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In article <32d679be.1334128@scop.pdev.sco.com>, brianm@ricochet.net
(Brian Moffet) wrote:
>Just because they seem to happen with a similar
>frequency, doesn't mean that they are related.
But it also doesn't mean that they aren't related.
Dennis

In article <5apofh$ofb@orm.southern.co.nz>, 
bsandle@southern.co.nz (Brian Sandle) writes:
>(deletia)
>A few years ago I telephoned the Japanese embassy to say that I wondered 
>whether whale strandings might happen a few days before a quake.
>
>I remember this happened a month or so ago with a stranding at the 
>northern end of New Zealand's South Island preceeding a Japanese 'quake 
>by a few days.
>
>Has anyone a file of strandings that could be correlated against a 'quake
>file, using partial correlations for regions? Many passes would be 
>required and it would also be interesting to change time windows, type of
>whale.
>
I have read that in certain parts of New Zealand there is a whale 
"stranding" season which runs from November to February. During
this time, groups of whale beach themselves. There are theories for
why, but none have been proven.
I think that individual whale strandings are believed to occur
becuse the whale is sick.  From news reports, I take this
to be a general consensus. I believe this to be much
more likely than any earthquake related phenomenon.
>I remembered this topic when writing on sci.physics about power line 
>health effects - electromagnetic stress - there is currently a thread.
>Whales register the dawn pulse in the earth's magnetic field, do they 
>register other magnetic trouble which may indicate an oncoming 'quake?
>
>Brian Sandle
>
>
>
>
Jim Loftus

THE TEXAS ASEISMIC INSTITUTE IS BACK!
Yes, we are back after having a shakeup last October.
At the suggestion of one of our correspondents, we 
started to investigate the likelihood of not having 
earthquakes in certain sections of Okalahoma.  The 
young lady we assigned to this task kept predicting 
an extremely large event in the vicinity of Norman, OK.  
Now, I became extremely suspicious of this prediction 
since it was timed to coincide closely with the Texas 
State Fair and the woman in question was an active 
alumna of the University of Texas.  Still, we had to 
make sure, so I and a couple of colleagues headed 
out to Oklahoma over a period of a week or two to 
measure the realtive strength of the various vortices 
of negatively charged krypton gas.  (Since the use 
of negatively charged krypton vortices as a method 
of earthquake prediction is so well known, I will not 
elaborate on the particular methodology we used.) 
 Well, it turns out that 
1.) there were no indications of any possibility of 
seismic activity at the scale which she postulated 
 2.) the earthquake did not occur.  By mutual 
agreement, we decided that her remaining with 
the institute would not lend to its credibility so 
she departed.
Unfortunately, shortly after that we lost a gentlemen 
who was working on the theory that will revolutionize 
thinking about the the tectonic framework of the west 
coast of North America.  Essentailly, he has thrown 
out all the prevailing geologic views and come to the 
theory that... Well, in a nutshell, God doesn't like you 
very much.  He is presently taking an extended leave 
of absence.
As we read some of the postings here in this news 
group, I noticed that sometimes preople who post
a theory will not include the data from which the theory 
has been derived.  When asked to do so, they tell the 
poster to go and do the research themselves. This has 
given me an idea.  Since the company I work for is in 
the data gathering and analysis business and, after all, 
I am a highly trained data analyst, the Texas Aseismic 
Institute could charge  at a comparable hourly rate 
and initial start-up fees as my employer charges for my 
time:
Data acquisition: $25,000 start-up fee + $/datum(Negotiable)
Data analysis: $55/hr. $500 initial deposit  
(Can be lowered to $35/hr. for projects lasting greater than 6 months)
Yes, these are the going fees for data analysis these days, 
so if you want someone qualified to do the research for you 
1.) Pay these prices 
2.) Fund an academic grant and you'll get less qualified 
but less expensive labor along with a bunch of overhead and 
bureaucratic hassles.  
Any takers?
Jim Loftus
Director, Texas Aseismic Institute

In article <32D1E00D.8BB@iname.com>,
 "Raymond T. Kaya"  writes:
>He has been channeling with the spiritual world since 1985. On January
>18, 1994, he first channeled that there would be an earthquake in San
>Francisco of magnitude 10.2. This will happen on Saturday, July 26,
>1997, at 11:48 a.m. California time.
>
This is interesting. A magnutude 10.2? We at the Texas Aseismic 
Institute have been told that a magnitue 10 earthquake would require 
a fault a bit larger than could fit within the confines of the city of 
San Francisco, unless the city is much bigger than my map shows.
By the way, if someone actually believed this prediction and the 
quake does not happen will this gentlemen be willing to take
personal responsibility for any economic disruption? Or perhaps 
he will recommend "All of Reiki Book III"  in which we will learn
all of things that were not included in "All of Reiki Book I" and All
of Reiki Book II"?
Jim Loftus
TEXASAI@aol.com
Author of "How to Survive in This Inane World"

In article <5atpum$7hi@library.airnews.net>,
pls.see.addr@my.sig (Bill Gross) writes:
>
>>Having seen quite a few reports of whale strandings over the years
(really) 
>>I've never noticed any suggestion of a correlation with earthquakes.
Also, 
>>many whale strandings occur in places where earthquakes are rare. I
think
>this 
>>hypothesis is a non-starter.
>
>Specially when you consider that stranding occur in regions that are
>not active seismically at all.  Like the Gulf of Mexico
>
Actually in the interest of scientific accuracy (which we here 
at the Texas Aseismic Institute are great sticklers about), 
let me say this:
While along the United States Gulf Coast there are very 
few earthquakes, there are regions of seismicity in
much nearer to the Gulf of Mexico than the New Zealand 
to Japan correlation hypothesized in the original post (e.g.,
Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean).
Jim Loftus
TEXASAI@aol.com
Now if we could just be sticklers about spelling 
and grammar ...

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> I've heard of birds deserting bridges in a year or two leading up to
> the bridge's collapse. Birds used to nest in the structure of a 
> bridge
> but stopped building new nests one year. This is possibly because 
> the
> bridge develops bad vibes. Suppose that it is structurally 
> unsound...
> then its vibrations in the wind or its vibrations as trafffic goes
> over it are going to develop a different character, perhaps as 
> cracks
> propagate through it.
> 
> 
> So perhaps whales pick up bad vibes in the area where a quake is
> going to happen, and run away. Whales have a sense of hearing which
> may be useful in feeling the bad vibes. This doesn't actually 
> explain
> beachings, though. I would have thought that your average whale is
> reluctant to scrape her chin on the beach.
> 
> Perhaps if whale migration patterns were studied, or whale 
> population
> density in certain regions of the ocean were studied, we might find
> some correlation. Mind you, if an earthquake zone is permanently
> unhealthy for the big blues in the blue deeps, they'd just avoid 
> that
> area permanently. This is also observable. If the California coast
> doesn't seem to have so many whales splashing past this summer, move
> to Washington.
> 
> 
> Trouble with this experiment is that you need to eliminate other
> possible disturbances to whale stocks and movements... like human
> beings, for example. Sigh.
> 
Simon, maybe it's not the "vibes" causing the beachings. Perhaps it's 
the level of magnetism at the time that causes them to beach.  
Certain levels of magnetism may cause mental or directional confusion 
in susceptible whales.                      

Dennis Gentry wrote:
> 
> In article <32d679be.1334128@scop.pdev.sco.com>, brianm@ricochet.net
> (Brian Moffet) wrote:
> 
> >Just because they seem to happen with a similar
> >frequency, doesn't mean that they are related.
> 
> But it also doesn't mean that they aren't related.
> 
> Dennis
Yes it does, unless there is a clear means to establish
a relationship.  The burden of proof rests with whoever
makes the asssertion.  There is no maybe or possibly,
and that has nothing to do with science, it rests
with good old common sense.
There are elements in this reality that are NOT 
related.  Blindly assuming that everything is related
until proved otherwise is a long futile path to nowhere.
Bill

In article <5b2tuf$hra$1@thor.atcon.com>, grgra@atcon.com (George Graham) wrote:
> My obscurely stated point--by including the prediction of Edgar
> Cayce in this SCI group--was that when it comes to predicting
> earthquakes with useful accuracy, clairivoyants and "SCI"entists
> have an equal track record.  Not top notch in either case.
No, they don't. Earthquake scientists have determined that it's 
extremely difficult to predict earthquakes with any kind of accuracy
other than generalized trends. The only official predictions of
earthquakes in the Bay Area are along the lines of "there's a 50%
probability of an earthquake of magnitude 8 or greater in the
next fifty years." It's scientific investigation that tells you that 
claivoyants' predictions are worthless. 
> Those whose fortunes would be economically depressed by such news,
> as in the case of real estate and newspapers (can you imagine a
> newspaper advising its readers to move out of its circulation area
> and then trying to sell ad space?) would not happy about the
> noising about of such info and would work whatever influence they
> have to suppress it.  Thus the alarm bells may not sound in time.
If you're accusing people of suppressing reliable accurate earthquake 
predictions, then please, feel free to substantiate your claims and get
the people involved arrested.
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In article <32D7D7A4.3D30@pacbell.net>, bilsmith@pacbell.net wrote:
>Dennis Gentry wrote:
>> 
>> In article <32d679be.1334128@scop.pdev.sco.com>, brianm@ricochet.net
>> (Brian Moffet) wrote:
>> 
>> >Just because they seem to happen with a similar
>> >frequency, doesn't mean that they are related.
>> 
>> But it also doesn't mean that they aren't related.
>> 
>> Dennis
>
>Yes it does, unless there is a clear means to establish
>a relationship.  The burden of proof rests with whoever
>makes the asssertion.  There is no maybe or possibly,
>and that has nothing to do with science, it rests
>with good old common sense.
Well...I don't agree entirely agree with this statement.
The burden of proving something false rests on the
person(s) not making the claim.  How can the person
making the claim say his/her own theory is false?
But I do agree that the person making the claim has to
obtain the data to support the claim.
BTW, the "clear means" that you used above is ambiguous
giving license to say that anything proposed can be said to
be not viable because of that person's own intrepretation as
to what a "clear means" is.
>There are elements in this reality that are NOT 
>related.  Blindly assuming that everything is related
>until proved otherwise is a long futile path to nowhere.
I agree.
My intent was to dispell any notion that just because something
does seem to occur at the same time or just before earthquakes
doesn't mean that they are not related to earthquakes.  Even
if something is affected by something else, that something else
may have been caused by the building quake.  Or better yet,
that something else may be what is causing the quake.
And don't get me wrong, I'm NOT dispelling plate tectonics.  Just
that all quakes aren't explained by that "theory".
But, as I said above, the data should be collected to support
that claim.  And if the data *is* collected to support the claim,
then its up to somebody else to disprove it.
Dennis

On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Mary Corman wrote:
> Bob,
> 
> When using LYNX to access the WWW, I can reach your new page with
> the url from your email below but can't connect to any of your
> links from it. But if I add a slash after that url, those links
> DO work. So to connect from Netcom with lynx, I need this command:
> 
> lynx http://iea.com/~rshannon/
> 
> Then it works (I don't know the reason for the difference).  -Mary
Rev. Robert Shannon Sr. Hon. DD Theology
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