Subject: Re: the silence of the naked egyptologists
From: fmurray@pobox,com (frank murray)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 18:18:32 GMT
On 12 Oct 1996 16:37:57 GMT, Greg Reeder wrote:
>Frank,
>Why do you persist in this? Your questions and statements were NOT met
>with silence.
each time i asked for evidence (not interpretation, opinion, or
argument) those questions have been met with silence...the sliving
noise of otherword on otherthing is a ruse beneath you, greg...as a
contributing editor of kmt, (an excellant pub) you are required to
distinquish between fact and opinion...here, i demand that you make
the same judgements on your own posts...when i ask what evidence you
have for one of your opinions, and you have none, then intellectual
integrity demands that you so state...
and so: would you please state what evidence you have that a body was
buried inside the coffer (or sarcophagus, if you prefer tha term -
though you might want to think a bit about the implications of its
derivation) at khufu??...
>It is YOU who are silent as to what you think the pyramids
>were used for! You have "alternative" theories? Well lets hear them. Get
>on with it.
i do not pretend to know what those ancients were up to in building
the pyramids...further, i believe that acceptance on faith, rather
than on evidence, hampers inquiry into this mystery...if you have
evidence that the khufu pyramid was built and used as a tomb for a
physical body, please state that evidence??...
in query,
frank
Subject: Question about new discoveries linking Knowth to Iberian peninsula
From: dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell)
Date: 12 Oct 1996 19:51:55 +0100
A friend told me recently that there had been a discovery at Knowth
(in the Boyne valley), linking it to the western part of the Iberian peninsula.
I think she said there may be some evidence of a linguistic link, though my
memory isn't 100% clear. Does anyone know of any references to this discovery?
I've tried using search engines, but none of the sites I've checked have
mentioned this discovery. Pointers of any kind would be welcome, especially to
archaeological journals. (I'd have looked it up in the library here, but I
haven't got a reader's ticket yet - I'm an ex-student.)
Derek
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Subject: Re: Advanced Machining in Ancient Egypt
From: Rodney Small
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 15:19:54 -0700
August Matthusen wrote:
>
> Rodney Small wrote:
> > August Matthusen wrote:
> [snip]
> > > We don't know that they were able to drill at that rate. We know that
> > > there are marks on a core which suggest the tool moved forwards at that
> > > rate. A reaming tool after the initial drilling could scribe the
> > > marks or if during the drilling of the hole the initial bit broke
> > > and was replaced by a new bit (which was slightly "tighter" against
> > > the core) the new bit may scribe such marks. As the material you quoted
> > > indicated that this was the only core that had such marks, it is not
> > > too out of line to consider that something aberrant happened when
> > > making it.
> > >
> > > Re the modern rates: we have drills capable of rapid revolutions and
> > > thus don't need to use high pressures. This helps preserve the diamond
> > > chips (drill bit). The egyptians didn't have rapidly revolving drills;
> > > it may have been more efficient for them to load the bit with a lot of
> > > pressure and turn it slowly.
>
> > Okay, now we may be making progress -- this is the first response that
> > makes a serious attempt to address Petrie's findings. If this core is
> > indeed the only one ever found with such marks, that would perhaps
> > indicate something aberrant having happened. However, I wonder if all
> > Giza cores have been as carefully examined as Petrie examined this one.
>
> From the material you quoted it seems that the cores were all well
> examined and that Petrie took extra time to describe one which varied
> from the norm.
I agree that Petrie carefully examined all the cores he found, but what
about other Giza cores?
> > Also, I still think there is a major problem explaining the enormous
> > pressure that would have had to have been used to drill a core out of
> > granite at the rate of .1 inch per revolution of the drill.
>
> This is easy; place one of the world renowned 200 ton blocks(tm) on
> the drill bit. Seriously, placing a weight on a drill bit and turning
> slowly will cut into rock. Modern drill rigs core different rock
> materials and will vary the rpms and pressure as needed to maintain
> a steady cutting rate.
When you say "placing a weight on a drill bit and turning slowly will cut
into rock" it rather matters what kind of rock one is talking about.
Granite is not exactly easy to cut even with diamond, and Petrie finds no
evidence that jewel was used, even though he states: "The character of
the work would certainly point to diamond as being the cutting jewel..."
> And as I suggested the evidence does not necessarily support that
> the core was drilled at a rate of .1 inch per revolution, only that
> the mark on the core was scribed at this rate.
> > Is there any
> > evidence suggesting how such pressure could have been achieved with a
> > primitive technique? Again, I appreciate the well thought-out reply.
>
> I don't know about evidence fo this, it seems like there is no
> evidence for any of the suggestions.
True, but if what you are hypothesizing about the core is accurate, it
should be possible today to duplicate the marks found on this core by
drilling a similar piece of granite using primitive tools. I would think
if Egyptologists are truly interested in determining how this core was
made, they would be interested in attempting such an experiment. After
all, this is not a case of rebuilding the Great Pyramid, which might take
a while. Anyone on this board care to look into this???
> Regards,
> August Matthusen
Subject: Alaskan Caves and Rock Art
From: Michael John Landem
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 15:35:13 -0600
To all interested parties:
There will be a free lecture at The Meeting Place in the SW
corner of Crossroads Mall in Boulder on Tuesday, October 22 at 7:30 p.m.
Dr. James Dixon, Curator of Archaeology at the Denver Museum of
Natural History, will speak on "Alaskan Caves and Rock Art".
Recent discoveries in southeast Alaska include one cave with
over sixty paintings and in another newly discovered cave system
several kilometers long, possibly the oldest evidence for human
occupation yet discovered in the region: a barbed bone projectile point
associated with the skeleton of a black bear which has been dated to
9,000 B.P.(Before Present).
We hope you will join us for this unique slide show and lecture
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