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Subject: I think I found something ??? -- From: YOUR REAL NAME
Subject: Re: Egyptian junkie pharaohs -- From: Chris Carlisle
Subject: Re: Conjectures about cultural contact -- From: gblack@midland.co.nz (George Black)
Subject: Re: Cocaine Mummies and the sphinx chamber -- From: macros@nai.net (Macros)
Subject: Re: Pyramids and Aliens -- From: James Petts
Subject: Re: Conjectures about cultural contact -- From: Randal Allison
Subject: what's important -- From: Melissa Stippich
Subject: Re: Edgar Casey--The theory of civilization not yet known to man--undiscovered -- From: millerwd@ix.netcom.com(wd&aeMiller;)
Subject: (no subject) -- From: tomclark@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: Pyramids and Aliens -- From: millerwd@ix.netcom.com(wd&aeMiller;)
Subject: Re: Archaeology and geology? -- From: skupinm@aol.com (SkupinM)
Subject: Re: 200 ton Blocks -- From: gothic@netaxs.com (Matt Kriebel)
Subject: Re: Robert the Bruce's heart -- From: Hugh Stewart McKenna
Subject: Re: Piri Reis - Chapter Four - Atlantis, is that you? -- From: Siro Trevisanato
Subject: Re: 200 ton Blocks -- From: Jiri Mruzek
Subject: Re: 200 ton Blocks -- From: Jiri Mruzek
Subject: Re: 200 ton Blocks -- From: Jiri Mruzek
Subject: Re: 200 ton Blocks -- From: Jiri Mruzek
Subject: Re: 200 ton Blocks -- From: Jiri Mruzek
Subject: Re: Clovis: Need info about clovis in Asia -- From: skupinm@aol.com (SkupinM)
Subject: Re: Noah's Ark Rebuttal (part 1) - Rev. Baugh -- From: "littlejo@comm.net"
Subject: Stella's Law Of The Pyramids. -- From: dt king
Subject: Re: 200 ton Blocks -- From: Donn Hall
Subject: Re: Pyramids and Aliens -- From: matts2@ix.netcom.com (Matt Silberstein)
Subject: Re: Language of Normans and Britons -- From: Vince Russett <100652.3047@CompuServe.COM>

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Subject: I think I found something ???
From: YOUR REAL NAME
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 16:41:59 +0000
I found a rock near an area where people claim they 
found projectile points in NY state west of the 
Hudson Valley.  In my uneducated opinion it seems 
to have been carved out by someone. I was hoping 
that a person with some knowledge on the subject 
may be able to tell me if  theyıve encountered 
anything similar.
If someone is really interested I can e-mail a scan of 
a polaroid (or something) but basically itıs a smooth 
stone‹perfectly shaped to a persons hand with two 
eye-shaped gouges in the middle of the area that 
shows when itıs held the obvious way. Each gouge 
is about the length of a nickel and half the height 
and they line up long ways. There seem to be a few 
scratch marks on the sides of those areas and in 
between but none on any other part of the rock.
If you have any information that may help me figure 
out if this is an artifact or just a stupid rock please 
E-mail me at Plankbox@tiac.net. 
Thank you 
Lisa
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Subject: Re: Egyptian junkie pharaohs
From: Chris Carlisle
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 15:19:03 -0500
Would someone clarify whether what was found was coca or cocaine?
I doubt if the chemical signatures are identical.
Kiwi Carlisle
carlisle@wuchem.wustl.edu
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Subject: Re: Conjectures about cultural contact
From: gblack@midland.co.nz (George Black)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 96 13:17:33 GMT
snip 
>> >
>> >: Apart from the fact that the Olmec were some 800 years before the date
>> >that : Polynesians migrated to N.Z & Easter Island
>> >
>> >Irrelevant. Different Polynesians migrated at different times.
>
>let's get some dates please? Are you saying that some Polynesians
>migrated say 1200 BC?
Whoa, 1200 AD is the official line though I personally hold to migrations that 
populated New Zealand to around the 900 - 1000 AD period.
Excavations at Non Nok Tha (1965-66) had pottery and evidence of metalworking 
with a burial dated to 4000 BC containing a socketed tool made of copper.
There are pottery fragments from Spirit Cave in northwestern Burma that date 
to 7,000 BC.
So the Polynesian migration began before this.
Some people can stay longer in an hour than others can in a week
gblack@midland.co.nz
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Subject: Re: Cocaine Mummies and the sphinx chamber
From: macros@nai.net (Macros)
Date: 13 Sep 1996 17:52:34 GMT
the south american/egyptian cocaine trade.  some things never change huh?  the
south americans are still the world's suppliers of coke.  is this proof that the
chamber beneath the sphinx is actually an old coca leaf refinery?
--
Joe Dimech
Macros@nai.net
Macros on IRC
Owner of #Midkemia on Dalnet
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Subject: Re: Pyramids and Aliens
From: James Petts
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 21:40:06 +0100
In article <01bba18b.8a27a280$0203010a@rtpen19>, Ann McMeekin
 writes
>I'd be grateful for any theories and information on this subject that
>anyone can provide, along with notes of any books or videos which are
>worth reading on the subject.
>
>Thanks in advance
Pretty poor attempt, Ann. If your a section leader on Compu$erve delaing
with this sort of thing you should already have a good reading list...
2/10 Must try harder.
-- 
James
      "I'd rather fall off Ilustrada than ride any other horse!"
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Subject: Re: Conjectures about cultural contact
From: Randal Allison
Date: 13 Sep 1996 22:51:28 GMT
yuku@io.org (Yuri Kuchinsky) wrote:
>Doug Weller (dweller@ramtops.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>
>: let's get some dates please? Are you saying that some Polynesians
>: migrated say 1200 BC?
>
>Yes, I do, Doug.
>
>Around 1200 B.C, a new wave of Polynesians, the Lapita ware peoples, was
>settling the Western islands (Fiji, etc.). They were making a major
>expansionary push. 
>
>Enc. Brit. (1992) has a long and useful article about Pacific Islands (v. 
>25). What it says is that around that time the peoples of the Lapita ware
>culture were sufficiently advanced to engage in long ocean voyages. 
>(Their heartland was in the Bismarck Archipelago, closer to New Guinea.)
>Sophisticated water craft (most likely single hulled) was available
>around 4000 years ago. (p. 245) 
>
>So there's nothing that would have prevented those people from arriving
>to S. American coast (not necessarily a planned expedition). The fact
>that some of the Olmec statues have a negroid appearance (there are two
>types of facial features, the negroid, and the Asian) is a strong pointer
>to Melanesian origin. 
>
>The Olmecs, with their impetus for building large public projects and
>monuments, appeared seemingly out of nowhere as a sudden burst of a very
>rich cultural influences unprecedented on the continent before them. The
>hypothesis that they carried influences from Asia and Oceania seems like
>a very valid one. 
>
It may be. I would not be so bold as to say the Olmec appeared seemingly 
out of nowhere anymore than I'd say the Aryans or Phoenicians appeared out 
of nowhere. 
Given your hypothesis that the Olmec, a glorious, original civilization in 
the Yucatan from 1500--600 BCE represent some form of Asian or Oceanic 
culture in the Americas, what cities laid out in an axial pattern in Asia 
and Oceania did the Olmec draw from in the creation of San Lorenzo around 
900 BCE and later in La Venta? What similar forms of carvings are 
represented in Asia and Oceania from this time period, and what forms of 
city-states existed in Asia and Oceania during this period? 
Additionally, your hypothesis that a group carried influences from Asia 
and/or Oceania to the lands of the Olmecs--and this has been extended in 
prior posts to cover contact with the maya, Toltec, Quechua and Amarya 
peoples of Peru, *et al*, would necessitate some long-standing contact. 
Given the propensity of Native American groups throughout the Americas to 
borrow those things from other groups which they feel are beneficial, and 
this includes new vocabulary, where are the linguistic reminders in the 
Central American groups' languages?
Randy
-- 
_______________
Randal Allison, Ph.D.
   ---Never use a big word when a diminutive alternative will suffice---
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Subject: what's important
From: Melissa Stippich
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 15:53:38 -0700
I am currently a senior majoring in anthropology with a minor in history 
and am interested in job opportunities in archaeology.  What are my best 
options and resources.  I know experience is important but what else are 
people looking for?  Any help or advise will be greatly appreciated.
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Subject: Re: Edgar Casey--The theory of civilization not yet known to man--undiscovered
From: millerwd@ix.netcom.com(wd&aeMiller;)
Date: 13 Sep 1996 23:16:49 GMT
In  Jon 
writes: 
>
>In article <51a0rp$gj3@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>,
>millerwd@ix.netcom.com writes
>>In  Jon 
>>writes: 
>>>
>>>In article <51563p$oe2@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>,
>>>matthuse@ix.netcom.com writes
>>>>In <5153gq$41q@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>
>>>>millerwd@ix.netcom.com(wd&aeMiller;) writes: 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>(snip)
>>>>>
>>>>>>Never trust an archaeologist or geologist who wear a pith helmet
>>and 
>>>>>>safari jacket. Sounds too much like high drama to me. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Ah, but gee whiz!  And to think I wanted to wear a revolver and
>>whip,
>>>>>and ride on little red lines all over the globe saving the world
>>from
>>>>>Nazis and psychopathic child slavers while finding the Ark of the
>>>>>Covenant, the Holy Grail and really cool glowing stones that can
get
>>>>>real hot if you touch them.  Sigh, now I'll just have to change my
>>>>>major.
>>>>
>>>Sigh, I am just an amateur, but if you get the job, I'll carry your 
>>>bags!
>>>-- 
>>>Jon 
>>
>>
>>CooL!!!  As long as you promise not to turn out to be a Nazi in
>>disguise!  ;)
>>
>>I couldn't resist keeping this one going...hehe
>>
>>Amanda
>No, I gave it up.  I don't look good in black, and I just couldn't
>get the goose step right - gives me rotten backache! Your original
>posting fails to mention the bull whip - don't worry I'll bring mine!
>-- 
>Jon 
Okey Dokey.  As long as we can also get quite innebriated in a Cairo
bar with a monkey in a red jacket, too.  Somehow we'll have to fit in
karaoke for an even more bizarre expedition.  Possibly even an old man
with a long beard named Tim.  Hurm.  :):):)
Amanda
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Subject: (no subject)
From: tomclark@ix.netcom.com
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 17:51:39 -0700
hey
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Subject: Re: Pyramids and Aliens
From: millerwd@ix.netcom.com(wd&aeMiller;)
Date: 13 Sep 1996 23:20:33 GMT
>>number of threads.  The one I'm particularly interested in is the one
>>discussing whether or not humans built the Great Pyramid, and other
large
>>structures around the world.
>
(snip)
>I think it is pretty obvious that they did. I can't image humans being
>able to build something as large as the Great Pyramid. 
Oh deary me!  WoW!!!  I guess I'll have to go stand on top of a tall
building in L.A. now so that they can hit me with their death ray when
they send their big "V" ships.  Maybe even the Great Pyramid will take
off like in "Stargate"!  :)
(snip, snip)
>
>Matt Silberstein
>-----------------------------
>The opinions expressed in this post reflect those of the Walt
>Disney Corp. Which might come as a surprise to them.
>
That's actually a pretty funny sig.
-Amanda
--------------------
no sig.
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Subject: Re: Archaeology and geology?
From: skupinm@aol.com (SkupinM)
Date: 13 Sep 1996 20:58:57 -0400
There are two archaeologies these days:  the true one, which is a subset
of history, and therefore one of the humanities; and the false one, which
is a subset of anthropology, a pseudoscience with deuces wild.  Small
wonder this second archaeology is so skewed, so Oprah-ized with politics
and weird, aggrieved "isms."  
Geology is neat for a well-rounded education (the true sciences stimulate
the true humanites), but for the New Archaeology, your time would be
better spent watching Sally Jessy.
vale
Mike Skupin
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Subject: Re: 200 ton Blocks
From: gothic@netaxs.com (Matt Kriebel)
Date: 13 Sep 1996 20:04:33 GMT
Jiri Mruzek (jirimruzek@lynx.bc.ca) wrote:
: 
: Re: "But along comes some bozo who doesn't understand how simple
: machines
:  work, is convinced that *all* technology  started with the roman empire
: 
: That bozo - hmm, do I recognize myself, as the initiator of this thread?
: The bozo - is it me? Perhaps, but his opinions certainly aren't mine. 
Probably, since you seem to think aliens had to make what you are too
unimaginative to figure out.
: Along comes some bozo.. Hmm, you are the fresh contributor here, mein
: herr.
: We have discussed the subject of various methods of building the Great
: Pyramid, when you show up and claim that we have no open interest in
: all manners of such possible construction by LO-Tech methods.
: How dare you? 
: FYI, it is the present consensus of historians that the Ancients, and
: namely Egyptians had only so much knowledge, and so much technology,
: and nomore! 
And as has been pointed out time and time again in this thread, that 'only
so much knowledge' is all that is needed make such objects. I notice that
have failed to answer those who have given effective methods, only mocked
them instead. 
: Some of us point to the intellectual level inherent in the Great
: Pyramid,
: and other ancient wonders, in a  constructive approach to history.
'Contructive appraoch' mean you are the mighty prophet whgo will unlock
hidden secrets in odd rations and measurements,huh? I took a peek into
your website and would have laughed had it not bee so tragic. I didn't get
any further that your Nazca monkey nonsense, but  it becomes pretty
obvious you are a mathematical/archeaological crank who find messages in
any ratio or shape you can find. Ergo the 'intellectual level' in the
pyramid is, in your own writing, not the wonder of engineering it is, but
rather a mass of numbers and measurements that *you* get to unlock and
then consider yourself to be an equal to alien intellences, right? 
: > What it all boils down to is that one is insisting that someones ancestors
: > didn't have the brains or skill to move big heavy rocks and make a pile
: > out of them. You'll notice that few 'alien advocates' rarely suggest that
: > technically magnificent european structures (Hia Sophia, for ionstance)
: > were built by aliens.
: 
: Nice propaganda methods! Bravo, Eiffel Tower was built by Aliens!
: Ja, ja ..
I could apply the same logic you use to 'prove'  it.
: Note, how you turn everything a round 180 degrees..
Hurts your little racist crank theories doesn't it?
: Matt, you may have the shotgun, and double-loaded grapeshot approach -
: (You some kind of Wako?)
: but you're the one getting peppered..
Awww, poor Jiri, does it hurt that your 'constructive appraoch' may really
be little more more than an ego-satisfying glory-hunt that tells many
races that their ancestors were too dumb to build things?
Matt Kriebel      *  This .sig is no longer small or easily digestible!    
gothic@netaxs.com *  No, I'm not a goth. I just have an architecture fetish.
***************************************************************************
Not so much a shotgun approach, more like a double-loaded grapeshot approach.
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Subject: Re: Robert the Bruce's heart
From: Hugh Stewart McKenna
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 21:33:05 -0400
Mr Adrian P Tribe wrote:
> 
> samos@inforamp.net writes:
> 
> >   LONDON (AP) _ Just call him Braveheart II.
> >   Scottish conservationists think they have found the mummified
> >heart of Robert the Bruce, the legendary 14th-century Scottish king
I missed this whole topic due to usenet servcies being down.
Could someone post a syonopsis, or e-mail it to me?
What does this do to the the traditional story of the earl of
Douglas throwing the casket at some attacking Moors, and crying
"BraveHeart, you were ever to the front. Where you go I will follow!"
(or words to that effect)?
-- 
Hugh Stewart McKenna    miahm01.smcken01@eds.com
--
Whenever it is possible to find out the cause of what is happening, one
should not have recourse to the gods.	 -- Polybius (204-122 B.C.)
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Subject: Re: Piri Reis - Chapter Four - Atlantis, is that you?
From: Siro Trevisanato
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 13:58:13 GMT
On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, Pat Zalewski wrote:
> In article ,
>    bstudio@mcs.net wrote:
> >
> >
> >Piri Reis, a new perspective
[...]
> >Conclusion: the technical experties required to make this kind of statement 
> >has been around for some time.  It represents a level of know-how that an 
> >"Atlantis" like society would have developed and used.
> >
> >Apologies to all the Atlantis "Boo Birds" out there, but someone with good 
> >reason made this statement of history; a society advanced sufficiently in 
> >technology and navigation.  Sounds like Atlantis to me.
> The Peri Reis map does pose some interesting questions. The Cities of South 
> America being one such example but they may have been added later. What is 
> fascinating is that map when placed on a globe is the exact size of the earth 
> today. But the drawings of south America and the carribean are very badly done 
> to say the least. The carribean does not even resemble its present day 
> topgraphy in the least. I posted a thead re this map asking about the lake in 
> central Spain which is on the Peri Reis Map. My questions was did this lake 
> ever exist and if so when? If they place a lake in the centre of Spain, which 
> was not there it does not give much credence to the rest of the Map. There 
> is also a land peninsular going from Africa towards spain that does not exist 
> today -if it ever did. It looks like it has almost blocked in the 
> mediteranean. Also there are lakes in Africa that do not exist to day. My 
Do you have a clue as to the distance between Gibraltar to Ceuta?
The Iberic peninsula is the landmass that almost blocks the Mediterranean.
Spain is in such a peninsula. OK. So you couldn't identify Spain.
Did you at least get Africa right?
You know, if you can't identify the areas properly, don't expect 
to find "abnormalities".
> question is did the lakes exist in the exact places given in Peri Reis Map and 
> if so when? If the lake in Spain and  the lakes in Africa did exist in the 
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> places given in the Peri Reis map but thousands of years ago then we have an
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
> even bigger mystery. 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If the lake in spain and the lakes in Africa are going to exist in the
places given in the Piri Reis map thousands of years from now, then
we have an even BIGGER mystery :-))))
Sorry, couldn't resist,
Siro
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Subject: Re: 200 ton Blocks
From: Jiri Mruzek
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 03:13:46 -0700
Matt Kriebel wrote:
. You'll notice that few 'alien advocates' rarely suggest that
> technically magnificent european structures (Hia Sophia, for ionstance)
> were built by aliens.
How many of these European mosques and cathedrals would it take
to equal the weight of the Great Pyramid (7 Million tons)? 
All of them - and still some room left?
I am a European, but ALL the buildings in Europe PALE (pun intended)
in comparison to the Pyramid. That makes me racist, as the rest of 
your post had suggested? (this second round of the stupid racist
accusations peeves me off more than the recent first round, because
every time I do well in factual discussions, the tone, and even 
the line-up of the posters for the Anti-Ancient-Science League
changes from quasi-scientific to downright crude and racist.)
Listen, buddy, U brought these accusations up, so remember: 
Just a predisposition to toying with the term signals a racist,
or a supressed racist.. I only know one super-race of Humans. 
Typologies like black, white, yellow, brown, and red serve only 
purposes of quick, peremptory identification in the course of some 
description, where it may, or may not stand in the first place, in
the order of importance. For instance, if someone is 7-feet tall,
you will most likely start the description of such an individual with
this characteristic, and not with the fact that the oner is of this
or that color, or is bespectacled, and has a big nose.
Ergo:
YOU DARE TO CALL ME RACIST? - You unfortunate idiot.. 
There, my coin covers your small change, for isn't racism just part
to Stupidity in general? 
Note that your name pretty well guarantees you to be an Aryan type
like myself, (I am a Nordic sub-type - pun intended - I look what
Himmler wanted his SS-men to look like (when in shape), except,
I am 25-percent Jewish, and 75-percent Slavonian :) so by directing 
my protest at you, I am definitely Not being racist. 
namon
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Subject: Re: 200 ton Blocks
From: Jiri Mruzek
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 03:16:08 -0700
Kevin D. Quitt wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Sep 1996 03:50:35 -0700, Jiri Mruzek 
> wrote:
> >I have been asking, nay, challenging the skeptics to explain this one
> >for years (2) - and they never answer!!!
> Give me the dimensions & weight of the block, I'll tell you how many people
> it would have taken to move it.
Say, 1,400 metric tons. You may choose your own rectangular shape, and 
specific weight, according to whether you want it to be limestone, or
granite, etc.
namon
***********************
Roll out the Barrel..
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Subject: Re: 200 ton Blocks
From: Jiri Mruzek
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 13:25:19 -0700
Frank Doernenburg wrote:
> Sorry to disturb you about Baalbek, but the temple there is truly of Roman
> origin. Sitchin uses an old report from 1864 (!) as source for his fantastic
> story, but "forgets" the results of the German dig in 1904/05 (published in
> 1924).
Would you kindly provide detailed references? Your reluctance to do so 
signals that the German team was heavily affected by the racist
attitudes of most Germans of that period, in whose social sciences 
the theoretical foundations for Nazism were laid long ago. 
You are proving yourself to be notoriously unreliable as a source
of information. See all the distortions of material facts about
the Great Pyramid, you have attempted to confuse the issue with,
in our discussion under the thread " Spiral Ramp".
BTW, you still have to answer my last post, which points out a variety
of these most likely deliberate "mistakes" in your argumentation.
> They dug through the whole temple platform and found typical roman
> architecture down to the foundations, only roman deposits, shards and even
> trash under the temple. 
Sounds a little off-key.
Re: "found typical roman architecture down to the foundations, 
only roman deposits, shards and even  trash under the temple. 
What bunk!
     1)  typical roman architecture.. Yet, the location is Lebanon,
     and has been a sacred site for millenia before the Romans.
Comment: Obvious fabrication on the part of the German (pre-nazi) team..
         Voila, a true case of : Only Whites could have done so..
         (I know this trash! It is White-Trash! :)
     2) only roman deposits, shards and even trash under the temple..
Comment: Again, the location was Lebanon, Romans didn't form the 
population there, they were the colonial masters - therefore
the findings don't even begin to make any sense. Obviously, the
findings were doctored for consumption by the German, and Italian 
fascists.
> The whole platform is not a massive structure, but typical roman honeycombed.
Provide a detailed description!
> And how the romans transported heavy blocks is well known. 
It is? How did the Romans transport such heavy blocks then?
How did they transport these 1,200 ton blocks, and above all:
Where else do we find such examples?
Lastly, why do Roman sources attribute the Baalbek platform, and
the Trilithons to unknown builders, and not to themselves?
It doesn't make any sense, does it? If the Romans were the true
builders of Baalbek - they would have taken the credit for their 
architectural exploit!
As well, Romans would have had indubitably performed such construction
miracles in their imperial capital - Rome, before wasting their efforts
on remote, and unimportant provinces.
Shortly, sir, you are obviously full of Bunk!
Jiri Mruzek
p.s.
Show me but ONE object from imperial Rome weighing in excess of
at least 100 (One-Hundred) tons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Subject: Re: 200 ton Blocks
From: Jiri Mruzek
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 17:03:57 -0700
Kevin D. Quitt wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:21:04 GMT, degrafx@netwrx.net (Gilgamesh) wrote:
> >>Kevin D. Quitt (Kevin@Quitt.net) wrote:
> >>: The stone can now be
> >>: rolled, and by wrapping ropes arounf the entire thing, one man, pulling on
> >>: one rope can move a ten-ton block up a slight incline on hard ground.
> >>: I know this works, because I've done it.
> >Yeah right.  We have all tried this in our backyards.
Gilgamesh was right in questioning your unlikely story.
> Some of us have actually done physical labor for a living.  And you could
> try it at any quarry.  It's about as hard as pushing a small car.
 Lies have short legs - and never get you very far, as in this case.
1) Lie # 1:
    Pushing a small car (on wheels with steel bearings, and weighing 
    a ton at most) is as hard, as rolling a 10-ton wheel!
This claim is an obvious lie. One thing about such 10-ton 
wheels - they are not perfectly round, and therefore aren't
well balanced!  This will create problems, when the heaviest half
will be at the low point of rotation. 
My expert opinion: You got the idea from the "Flintstones" show!
At any rate, this show abounds in similar cartoon-suitable "ideas".
> Some of us have actually done physical labor for a living.
While this statement is indubitably true, I doubt that you have
worked physically to make your living. Why, last you were talking
to me, (misrepresenting my opinions) you had an account with
none other, but:   @nasa.gov!!!
That makes you a technician, a pen-pusher, etc. Don't pretend to
be a blue-collar..
> And you could  try it at any quarry.
Very realistic - we all have access to quarries in our backyards
just like you! But, I have worked in a couple of quarries, and 
nowhere did I see 10-ton rocks, there.
On what occasion did you do this?
What quarry produces 10-ton blocks, which it moves by your method?
Where is this block you spoke about? Perhaps, we can get an
investigator on the site.. 
What gave you the idea?
Where are the witnesses, etc?
Conclusion: In absence of any evidence whatsoever, we have to
suspect that you Kevin Quitt are an unscrupulous prevaricator. 
If you want to make outrageous statements, you have to back
them up.
When I want to tell people about something extraordinary like
prehistorical mathematics, I back my words up with a Web-site, 
where my proofs are available to everyone to check out. The fact
that there are no skeptical critics (skepto-crits) using my 
materials from 
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jiri_mruzek/
proves to you that I have something real there..
Jiri Mruzek - discoverer of prehistoric Science-Art
              discoverer of the OLDEST IMAGE OF A HORSEMAN
                                IN THE WORLD
p.s. Now BROWSE OFF, and check those claims of mine..
*********************************************************
I have the proof - if you have the brains to understand it!
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Subject: Re: 200 ton Blocks
From: Jiri Mruzek
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 17:15:19 -0700
Jim Rogers wrote:
> Stella Nemeth wrote:
> > I don't find the attitudes inherently racist.  I generally find them
> > inherently uneducated, which isn't always the same thing.
> ....
> > And anyway, the people who believe the "alien theory" ALSO think that
> > Neolithic EUROPEANS weren't capable of building Stonehenge and the
> > like.
> > Therefore their theory isn't racist in any reasonable definition of
> > the term.  Just dumb.
Just look at us, the poor Atlantomaniacal wretches, 
as we flop between the rock and the hard place:
as our choice is to either be racist, or just plain dumb! 
Do we like it?
I hate it intensely! Why?
Firstly, everyone, who says that members of one species, who
attribute some achievements to another species (a space-race),
are racist because they elevate this other species above their 
own - well, that is clearly stupid, in not making any sense 
whatsoever.
If I am human, and I think that humans lacking necessary
savvy, cannot use calculus - then am I racist?
Wow, what a stupid thing on the part of our critics!
Now, to our last choice, you so kindly provide: We are stupid!
Prove this in factual discussions. For now, I pass
this ball into your court.
Racists and skeptocrits! You are stupid! 
Thank you, I have spoken..
Jiri Mruzek
*****************************************
How do U move 200-tons of racism off usenet?
U just shut up.
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Subject: Re: Clovis: Need info about clovis in Asia
From: skupinm@aol.com (SkupinM)
Date: 14 Sep 1996 01:09:52 -0400
Not Kamchatka; China.  The Chinese points were imports from the New World
(which is where the lines of development are evident; the Chinese ones
appear out of the blue).  Probably 8,000 B.P.  I'll dig out the references
manana.
vale
Mike Skupin
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Subject: Re: Noah's Ark Rebuttal (part 1) - Rev. Baugh
From: "littlejo@comm.net"
Date: 14 Sep 1996 02:44:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Noah's Ark Rebuttal (part 1) - Rev. Baugh
Distribution: world
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alt.archaeology-news@newsbase.cs.yale.edu
On Mon, 09 Sep 1996, Doug Weller 
 stated
In article <50vctq$1i4@news.tcd.net>
<       dwashbur@wave.park.wy.us (Dave Washburn) wrote:
<> pspinks@vegauk.co.uk (Paul Spinks) wrote:
<>>On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:47:33 -0400, Stephen Morris wrote about
<>>"Re: Noah's Ark Rebuttal (part 1)":
<>>[snip]
<>>>Dr. Carl Baugh of the Creation Evidence Museum
<>>>in Glen Rose, TX had actually SEEN Noah's Ark in
<>>>a joint Russian/American expidition about 2 years ago.
<>>>He saw the exposed half on an icy clif on top of the 
<>>>mountain while flying in the helicopter.  They had 
<>>>located the site using special satelite images.  He has 
<>>>receintly released photos of the full expidetion on video.
<>
<>>I have also seen "Noah's Ark".
<>>It's most definitely a rock and nothing more.
A few years ago on November 8, the Rev. Baugh gave a lecture
on his Ark studies and the dinosaur footprints.  Even though
the pictures were shown in 3D complete with the cardboard
glasses, his pictures were most unconvincing and blurry long-
distance shots.  The only detailed illustrations were line
drawings that he drew.  He blamed the lack of good pictures
on bad weather, Soviet restrictions on their flight plans, and
Islamic Kurds who prevented them from climbing to the Ark.
(I went up to Baton Rouge, LA to listen to this talk.)
What I found disturbing about the lecture was that he
continually trashed the Turkish people as being ignorant
and unappreciative of their western (RE: Christian
heritage).  His also implied that the Kurds deliberately
hindered their quest for the Ark out of religeous motives.
He was most patronizing towards them.  I have not seen
the video, but I presume that the Rev. Baugh is at least
smart enough to leave / edit such unkind comments
out of any sort of permanent record as a video.
<>And people should believe you as opposed to
<>someone else because...?

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Subject: Stella's Law Of The Pyramids.
From: dt king
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 00:21:56 -0400
Stella Nemeth wrote:
> They were just as smart as we are.  They had tools enough to do the
> job. They had the organizational skill to do the job and the
> experience building all of the earlier pyramids to provide the
> learning curve necessary to do the job.  They had a reason to do it
> which was satisfactory to them.  They had a High Civilization and/or a
> Complex Society (I'm not sure how much overlap those two terms have
> and I mean both).  Denying them their highest accomplishments isn't
> constructive.  And it is rotten history.
I've been following this thread.  Then I lost interest because it kept
going on long past any new information.  Now I'm following it again -- I
don't know why.  There's two points that I continue to agree with that
I'll just name after Stella.
They are...
1.  If you want to impress the hell out of folks for thousands of years,
build a really big thing out of rock.
2.  The more trouble to go through to drag a big rock somewhere, the
less chance there is that somebody will drag it away again.
dtk
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Subject: Re: 200 ton Blocks
From: Donn Hall
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 23:39:03 -0700
> --
>               A_A    No combat ready unit has ever passed inspection.
> John Davis   (o o)
> ----------oOO-(^)-OOo---------------------------------------------------->                ~                Murphy's Laws of CombatAside from liking your signature. RE: the 200 ton blocks, Archimedes
answered this several hundred year B.C.
Donn
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Subject: Re: Pyramids and Aliens
From: matts2@ix.netcom.com (Matt Silberstein)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 08:12:23 GMT
In sci.archaeology millerwd@ix.netcom.com(wd&aeMiller;) wrote:
>>>number of threads.  The one I'm particularly interested in is the one
>>>discussing whether or not humans built the Great Pyramid, and other
>large
>>>structures around the world.
>>
>(snip)
>>I think it is pretty obvious that they did. I can't image humans being
>>able to build something as large as the Great Pyramid. 
>Oh deary me!  WoW!!!  I guess I'll have to go stand on top of a tall
>building in L.A. now so that they can hit me with their death ray when
>they send their big "V" ships.  Maybe even the Great Pyramid will take
>off like in "Stargate"!  :)
That is a good question. How could anyone have built those buildings?
Must have been aliens. (I mean the space kind, you know the other kind
could not build anything. I mean, if they were here working then that
would mean they were wanted, and that would mean ...)
>(snip, snip)
>>
>>Matt Silberstein
>>-----------------------------
>>The opinions expressed in this post reflect those of the Walt
>>Disney Corp. Which might come as a surprise to them.
>>
>That's actually a pretty funny sig.
What, you like the sig and not the post? Both were, after all, meant
to be funny.
Matt Silberstein
-----------------------------
The opinions expressed in this post reflect those of the Walt
Disney Corp. Which might come as a surprise to them.
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Subject: Re: Language of Normans and Britons
From: Vince Russett <100652.3047@CompuServe.COM>
Date: 14 Sep 1996 08:27:18 GMT
Vince here:
To Harry Hillbrath and everybody on the theme of English royalty:
Please do not lightly dismiss as "scum" or what ever a number of 
people whose only crime is to be descended publicly from people in 
positions of power who behaved in exactly the same way as everyone 
else (remember, however, most British people have more than a 
trace of the genes of the Royal family in them - as do many US 
citizens of British descent - mostly acquired privately).  
Please do not judge the actions of Earl Godwin or his 
contemporaries by modern standards - modern democratic leaders 
would not last five minutes in the positions which these people 
had to hold. 
And I'm sure the British Royal line will be terrified at the 
thought of Mr Hillbrath holding them in low esteem ;-)
This is not intended to be a flame, and I hope it does not offend 
anyone, but remember that many British people do not take lightly 
to such invective.
-- 
This was Vince..
100652.3047@compuserve.com  		UK 01934-742559
Archaeologist, North Somerset Council 	UK 0117-9875171
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