Subject: Re: Origins of Europeans..African Eve Theory
From: S.NEMETH@IX.NETCOM.COM (Stella Nemeth)
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 04:09:23 GMT
grooveyou@aol.com (GROOVE YOU) wrote:
>Fredrick you are mistaken or (what I believe" ) just out and out lying,
>because I feel that you know full well that the African female known as
>the first ancestor of man was not dated at 150,000 years, She was dated
>at about 6million years old. Not only that, they have as recently as 1994
>found male counter parts and children that are from the same group that
>lucy belongs to....Your rediculous and erroneous statements concerning Eve
>is a perfect example of Eurocentric twisting of truth.
He is neither lying nor mistaken. You've managed to confuse two
separate pieces of evidence in the Out of Africa theory. No one is
having any problems with Lucy, as far as I know. Not with her
existance, nor with her dates.
The Eve theory is a whole other thing. Eve is a theory, not bits and
pieces of a physical body. "She" is the result of a computer program
and some DNA experiments. There were problems with the evidence
taking (since dealt with with improved methods and sources of the DNA)
and with the computer program (not yet solved as far as I know).
Stella Nemeth
s.nemeth@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: Advanced Machining in Ancient Egypt?
From: eyeguy@digmo.org (Steve Collins)
Date: 4 Oct 1996 14:00:03 GMT
I have been following the threads on this group for the past five or
six months, and one of the things I've noticed is that many people find
it impossible to credit many ancient achievements to ancient peoples.
I think any discussion of extraterrestrial origins for things such as
the pyramids of Egypt or the monumental works of the New World are
patently ridiculous, especially in this group, which is, supposedly, a
scientific group.
One problem I have with the extraterrestrial origin is this: If ET's
did indeed visit Earth in ancient times, why didn't they teach our
ancestors useful skills, or leave useable technology (such as the
wheel-and-axle or the pulley in the new world). If I, for instance,
was going to direct a primitive people in the construction of sculpture
or buildings, I would teach them mathematics and help them develop a
written language. I would not teach them how to develop the quipu, or
knotted string, as a method of passing on complex information.
The Egyptian civilization was unbroken for thousands of years, far into
historic times. They have always been a conservative and
tradition-bound culture. If they had knowledge and technology far
beyond that of modern civilizations ( or even then contemporary
cultures), it is highly unlikely that such knowledge would be lost, and
less likely that other cultures (e.g., the greeks, who actively sought
knowledge, or the Romans, who were excellant engineers) would not have
discovered this knowledge after centuries of trade and cultural
exchange.
Humans are extremely versatile, intelligent and flexible. Geniuses
arise among every generation, and every culture, in any time and any
place on Earth has left some incredible legacy, wrought by human hands
and conceived of by human minds that even now is incomprehensible to
us, but is still human in origin.
Perhaps we should spend our energy in discovering how humans could do
what has been done, instead of wasting time speculating about aliens,
or mythical kingdoms (Atlantis and Mu).
To refuse to give humans credit for human achievements is to deny the
power of the human mind and belittle all our creative impulses.
Steve Collins (eyeguy@digmo.org)
Subject: Re: Sitchin, Hancock and Bauval on Art Bell tonight (9/27/96)
From: Baron Szabo
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 22:23:26 -0700
August Matthusen wrote:
> [distortedly snipped]
> [the] TV special with West and Schoch on the Sphinx.
I saw it and realized I still hadn't cleared myself up about
something... ;)
Again, how does Gauri et al explain the vertical fissures that appear on
the Sphinx well above the pit enclosure?
Also, how is the roughly 400 year period (according to the show) of
weathering, between its creation and restoration, accounted for. The
show showed about 2.5 to 3 feet of weathering in that time, and stated
that Egyptologists account for it as weathering within about 400 years.
Do you think this is correct?
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Subject: Re: A State of Denial, or finding it hard to accept the facts: was Re: Linguistic diffusion: was Re: Egyptian Tree Words
From: Baron Szabo
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 22:54:03 -0700
Loren Petrich wrote:
> [most snipped]
> If one makes lists, one can notice patterns, and that's what I
> had done.
This is surely good and fine. Finding order and rules is great and
useful. But don't forget the abundant chaos that exists. The
exceptions and the oddballs. While you will discern patterns and
provable general movements and influences, you won't (with this
methodology) learn of exceptional influences, or non-general happenings.
It only takes one oddball traveller to journey to a foreign land and
become an unlikely influence in an unlikely way.
Confining one's self to grand patterns is possibly best for a general
linguist, who is interested in general, provable influences.
Confining one's self to isolated examples is possibly best for finding
spurious and questionable influences or happenings.
Choose your sides or find a happy medium. ;)
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