Subject: 2nd CFV: sci.engr.joining.misc, sci.engr.joining.welding
From: jjd@primenet.com (Jim Davis)
Date: 16 Dec 1996 04:23:46 -0000
LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group sci.engr.joining.misc
unmoderated group sci.engr.joining.welding
Newsgroup lines:
sci.engr.joining.misc Joining of materials for manufacture & repair.
sci.engr.joining.welding Welding of materials for manufacture & repair.
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Proponent: Dr. Martin P. Jones
Proponent: Matthew W. White
Mentor: Jonathan Grobe
Votetaker: Jim Davis
RATIONALE: sci.engr.joining.misc
Materials joining plays an integral role in the fabrication,
manufacturing, and repair of virtually all structures and devices. These
operations are a significant source of added value and have a major impact
on reliability and performance. The technologies associated with successful
joining of materials span a wide range of engineering and scientific
disciplines. Advances in materials, design, manufacturing and industrial
engineering, process control and automation all interact to increase the
complexity of each joining application. A newsgroup dedicated to discussion
of joining-related issues will greatly facilitate communication between
scientists, engineers, and manufacturers with common challenges. It would
also provide a platform for cross-disciplinary exchange on joining-related
issues. The newsgroup, sci.engr.joining.misc, is proposed, not as a catchall
group, but as a rational starting point for joining related groups under the
sci.engr.joining hierarchy.
RATIONALE: sci.engr.joining.welding
Welding is one of the most common joining processes utilized in manufacturing
and fabrication today. The International Institute of Welding/Institut de
Soudure currently identifies over 140 separate welding processes and allied
technologies, ranging from arc welding for thick section steel fabrication to
the wire bonding processes used in electronics manufacture. These operations
are a significant source of added value and have a major impact on system
reliability and performance. The technologies associated with successful
welding span a wide range of engineering and scientific disciplines.
Advances in materials, design, manufacturing and industrial engineering,
process control and automation all interact to increase the complexity of each
joining application. A recent Deja News search revealed over 4,000 posts on
welding-related topics across USENET. This indicates more than sufficient
interest to create a welding newsgroup. A newsgroup dedicated to discussion
of welding topics will greatly facilitate communication between scientists,
engineers, and manufacturers with common challenges. It would also provide a
platform for cross-disciplinary exchange on welding-related issues. The
newsgroup sci.engr.joining.welding is proposed for the exchange of scientific
information and technical discussion of welding issues.
CHARTER: sci.engr.joining.misc
A newsgroup dedicated to the exchange of scientific information and
discussion of technical issues relating to the general joining of
materials for manufacture and repair. Anyone interested will be
welcome to participate in discussions about, but not limited to:
1.. Joining methods: mechanical fasteners, adhesive, thermal spraying.
2. Other disciplines impacted by joining: nondestructive testing,
quality control, mechanical testing, materials engineering, structural
design.
3. Professional society activities related to joining: Adhesion
Society of Japan, American Welding Society, Croatian Welding Society,
Japan Welding Society, International Institute of Welding, ASM
International, ASME International, American Society for Testing and
Materials, American Society for Nondestructive Testing, British Institute
of Non-Destructive Testing
4. Employment opportunities within the joining technology field.
5. Educational resources and events.
6. Upcoming conferences related to joining.
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CHARTER: sci.engr.joining.welding
A newsgroup dedicated to the exchange of scientific information and
discussion of technical issues relating to the joining of materials by
welding for manufacture and repair. Anyone interested will be welcome
to participate in discussions about, but not limited to:
1. Welding methods: resistance welding, arc welding, brazing, oxyfuel
gas welding, soldering, solid state welding.
2. Other disciplines impacted by welding: nondestructive testing,
quality control, mechanical testing, materials engineering, structural
design.
3. Professional society activities related to welding: American
Welding Society, Croatian Welding Society, Japan Welding Society,
American Society for Testing and Materials, American Society for
Nondestructive Testing, International Institute of Welding, ASM
International, ASME International, British Institute of Non-Destructive
Testing.
4. Employment opportunities within the welding technology field.
5. Educational resources and events.
6. Upcoming conferences related to welding.
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sci.engr.joining Bounce List - No need to revote
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aholk@198.4.75.52 Alan Holk
bob@foulger1.demon.co.uk R. J. Foulger
"Your Lanid"@Inland.com Dennis A. Smith
Subject: Re: What's in a Job Title ?
From: glenn.thomson@comdev.ca (Glenn Thomson)
Date: 16 Dec 1996 15:08:24 GMT
In article <32ACB6DB.600B@astral.magic.ca>,
"G. Shane J. Lafreniere" wrote:
>
>Nägel wrote:
>>
>> John H. wrote:
>>
Snip
>> Looking at my collage diploma (which was only a 2 year course) it
>> clearnly states "Commercial Engineer". I've been calling myself that
>> for years and nobody has gave me a hard time about it,...... yet....
>
>
>Nagel,
>
>Well, good thing you not in Ontario, Canada, or any other province for
>that matter.
>
>Within Canada, it is a provincial and federal offence to use the term
>'engineer' in your job title unless you are a licenced practioner.
>
>Canada passed the Professional Engineers Act in 1990, and along with the
>Ritual Calling of an Engineer, (if you notice a Canadian engineer with a
>battered Iron ring on their working hand...) the job title, whether
>working for a company, or on your own private business card will not
>allow you or your company to use those terms.
>
>As well, being a self-governing, self regulated (within provincial
>boundaries), there are also different levels of 'Service' or licences
>that can be obtained. These range from a Temp Licence, to a "Consulting
>Engineer" title.
>
>There is a rather lengthy, formal process to be followed to obtain a
>licence (which I'm currently doing) and be able to practice within
>Canada as a Professional Engineer.
>
> With this extra work, comes extra responsibility. All practicing
>Engineers have special Certificates and Liability insurance either at
>the personal level, or at the employer-company level.
>
>Hence, not only can a skilled person who may do a similiar job in
>Canada NOT use an Engineering title, but those who do need special
>Licences to practice.
I'd like to know what locomotive engineers and stationary engineers call
themselves in your part of Ontario, then.
Cheers,
Glenn Thomson, P. Eng.
Subject: Re: PRO-E
From: trickys@ix.netcom.com (Tricky S)
Date: 17 Dec 1996 00:51:04 GMT
In article <19961215041700.XAA16604@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
jnovak6204@aol.com (JNovak6204) wrote:
> my company is toying with the idea about switching software packages from
> microstation to PRO-E. It seems very expensive but I heard it is good.
> Before I take the plunge is anybody using this software? is it worth it?
> does it save time?
> thank you for your comments. John A. Novak P.E.
> please e-mail or post message. jnovak6204@aol.com
I have used Microstation and AutoCAD as well as PRO/E, although I only
used Microstation briefly. The similarity between the 2 is that both have
a similar interface (UNIX-like, even on non-UNIX platforms). However,
Microstation / AutoCAD and similar programs are primarily for 2-D
drafting, with some 3-D features thrown in. I think Microstation's 3D
abilities exceed AutoCAD's by far, though. PRO/E on the other hand is a
parametric 3-D modelling software, with very capable 2-D drafting
abilities (although it lacks some of the bells & whistles of other 2-D CAD
programs). In PRO/E, everything is built around the 3-D model. Once the
model is done, the 2-D drawing almost generates itself; this is one of the
things that really impressed me about PRO/E. Modelling in PRO/E is alot
different that drawing the same part in 2-D. In PRO/E, you model much as
you might actually machine the part.
If your company does alot of work w/ mechanical systems and would like the
option of easily integrating CAM w/ your CAD system, PRO/E may be the way
to go. PRO/E can definitely be a big timesaver - I love it. For primarily
2-D drafting work where few major design changes are made, a 2-D CAD
program would probably do the job just as well as PRO/E for less money,
though.
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Subject: Re: Percentage of 4 Year Graduates taking the EIT Exam
From: jeffers@as.net
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 96 04:16:48 GMT
On 12/13/96 8:21AM, in message <58rla5$mik@primus.ac.net>, Thomas S. Blue
wrote:
> cliff wrote:
>
> >Can anyone provide information on the approximate percentage of
> >graduate students in 4 year engineer programs who take the EIT exam.
>
> >I realize there are other factors that fiqure in such as students that
> >go on for masters and doctorates and then take the EIT. I'm just
> >interested in 4 year programs of engineering or engineering technology.
>
> >Thanks, Cliff W.
>
> Cliff,
>
> Most students I know take the EIT during the last semester of the
> senior year. I think you'll find the percentages run along the various
> disciplines. Civil, environmental, agricultural students/engineers
> tend to go towards the EIT/PE route. Electrical, industrial, chemical
> students/engineers tend not to go towards the EIT/PE route. At least,
> that's what I have seen.
>
>
> +
> Thomas S. Blue - tsblue@longleaf.com - www.longleaf.com
> Environmental Consulting and Engineering
> PhD student - Civil Engineering & Soil Science
> +
>
For what it's worth, I HAD to take the EIT (unless you took the GRE) in
order for me to graduate.
Darin
jeffers@as.net
