Newsgroup comp.cad.autocad 48609

We have 13 stations at my work with AutoCad V12 and 13 some Dos and
some run Windows3.11.
The main problem is that we haven't a central dataregister for the
drawings. Most people save their work in their personal HOME-drawer
just for not loosing it. There are thousands of drawings...
This has 2 main disadvantages. You can't pick up someone elses work
easily, and you waste a lot of HD-space.
We have found a nice database program to manage the drawings but it
costs about 11000$, it's currently too expensive.
Is it possible to use MS Access to manage this?
The ideal solution looks like this:
1.You search for something and gets 10 hits in Access.
2.Now you can mark a post and see a preview of the drawing (this is
  important).
3.Mark the drawing and select the 'Load in AutoCad'-button. and it
  select Autocad as the active application and load the drawing.
Is it possible to send a previewpicture of the current drawing to
Access whenever you hit save in AutoCad? I don't want to activate
Access, it just sits in the background, recieve the picture, save it
and then sleep again. IS Windows3.11 capable of this?
Note I'm note an experienced user of Cad and Access, but I understand
that they are both very powerful and programmable. I have tried to
include OLE-object (a picture) in Access, but you can't see it.
I have a great experience of Amiga and there is a general
programminglanguage called Arexx. Most big applications understand
this today and this had of course facilitate a task like this.
I think it is much easier to make programs to "talk" to each other on
Amiga thanks to Arexx!
If you have any advice for me I appreciate if you answer by email.
Thanks!
-- 
       Roland Bengtsson  -  Amigaentusiast & C-programmer
         A4000/040/25Mhz/18/420/CD-ROM/USR V.34/CyberVision 3D
                  http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-16779/

Roland Bengtsson wrote:
> 
> We have 13 stations at my work with AutoCad V12 and 13 some Dos and
> some run Windows3.11.
The first question is are you networked. If the answer is no, then you 
should be.  I worked at a firm with 12 CAD stations.  We instituted a 
Token ring network, with a 1gig hard drive where files were centrally 
stored.
> 
> The main problem is that we haven't a central dataregister for the
> drawings. Most people save their work in their personal HOME-drawer
> just for not loosing it. There are thousands of drawings...
> 
> This has 2 main disadvantages. You can't pick up someone elses work
> easily, and you waste a lot of HD-space.
> 
> We have found a nice database program to manage the drawings but it
> costs about 11000$, it's currently too expensive.
You do not need a database program.  We simply used a job number list, 
so we new exactly what we wanted.  The files for each job are stored in 
individual directories 001-600, etc.
> 
> Is it possible to use MS Access to manage this?
> 
> The ideal solution looks like this:
> 
> 1.You search for something and gets 10 hits in Access.
> 2.Now you can mark a post and see a preview of the drawing (this is
>   important).
> 3.Mark the drawing and select the 'Load in AutoCad'-button. and it
>   select Autocad as the active application and load the drawing.
> 
> Is it possible to send a previewpicture of the current drawing to
> Access whenever you hit save in AutoCad? I don't want to activate
> Access, it just sits in the background, recieve the picture, save it
> and then sleep again. IS Windows3.11 capable of this?
> 
> Note I'm note an experienced user of Cad and Access, but I understand
> that they are both very powerful and programmable. I have tried to
> include OLE-object (a picture) in Access, but you can't see it.
> 
> I have a great experience of Amiga and there is a general
> programminglanguage called Arexx. Most big applications understand
> this today and this had of course facilitate a task like this.
> I think it is much easier to make programs to "talk" to each other on
> Amiga thanks to Arexx!
> 
> If you have any advice for me I appreciate if you answer by email.
> Thanks!
We then had a C-programmer write small retrieve program that simply by 
typing in a job number it would download the files to the local 
hardrive and mark the files as inaccessible to everyone else, until the 
draftsperson, used the restore program to return the files to the 
server.
Hope this helps some, if you have additional questions, let me know.
> 
> --
>        Roland Bengtsson  -  Amigaentusiast & C-programmer
> 
>          A4000/040/25Mhz/18/420/CD-ROM/USR V.34/CyberVision 3D
>                   http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-16779/

Roland Bengtsson wrote:
> 
> We have 13 stations at my work with AutoCad V12 and 13 some Dos and
> some run Windows3.11.
The first question is are you networked. If the answer is no, then you 
should be.  I worked at a firm with 12 CAD stations.  We instituted a 
Token ring network, with a 1gig hard drive where files were centrally 
stored.
> 
> The main problem is that we haven't a central dataregister for the
> drawings. Most people save their work in their personal HOME-drawer
> just for not loosing it. There are thousands of drawings...
> 
> This has 2 main disadvantages. You can't pick up someone elses work
> easily, and you waste a lot of HD-space.
> 
> We have found a nice database program to manage the drawings but it
> costs about 11000$, it's currently too expensive.
You do not need a database program.  We simply used a job number list, 
so we new exactly what we wanted.  The files for each job are stored in 
individual directories 001-600, etc.
> 
> Is it possible to use MS Access to manage this?
> 
> The ideal solution looks like this:
> 
> 1.You search for something and gets 10 hits in Access.
> 2.Now you can mark a post and see a preview of the drawing (this is
>   important).
> 3.Mark the drawing and select the 'Load in AutoCad'-button. and it
>   select Autocad as the active application and load the drawing.
> 
> Is it possible to send a previewpicture of the current drawing to
> Access whenever you hit save in AutoCad? I don't want to activate
> Access, it just sits in the background, recieve the picture, save it
> and then sleep again. IS Windows3.11 capable of this?
> 
> Note I'm note an experienced user of Cad and Access, but I understand
> that they are both very powerful and programmable. I have tried to
> include OLE-object (a picture) in Access, but you can't see it.
> 
> I have a great experience of Amiga and there is a general
> programminglanguage called Arexx. Most big applications understand
> this today and this had of course facilitate a task like this.
> I think it is much easier to make programs to "talk" to each other on
> Amiga thanks to Arexx!
> 
> If you have any advice for me I appreciate if you answer by email.
> Thanks!
We then had a C-programmer write small retrieve program that simply by 
typing in a job number it would download the files to the local 
hardrive and mark the files as inaccessible to everyone else, until the 
draftsperson, used the restore program to return the files to the 
server.
Hope this helps some, if you have additional questions, let me know.
> 
> --
>        Roland Bengtsson  -  Amigaentusiast & C-programmer
> 
>          A4000/040/25Mhz/18/420/CD-ROM/USR V.34/CyberVision 3D
>                   http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-16779/

Hi There!
 Would you please help me?
When i insert an image into winword from acad and print them through a
printer (HP660C) the lines are printed really very thin.
If anyone can help me to manage the line thickness of an inserted item that
will be very appreciated.
Thanks in advence!
kselcuk@escortnet.com 

Brian -
I'm pretty certain that Cannon had a home page with drivers available
for downloading.  Why didn't your dealer supply them with the printer?
-- 
|  Robert B. Price, C.Mfg.E.  |
| Automation*Gears*Machinery  |
|   Consulting Engineering    |

In article <32e26452.150924230@news.jax.bellsouth.net>,
   drawcad@bellsouth.net (danny) wrote:
>Will copy drawings to AutoCad
>
>A- 10.00
>B- 15.00
>C- 20.00
>D- 30.00
>E- 40.00
>
>This will include a disk with the drawings on it saved to Autocad
>11,12,13, or LT 1,2,3 and a full plot of the size requested
>
>email at drawcad@bellsouth.net
Danny, 
You didn't specify degree of complexity or even type of drawing in your 
posting.  I'm assuming you mean you'll copy hand drafted drawings to ACAD for 
this price?
Have you perchance bothered to figure out your hourly wage at these prices?
My Estimate for copying D Size Architectural drawings, which typicallly take 8 
to 10 hrs to draw in CAD, at these rates is that you may be earning at least 
$3 to $4 per hour.  (Not calculating amortization of your hardware and 
software, materials, postage and packaging for the finished plots).
Is this a living wage where you live?
Cheers,
BW Smith
================================================
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   http://www.cadsmith.com/   ====  email: bwsmith@cadsmith.com

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Block substitution routine needed - long description follows
I have unsuccessfully searched several of the web pages found and 
tested several block redefine routines. I found no block substitution
routines. A list of those I have tried follows this request.
Please email any responses to me directly in addition to posting.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Michael
Description of what is needed: An AutoCAD rel. 12 compatible (our
upgrade to 13 is in progress but still a ways away) lisp routine to
substitute (not redefine) a block and pull the attribute values from the
old block placing them in the default locations, height, justification,
etc. as defined in the new block, not as they were originally.  The old
now unused block will be purged later as part of our drawing startup
procedure. The blocks in question are always inserted at a x,y scale of
1 and a rotation of 0 so I have no need for this routine to deal with
block scale and rotation. The insertion point of the original block will
need to be a part of this routine. Also the this will be used to
substitute only one occurrence of one block at a time. So I have no need
to do this recursively.
Here is the outline of the routine I envision.
	Please select a block to replace.
	1. Check to see if selected entity is indeed a
block. Send an appropriate error message if it is not a block.
 	The selected entity is not a block. Please select another
or enter to cancel and return to the AutoCAD command prompt.
			1. Check to see if the block contains attributes. Send an appropriate
message if it does not but still continue with the block substitution
program to just substitute one block without attributes for another
block, with or without attributes.
			2. Retain the attribute values of the original block noting the text
parameters associated with each attribute in the block. These values
will be input as the attribute values for the new block.
Replace with new block named ?
	
		1. Accept  keyboard or dialog box input of the block or drawing file
name to substitute for the old block.
		2. Return a list of any attribute tags and their values that existed
in the old block but do not have a matching attribute tag in the new
block.
		3. Return a list of any attribute tags that exist in the new block but
do not have a matching attribute tag in the old block.

Where I need this is to substitute a different, generally larger or
smaller title block and border. Our title blocks have many attributes
and they display at different locations and different text heights
depending on the sheet size and orientation.  A size vertical vs. D size
horizontal for example.
I have several block substitution and redefine routines that substitute
the graphic entities but place the attributes in the location on the
original block rather than in the default locations for the new block. A
list of those I have tested follows. An attribute edit must be then done
on all the attributes changing their location to the appropriate spot in
the new block.  This is more time consuming than just re- keying in all
25 attribute values and then correcting for the typos created in the
re-keying process.  :-(
blkupd.lsp by Mark Stanton - downloaded from e
	A block redefine routine that retains the original location of
attribute values.  Useful for block redefinitions but not for
substituting our title blocks.
Attredef.lsp by AutoDesk - Supplied with AutoCAD.
	 A block redefine routine that retains the original location of
attribute values.  Useful for block redefinitions but not for
substituting our title blocks.
ATTREDEF.LSP by Karry Layden - downloaded from http://www.cadalog.com
	I believe this is an earlier version of the one supplied with AutoCAD.

I finally got another shipment of Maximizing AutoCAD R13 books. As some
of you who have been waiting for them know, I was out for a while. So,
to make up for it, I'm offering this limited time special: 
Free shipping, plus more than 10% off retail, plus (for the next 20
orders only) a 20% off coupon for the upcoming Maximizing AutoLISP for
AutoCAD R13 book. See http://www.group-a.com/~rusty to order or for more
information.
Maximizing AutoCAD R13 provides you with the knowledge to take complete
control of AutoCAD and its user interface. Topics include menus, macros,
toolbars, all support libraries, DIESEL programming, and introductory
DCL dialog box development and AutoLISP programming.
CADalyst magazine says, "Maximizing AutoCAD R13 is one of those books
that should be on just about everyone's bookshelf--with all the tips and
tricks, inside info, and valuable instruction it contains, you're sure
to get your money's worth." See http://cadonline.com/bookshelf.htm#acad9
to see what else they said. 
-- 
B. Rustin (Rusty) Gesner -- Group A
AutoCAD Expert.Consultant.Author.Editor
All e-mails not DIRECTLY concerning the primary topics of this newsgroup
will be considered unsolicited, and receipt thereof shall constitute
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UDI - User defined information
Situation
I need to be able to insert/create a "beam" as a block with data associated
with it. This can be done manually using commands "attdef, ddattdef &
block" however there is not enough flexability with inserting blocks. 
I have written a fair amount of lisp and have tried to create the blocks
using basic "assoc" commands, however the extra UDI associated with the
block does not seem to be easily input or extracted. 
(ie. there is only one "assoc" number (100 : AcDbEntity) associated with
the user defined data in a block)
Question
1. How can a block be created with lisp including associating UDI? How can
the UDI be extracted using lisp? (How does ATTEDIT or DXFOUT do it?)
-------
Current Project
General Information
The company I work for produces pre-stressed concrete beams which are used
in the production of concrete floors. The beams are in the shape of an
inverted T with the flange height varying depending on the beam type. They
are spaced at 480 CRS Residential & 600 CRS commercial with a compressed
cement sheet sitting on the flange.
Notes
Program No.2 currently uses the layer information of a line to assign
information to the spreadsheet. It will be easily modified to use the block
information instead.
Description
Program No.1 will:
(Incomplete) - Create blocks (beams) with lisp
(Incomplete) - Assign general information & UDI to the blocks depending on
the type of beam.
(Incomplete) - Insert other blocks (eg. Piers for Ground floor slab)
depending on UDI
Program No.2 will:
(Complete) - Use DCL to create a Dialog Box with UDI / variables needed.
(Incomplete) - Extract length, type, weight, etc. information from inserted
blocks (beams)
(Complete) - Sort all of the blocks (beams) from smallest to largest
(Complete) - Assign a unique mark number for blocks of different lengths
(Complete) - Extract length, type, weight, etc. to Excel spreadsheet
-- 
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Simon Hutchison
3 Thompson St.
Abbotsford, 3067.
Melbourne, Australia.
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Hello Glen:
	I will agree with you. I think we need to be willing to meet them halfway
if they are honestly trying to make this a new form of tech support. I have
seen nothing but good things from Cara. One of the most important is the
links she places in her replies. Makes finding the correct document much
faster and easier.
My $0.02 worth.
-- 
Regards Joseph M. Liston
> I see this offer as another step toward a better relationship 
> between Autodesk and this newsgroup.  I am *very* hesitant to
> stomp on that because of *my* past bad experiences with them.
> 
> I suggest that we, as a minimum, give them the benefit of the doubt,
> for now, recognizing that we can exclude these links if we find that
> it isn't working.
> 
> Do not underestimate your abilities.  That is your boss's job.
> It is your job to find ways around your boss's roadblocks.
> _______________________________________________________________
> Glen Appleby  glena@bbs.cruzio.com  http://www2.cruzio.com/~glena/
> 

To update or re-define a block in AutoCAD. If the block is really a "XREF"
(external reference) simply edit the actual block as a drawing, then when
the drawing is opened, the XREF will be updated automatically.  If it is
truly a BLOCK, then you must still edit the actual block as a drawing,
then open EACH drawing and do this:
Command: Insert
block name: title=c:\blocks\title
then take all the defaults for the rest of the prompts
then REGEN to update
of course "title" is the block name, and "c:\blocks" would be the path to
the revised block
Good Luck

I'd be happy to send a sample Land Survey plat to any who'd like one.
Jerry
mlf1954@aol.com (MLF1954) wrote:
>I'm new to this so excuse any nievity. Is there such a place that
>designers use to post ACAD drawings for public use? I am CAD draftsman
>want-to-be and think that actually seeing how some of the pros put it all
>together would be very helpful. 
>
>If you can, send any replies to MLF1954@aol.com. 
>
>Thanks.
>
---
papabear@roadrunner.com 
"It's time to throw all their damn tea in the harbor again!"

bmb@nbnet.nb.ca (Brian) wrote:
>Anyone know where I could get a AutoCAD driver for the Canon BJC-4550
>printer?
>Thanx,
>Brian
There isn't one.  Use the BJ230 for great B&W; or use the BJC800 for
color - both support 11X17

Maybe somebody can help me with this:
1) "Unable to autosave, ... invalid directory, 
saving to c:\temp\auto1.sv$"
set TEMP=c:\temp, savename is auto.sv$ and with the directory
everything is okay. very strange. AcadR13c4a NT FAT.
2) Anybody heard of a command-line utility to convert directly R13 DWG's to
R12? (Sirlin, Cyco?) 
Should be out soon, cause adesk sells the r13 dwg engine libs.
3) Aynone wrote a lisp parser? (not you serge)
I need the dependence table of functions of some files.
  (is not very hard to do but it would be a nice gesture to post it :)
I need it for a packager: collect all functions to give a certain function
to a friend. But this function calls another which calls some others which
... (an endless story. 
Story: A friend of mine  names his lisp files to the
functions.  Consequently he has only one function per file. About 5000 files
polluting his directory.  THIS will need a good cache. His function
dependance table would include a lot of files, if you ask: "could you give
me this certain function?" )
it's basically the same as a paren counter, but it should accept \" in
strings and inline comments ;| .. |;
4) Accurender 3.0, when?????
-- Reini Urban 
The last good thing written in C was Franz Schubert's Ninth Symphony.
  (ViLL was written in Lisp++, Lisp++ in C++)

I am looking for printer driver for HP deskjet 870cse, I need to make color
prints.

My company is about to purchase our first plotter. We have all but decided
on the CalComp 5636? TechJet size plotter. Does anyone have any expeirence
with this plotter or anyother Cal Comp model. Just in the last day, two
people have told me that they are unreliable. One was an HP salesman, the
other was a guy who has a 4year old CC pen plotter, that has been nearly
replaced every year.
What to do, any sugggestions?
Thanks,
Ryan 
ryan@buddesheetmetal.com
http://www.buddesheetmetal.com

Theoretically, there should not be any problem.  Not sure why the "guru" is
holding out.  As long as the version is the same, AutoCAD is the same (in
terms of Win95 vs. Win 3.11).  The only difference is the Win 95 interface.
 We went from R12 DOS to Win 95 R13.  I used R13 for Win 3.11 to develop
our current menu before we switched!  Good Luck!

Check out 'http://www.zeta.org.au/~tek/
suitable platforms
Win95, WinNT3.51, WinNT4.0 using AutoCad R13

With Soft Engine the only choice is DOS or Windows!!  Both perform great! 
Since every thing I do is in Windows (i.e. word processing, etc.) it makes
it easier that my CAD program is Windows.  With DOS I have to flip from
windows to DOS and back again.  With the Windows version of AutoCAD,
everything I do is a Windows based program.  THE ONLY WAY TO RUN AUTOCAD
FOR WINDOWS EFFICIENTLY IS WITH A THIRD PARTY VIDEO DRIVER PROGRAM!!!!!
(i.e. Soft Engine!)  This program is about $400.  It's your decision.  Try
the demo at:
www.vibrant.com

Or how about a comp.cad.cadence_has_NOTHING_to_do_with_mechanical_cad_
packages_so_don't_cross_post_here_unless_you_have_read_the_FAQ_lurked_
and_think_your_post_is_relevant!
Cheers,  Pad.
J. Glithero wrote:
> 
> First:
> I would like to apologize for the crossposting.  I feel that this is
> relevant to all cad software packages.
> 
> Second:
> How about someone starting an comp.cad.advocacy news group?  I have seen
> alot of posts saying SolidWorks this Pro/E that, Ideas this SolidWorks
> that.  I beleived that the original intent of the
> comp.cad.mysoftwarepackage was for assistance in questions and answers.
> Its seem mostly overrun with bad mouthing.  So, how about one of those
> readers that have the most to say about the products start the advocacy
> newsgroup up?
> 
> -Jason
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                               Fujitsu Telecommunications Europe Ltd.,
dsm@ftel.co.uk                 Solihull Parkway,
                               Birmingham Business Park,
(0121) 717 6281                BIRMINGHAM, ENGLAND.

I am offering a service to reproduce "old" hand drawn drawings of 
Architectural, Electrical,Structural, Mechanical,etc.  for your 
documentation purposes.  If your drafting department has a slew of old 
racks of your plant,company, hospital, building, etc., and are 
considering changing over to an Autocad type reference, please let me 
know.  I would be happy to quote any job.
Usually, two ways to go.  I charge $15.00 an hour for most drafting work. 
 If you have alot of plans that are in need, I can change my charge based 
on amount of work to a per/dwg, contract basis.  
Disk copies of all drawings will be furnished at no additional charges.  
If you would like new hard copies of your drawings, I charge $2.50 per 
copy.  
Please let me know if I can help you in any way.
Sincerely,
James R. Basinger
Basinger's Planning & Design
basinger@vnet.net
(919)510-4818
(704)857-7848

I need some information about starting salaries in the "InteriorDesign" 
and "Architecture" fields.I'm about to graduate from college with a 
Bachelors degree in InteriorDesign.  I'm proficient in AutoCAD Release 
13 c4h, and 3D Rendering inAutovision Release 2.  I can create 
walk-throughs with Autovision, & Slideshows with Premiere.  I have 
managed a Windows NT 3.51 network, but want to work in my field ( ie., 
as an Interior Designer, for an Interior Design or Architectural firm 
).
I would like to be prepared for that imminent question..."So, what 
sort of salary do you expect?"
The only official numbers I have recieved were from the 
Florida Department of Labor.  They place beginning AutoCAD 
designers at the average starting salary of $13.22 per hour.
But I would expect that the more you can produce (ie., 3D rendering 
and walk-throughs) the more you should make.
I would be very appreciative to any professionals already in the 
field who can assist me with information on this topic.
Richard Fleming, Interior Design Major
IAMD, Tampa Florida
**See My "On-Line Portfolio" at: http://www.academy.edu/portfolios.html

First: I'm working in AutoCAD r13 c4h & AutoVision 2 c2 on 
a dual processor Tri-Star with 264 megs of RAM and an 8 meg 
accelerated video card.
I'm setting up an animation of a complete 3D restaurant that 
I designed, and I'm having a problem.
I have created my "camera path" throughout the restaurant 
with a polyline.  What I want to do is, as my camera moves along 
the polyline, have my "camera view" point forward no matter which 
way the polyline turns.
AutoVision won't allow the "camera view" to follow the polyline, 
it will only allow the view to look at "one" point while walking 
through the restaurant, therefore making it look as though you are 
walking backwards and sideways at times.
I would be very appreciative to anyone who can assist me with 
my problem.
Richard Fleming, Interior Design Major
IAMD, Tampa Florida
**See My "On-Line Portfolio" at: http://www.academy.edu/portfolios.html

Silk - Young wrote:
> 
> When using fonts that are not recognised by AutoCads text editior for 
Question, Are you talking about the display font in the text editor
dialogue box? Or the on-screen/in-the-drawing font?
the previous responces apply to the latter, and unfortunately at this
moment I don't have an answer for the prior. . . :(
But I'd be interested to know the answer to it. . .or look it up.
-- 
	- mw
Do not sell or distribute this address without express permission!

The other day a read a benchmark test MMX 200 vs. P5 200 vs. PPro 200 (256k) vs.
Klamath.
The summary was, that the MMX is between the PPro and the P5 in the BAPCo test
suite (collection of real applications):
P200: 100%
MMX:  115%
PPro: 135%
Klamath: 139%
In the "Direct 3D" Benchmark the MMX outperforms the P5 from 132 to 336%
So you will get some performance benefits, they would be pretty good if AutoCAD
uses the Direct 3D API for graphic display or rendering. Since they don't (AFAIK
they don't even utilize Open/GL under NT), you won't see huge improvements, but
maybe R14 brings some new graphics drivers...
Greetings,
Frank

The techdoc you refer to solved the problem for me!
Thanks!
Jim Wilfong
jwilfong@endgate.com

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On Sun, 19 Jan 1997 11:42:34 +0000, Scot Beggs 
wrote:
>Quick and easy question:
>What is the variable that tells AutoCAD how long to make the final
>extension line at the end of a leader?  
I believe you are referring to the "shoulder".  This uses the DIMASZ
setting.
Regards,
Ian A. White, CPEng
waiwhite@zip.com.au
WAI Engineering
Sydney 2000
Australia
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