Subject: Re: Softdesk > Autodesk ?
From: rod.blum@eaglepoint.com
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 08:11:16 -0600
In article <32B6FFF4.7BE1@eazy.net>,
Tim Kirwan wrote:
>
> i think "Tony Tanzillo" has finally lost his mind, the merger between
> autodesk and softdesk is the best thing that could possibly happen to
> our industry. finally software wannabe's like eaglepoint will have to
> stop making an inferior product and go back where they came from.
Excepts from Eagle Point CEO Rod Blum's recent interview with CADALYST
Magazine)
Eagle Point Software is good for the AutoCAD AEC market. We offer
end-users a choice of how and where they want to purchase third party
application products and support, and how much they pay for them. Eagle
Point has lowered prices for everyone in this market because we had the
courage to utilize a different distribution model and support
model.
Thousands of end-users in the AutoCAD AEC market have expressed concern
about Autodesk now controlling the entire third-party application market
- in effect taking away their choice and potentially raising prices in
the future. I believe end-users should seriously ask themselves if they
want to be unwitting accomplices to this?
If end-users abandon Eagle Point and other third-party developers, they
will in fact, severely limit their own future choices of AutoCAD third
party software, support and distribution models they can purchase from.
They will be, in essence, strapping themselves to the Autodesk masthead;
a move I would seriously
question.
Customers must ask themselves if they want to purchase industry specific
applications from a horizontal CAD company that increasingly is embracing
a "closed, Apple-type of mentality" or purchase from a vertical niche,
customer-focused company such as Eagle Point, who will continue to give
the customer a choice.
Our new development strategy, which was well underway before this
announcement, will allow us to easily support multiple CAD engines, such
as MicroStation, Reflex from Parametric Technology, Corel CAD, Visio,
and our own CAD engine, to name a few. Once again, choices for our
clients.
Our belief has always been that the end-user should have choices. Eagle
Point will continue to develop on AutoCAD, MicroStation and numerous
other CAD engines. We believe that customers want solutions to their
problem, not CAD engines. We will continue to focus on end-users and
take care of them to the best of our abilities.
Eagle Point is not going to abandon this market; we think it is in the
market's best interest to not abandon us and other third-party
developers. Time will tell if a horizontal CAD company such as Autodesk,
can focus on end-user problems and be all things to all
people.
Rod Blum
Chief Executive Officer
Eagle Point Software Corporation
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Subject: Re: Kickback Fees!
From: copls@aol.com (CoPLS)
Date: 19 Dec 1996 15:51:46 GMT
Hi all,
Very similar here in colorado.
The Mortgage Co. , Title Co., Realtor, etc. will contract for the survey
and pay the fee accordingly. BUT bill the property owner separatley and
charging a fee much greater than the my fee. (They call this "document
Prep.")
I have also been asked the raise my fee on my billing statment, than the
Mortgage Co. will collect the higher amount, then pay me what my original
fee would have been.
It would seem to me that this practice is in violation of RESPA (Real
Estate Settlement Procedures Act) and the TILA (Truth In Lending Act) as
well as the National Mortgage Reform Act that specifically states that
there shall not be any "kickbacks" directly or indirectly and that all
transactions are to avoid any possible sign of impropriety.
Ronald Flanagan PLS
Colorado Engineering & Surveying Inc. - Englewood, Colorado
Professional land surveying services since 1972
Subject: Re: Kickback Fees!
From: "J. Anthony Cavell, PLS"
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 13:18:04 -0600
Quoting the Louisiana State Board of Registration for Professional
Engineers and Professional Land Surveyors - Rules of Professional
Conduct, Louisiana Administrative Code, Title 46, Professional and
Occupational Standards, Part LXI. Professional Enginers and Land
Surveyors, Chapter 22, S2109. Improper Solicitation,
c. Registrants shall not pay or offer to pay, directly or indirectly,
any commission, or gift, or other valuable consideration* in order to
secure work, except under the following circumstances:
1. Securing salaried positions through employment agencies.
2. As a bona fide employee, or a bona fide established commercial
marketing agency retained by them.
_________________
* The phrases "benifits of a substantial nature" and "significant
gratuity" are defined to mean acts, articles, money or other material
possessions which are of such value or proportion that their acceptance
could reasonably be expected to create an obligation on the part of the
receivers, or otherwise compromise their abiity to exerecise their own
judgement, without regard to such benefit or gratuity.
Tony
P.S. I'm sure certain attorneys and financial institution won't agree,
but I believe providing surveying survices for a fee is practicing or
offering to practice land surveying.
--
J. Anthony Cavell, PLS _____ _____
http://www.net-connect.net/~gpsman/ /_____ / / @ \ /____ /
Navigation Electronics, Inc. /_____ /===(@ % @)===/____ /
200 Toledo Drive /______/ \ @ / /_____/
Lafayette, LA 70506
Subject: Re: Softdesk > Autodesk ?
From: Tim Kirwan
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 22:04:19 -0700
see message from rod blum, cheif executive chump
eaglepoint software
if the above is true ,, then why has eaglepoint purchased another
companys software engine that will allow them to produce a stand alone
product (like Microstation) and abandon the autodesk environment
altogether. also if eaglepoint is so hot a product why must they lower
themselves to dirty marketing tricks like claiming to be the product of
choice of Departments of Transportation, colorado comes to mind boys,
when they know that the departments don't even use their software. also
everyone that i know that has tried eaglepoints product now use it for
what it is ment to be used for, a dood stop.
thank you very much
Subject: Re: Softdesk > Autodesk ?
From: Tim Kirwan
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 22:05:17 -0700
Darren Young wrote:
>
> In article <850932643.576@dejanews.com>, rod.blum@eaglepoint.com says...
> > Our belief has always been that the end-user should have choices. Eagle
> > Point will continue to develop on AutoCAD, MicroStation and numerous
> > other CAD engines. We believe that customers want solutions to their
> > problem, not CAD engines. We will continue to focus on end-users and
> > take care of them to the best of our abilities.
>
> Rod,
>
> Well put!
>
> Sincerely,
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more lies from the experts at eagle, gag. point
Subject: Fire protection of curtain walls?
From: Simo.Hostikka@hut.fi (Simo Hostikka)
Date: 20 Dec 1996 15:24:45 +0200
I would be interested on fire protection measures of curtain walls on
facades. In a multistory building of glass walls a second curtain
glass wall is assembled about 1 m from the multiple glazed window
panel. The curtain wall is used for energy conservation: cooling
during summer, heating during winter. Despite multiple glazing there
is a possibility for a fire to get into the cavity between the glazing
and curtain, and then soon up to next floors.
I know this is an old problem, and several solutions should
exist. NFPA Handbook has a short article on them stating some general
requirements. Looking to NIST Firedoc my colleague found a couple of
references. Unfortunatelly they were published on conferences or very
local papers we did not have immediate access.
If possible, could you, please, inform me of (a) common practise on
the field, and (b) any studies made on the problem recently, (c) any
real fire cases, where this phenomenon has caused damage.
You may reply in this newsgroup (several groups, actually) or via
email.
Simo Hostikka
Technical Research Centre of Finland
Builiding Technology
Fire Technology
Simo.Hostikka@vtt.fi
Simo.Hostikka@hut.fi
fax: +358 9 456 4815
