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In article <32D0AD1E.40F2@iag.net> "Dana K."  writes:
>From: "Dana K." 
>Subject: map of fault lines
>Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 23:43:26 -0800
[ shortened ]
> I'm thinking of moving to Seattle but would like to know what my 
>chances are of being swallowed up by a giant crack in the earth - 
Nil is the answer. You should be worried about being hit on the head by 
falling masonry instead.
Roger Musson
r.musson@bgs.ac.uk 

In article <5apofh$ofb@orm.southern.co.nz> bsandle@southern.co.nz (Brian Sandle) writes:
>From: bsandle@southern.co.nz (Brian Sandle)
>Subject: Whale strandings->earthquakes? Was: (Re: ...earthquake references)
>Date: 6 Jan 1997 02:36:33 GMT
>A few years ago I telephoned the Japanese embassy to say that I wondered 
>whether whale strandings might happen a few days before a quake.
>I remember this happened a month or so ago with a stranding at the 
>northern end of New Zealand's South Island preceeding a Japanese 'quake 
>by a few days.
>Has anyone a file of strandings that could be correlated against a 'quake 
>file, using partial correlations for regions? Many passes would be 
>required and it would also be interesting to change time windows, type of 
>whale.
>I remembered this topic when writing on sci.physics about power line 
>health effects - electromagnetic stress - there is currently a thread.
>Whales register the dawn pulse in the earth's magnetic field, do they 
>register other magnetic trouble which may indicate an oncoming 'quake?
>Brian Sandle
Having seen quite a few reports of whale strandings over the years (really) 
I've never noticed any suggestion of a correlation with earthquakes. Also, 
many whale strandings occur in places where earthquakes are rare. I think this 
hypothesis is a non-starter.
Roger Musson
r.musson@bgs.ac.uk 

e_rmwm@va.nmh.ac.uk (Roger Musson) wrote:
deletia
>Having seen quite a few reports of whale strandings over the years (really) 
>I've never noticed any suggestion of a correlation with earthquakes. Also, 
>many whale strandings occur in places where earthquakes are rare. I think this 
>hypothesis is a non-starter.
Specially when you consider that stranding occur in regions that are
not active seismically at all.  Like the Gulf of Mexico
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e_rmwm@va.nmh.ac.uk (Roger Musson) wrote:
>In article <32D0AD1E.40F2@iag.net> "Dana K."  writes:
>>From: "Dana K." 
>>Subject: map of fault lines
>>Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 23:43:26 -0800
>[ shortened ]
>> I'm thinking of moving to Seattle but would like to know what my 
>>chances are of being swallowed up by a giant crack in the earth - 
>Nil is the answer. You should be worried about being hit on the head by 
>falling masonry instead.
or drowned by a tsunami, or buried and cooked in a lahar, but definitely
not swallowed up by a crack.
Mark Folsom, P.E.
Consulting Mechanical Engineer

John Harper (harper@kauri.vuw.ac.nz) wrote:
[...]
: >
: Brian, you have chosen some sci.x.y newsgroups. Be advised that it is 
: the job of any scientist (professional or amateur) who thinks he or she 
: has discovered a correlation between some apparently unrelated phenomena 
: (yourself in this case) to hunt out the evidence. And don't forget that 
: you can be taken seriously only if you do an honest job: years of data, 
: recording every large eqk and every stranding so so that we can all see
What about sharing data? The way you are writing is quite confusing to 
me, are you trying to say that it is hard to get funding for research?
: the numbers for (a) both events together
Though within a time window, and not necessarily gwographically.
 (b) eqks without strandings 
No because the whales may not have been in a problem area.
: (c) strandings without eqks. 
Yes.
Brian Sandle

Bill Gross (pls.see.addr@my.sig) wrote:
: e_rmwm@va.nmh.ac.uk (Roger Musson) wrote:
: 
: deletia
: 
: >Having seen quite a few reports of whale strandings over the years (really) 
: >I've never noticed any suggestion of a correlation with earthquakes. Also, 
: >many whale strandings occur in places where earthquakes are rare. I think this 
: >hypothesis is a non-starter.
: 
: Specially when you consider that stranding occur in regions that are
: not active seismically at all.  Like the Gulf of Mexico
Whales can communicate over very long distances by low frequency sound. 
But I don't think that would be it. When you bend a piece of wood it does 
not always break just where you hold it. And before it breaks the stress is 
measurable all the way along it, not just at the holding points or the break.
Brian Sandle

Linc Madison (LincMad@Eureka.vip.best.NOSPAM) wrote:
[...]
: >
: >How do you know the whales don't just greet the sun or something? They 
: >have got eyes, you know.
: 
: Also, bear in mind that "dawn" is a continuous event.  It is "dawn"
: *somewhere* in the ocean at the exact instant you are reading this
: sentence.  Thus, it is clear that you (Brian Sandle) are, at the
: least, muddying your description of whatever sort of effect you are
: referring to, if it exists.
: 
: However, the unanswered question remains, do whale beachings somehow
: *CAUSE* earthquakes?  I think I smell a research project.
The tone of these articles is on the verge of `we know something which we 
want to put you or others off the track of.' `Let's make this thread not 
worth reading by cluttering it.'
But in case it is not that, I say that the ionospheric change as daylight 
comes might have more detectable change, if any, on the magnetometers 
close by.
So you can `smell' research projects.
Heavy weights can cause quakes, e.g. new lakes forming.
Whales do attract crowds of people but knowing that 100,000 people 
attending a concert here does not cause quakes don't think that would be it.
Then do they have psycho kinetic ability?
Actually it could be them sacrificing themselves to appease the gods to 
prevent quakes or to divert the casualties. That is going to confuse the 
statistics.
Brian Sandle

timberwoof (timberwoof@themall.net) wrote:
: In article <5ar34o$3sh@orm.southern.co.nz>, bsandle@southern.co.nz (Brian
: Sandle) wrote:
: 
: > I think I heard it on BBC Science Magazine about 2 years ago. They align 
: > with the magnetic pulse each morning.
: 
: Again, what magnetic pulse? Do you understand enough about electricity and
: magnetism to understand how a pulse like that might behave, where it might
: come from, and how you might measure it? 
I did ask because it was new to me. Do you deny changes in radio 
transmission between night and day! Wouldn't that give some sort of 
electromagnetic hiccup? As the ionosphere changes is there any current 
which would effect the magnetic field?
: 
: How do you know the whales don't just greet the sun or something? They 
: have got eyes, you know.
I think that the program was about magnetic sensing of whales. There is 
some about that on the web. They do know the `magnetoscape'. It is 
possible to glean information from fewer dimensions, then more may be 
confusing if one is temporarily confusing. Think of the hard of hearing 
person who lip reads then is shown a language dubbed film.
Brian Sandle