Re: Paper/Model Space problem
From: "S. Yoder"
Date: 4 Jan 1997 01:21:26 GMT
glena@bbs.cruzio.com wrote in article ...
> Gosh, I kinda hate to step in to this one, but .... well, why not.
>
> I *like* paperspace as a method to do those stupid, redundant 2D
[snip]
> I'm just doing a simple, kinda lame thing where I want to (in paper
> space) make a leader from a block that just puts the block name as
> the dimension text. I know -- I know -- if I were working *only*
> in model space, this wouldn't be a problem. Well, I'm not, so nah,
> nah (or something equally as grown-up and professional sounding).
Hummm....
I envision something that goes like this:
Enters into MSPACE (no, not tilemode toggling) if not there already
Pause for user select of block
Retrieve name
Goes back to PSPACE
Does the leader thing w/ allowance for user placement
Pops in the text
(Midling amount of error handling scattered thoughout)
Be glad to write it if you buy me a liscense of AutoCad,
seeing as how I'm on LT :)
Enjoy,
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