Subject: Re: upside down paint
From: Roger Byarlay
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 17:05:04 -0800
Natalie K. Hinman wrote:
>
> Hi, I work for a surveyor, and we often use upside down spray cans to
> paint traverse stations, PKs, etc on the road. We always have trouble
> with the sprayer clogging up and stopping, even though there's plenty of
> paint still in the can. We always purge the sprayer after using it and
> keep the cap on when not in use. Can anyone recommend a brand that works
> better than this? Thanks. Natalie
Natalie,
We use the brand Seymore(sp?) and have very little trouble with the tips clogging. We
use alot (at times a case or two a week) of white and blue for marking sta. along a C/L.
We also use a little florescent orange for marking trav. pts. and ect. But I don't
know all the colors Seymore has if you would like something different.
Roger
Subject: Retracing compass surveys
From: saramc@cc.utexas.edu (Kent McMillan)
Date: 8 Nov 1996 03:15:36 GMT
For the last five or six years, I have used the US Historical Declination
software developed by the National Geophysical Data Center, and have found
it enormously useful in connection with the retracement of old surveys
originally run with magnetic compasses. In case other land surveyors may
find it also of interest, I'm passing along the information that the
USHD software (a DOS program) can be downloaded via:
file://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov/Solid_Earth/Mainfld_Mag/historic_usa/ushdall.exe
The self-inflating files are 231K and include the file "ushd.txt" that
explains the very simple operation of the software.
This software calculates the magnetic declination at any particular lat. and
long. in the continental US over a range of dates that depends upon the
data base from which the model was derived. Back to the 1700's in the Eastern US -
not so far back in the West. In Central Texas, it provides very
good estimates back to the 1830's.
Surveyors outside the US may find useful magnetic models at:
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/seg/potfld/geomag.html
In more civilized parts of the world where surveyors actually knew what the
declination was, these historical estimates are probably not so useful, but
I would think that any surveyor retracing lines run either on magnetic
bearings or on some stated (but erroneous) declination would like to have this
resource.
Kent McMillan, RPLS
Austin TX
Subject: Re: plat lines (was property line dispute)
From: parsont@peak.org (Tyler Parsons)
Date: 8 Nov 1996 03:23:37 GMT
In article , jbroadus@seanet.com says...
>
>
>In article writes:
>
>>
>> Here is a commom example. Suppose you lived in a subdivision where
>> twenty-five equal sized lots were created, shown on a single subdivision
>> plat, and your property was purchased based upon this plat. When it came
>> time to relocate the corners of your property, it would be necessary to
>> locate the corners which originally created the exteriors of the
>> subdivision. It is the location of these corners which were used in order
>> to establish the location of the corners within.
>>
>> In addition to finding the original corners, it is necessary to find out
>> who has Junior-Senior rights. Which tract had occupation first, you (and
>> your predecessors) or your neighbor (and his predecessors)?
>>
>
>This raises a topic which I have been a bit curious about. Is this method o
>f
>surveying of lots in a subdivision a regional thing, or is it particularly
>common? By that question I am referring to the concern with junior-senior
>rights in a subdivision plat. I know that in at least some areas (such as
>where I work, in Washington State) most surveys in subdivisions are done wit
>h
>the presumption that all the lots have equal seniority, dating to the record
>ing
>of the plat, regardless of the date of the lot sales. Also, where I work,
>interior monuments and corners would more often be used to control other
>interior corners, with the exterior corners used to determine lines for the
>interior lot lines to close against.
[cut}
>
>Jerry Broadus
>
In Oregon, all the lots in a subdivision and parcels in a partition are created
at the time the plat is recorded. There are no senior rights between the lots or
parcels.
Tyler B. Parsons
Oregon
Subject: Re: plat lines (was property line dispute)
From: "James F. McNees"
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 21:32:54 -0800
> Just wanted to clarify my point.
>
> When discussing junior-senior rights, I was referring more to a
> subdivision which was created piece by piece (although I've noticed that
> is not obvious when reading the original message)). Such as someone
> subdividing and selling portions of their property at different times.
>
> If work is being done in a subdivision created by a plat, I agree, all the
> lots should be considered equal and the corners within the subdivision
> carefully examined.
>
> Jason G. Racette
It sounds to me that what you are really talking about is a series of
indiviual lot splits, and not a true subdivision. In a subdivision all
the lots are created at one time when the plat is recorded, and so all
the lots have a proportional right to the land. If a person owns a large
piece of land, and sells off a lot and then a year later another and so
on until he has sold off all of the lots then he has created a situation
where senior rights rule over later created junior right. It is
important to see how the lots are described in the deeds that transfer
title as well as how they were platted. It would be an interesting
situation if the plat that created the lots was not referred to in the
deed that transfered title to the land. What do you think about that
situation.
Subject: Re: Fathometer
From: rortt@mgs.dnr.md.gov (Richard A. Ortt, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 04:37:43 GMT
John,
Depending upon your need, fathometers range in price and quality a lot. You can
get a $200 Eagle or a $10,000 Odom fathometer. As far as your RS232 output, you
should be looking for a NMEA interface. This interface is really a RS422 but a
1K resister between the recieve and ground turns it into a RS232. The data
string is ASCII and it looks something like this.
$DPDPT,12.1,4,2
Check out the manual for the one you buy.
-Rich
"John Hamilton" wrote:
>I'm looking for information on fathometers, in particular a simple unit
>with an RS232 output. Any phone numbers/URL's would be appreciated.
>--
>John Hamilton
>jhamilton@pa.adrinc.com
Richard A. Ortt, Jr. | rortt@mgs.dnr.md.gov
2300 St. Paul Street | rortt@clark.net
Baltimore, MD 21218 |
http://mgs.dnr.md.gov
Subject: Re: Different surveys & encroachments - "Mortgage Surveys"
From: vanpool@nando.net (Garry VanPool)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 13:04:15 GMT
On 6 Nov 1996 23:52:21 GMT, copls@aol.com wrote:
> Granted there are many "mortgage loan" surveys done that are
>poorly done, this is only because these surveyors know they can
>get away with it. Now, if there was tight regulation (by self
>policing) concerning Location Certificates and Land Surveying,
>the quality of the product would obviously get better, and a
>higher fee would obviously be charged. Don't complain about it,
>do something about it!
>
In North Carolina the board of registration does not recognize
"mortgage surveys". Any survey done for a closing of property must
conform to the same standards as a 100 acre boundary survey. This
type of ruling would eleiminate "quick" inspections surveys. But even
with the ruling in NC, some surveyors still do not set property
corners, or follow the surveying requirements.
Subject: Re: Plotter Recommendations?
From: leegreen@aol.com
Date: 8 Nov 1996 14:43:20 GMT
We have two HP E-size plotters, an HP600 and HP650C (color). I'd recommend
the color HP650C or 750C if your budgets allows. Color plots make many
presentation easy to get the point across.
Lee Green
Fisher Associates PE, LS, PC
________________________________________________________
Lionel E. (Lee) Green
Survey/CAD Tech, Systems Admin
Fisher Associates P.E., L.S., P.C.
Clyde, New York 14433
Email: leegreen@aol.com
HTTP://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/fisher_assoc
Subject: House encraochment
From: p324ftrqs1@aol.com
Date: 8 Nov 1996 15:46:31 GMT
To all that responded to my encroachment problem titled "different surveys
&
encroachments;
Thank you for your responses concerning my 3.2 feet encroachment of my
house into an utility easement.
My issue is that had I known about the encroachment prior to purchasing my
house, I would have either remedied the problem or I would not had
purchased
the property. But not I'm left holding the bag, because of an inept
'professional' land surveyor, who failed to properly "locate" my house on
his
survey. But as it turns out the "survey" was not for me, it was for my
mortgage company, so that the title company could write insurance for my
mortgage company and protect them (not me!), and I paid for it.
I have got no help from the surveyor, no help from the title company, no
help
from the realtors, no help from the sellers. My attorney has told my that
it
will cost more to litigate than it will to fix it. But there seems to be
no
easy solution. The utility company(s) have stated they WILL NOT vacate ANY
part of "THEIR" easement. I don't know want to do! - All I see are
mounting
legal costs, with no clear direction as to a solution, and with a property
that appears to be un-marketable.
Any direction and/or feedback will be appreciated, and I'm going to post
messages in legal newsgroups as well.
Thanks again
Subject: Software
From: kmiller@usgs.gov (Kirk Miller)
Date: 8 Nov 1996 16:47:32 GMT
Can anyone recommend free or low-cost software for reducing
surveying data for point location determination and plotting?
I understand this information may have been posted in this
newsgroup. I am new to the group and unfortunately, I cannot
figure out how to read previous articles.
I guess I should mention either DOS, MS-Windows (95 OK), or
UNIX (compiled for Data General even better). By low-cost
I mean something under $50 (coming out of my pocket).
Thanks in advance-
Kirk
--
Kirk A. Miller, USGS/WRD U|S EMAIL: kmiller@usgs.gov
2617 E Lincolnway, Ste B --- PHONE: 307/778-2931 x2716
Cheyenne, WY 82001-5662 G|S FAX: 307/778-2764
"Opinions are mine and not necessarily those of the USGS."
Subject: Re: Gyro-theodolite
From: saramc@cc.utexas.edu (Kent McMillan)
Date: 8 Nov 1996 16:59:48 GMT
In article <55usmt$9im@netnews.nctu.edu.tw>, tyshih@cc.nctu.edu.tw () says:
>I understand that there are MOM Gi-B11, and Gyromat in the market, but
>I can't find their mailing addresses. I would greatly appreciate it if anyone
>could provide me related information.
The Leica Surveying Group is the organization that includes the former
Wild and Kern product lines. You can make
direct contact via:
http://www.leica.com/lsg/e/index.htm
On the subject of the MOM Gyro, all I have is an old address. I do not
know how good it is:
Magyar Optik
(Hungarian Optical Works), H-1525, Budapest, HUNGARY
Good luck!
Subject: Formation continue du 1er novembre 1996
From: oagq@mediom.qc.ca (Ordre des Arpenteurs Géomètres du Québec)
Date: 8 Nov 1996 18:07:31 GMT
Bonjour aux arpenteurs(es)-géometres du Québec,
Si vous avez participé a la formation continue de l'OAGQ sur
le nouveau cadastre québécois le 1er novembre dernier, et que
vous avez des questions sur le sujet qui y était traité, écrivez-moi
les et je les ferai suivre au formateur concerné.
Les questions et réponses obtenues seront publiées dans ce forum.
Salutations, Luc St-Pierre, a.-g.
Directeur des services professionnels
Subject: Re: House encraochment
From: jbroadus@seanet.com
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 96 16:17:25 PDT
>
> I have got no help from the surveyor, no help from the title company, no
> help
> from the realtors, no help from the sellers. My attorney has told my that
> it
> will cost more to litigate than it will to fix it. But there seems to be
> no
> easy solution. The utility company(s) have stated they WILL NOT vacate ANY
> part of "THEIR" easement. I don't know want to do! - All I see are
> mounting
> legal costs, with no clear direction as to a solution, and with a property
> that appears to be un-marketable.
>
> Any direction and/or feedback will be appreciated, and I'm going to post
> messages in legal newsgroups as well.
>
> Thanks again
Sometimes when you have a problem like this the only solution is through the
legal process; unfortunately it is expensive. There are clear directions, and
your attorney should discuss them with you. Whether it is worth the money to
solve it must be your decision, based on the effect on the value of your now
un-marketable property. I would not expect either the surveyor or the title
company to volunteer to help you out (unfortunately).
You might discuss the surveyor's actions with the board of registration for
surveyors in your state. I hesitate here, because although the board might
investigate it probably won't provide any direct help to solve your problem.
>
Subject: Re: House encraochment
From: jhframe@dcn.davis.ca.us (Jim Frame)
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 96 01:13:51 GMT
In article <19961108154900.KAA25183@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
p324ftrqs1@aol.com wrote:
>Any direction and/or feedback will be appreciated, and I'm going to
post
>messages in legal newsgroups as well.
I don't know about the laws of your state (Colorado?), but if it were me
I'd at least take the original surveyor to small claims court. I think
the limit here in California is $2,500.00, which wouldn't be enough to
resolve the encroachment but might be worth the satisfaction of seeing
that negligence doesn't go unpunished.
I'm glad that the "mortgage inspection" concept doesn't exist where I
practice. We have enough trouble around here with unrecorded surveys
that are, nonetheless, reasonably competent; having to deal with surveys
that are both unrecorded and incompetent sounds like a real nightmare.
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Frame Surveying & Mapping 609 A Street Davis, CA 95616
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Subject: Re: plat lines (was property line dispute)
From: jbroadus@seanet.com
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 96 16:09:46 PDT
In article, writes:
>
> It sounds to me that what you are really talking about is a series of
> indiviual lot splits, and not a true subdivision. In a subdivision all
> the lots are created at one time when the plat is recorded, and so all
> the lots have a proportional right to the land. If a person owns a large
> piece of land, and sells off a lot and then a year later another and so
> on until he has sold off all of the lots then he has created a situation
> where senior rights rule over later created junior right. It is
> important to see how the lots are described in the deeds that transfer
> title as well as how they were platted. It would be an interesting
> situation if the plat that created the lots was not referred to in the
> deed that transfered title to the land. What do you think about that
> situation.
When I asked the question about different parts of the country analyzing
subdivisions as per junior-senior rights or not, I was in fact thinking about a
specific comment that came up in a seminar I was teaching. I was in
Pennsylvania, and an attendee told me that in that area it was standard to sell
lots in subdivisions by metes and bounds, and to survey them according to
junior senior rights determined by the date of sale of the lots. This
surprised me; I had never heard of the practice before, so I was really
curious. More recently, I read a case out of Maine that discussed metes and
bounds surveys within platted subdivisions. So.. I just wondered how
widespread the method is. For my two cents worth it seems a real bother, but I
must assume if the method exists at all it must have come about for a good
reason. So far, all respondents have said they use what I consider the
standard method (proration as if all lots had equal seniority) in plats.
Jerry Broadus
Subject: Re: GeoPack vs. Intergraph
From: someone@gate.net (Sum)
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 06:33:03 GMT
I believe Geopak is a "richer" package if compared feature by feature.
Geoopak also runs on MicroStation CAD software and is very much
integrated with MicroStation. Intergraph, on the other hand has never
committed any substantial resources in their civil software products
and is constantly changing directions, the new CAD product on which
the new Siteworks and Fieldworks are based is not going to be donw for
several years. Look into how many different versions of Intergraph
civil packages came and gone in the past few years before you decide.
Hope this helps.
leegreen@aol.com (Lee Green) wrote:
>In article <556hdj$r8s@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, migister@aol.com (Migister)
>writes:
>>Can anyone tell me which is the better packages: Site & Survey or
>>SiteWorks & FieldWorks?
>I've never used GEOPAK Site & Survey, but InXpress and FieldWorks is an
>excellent combination for todays Surveying/Engineer needs.
>______________________________________________________________
>Lionel E. (Lee) Green
>Survey/CAD Tech, Systems Admin
>Fisher Associates P.E., L.S., P.C.
>Clyde, New York 14433
>
>Email: lgreen@redcreek.com
>FTP://redcreek.com/lgreen
>HTTP://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/fisher_assoc
>________________________________________________________
>Lionel E. (Lee) Green
>Survey/CAD Tech, Systems Admin
>Fisher Associates P.E., L.S., P.C.
>Clyde, New York 14433
>Email: leegreen@aol.com
>HTTP://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/fisher_assoc
Subject: Re: House encraochment
From: dunthat200@aol.com
Date: 9 Nov 1996 05:31:50 GMT
1) Don't feel too bad. You're not the first person to be victimized
by this "system". Indeed, it is the way it works all over America.
2) Your real complaint is with a system that has a savvy lender
saying "I have my coverage, damn the consumer" and the rest of the real
estate, mortgage, and title industry that participates in the scheme.
3) TELL THE WORLD ABOUT THIS!! Surely some consumer affairs reporter
in your area will help. Chances are that the reporter has also been
fooled into thinking that a title policy offers an owner protection from
these matters. Get him/her to check their own policy.
4) Homebuyers should always demand the same title coverage that
their lender gets, which includes "matters of survey". Title companies
will not issue this type coverage (to an owner) without a good, recent
survey.
Good
Luck.
Subject: RE: GEORGIA SOIL BOOK NEEDED
From: UnKnown@msn.com (User ID 3171744)
Date: 8 Nov 96 21:21:48 -0800
November 8, 1996
From: DT in Kennesaw
WANDTIGNOR@MSN.COM
To: Geologists in Georgia
I have a friend who drills underground and provides conduit for power
and cable companies in Atlanta, Georgia area. Last night, after
discussing my map of Georgia showing the different rock outcroppings
on it,he asked if I knew any reference he could use on KINDS OF SOILS
IN GEORGIA & THEIR PROPERTIES including what to expect in this area.
For example, yesterday, he drilled through both shale and granite. I
do not have the technical expertise to help him. A former earth
science teacher from Texas, I only know that our orange Georgia clay
doesn't wash out of white socks!
If there is anyone out there who could help, please write back.