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Subject: Re: Chicken Little nature-haters: wrong again, -- ho hum.... -- From: tooie@sover.net (Ron Jeremy)
Subject: Re: 2000 - so what? -- From: Richard Mentock
Subject: Re: Chicken Little nature-haters: wrong again, -- ho hum.... -- From: tooie@sover.net (Ron Jeremy)
Subject: Pasteboard recycling -- From: John Monguillot
Subject: Re: ALCHEMY IN THE 20th CENTURY -- From: B.Hamilton@irl.cri.nz (Bruce Hamilton)
Subject: Re: The Economics of Killing -- From: Steinn Sigurdsson
Subject: Re: A case against nuclear energy? -- From: jac@ibms46.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Subject: Re: A case against nuclear energy? -- From: jac@ibms46.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Subject: Re: Corporate "call boys": MORE OF THE SAME -- From: bashford@psnw.com (Doug Bashford)
Subject: Re: Ozone hole=storm in a teacup -- From: bashford@psnw.com (Doug Bashford)
Subject: Re: Chicken Little nature-haters: wrong again, -- ho hum.... -- From: bashford@psnw.com (Doug Bashford)
Subject: . -- From: pscot@internetmci.com (ARTICLE. starting a business)
Subject: hepatic steatosis in force fed waterfowl: a request to veterinarian anatomopathologist and ethologist -- From: "Yvan Beck"

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Subject: Re: Chicken Little nature-haters: wrong again, -- ho hum....
From: tooie@sover.net (Ron Jeremy)
Date: 5 Jan 1997 05:23:34 GMT
gdy52150@prairie.lakes.com (gdy52150@prairie.lakes.com) wrote:
: eggsoft@sydney.dialix.oz.au (Greig Ebeling) wrote:
: 
: >Absolute nonsense.  Nuclear waste management has many adequate
: >solutions, the substances are nowhere near "the most toxic known to
: >to man
:
: two lies in the same sentence. Well where the hell are those waste
: solutions. In case you haven't got a brain in your head the waste is
: stilll piling up and upand up. And yes that waste isw some of the most
: toxic material known,considering the half life of some of that stuff
: you best make it the most toxic. Because it will still be deadly long
: after any toci chemical has long since been destoyed.
Obviously gdy52150 has still not done his homework since I last 
publically spanked him.  Do you really have any idea what you are talking 
about?  It's amazing that people get chastised for parroting Rush on the 
ozone but god forbid anyone call you people on some of the shit you've 
chanting for years. Yes plutonium can kill you, that's why spent fuel is 
currently monitored awaiting long term storage.  How many people have 
been injured due to commercial waste storage?  I guess we could dump the 
waste into the environment like other industries.  Hmm, what's the half
life other some common toxic substances?  Ooops, they dont' have one.  
What a moron.  Here's wager for you, we'll both ingest the same amount of 
two substances.  I'll do plutonium and you can do botulinus toxin A, how 
about it.  I think a few milligrams should be sufficient.
: >man", and unlike many other poisons, radioactive substances eventually
: >decay away.
: 
: oh ya it decays alright after a few hundred thousand years.
Really pathetic, if you want to comment on a subject, a liitle basic 
research would do wonders for you.  But why exert yourself when you can 
just equate nuclear with "evil" and be done with it.  There's a fine line 
between hypocrisy and stupidity.
tooie
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Subject: Re: 2000 - so what?
From: Richard Mentock
Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 00:42:46 -0500
Brian wrote:
> It wouldn't be 1/1/1a.d. A metioned first. A.d stands for after death.
> 7 days after Jesus was born he didn't die.
"Anno Domoni", not "after death"
-- 
D.
mentock@mindspring.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~mentock/index.htm
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Subject: Re: Chicken Little nature-haters: wrong again, -- ho hum....
From: tooie@sover.net (Ron Jeremy)
Date: 5 Jan 1997 05:34:24 GMT
gdy52150@prairie.lakes.com (gdy52150@prairie.lakes.com) wrote:
: Michael Hohensee  wrote:
: 
: >Anything that is still radioactive contains energy.  The "waste"
: >produced by nuclear power plants can be used in a breeder reactor
: >to produce more fuel.  Nuclear energy is cleaner than any other
: >large-scale source of energy.
: 
: take a trip to Hanford, you soon change your mind.
Please explain how the Hanford reservation (except for WNP-2) belongs in 
a discussion of commercial nuclear power.  Oh wait I get it, they had 
something to with "nuk-u-lur" so your feeble mind couldn't separate the 
two.  Why don't you refute his point.  There are many ways that are 
currently technically feasible to lessen the "problem" of high level 
waste.  But once again you are incapable of understanding or too lazy to 
research them for yourself.  Please feel free to call me a liar or hammer 
my setence structure since I'm certain you won't have anything of 
substance to say.  Let's see your prosposal to replace the 22% of the 
current US electrical needs currently supplied by nuclear power.  Why 
don't outline the environmental damage done by US commercial nuclear 
power.  Why, ahh forget it...
tooie
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Subject: Pasteboard recycling
From: John Monguillot
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 16:42:12 -0500
Hi,
	I am looking for any links, adresses, phonne numbers, etc. to help me
locate information about recycling pasteboard.  Like cereal boxes, not
corrugated cardboard.  Alta Vista search of the Web and Usenet produced
nothing.  Any help appreciated.
John E. Monguillot, Ph.D./jemphd@appstate.campus.mci.net
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Subject: Re: ALCHEMY IN THE 20th CENTURY
From: B.Hamilton@irl.cri.nz (Bruce Hamilton)
Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 05:30:22 GMT
Followups set to sci.environment, as that's the only group in the
Newgroup line that I read.
Jay Hanson  wrote:
>                      ALCHEMY IN THE 20th CENTURY
>Alchemy was an ancient art practiced in the Middle Ages devoted
> chiefly to discovering a substance that would transmute the more 
> common metals into gold or silver and to finding a means of indefinitely 
> prolonging human life. 
> Alchemy was dubious and often illusory -- alchemy was in many ways the 
>predecessor of modern economics.
What a load of drivel. Anybody with even the most minimal knowledge
of the history of science would know that the alchemists were a diverse
lot, demonstrating far more intelligence than some Usenet posters.
The alchemists discovered  arsenic, antimony, bismuth, and phosphorus,
( none of these were trivial achievements - they all resulted from diligent
research ), and their structured examination of experimental processes 
laid the foundation for modern chemistry, not for economics..
           Bruce Hamilton
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Subject: Re: The Economics of Killing
From: Steinn Sigurdsson
Date: 05 Jan 1997 06:57:50 +0000
Jay Hanson  writes:
> 
> John McCarthy wrote:
> 
> > None of these people, however, endorsed Hanson's view that we are
> > doomed in 34 years.
> 
> They ALL said that we are not sustainble --
>  that's the scientific concensus.  As I said,
>   your page in not science -- it's politics.
> 
No. they did not. 
The statements said that _if_ some projected
trends continue as projected, and _if_ some
inferences about those consequences are correct
then this implies the trends are unsustainable.
The qualifications in the text of the statements
are there for a reason, without them the statements
would be explicitly false.
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Subject: Re: A case against nuclear energy?
From: jac@ibms46.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Date: 1 Jan 1997 19:43:25 GMT
Jim Carr wrote:
|  
|  
|   And, on the original point, I don't see how the civilian power industry
|   should be assigned responsibility for a facility serving purely military
|   purposes and operated in a "damn the torpedos" mode for that reason.
TL ADAMS  writes:
>
>So where was the nice clean break between the two.  Enrichment was
>performed by DOD or DOE precursor, 
 The DOD was never involved in any way with the production of nuclear 
 materials or weapons.  (That is why it was such a good deal for them 
 to build up an Air Force where only part of the costs came from their 
 budget.)  It was all done by the AEC and its successors (ERDA and DOE). 
 The clean break is the difference between enrichment to 9x % for 
 weapons-grade U-235 and naval reactors and enrichment to y % for 
 civilian light water reactors.  The scale of the enrichment program 
 in the AEC, particularly in the 50s and early 60s when there were 
 few civilian plants operating, was dictated entirely by the demand 
 for weapons.  As I asked in an earlier note, perhaps you or someone 
 who knows the current civilian demand could do the arithmetic on 
 how long it will take to use up the tens of metric tons of weapons-
 grade U-235 in the stockpile (i.e. not in weapons) if mixed down 
 to the low enrichment those reactors use.  
>waste disposal was supposed to be performed by
>a DOD or DOE percursor.
 It is not entirely clear to me that the AEC ever had a mandate to 
 do any waste disposal in the sense we use those words today.  In 
 the rush to stay in front on the production side, I doubt if our 
 Congress appropriated much money for that until the 70s.  Anyone 
 have the details on those budgets?  Certainly they did not do any 
 disposal of anything other than low-level wastes at the AEC facilities.
>So what you are saying, except for the beginning and the end, they are
>two completely different things.
 Yes, because we could have separated the two programs, just as 
 countries without a weapons program operated nuclear power programs. 
 The linkage was a political one, including the linkage between our 
 production of low enrichment fuels for use overseas.  Remember the 
 "Atoms for Peace" program?  Those were political decisions made by 
 the president and congress, not technical or engineering decisions, 
 to make weapons of mass destruction more palatable to the public. 
>I wonder if the fact that one has to get a national security clearance
>to work at an enrichment plant sort of ....
 If it produces weapons-grade material, sure.  You don't need a 
 Q clearance to work at a power plant. 
>How are the lawsuits going on the levels of radionuclies in Central
>Florida's water.
>I've not heard anything in years.  I'd probally forgotten about
>problems.
 Those are half a state away from me, and downstream in the aquifer, 
 so not an issue up here.  Some were probably before I moved here. 
 The excitement in the last decade was mainly over pesticides, but 
 the sinkhole that ate a tailings pile down there raised the U-waste 
 problem to the front burner again recently. 
-- 
 James A. Carr        |  "The half of knowledge is knowing
    http://www.scri.fsu.edu/~jac/       |  where to find knowledge" - Anon. 
 Supercomputer Computations Res. Inst.  |  Motto over the entrance to Dodd 
 Florida State, Tallahassee FL 32306    |  Hall, former library at FSCW. 
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Subject: Re: A case against nuclear energy?
From: jac@ibms46.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Date: 1 Jan 1997 19:52:05 GMT
Jim Carr  wrote:
| 
|  Hardly.  Most people get most of their information from the media 
|  and that is dominated by entertainment.  Read what Uncle Walter 
|  (Cronkite) has to say and look at who Crichton targets in "Airframe". 
|  Between Hollywood and CNN, the US has a powerful influence.  Things 
|  like "China Syndrome" have more effect than dozens of books or 
|  technical analyses. 
hatunen@netcom.com (DaveHatunen) writes:
>
>That is one of the strangest and most paranoid bits of reasoning I've
>seen in a long time.
 I do suggest that you read what Cronkite writes about the current 
 approach to "news" in the United States. 
 If you think that most people don't get their understanding of the
 issues of nuclear power from movies like "China Syndrome" or the 
 non-news TV 'magazine' programs, rather than NRC reports on their 
 local reactor, or books or review articls in Rev. Mod. Phys, you 
 need to get out more.  The misconceptions about Chernobyl -vs- 
 PWR are legion, just as one example. 
-- 
 James A. Carr        |  "The half of knowledge is knowing
    http://www.scri.fsu.edu/~jac/       |  where to find knowledge" - Anon. 
 Supercomputer Computations Res. Inst.  |  Motto over the entrance to Dodd 
 Florida State, Tallahassee FL 32306    |  Hall, former library at FSCW. 
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Subject: Re: Corporate "call boys": MORE OF THE SAME
From: bashford@psnw.com (Doug Bashford)
Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 02:56:13 GMT
  Yep,  Jay Hanson  wrote on Mon, 25 Nov 1996
08:37:10 -1000 about:
   Re: Corporate "call boys":  MORE OF THE SAME 
>David Lloyd-Jones wrote:
> 
>>  It is of course the fact that there will be a lot more dead babies in
I reposted this and 
masonc@ix.netcom.com (Mason A. Clark) replied:
 in:
alt.fan.ronald-reagan,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.usa.republican,
alt.flame.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.economics,talk.politics.misc  as:
Corporate "call boys"...THE COMING   
or some such.
--Doug
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Subject: Re: Ozone hole=storm in a teacup
From: bashford@psnw.com (Doug Bashford)
Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 02:56:15 GMT
  Yep,  eggsoft@sydney.dialix.oz.au (Greig Ebeling) wrote on Thu, 02
>hank@netcom.com (Hank Roberts) wrote:
>>'significant difference' means, in statistics, NONE of the rest of the
>IMO the article spent a lot of time emphasising the data which
>suggested 1996 was the worst year, and apologising for the data which
>suggested otherwise.  The article was not presented in an objective
>manner.
>Now, I'm not trying to prove anything about the 1996 "hole" (how can I
>with this report).  I was only suggesting that the report concludes,
>without showing the data, with a clear bias.
Agree.  The bias was that in several ways the hole was worse
than ever, and in one way, not worse than ever.  If there was a
science conspiracy to terrorize the global population, indeed,
quite a bit could've been hidden in the lack of information.
For example, they "picked" info about 15, 20, and 25 units, but who
knows really happened at unit 22?  One also notices that the topics on
which they chose to report were chosen in a context not fully
described.  Was the brevity of the report part of a conspiracy?
Yes there was a "clear bias" that the hole was getting worse in some
ways, and my impression was, worse overall.  I believe this bias
points to the truth, obviously Mr. Ebeling thinks it points away.
On what does he base his theory of perverted science?  He has claimed
he does not believe in a science conspiracy.  Well what then? And why?
"Perverted science"?  Is that hyperbole?  Comments? 
>  Even so, its conclusions
>do not IMO justify the Montreal Protocol.  >...Greig
A critical question I don't believe anybody has bothered to ask:
What would it take to justify the Montreal Protocol in your mind?
This might make our task of communication easier.  Frankly, it
seems this "magic thing" you require has wandered all over the
place as each of your assumptions was disproved.  I feel like
I'm trying to catch the wind with chickenwire.
Speaking of perverted science, it is standard scientific method 
for a scientist in one field to take the word of a scientist in
another field unless there is evidence to the contrary.
At this point, it seems only logical for Mr. Ebeling to expose
his motivation (evidence?), as I have requested.  Or else I fear most
people will reach the same conclusions I have.  Or at best just be 
confused by his claims and accusations.  There seems to be no 
logic, no foundation that gives them meaning, and I think this may
be why Mr. Ebeling's claims are so often misunderstood and so often
need to be repeated.
--Doug Bashford
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Subject: Re: Chicken Little nature-haters: wrong again, -- ho hum....
From: bashford@psnw.com (Doug Bashford)
Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 02:56:19 GMT
  Yep,  stephani@smart.net (Stephanie Smilay) wrote on Fri, 03 Jan
   Re: Chicken Little nature-haters: wrong again, -- ho hum.... 
>On Thu, 2 Jan 1997 19:54:48 GMT, Mark McGilvray 
>wrote:
>>I have never understood why the Econazis are hysterical about the
>>alleged destruction of the ozone on one hand, and on the other, rabid
>>about having too much generated naturally.
>Two different things.  The ozone to worry about is the ozone in the
>air we breathe.  The ozone layer is up a few thousand feet, a buffer
>between Earth and harmful radiation; any substantial hole in this
>buffer is a problem.  (Now I'm hoping that somebody with more
>background on the topic than I have will step up and fill in the
>details.)  >Stephanie
Close enough.  But I have a bit of a physics problem.  While I
understand how ignorant nature-haters such as Mark McGilvray
can talk out of their ass, I've never been able to figure out
they can inhale with their head so far up their ass.  Mark
McGilvray has well demonstrated what such flatulence looks like
in type, but does inhaling cause a reverse-farting noise?   If
so, what does this alleged noise sound like, and what does it look
like in type? 
Anybody interested in questions about da ozone hole might drop
by my ozone Web page for an introduction or a more in-depth look.
 I'm utterly certain Mark McGilvray and his ilk will not drop by.
They will be too busy fouling the air with their contumacious noises
of accusation, self-gratification and congratulations (ie: sound of
asshole inhaling: MEGGADITTOS, RUSH!!).
--    Douglas bashford@psnw.com -- Middle-of-the-road extremist.
Science, Ecology, Economics, Environment, and Politics (title)
http://www.psnw.com/~bashford/e-index.html
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Subject: .
From: pscot@internetmci.com (ARTICLE. starting a business)
Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 20:40:43 GMT
How to Grow a Business and get RICH Slowly.
Philip E Scott  1/4/97
Pscot@internetMCI.com
Copyright 1997  Permission granted for copy and distribution
complete article in its entirely with all footers, headers
and credits for non commercial use only.
Summary:
One seldom has a clue what he will run into in starting a
business, all too often borrowed money is misspent or wasted
in some other fashion.    This article will provide an
outline to starting your own services business.
Today salary and wage rates have hit an all time low, often
it takes two wager earners in a family to survive, one
wonders how many families with children manage at all.
As a self employed person you can charge about 3 times what
you would be paid by an employer.   One must really take a
close look at this issue.  With 3 times the rate, one can
work about ½ as much after the cost of doing business is
subtracted.  
This means that a person can work a 20 hour week and
generally equal his current salary.  As business grows and
he works a maximum 30 hour week, he exceeds his salary as
an employee.   And as he hires staff he greatly exceeds his
old rate of compensation.
Further more, of one is smart, he or she has multiple
customers, the more the better.  That way if there is a
downturn in the economy and you loose a few customers you
will still have a good income and with a little promotion
you can gain new customers to fill the space left by the old
ones.
What to do first.
Keep your current job, or get one to keep you solvent while
you start your business.  That’s what jobs are for after
all.  God did not make You to be a wage slave, unless you
like doing that.  In that case, its a wonderful occupation,
helping someone else get rich.  Make sure your boss
appreciates the favor.
· Survey all of your skills…. Get a notebook and list them
all on page.  
· Next, put a rating next to each one. 1-10 , score the
stuff you like to do, a 10. 
· Now you have a list of what you like to do.   Circle those
that are common occupations, that others are very profitably
employed in doing…. Such things as electrician, gardening
and landscape,  paralegal, engineering, sales rep firm,
various repair services … etc.
· Select the one that offers the most income and enjoyment,
and promise for growth.
· Decide on a name for the company.  Keep it very simple.
Chose a 3 word name.  Such as  Professional Garden
Development, for example.
· Go to the closest quick printing place immediately and
order some business cards that list just The company name,
and a slogan underneath the name, such as ‘Let us turn your
backyard into a garden’.   Then list your name and address
and phone number.  Have the phone number in extra large
type, some people have poor eyesight. Order two thousand
cards for starters.  Do it with the idea that you will
revise the card later, but now you need to get 2,000 cards
out right away.
· While the cards are being printed get signed up with the
phone company’s answering service or buy a tapeless
answering machine, and have it announce your company name
and take messages.
· Go to the stationary store and buy some stock quote and
estimate forms, and some billing forms, and some phone
message forms.   And a rubber stamp that has the name of
your company and phone number on it in large block letters
about 1/8" tall.
· In most states you do not need a franchise tax permit to
do work on residential real estate.  If that’s the case you
just pay sales tax on the material as you buy it, and quote
the customer a flat rate for the entire job and there are no
reporting requirements for sales tax,  just for income tax
etc.
· Buy Quick Books accounting package and learn how to use
it.  Enter each customer as they call, and use it to log
your materials costs, phone bill, utilities, truck expenses
etc.   Every quarter have it figure  your net income and pay
any taxes required.  ( you should arrange as many purchases
in your life as possible to be useful in the business so
that you can write at least part of them off.)
· Go pick up your business cards, they are ready now.
Start handing them out liberally to anyone who will take
one.
· After a while it will become clear who buys your services
and who doesn’t.    Make a list of those that buy, or areas
of town that buy and spend 2 days a week, 6 hours a day for
at least 6 weeks handing out your business cards and giving
quotes.
· In this 6 weeks you will have learned a lot, you will have
found new services to add to your gig, and what the
competition charges etc. and what kind of work you wish to
avoid.
· With all this in mind go to your computer and use your
graphics program or word processor to do a very professional
looking flier.   Print it out on a laser printer.
· Take the laser copy to the quick print shop and have it
printed up about 2,000 sheets on both sides, on the
brightest colored stock he has, choose about 4 different
colors.    Now you have a brochure/flier.
· Spend the next few weeks going back to the same people you
originally saw and give them all a flier.
· By now you should be making about ½ what your salary is
and working pretty hard on weekends and evenings.
· When  you get up to ½ your salary, ask for 2 weeks off,
and spend that 2 weeks working 10 hour days, ½ promoting and
½ doing the work.   
· If business picks up to 2/3 your salary and your bills are
in good shape and the hot season is coming for your
specialty, give your employer 2 weeks notice, thank him for
the job, and leave at an agreed point.
· You are now in business for yourself.  You cannot get
fired. And you will be able to grow the business and maybe
get rich.
Now that’s the advice.   Key things to know are as follows:
· Your plan will almost NEVER work.  One cannot ever predict
what’s workable before he actually tries it.   When  you
just start, then you discover what’s workable right away.
Do not spend much time in planning.
· You will always find a way in the end.   Keep pushing for
more profit per hour of time spent, and more enjoyable and
sustainable tactics…. Do not push something that is a killer
or unpleasant thing to do…. Find a pleasant way to promote
and work…. Then only do any of it in a way that’s enjoyable.
If you get an unenjoyable customer, dump him as gracefully
and quickly as possible.
· An employee will seldom work ½ as hard as you will, if you
find one that does, treat the person very well and pay them
as much as you can, usually 40% of the labor billing rate if
they are on a percentage of the job.   If they are on salary
you pay them about 1/3 of the hourly billing rate and make
sure you are billing at least 6 or 7 hours for every 8 hours
you pay them.
· Start reading business books and magazines.
· Plow your income back into equipment, promo and facilities
and eat beans.  That cuts your income tax to zero in most
cases.  Buy nice things ONLY after you are fully set up and
have a going concern.
This above program was for illustrative purposes only,
industrial start ups are done much the same way in many
respects.   What follows is a list of additional tactics for
industrial start ups.
· Buy ONLY tools and equipment that you intend to carry
every day and use every day on the job.   This is to
demonstrate to clients that you are equipped primarily.
· Rent all other equipment until enough business is
established to afford to purchase or lease and the storage
space required.
· Find the local trade journals or news letters of the
particular industry in your local area.  Keep your job until
you can afford one years advertising in at least 3 major
journals.
· when you have the money, buy the adds, at least one column
inch in the classified or display ads section of the
magazine, ideally 2" ads.   Have the graphics professionally
done. 
· Then get a mailing list of all the client industries and
have enough promo made to mail each one 4 fliers.  Print up
4 fliers each on different colored paper and each featuring
a different service but listing all services in the body of
the flier.  Make sure these are totally professional fliers.
· Get the proper insurance, permits and licensing.
· Then mail one batch of fliers each month until all the
fliers are used up.
· Save at least 3 months living expenses.
· Quit your job when business picks up to 1/3 your current
income.
· Then immediately repeat the flier mailing program to the
original list.
· ***It is better to mail repeatedly to a short list of say
200 potential clients that once to a much larger list of say
1000 potential clients.*****   Its like this,  the first
mailing they throw it away.   The second mailing they think
is a mistake,  the third mailing they start to think you
might be real, the fourth mailing they know you are for real
and might call.    Your print ads add extra credibility.
· CREDIBILITY is the whole game in the commercial/industrial
or professional arena’s… dress the part, drive the proper
vehicle… and behave professionally and  you will be a big
success.
Keep mentally fit:
· Make a big wall chart showing how much money you made each
day.
· Each day make a list of what you learned or accomplished.
· Each week look at the chart and decide what it would take
to make more the current week.
· As soon as you get a new promo idea, make a flier and mail
em out.
Odds and ends:
· Do not spend much on yellow page advertising, the returns
are often disappointing and it puts  your phone at risk if
you can’t pay the add each month.
· Have a menu of services with a few low cost or freebie
offers to get your foot in the door.
· Seek monthly or annually contracted business, not one shot
one time business.
· Seek quality customers and make it very clear that bills
will arrive on the first and you really do have to be paid
by the tenth in order to keep solvent and able to serve
them.
· When you start your business work 20% below the going
rate.
· When business picks up, keep raising the rates. 
· Raise the rates until in the end you are about 10% higher
than the going rate, then begin  hiring staff as required.
Philip Scott  1/5/97
Pscot@internetMCI.com
Mr. Scott is a mechanical engineer and contractor who has
started and operated several small businesses, and has been
consulting industrial clients for the last 10 years,
including start ups in the effective use of capitol, surplus
equipment and other leveraged strategies that help insure
the success of the new company.   Graphics, business plans
and packages and start up or turnaround consulting.
Ph.  (210) 361-1888 job site     (214) 888-8853 msg
· 
· Half the stuff you try will flop.
· If  you try 10 things some will be very successful.
· After you have about 10 successful programs you will get
rich, or at least make a good living.
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Subject: hepatic steatosis in force fed waterfowl: a request to veterinarian anatomopathologist and ethologist
From: "Yvan Beck"
Date: 5 Jan 97 08:54:15 GMT
Dear colleagues,
I am very interested to collect any advice from specialized
anatomo-pathologist or interested veterinarians (involved in avian
medecine) and ethologists concerning :
1- the pathological nature - or lack thereof - of severe fatty liver in
waterfowl managed for the production of foie gras.
2- your opinion about the argument that this lesion can be consider as
normal because of its putatively reversible nature (before necrosis)
3- the presence - or  lackthereof - off pain / stress / suffering, during
the process of steatosis and force feeding. 
You'll find the abstract of the last "conference de presse' in Brussel on
the subject... in french.
If you need any more information, don't hesitate to ask. 
Thank you and best wishes for New Year...
-- 
Yvan Beck
ybeck@arcadis.be
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