Subject: Re: Re:Laptop Recommendations for R13
From: "S. Yoder"
Date: 18 Jan 1997 01:59:52 GMT
G Rajesh wrote in article
<5bo4o8$7bc@lex.zippo.com>...
> astrospmis@aol.com (ASTROSPMIS) wrote:
>
> >Our drafting dept. is looking to use R13c4 on a laptop for revisions
> >on the road. Is anyone using R13 under windows3.1 on a laptop out
there???
> >If so, send me some Email & tell me what you are using
> >(model/RAM/processor)
> >and if you had any problems with video. Thanks inadvance!
> >
> >
> >Don Hill.......
> >
>
> Don,
>
> The best config is Pentium 120Mhz , 2 GB harddisk , Active matrix with
32MB
> RAM. There are lot of good models available on the market like Compaq,
> Toshiba , NEC etc.,
>
> G.Rajesh
You can do it with a P100, 1 gig + Zip/Jazz drive, TFT but go for the 12",
and 24 meg. But if they'll buy anything, go for the gold.
Stef
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Subject: Re: Closest $500range competator to AutoCAD?
From: "Stan Thornton"
Date: 18 Jan 1997 00:03:20 GMT
Joe Dunfee wrote in article
<5boo91$pab$1@viper.shadow.net>...
> jdunfee@shadow.net (Joe Dunfee) wrote:
>
> > So... I am looking at alternatives in the $500 range, and have in
> >mind the following...
>
> I have added to my specification list - I want the ability to read
> and write AutoCAD 12 DWG files - and to do it pretty accurately. I
> also want the ability to disply dimensions with both English and an
> alternate unit, Metric.
Joe;
I know that you had 3d capability on your list, but I'd like to mention
Imagineer Technical from Intergraph anyway. While it is only 2d, it will
read all AutoCAD versions and write up to version 12, read/write DXF,
read/write MicroStation. You can program add-ons for it in any
OLE-Automation aware language (VB, C++, Delphi). Is an OLE 2.0 Server and
Container (drag and drop from/into Word and Excel, etc). Lots of
dimensioning tools, parametric relationships, SmartSketch (eliminates snaps
and tentatives), and much more.
It received an nice review from Tony Tanzillo, who is a frequent poster to
this newgroup, as well as numerous others. And it has won numerous awards
this past year as a Version 1.0 product. You can check out the marketing
stuff at http://www.intergraph.com/iss/products/prodtool/cad/
regards;
Stan Thornton
scthornt@ingr.com
Subject: File protected
From: kleng Hodnefjell
Date: 17 Jan 97 19:59:41 +0500
Hello, I have a problem with "file protected" message when I shall save
AutoCad drawings. It is a frustrating problem. Because the way to go is to
save it with another name, then save the current name, and this is no
problem.. I know the feture with "read only" in the "new" & "open" requester,
but this is not the fault.
My setup work in network with an IBM-AS400, and I think that the network is
the problem, because when I save on my own drive, It works perfectly..
Kleng Hodnefjell Norway.
Amiga4k/040/16Fast/1.3GB/4xCD - SigOp in Forum/Hardware at Yggdrasil BBS.
Subject: Re: Printing from LT3.0 to B&W; printers
From: "S. Yoder"
Date: 18 Jan 1997 01:56:53 GMT
Terje Sæbø wrote in article
<01bc0459$9ef22100$af88ed9d@suttung>...
> Maybe a simple problem.
> When printing (and plotting to HPGL files) to a black& white printer in
LT
> 2.0 yellow lines were as visible as dark blue lines. Now in LT 3.0 these
> yellow lines are almost invisible as the printer prints as very light
grey.
> The same problem I have when importing HPGL files into Word. In LT 2.0
the
> drawing was imported in black&white;, but now I have colours, and the same
> problem as above when printing.
>
> I guess there is a very simple solution, so could anyone out there
provide
> a solution.
>
Set all your pens for each color to 7. This is done in the plot dialog
box, under pen settings. You can also "export" these settings to a text
file and use a text editor to change things. This is done in the plot
dialog box, under Device Settings & Default Req and Save Defaults to File.
You can then load the changes to the PCP by using Get Defaults from File.
Enjoy,
Stef
(who's wondering if she should just copy this for future posts to paste in)
:)
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Subject: Re: Line Thickening
From: jdunfee@shadow.net (Joe Dunfee)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 05:31:40 GMT
>"Larry Aaron Weixel" wrote:
>>Is it possible to set the overall thickness of a particular line so that it
>>can be viewed in its "thickened" state on-screen? I have been using trace,
>>but it is too cumbersome. I am presently using R12 for Windows.
>e9325324@stud1.tuwien.ac.at (Werner Platzer) wrote:
>I think, the only way to see a thick line on-screen is, to use
>poly-lines.
I just took over as draftsman at a company where the prior guy
determined line weight by using polyline width. All are single line
segments, not multi-segment polylines. I am wondering if he actually
drew lines using the pline command or perhaps had some sort of LISP
routine that he would use to change all the lines on a particular
layer to plines with a particular width.
While the drawings are quite cumbersome to deal with since some of
the AutoCAD editing commands don't work with plines, such as fillet.
But it did solve some problems... using the plotting service company
was much easier because there were no lists of colors and line weights
to use and when a drawing was plotted at a much smaller than usual
scale - the lines also became finer so you could see the detail.
Subject: Re: Mecanical Desktop
From: kleng Hodnefjell
Date: 17 Jan 97 19:55:00 +0500
>Sorry Kleng but I didn't found it. Once a while, there was a demo
>downloadable at Autodesk (I've downloaded it) but it's quite long ago.
>It was a demo of 1.4Mb (a disk) featuring AutoCad Designer and AutoSurf.
>At this time, there was no mechanical desktop. This came after so AD put
>Designer with a part assembler and AutoSurf and IGES translator in the
>same package called mechanical desktop. There was two release of it say
>R1 and R2. actually, the most up to date one is release 2.1. I'm working
>with it and it's very good. A guy here worked with UnigrafX and Pro
>engineer and he says that the "power for the buck" is better with mech.
>desktop. He particularly appreciates the sketch features in it. Say, you
>draw something barely what you want, let the computer profile it, you
>add some constraints to the items of the sketch and some parametric
>dimensions. Once it's done, you just extrude, revolve or sweep the
>sketch (same thing as a cross section) and your part is done. It's very
>good. The assembler is good too. Autosurf seems to be very very powerful
>but I don't use it now.
Is AutoSurf another tool for AutoCad ? Hmm. Well, in my job we currently use
R13c4 with Genius 13.1, we only draw in 2D now. But if I get it as I will,
there will be Mecanical Desktop and much more 3D afterwards.
I have only worked two months in this job.. And it is my first job ever ;-)
But I love 3D.. My biggest 3D object ( done on school ) was an Mountain Bike.
But the problem was to draw the seat and the oval tubes that goes to rounder
in the end of the back fork.. And therefore Mecnical Desktop is a must..
>Sorry for the demo,
Don't worry about that ;-)
>Ask Autodesk directly,
Well, I'll hope that we get this program soon on my workplace.
Kleng Hodnefjell Norway.
Amiga4k/040/16Fast/1.3GB/4xCD - SigOp in Forum/Hardware at Yggdrasil BBS.
Subject: Re: Comments on ALisp stack overflow problem appreciated
From: Serge Volkov
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 02:10:48 +0300
Reini Urban wrote at Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:09:46 GMT:
>
> I wrote in the FAQ:
> >> Numbers or points can be converted to strings:
> >> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/tonyt/sortsort.htm
> >> which is not foolproof ...
>
> "Tony Tanzillo" replied:
> >Nothing's foolproof, which begs an answer to what is the
> >significance of how that concept applies to my sorting code?
>
> We discussed this topic per mail and Tony's correction for negative numbers
> now is at http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/autocad/lisp/sort/sortsort.lsp
>
> (negative numbers were alphabetically sorted wrong because of the minus sign
> at the beginning which was corrected with a ntos conversion function)
Hi, two really great AutoLISP gurus,
sorry to mention (and repeat to Reini), but
(< "-1" "-2")
while
(> -1 -2)
thus _numeric_ comparison can't be simulated with _string_ one
for negative numbers as suggested by Tony.
Simple RLSORT test shows:
Command: (rlsort '(1.1 -2.2 -3.3 4.4) 5)
(-2.2 -3.3 1.1 4.4)
What a strange sorted order!!!
BTW: can someone to explain me, please, why
(ACAD_STRLSORT '("+A" "-A"))
gives
("-A" "+A")
whereas "-A" is greater than "+A" and
ACAD_STRLSORT sorts in increasing order?
Is this ACAD AutoLISP `implementation detail' :)
real bug or intented feature?
Returning back to Tony's sort approach:
IMHO: better solution is to shift every numeric value
to be sorted to positive range by adding
(- (apply 'min numbers))
Let me skip the details for next Tony's article :)
BTW: small obvious typo in NTOS should be fixed too:
(defun ntos (num prec)
(cond
( (minusp num)
(rtos num 2 prec))
;;(t (strcat "+" (rtos num prec))) ;** VSV 18/01/97
(t (strcat "+" (rtos num 2 prec)))
)
)
Regards
Serge Volkov
Subject: Re: Comments on ALisp stack overflow problem appreciated
From: Serge Volkov
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 02:10:48 +0300
Reini Urban wrote at Fri, 17 Jan 1997 14:09:46 GMT:
>
> I wrote in the FAQ:
> >> Numbers or points can be converted to strings:
> >> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/tonyt/sortsort.htm
> >> which is not foolproof ...
>
> "Tony Tanzillo" replied:
> >Nothing's foolproof, which begs an answer to what is the
> >significance of how that concept applies to my sorting code?
>
> We discussed this topic per mail and Tony's correction for negative numbers
> now is at http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/autocad/lisp/sort/sortsort.lsp
>
> (negative numbers were alphabetically sorted wrong because of the minus sign
> at the beginning which was corrected with a ntos conversion function)
Hi, two really great AutoLISP gurus,
sorry to mention (and repeat to Reini), but
(< "-1" "-2")
while
(> -1 -2)
thus _numeric_ comparison can't be simulated with _string_ one
for negative numbers as suggested by Tony.
Simple RLSORT test shows:
Command: (rlsort '(1.1 -2.2 -3.3 4.4) 5)
(-2.2 -3.3 1.1 4.4)
What a strange sorted order!!!
BTW: can someone to explain me, please, why
(ACAD_STRLSORT '("+A" "-A"))
gives
("-A" "+A")
whereas "-A" is greater than "+A" and
ACAD_STRLSORT sorts in increasing order?
Is this ACAD AutoLISP `implementation detail' :)
real bug or intented feature?
Returning back to Tony's sort approach:
IMHO: better solution is to shift every numeric value
to be sorted to positive range by adding
(- (apply 'min numbers))
Let me skip the details for next Tony's article :)
BTW: small obvious typo in NTOS should be fixed too:
(defun ntos (num prec)
(cond
( (minusp num)
(rtos num 2 prec))
;;(t (strcat "+" (rtos num prec))) ;** VSV 18/01/97
(t (strcat "+" (rtos num 2 prec)))
)
)
Regards
Serge Volkov
Subject: Re: pasting w95 excel spreadsheets into acad r13c4
From: Byron Polk
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 09:59:06 -0600
Victor Fung wrote:
>
> CUH2A wrote:
> >
> > i have a cadd user who has win95 excell spreadsheet (8) columns by
> (150)
> > rows
> > trying to copy-paste into an acad r13c4 drawing file.
> >
> > for some reason we're only getting (7) columns and (50) rows.
> >
> > is this a win95 clipboard problem or a limitation within acad r13c4.
> >
> > we have tried both paste and past special to no avail.....
>
> aaaahhhh, welcome to the croud. i experienced the same problem,
> with a different number of columns copied. try pasting into some
> other program, like word or photoshop, you'll see it a problem
> with the clipboard.
> and you were led to believe on those flashy autodesk demos that
> everything would be so nice and cool....... "use r13, you can
> edit your schedules with excel or lotus in half the amount of time!"
> SURE.
>
> --
> Victor Fung vicfung@i1.net
> St. Louis, MO http://www.i1.net/~vicfung
>
> ( Delete *** characters in header,
> they are used to avoid automatic junk email)
>
The limitation is with the client (AutoCAD). There is a column and row
limit based on the width of the columns and the height of the rows. You
can still use this feature. You will need to do the copy-paste routine
more than once. A couple of trial and error checks will determine just
how many rows and how many columns you can bring over at one time.
Bring in what ever amount you can and then move to the next ajacent area
and repeat the process untill you have all of the desired area into
AutoCAD. Everything will still function as you expect and if you will
take the time to set up the sheet one time you should not have to redo
it. This feature does work quite well. Just a few tricks to tackle
first.
Subject: Re: Acadlt for 95 reading rel. 13 files
From: "S. Yoder"
Date: 18 Jan 1997 02:01:17 GMT
Chris Nelson wrote in article
<01bc04c8$5685a260$e13193cf@Chris-Nelson>...
> Stef,
>
> THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!! It works using recover. Guess what
bug
> report Autodesk is going to get. In case your interested there are no
> errors found. The data base has to be recovered and apparently recovered.
> Thanks again
>
>
> Chris Nelson
>
Good, glad it worked. It was a shot in the dark and a lucky guess.
Enjoy,
Stef
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Subject: Re: Routine for adding line-length in a drawing.
From: jeeper@halcyon.com (Dennis Shinn)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 06:11:26 GMT
Hi Mauricio....
"Mauricio Dinamarca C." wrote:
>I have the following question:
>Is it possible to create an AutoLISP routine that can sum the length of
>all the lines in a selected layer from an AutoCAD drawing and give a
>single total?
Try this and see if it works for you -
==========================================cut here----
;;;;SumLns.lsp
;; Adds the length of all lines on a given layer
;; !! Lines only!!
;; Courtesy of the Seattle AutoCAD User Group
;;This routine is freeware, public domain, give-away, whatever
;;It would be nice if you kept our user group credit line in it, though
;;AddLen.lsp subroutine to calculate the running total.
(DeFun AddLen ()
(If
(Not total)
(SetQ total d)
(SetQ total (+ total d))
)
)
;;Main routine SubLns.lsp
(DeFun C:SumLns ()
;;;;Get user input and select lines on given layer -
(SetQ tlyr (GetString "\nLayer on which lines to sum reside...: ")
lns (SsGet "x" (List (Cons 8 tlyr) (Cons 0 "LINE")))
total 0
)
;;;;;Are there any lines on that layer?
(If
(Not lns)
;;;;My heavens! No layers - alert the user
(Alert "No line entities on that layer")
;;;;;Yeah, there were so process them
(Progn
;;;;;Initialize cntr symbol
(SetQ cntr (1- (SsLength lns)))
;;;;;Initialise symbol
(SetQ total 0)
;;;;;Step through the selection set
(Repeat (SsLength lns)
;;;;;Select the cntr'th entity
(SetQ ln (EntGet (SsName lns cntr))
;;;;; Get group code 10 value, the startpoint of the line
sp (Cdr (Assoc 10 ln))
;;;;;Get endpoint
ep (Cdr (Assoc 11 ln))
;;;;;Find the distance between them
d (Distance sp ep)
;;;;;Increment the counter
cntr (1- cntr)
)
;;;;;Call the subroutine to manage the running total
(AddLen)
);;Repeat
);;Progn
);;If
;;;;;Report back the results
(Princ (StrCat "\nTotal line length on layer " tlyr " is " (RtoS total)))
(Princ)
)
(Princ "\nSumLns loaded .... type SumLns to run")
(Princ "\nCourtesy of the Seattle AutoCAD User Group")
(Princ)
Dennis Shinn
Seattle AutoCAD User Group
SAUG-BBS [206] 644-7115 [PCGNet]9:517/215
CAD Systems manager/GLY Construction
Subject: Re: need dwg of a person - 3dpeople.zip (0/1)
From: jeeper@halcyon.com (Dennis Shinn)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 06:11:23 GMT
boomer@wzrd.com (Ken) wrote:
>On 17 Jan 1997 14:01:12 GMT, "Michael Willeford"
>wrote:
>Hope you can use this.
Ken ....
Sending large binaries through the newsgroup is frowned upon, unless it's a
binary newsgroup, of course. Which comp.cad.autocad is not. It's far better to
attach such files to email...
>>> Please E-Mail any response.
as the originator of the thread requested.
Why is this practice frowned on?
Many people pay for their access to the web and Usenet on a time basis. While
that's becoming less and less the norm, it's still prevalent. If everyone
started sending these large files through Usenet we'd begin to spend a good deal
more time than we'd like, everyone, downloading a file that was intended for
just a few people.
Dennis Shinn
Seattle AutoCAD User Group
SAUG-BBS [206] 644-7115 [PCGNet]9:517/215
CAD Systems manager/GLY Construction
Subject: Re: selling R12 for SunOS
From: jeeper@halcyon.com (Dennis Shinn)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 06:11:21 GMT
donahue@continet.com (Gavin Donahue) wrote:
>I hope I'm not to far out of line in this group. I have R12 for SunOS with
>a single seat licence complete with all AutoDesk reference books and more
>to sell.
There has been considerable discussion in this group the past few days about a
policy Autodesk is starting to enforce - I guess it's been around for some time
but only with the release of R13 has it been an issue. At any rate, Autodesk
says the license is "non-transferable" and will not honor such a transfer. In
fact there is talk about prosecution of those who sell their copy(ies) of
AutoCAD.
Yes, it's bogus. The issue, as it's been discussed here is that too many "used"
copies of AutoCAD were being used to obtain upgrades to R13. This holds no water
either since Autodesk received full and ?fair? compensation for he original copy
when it was purchased. How they are out money is hard for me to understand other
than this new policy enforcement will require *new* copies of AutoCAD to be
purchased where those old ones, such as yours and others, will now have to
remain on the shelves or become shims under legs of wobbly tables.
Dennis Shinn
Seattle AutoCAD User Group
SAUG-BBS [206] 644-7115 [PCGNet]9:517/215
CAD Systems manager/GLY Construction
Subject: Re: Accelerator-only MNS
From: Bogdan Radu
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 02:45:01 -0800
Dietmar Rudolph wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I want to add my own accelerator keys to any menu loaded at the moment.
> So I wrote my own MNS, e.g.
>
> ***MENUGROUP=MYKEYS
>
> ***ACCELERATORS
> ["INSERT"]^c^c_ddinsert
>
> Now using the menuload dialog (why isn't there a comand-line verion) I
> add this MNS to the available groups. Trying to call my hotkey, doesn't
> work :(
>
> Any idea?
> --
> Dietmar Rudolph
> CR/LF GmbH
> mail: Obere Fuhr 27, D-45136 Essen, Germany
> phone: ++49 201 254566 fax: ++49 201 256669
> email: CIS [100015,1632] Internet: dietmar_rudolph@compuserve.com
> Homepage: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dietmar_rudolph
You are going too far.Accelerators are supposed to be a keystroke (or
more ) that are used to access menu items (or toolbars).The easiest way
to increase your productivity is to edit the acad.pgp file and add
aliases for any commands you're using often. Careful though to not
duplicate aliases.Also the number of those aliases is reflected in
memory usage as each of them uses a litle bit.
Bogdan
Subject: Re: Learn AutoCAD Guaranteed!
From: "Tony Tanzillo"
Date: 18 Jan 1997 07:27:30 GMT
You have made four posts in the past week. This practice
is considered to be in very poor taste (others might use
the word sleazy).
Please stop spamming this newsgroup.
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<32DFFD80.50FF@ix.netcom.com>...
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Subject: Re: What is the BEST PCB DESIGN SOFTWARE fro the Windows 95 !!!!!!!!!
From: obartels@bartels.de (Oliver Bartels)
Date: 18 Jan 1997 07:56:37 GMT
In <32DF936E.70A9@multidyne.com>, "James G. Jachetta" writes:
>We are about to make a decision on Printed Circuit Design software. We
>are P-CAD users and would like to switch to the next generation of PC
>based software running under Windows 95. We have had a bad experience
>getting PADS Power PCB to operate on our machines. What systems is the
>easiest to learn and is the best value? We are looking into
>P-CAD/Tango, Protel, PADS and Orcad. Any assistance or advice would be
>greatly appreciated.
I don't know whether our system is easiest to learn and best value in your
personal oppinion, but I can give you the URL: http://www.bartels.de.
We have the manuals of the latest (V3.4) DOS/Win./NT/HP version online, plus
an elder DOS demo (V3.2) for download. The latest demo is available on CD.
Greetings Oliver
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