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Subject: Web page on mesh generation / grid generation: New release -- From: robert@informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Robert Schneiders)
Subject: New mechanical free site -- From: Jean-Luc MARTIN
Subject: Re: FEA - inexpensive software packages? -- From: Morten Falk
Subject: Re: Bolted connections in composites -- From: jnsingle@unity.ncsu.edu (James Neal Singletary)
Subject: Re: Publishing Scholarly Work on the Web -- opinions? -- From: "Matthew W. White"
Subject: Re: Assistance needed with o-ring problem -- From: soffiler@stealth.mc.ti.com (Steve Offiler)
Subject: Re: Assistance needed with o-ring problem -- From: ajmosk@engin.umich.edu (Andrew Moskalik)
Subject: Re: Micro thermo sensor -- From: sripada@blue.seas.upenn.edu (Srinivas Sripada)
Subject: Re: New mechanical free site -- From: niemotka@tetraprec.com
Subject: Re: Tungsten-Rhenium Alloys - data wanted -- From: arosen@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Alan Rosenfield)
Subject: Looking for an Independent Test Lab -- From: meneghin@up.edu (Larry Meneghin)
Subject: Re: Which engineers are more in demand? -- From: "Joe Boothe"
Subject: Re: Publishing Scholarly Work on the Web -- opinions? -- From: doolin@menkar.cs.utk.edu (David Doolin)
Subject: stability of dip brazed aluminium vs casting -- From: 100672.1535@compuserve.com (POG Lasers)
Subject: Looking for Graduate Programs in Automotive Engineering in the South -- From: sdotson@mpinc.com (Sean Dotson)
Subject: isolation of conducted noise -- From: 100672.1535@compuserve.com (POG Lasers)
Subject: Re: PE Liability -- From: "Kevin Rhodes, P.E."
Subject: Construction-Sr. Estimator -- From: eskaggs1@ix.netcom.com(Eric L Skaggs)
Subject: Peltier effect -- From: Pedro Santos
Subject: Re: aluminum on steel linear bearings? -- From: hobdbcgv@aol.com (Hobdbcgv)
Subject: Re: Publishing Scholarly Work on the Web -- opinion anyone? -- From: Nick Kew
Subject: Re: isolation of conducted noise -- From: hobdbcgv@aol.com (Hobdbcgv)
Subject: Brake pad and shoe manufactruring processes -- From: pbrust@www.tecnet.org (Peter C Brust)
Subject: FEA question -- From: milesb@leland.stanford.edu (Craig M. Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Question about Creep -- From: hobdbcgv@aol.com (Hobdbcgv)

Articles

Subject: Web page on mesh generation / grid generation: New release
From: robert@informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Robert Schneiders)
Date: 17 Sep 1996 10:10:00 GMT
I want to announce a new release of my web page with information on 
finite element mesh generation / grid generation: 
http://www-users.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/~roberts/meshgeneration.html
I have added a software section to the page (public domain / commercial). 
In addition I have introduced a secondary index to make the 
page more readable. 
All comments and pointers to other online information are welcome. 
 Robert 
Robert Schneiders
Lehrstuhl fuer Angewandte Mathematik, insb. Informatik 
RWTH Aachen 
Ahornstr. 55
52056 Aachen 
Germany 
email: robert@feanor.informatik.rwth-aachen.de 
WWW: http://www-users.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/~roberts/
Tel.: +241-804558
Fax: +241-8888215
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Subject: New mechanical free site
From: Jean-Luc MARTIN
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 12:54:11 -0700
Hello,
From france, I inform you that a new mechanical site can be reach at :
http://www.machpro.fr
Over 8500 free pages can be consult.
The biggest french site...
Machining centers, Milling machines, Drilling, EDM, cutting tools, etc...
Have a nice surf :-)
Jean-Luc MARTIN
jlmartin@machpro.fr
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Subject: Re: FEA - inexpensive software packages?
From: Morten Falk
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 23:29:55 -0700
Eric559810 wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know of or use an inexpensive (<$3000) FEA software package?
> If you sell such a package, please e-mail me directly with more
> information.
> 
> -Eric
Hi Eric
Look out ALGOR http://www.algor.com . They have an excelent low-price
and high quality FEA-software. 
Morten Falk
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Subject: Re: Bolted connections in composites
From: jnsingle@unity.ncsu.edu (James Neal Singletary)
Date: 16 Sep 1996 14:02:18 GMT
Oroginal poster wrote:
>> I'm reviewing someone else's design of a bolted connection in a composite 
>> structure (a metal plate loaded parallel to a glass reinforced plastic 
>> plate with several bolts in essentially single shear)....
Barry Berenberg (berenberg@caent11.esa.lanl.gov) wrote:
> ...On a project a few years ago, we had to answer this same question.  We
> ended up running tests of representative laminates.  The bearing
> strength depends not only on the strength of the laminate, but on the
> proportion of different angle plies (you want about equal amounts of
> 0, 45, and 90 plies), and on the amount of fabric versus tape (fabric
> is much better).  The bearing strength is also highly dependent on the
> pre-load of the bolt.  In our case, a fully-torqued joint had a
> bearing strength greater than twice that of a pinned joint...
The original poster cited a typical fiber volume fraction of his 
composites as 35%, from which I assume that the fibers are a mat, 
not unidirectional laminate or cloth.  However, I would like to 
ammend the last poster's implication about whether or cloth laminates 
have generally better bolt strength in general than laminates, or 
visa-versa.  
From what I have seen in the literature, the conclusion about which
reinforcement system has a better bolt-bearing strength is contradictory
and somewhat inconclusive.  Some researchers consolidate a panel, and then 
drill through it, and test that.  Others form the fiber architecture with
a hole already in it (be it a random mat, or a cloth preform woven or 
braided around a pin), and then consolidate and test that.  Honestly, it
seems that the composite with the strongest bolt-bearing strength is always
found to be the one that the rsearchers spent the most time making...
I do not know if the question of whether or not cloth-reinforced composites 
have better bolt bearing strength than nominally similar laminated 
composites, and why so many previous researchers have reached contradictory 
conclusions, has yet been authoritatively resolved.
I am sorry to wax a little academic -- this probably isn't of much concern 
to the original poster...
Regards,
James Singletary
--
Jumpin' James Neal Singletary | 
NCSU College of Textiles      |        ``Blond.  Spritzig.  Wuerzig.''
(919) 515-4399                |
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Subject: Re: Publishing Scholarly Work on the Web -- opinions?
From: "Matthew W. White"
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 10:25:33 -0400
I think you have to consider two aspects of this discussion:
First, what is "publishing" with respect to scholarly works?  The peer review process for technical 
publications and the editoral process of the popular press add credability and legitimacy to the work in 
question.  A researcher can employ a vanity press to print a book with his pet theories without 
consideration of merit.  Thus you have to take a very guarded approach to using these references.  Just 
publishing faster w/o regard to quality is not an answer.
Please don't get me wrong - I think the WWW is the wave of the future for making technical information 
available.  Edison Welding Institute has established a site just for this purpose, and we include documents 
and links to non-reviewed and interim works.  However, we try to distinguish between these and papers which 
have undergone more scrutiny.  There are also some documents which we do not include, as they don't appear 
to be credible sources.  This is a critical role for all organizations which attempt to provide public 
information services
Second, how do you reference these documents?  Hopefully you can identify the author and the site from 
which you accessed the document.  I would think you would want to perform some additional verification of 
the author, etc.  Also, subject to copywrite restrictions, I think one would want to keep a copy of the 
document (hard copy and/or file).  At this point, I don't think you can depend on archives.
Matthew W. White
Edison Welding Institute
http://www.ewi.org
matthew_white@ewi.org
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Subject: Re: Assistance needed with o-ring problem
From: soffiler@stealth.mc.ti.com (Steve Offiler)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 09:30:22
In article <51l66h$8sa@uhura.phoenix.net> jflester@phoenix.net (Jeff Lester) writes:
>From: jflester@phoenix.net (Jeff Lester)
>Subject: Assistance needed with o-ring problem
>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 03:38:14 GMT
>I have an o-ring problem.  I have a radially compressed
>o-ring with a 5/16" cross section diameter.  The joint
>is a static one sealing primarily air.  The operating temp
>is approximately 300 degF and operating pressure is
>90 psig.  The o-ring is also exposed to water and small
>concentrations of anhydrous ammonia.
>Any ideas on material...?  What would the recommended
>gland dimensions be?
>Any assistance would be appreciated.
>Sincerely,
>Jeff Lester
Jeff:
Give Parker O-Rings a call.  (Dang, can't find my catalog right now or I'd 
give you the number...)
Their catalog contains a wealth of useful, practical design and application 
information.  I've used it successfully many times in the past.
Stephen B. Offiler, P.E.
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Subject: Re: Assistance needed with o-ring problem
From: ajmosk@engin.umich.edu (Andrew Moskalik)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 14:30:56 GMT
In Article <51l66h$8sa@uhura.phoenix.net>, jflester@phoenix.net (Jeff
Lester) wrote:
>I have an o-ring problem.  I have a radially compressed
>o-ring with a 5/16" cross section diameter.  The joint
>is a static one sealing primarily air.  The operating temp
>is approximately 300 degF and operating pressure is
>90 psig.  The o-ring is also exposed to water and small
>concentrations of anhydrous ammonia.
>Any ideas on material...?
Ethylene propylene has good resitance to water and anhydrous ammonia and has
a temperature range up to 300 degrees F.  Silicone is slightly less suitable
for ammonia but can be compounded to withstand temps up to 700 F.
>What would the recommended gland dimensions be?
You probably want a squeeze of 15% to 20% of the o-ring cross-section and a
groove width 35% or so wider than the diameter.
Most of your questions are answered in the Parker O-ring Handbook, available
from Parker O-ring division for free (last I knew).  Extremely useful for
anyone thinking about specifying O-rings.  Highly recommended.  They also
have an O-ring design hotline (sorry; don't know the #) where they can
answer your questions.
Andrew Moskalik
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Subject: Re: Micro thermo sensor
From: sripada@blue.seas.upenn.edu (Srinivas Sripada)
Date: 17 Sep 1996 14:39:12 GMT
Thomas Wynsen (tcwynsen@ccgate.hac.com) wrote:
: I am looking for a micro sensor on the magnitude of .3 in x .3 in x .3 in.
: or smaller to attach to a circuit board.  The inside of the board are very
: confining thus the need for a very small component.  I need it to turn off
: or on between -55 C and 0 C. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
: tcwynsen@ccgate.hac.com
Depending on your application, a thermocouple or thermopile could do
the job. I have used thermocouples as small as 0.002 inch in
dia. About switching on and off, you could hook up a relay switch or a
software controller to acheive that. Check with  OMEGA (www.omega.com)
for example, for a thermcouple appropriate to your change. You can
also consider thermistors,semiconductor based thermal sensors. Omega
may help you with details about these too.
--
Srinivas
            http://homepage.seas.upenn.edu/~sripada/son.html
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Subject: Re: New mechanical free site
From: niemotka@tetraprec.com
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 12:49:11 GMT
If you are interested in machine tool accuracy and precision, and a
new instrument to measure it, check out http://www.tetraprec.com/tetra
Jean-Luc MARTIN  wrote:
>Hello,
>From france, I inform you that a new mechanical site can be reach at :
>http://www.machpro.fr
>Over 8500 free pages can be consult.
>The biggest french site...
>Machining centers, Milling machines, Drilling, EDM, cutting tools, etc...
>Have a nice surf :-)
>Jean-Luc MARTIN
>jlmartin@machpro.fr
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Subject: Re: Tungsten-Rhenium Alloys - data wanted
From: arosen@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Alan Rosenfield)
Date: 17 Sep 1996 09:17:32 -0400
: I am having trouble locating thermal and mechanical data for 
: Tungsten-Rhenium alloys.  Can anyone out there suggest a good place
: to look?
A lot of work on Rhenium alloys of Group VI metals was published in the
1960's
by R.I. Jaffee and colleagues at Battelle.  Of the authors, Jaffee and
Gilbert are deceased.  You can try George Hahn at Vanderbilt U. in
Nashville TN or C.N.Reid, retired in Australia.  You also might ask J.G.
(Graham) Booth at Salford U., who may have generated some physical data
and should have an up-to-date address for Reid.
-- 
Al Rosenfield
1650 Ridgway Pl., Columbus OH 43212 USA
phone: 614/486-8892; fax: 614/481-8038
e-mail 
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Subject: Looking for an Independent Test Lab
From: meneghin@up.edu (Larry Meneghin)
Date: 17 Sep 1996 09:11:17 -0700
I need to find an independent test lab that can do a comparative study of
traditional lead-acid automotive batteries.  A location near Miami,
Florida would be preferable but not necessary.  Any suggestions out
there?
Thanks in Advance
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Subject: Re: Which engineers are more in demand?
From: "Joe Boothe"
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 17:03:53 GMT
It is really personal preference.  If you specialize, like aerospace,  You
can limit your self on the jobs you can get.  Basically, an car company
would most likely hire a Mechanical engineer over an Aerospace.  This is my
opinion thought and if I could do it agian I think I would go Aerospace or
lean towards that in ME.
t0kx@unb.ca wrote in article <32374FD7.7A60@unb.ca>...
> Of mechanical, electrical, and aerospace, which engineer is more in
> demand?  And which would you do if you were interested in all 3?  (or
> all 8 for that matter) Thank-you kindly.
> 
> 
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Subject: Re: Publishing Scholarly Work on the Web -- opinions?
From: doolin@menkar.cs.utk.edu (David Doolin)
Date: 17 Sep 1996 11:44:13 GMT
In article <323DB1F3.2781@mae.carleton.ca>, Chad English  writes:
|> Kirk Kerekes wrote:
|> 
|> Agreed.  But that's not quite the issue I was bringing up.  A conference and a
|> journal issue are events that occur in time.  Even with a medium change, you
|> can (hopefully) find information from either of those by referencing the
|> event.  Using a URL is like referencing the library, not the event.  If the
|> URL is permanently associated with the paper, which doesn't make sense down
|> the road when things change (URL's change, storage mediums change), then it's
|> not a problem.  I was just looking for a way to permanently reference the
|> paper.  Perhaps if we approached the archive as a series of journals, give it
|> a permanent name, etc, and then use the dates, it may be better.
|> 
*We* have one good shot at doing this right, 'cause it will get done.
As an unpublished (no refereed pubs) grad student, I find the issue 
particularly relevant and interesting.  What I have done is convert
my stuff (conference offprints) to html and stick them on my web page.
I include the name of the copyright holder and that the documents are
offprints from such and such conference.   Since I use LaTeX, html is 
no extra effort, I just type a command and out pops the html, graphs, tables,
figures, references, etc.
What I am curious about is how the copyright holders are going to 
deal with it.  
In my opinion, ED's (electronic documents) ought to be archived by a dedicated
server similar to a library.  The peer review system probably should
stay more or less intact.  Publication would consist of periodic 
collections of peer reviewed material available online under a 
title.  The geotechnical community is expecting it's first issue
of just such a `journal.'
This is going to be really interesting.  As an interdisciplinary
effort, it had better include the library science folks as well
as the science and engineering community.  
Dave D
|> 
|> > How many 50-year-old academic papers have you _directly_ referenced?
|> 
|> Well, I can think of at least 2 greater than 50, and quite a few in the 25-30
|> years ago range, from my Master's thesis alone.  Some fundamental works will
|> be referenced for quite some time.
|> 
|> 
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Subject: stability of dip brazed aluminium vs casting
From: 100672.1535@compuserve.com (POG Lasers)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:37:16 GMT
Which is more stable over temperature and time, dip brazed aluminium
alloy, cast, or machined from solid.  Has anyone got test results.
What are the recommended heat treatments for best stability.
Please reply by Email, thanks, John McGruer.
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Subject: Looking for Graduate Programs in Automotive Engineering in the South
From: sdotson@mpinc.com (Sean Dotson)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 17:58:29 GMT
I am currently a undergrad (soon to be grad) student at the University
of Florida and I am wondering if anyone knows about any schools in the
South (not necessarily in FL) that offer Masters and/or PhD programs
in Mechanical Enginerring with a speciality in Automotive Engineering.
UF has a wonder grad program, but no emphasis on auto engineering.
Any help or info would be much appreciated.  Thank you for your time..
Sean Dotson
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Subject: isolation of conducted noise
From: 100672.1535@compuserve.com (POG Lasers)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:44:19 GMT
we have a problem with noise in an electronic product created by a
high voltage discharge lamp similar to a camera flashlamp.  The noise
seems to be conducted through the lampholder to the structure. We need
to find a means of isolating the noise while still conducting heat to
keep the lamp cool.  Can anyone suggest suitable designs or materials
or offer consultancy in this field.
Please reply by Email, thanks, John McGruer
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Subject: Re: PE Liability
From: "Kevin Rhodes, P.E."
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 11:53:59 -0700
Eric Mieczkowski wrote:
> 
> Thanks for an excellent reply.  Let me run through this with you and make sure I'm
> understanding it all.
> 
> hobdbcgv@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >  < SNIP >
> >
> >    There is at least one common thread, however.  If you perform work
> > which involves "technical matters relating to life, health, safety, or the
> > public welfare" and are not a licensed PE, you are "liable" from actions
> > contrary to law and "liable" for punishment under the law, that separate
> > from any civil actions under "tort law".
> 
> So, if you're not a licensed PE and your work violates some aspect of the law,
> you're criminally liable in addition to being civally liable.  Let me turn this
> one around.  If you DO hold a PE license and your work violates some aspect of the
> law, are you liable in the same manner (i.e. criminal and civil)?
> 
> >
> > < SNIP >
> >
> >    Also, sometimes having the PE responsibilty allows the corporate veil
> > to be pierced because corporations cannot "own" the license and thus the
> > actions are viewed as the joint and several responsibility of the person
> > and the corporation.
> 
> What you are saying is that by obtaining licensing as a PE, I can no longer be
> treated as a member of a corporation for liability purposes, but rather exist as a
> seperately liable legal entity.
> 
> If I am reading this correctley, what seems to be true is that criminal liability
> is reduced or eliminated by PE licensing, but the risk of civil liability is
> increased.
> 
> Thank you sincerely for helping me wrestle with this.  I just can't seem to get
> good information on this anywhere.
> 
> Eric
I run an engineering firm in Kentucky.  Not only am I licensed by the 
Board, but so is my firm.  Hope it helps.
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Subject: Construction-Sr. Estimator
From: eskaggs1@ix.netcom.com(Eric L Skaggs)
Date: 17 Sep 1996 19:45:56 GMT
CONSTRUCTION
Senior Estimator
Senior Estimator:  Silicone Valley High-Purity Piping Contractor seeks 
Senior Estimator with experience estimating high-purity piping systems.
Responsibilities include project plan and specification review;
preperation
accurate quantity takeoffs; determination of labor, material and
equipment
costs; coordination and evaluation of subcontractor solicitations;
preperation
of conceptual estimates; and assists with maintaining good client and 
supplier relationships.  Excellent benefits.  Salary commenserate with
experience.
All replies will be held in strict confidence.
EOE
FAX only resume:  Operations Manager  510-689-0671
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Subject: Peltier effect
From: Pedro Santos
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 17:39:09 +0100
Hello
I am looking for information about thermoelectric peltier effect
for refrigeration of materials. Please advise me of the best
literature to start studying this matter.
Regards
Pedro :->
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Subject: Re: aluminum on steel linear bearings?
From: hobdbcgv@aol.com (Hobdbcgv)
Date: 17 Sep 1996 15:51:29 -0400
 A couple of the sintered bearing makers design booklets had information
on aluminum on steel guides. OilLite was one. 
  As I remember on the guides I made,  and per sources,  all was well if
you kept the loads under 50 psi. I felt these levels were acceptable more
to keep the penetration thru the oxide down, because within hours of
opening the aluminum forms aluminum oxide, which is very hard and wears
extremely well, but even when deep anodized is only a thousandth thick.
The steel can easily deform the softer under-aluminum.
  Wore like iron, ruined if a steel part was dropped on it. 
Hope it helps.
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Subject: Re: Publishing Scholarly Work on the Web -- opinion anyone?
From: Nick Kew
Date: 16 Sep 1996 22:27:16 GMT
> I agree and support the concept.  The problem I see is that it may be
> that many of the scientific journals will not be happy about being
> second in line for a paper though it could force them to provide
> electronic subscriptions.
My original suggestion is to hold *abstracts* online, with the provision
to hold full papers where appropriate.   Keeping abstracts in an easily-
searchable website would surely be a valuable service to researchers,
while referring them to the traditional publishing media for full papers.
My software will index and cross-reference the abstracts, and has the option
to hold any or all of the full papers online according to publisher choice.
As others have pointed out, the peer-review process is an important element
of academic publishing.   I believe web-based collaboration software can
be used to facilitate this process, providing a forum ("workgroup") whose
members are a paper's authors together with recognised referees in a
subject area.   Such papers may have readonly access to the general public
(or subscribers-only if a publisher prefers) while in the review process,
thus accelerating the publication cycle.
The technology is ready: we need only apply it!
Nick Kew.
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Subject: Re: isolation of conducted noise
From: hobdbcgv@aol.com (Hobdbcgv)
Date: 17 Sep 1996 15:31:06 -0400
Is the noise continuous or singular? (a steady hum or a single ping or
bang)
  Since there is a wavelength associated with mechanical vibration and
you're probably not seeking active control,  if you can determine the
frequency you can then add an equivalent spring-mass system to remove the
noise (such as a "bulbed" tab on a lead along the axis of the offending
system) , you can isolate using parts whose natural frequency is less than
the offending frequency (like using a series of "zig-zag"ed heat
conductors rather than one wire), or you can damp it out with a conducting
elastomeric such as 3M rubber electrical wrapping tape (NOT ordinary
rubber electrical wrapping tape) -note this is not the common electrical
tape used for insulating electrically.  
   If it is a singular "ping" and it involves heat, you almost always find
it by looking for a contained device that can suddenly release when
heated, and removing the restraint.
  There are other more exotic sources for noise, but I think these are the
most common/easiest fixes. 
   Let me know what you find.
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Subject: Brake pad and shoe manufactruring processes
From: pbrust@www.tecnet.org (Peter C Brust)
Date: 17 Sep 1996 17:22:03 GMT
I'm looking for general information on the process steps needed to 
produce brake pads and shoes.  I know that the friction material 
'recipes' are propriety but I'm looking for the processes used to 
form the pads, blank out the back plates and attach the pads to the 
plates. (I've seen some that are riveted but I find it hard to 
believe that Bendix, GM-Delco, etc. are stil riveting.)  Any journal 
articles or books defining the processes would be of great help. It 
would be even better if you can refer me to an individual who has 
industry experience in the area and is available to work as a 
consultant on a 2-6 week project.  
Respond via E-Mail please.
Peter C. Brust
Pbrust@swri.org
Thanks in advance
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Subject: FEA question
From: milesb@leland.stanford.edu (Craig M. Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 11:12:42 -0800
I am performing a 2-D, plane-stress, linear static analysis using ANSYS,
and I am running into a "small negative pivot" error which prevents the
analysis from running. I was under the impression that this error can
occur when the model is not properly constrained, and you obtain
rigid-body motion. I believe I have constrained my model correctly, but I
still get the error. Are there other potential causes for a small negative
pivot error?
Thanks,
Craig
*****************************************
Craig M. Lawrence
Ph.D. Candidate
Mechanical Engineering - Design Division
Stanford University
email: milesb@leland.stanford.edu
phone: (415) 725-1595
fax:   (415) 723-3521
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Subject: Re: Question about Creep
From: hobdbcgv@aol.com (Hobdbcgv)
Date: 17 Sep 1996 16:09:29 -0400
    It is my understanding that springs have some residual stresses from
the forming process, and this can affect spring performance. I have heard
this change in residual stress, as well as changes from overworking, 
referred to as spring creep, which is different than creep in materials.
    I have some reference materials regarding creep in materials, but the
stresses at which these occur would be beyond any reasonable spring
design.  I would think that any spring using that high a stress would have
very short-lived and deteriorating  spring characteristics.
    I would check in a good spring design book. I think Alllied Spring had
a good one.  Unless it's a materials research project, you're probably
safer to stick with available spring materials.
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