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Hold unto your hats Ladies and Gentlemen, we're in for another Troll attack! James Salsman wrote: > Please post a copy of youy reply to the USENET newsgroup > "sci.geo.earthquakes". Please don't. We're a peaceful little group that doesn't mean anybody any harm. Harold Asmis (at home)Return to Top
This table was accidently left off the report last week. Andy --ORIGIN TIME (UT)-- -LAT N-- --LON W-- DEPTH N N RMS ERH ERZ DUR YR MON DA HRMN SEC DEG MIN DEG MIN KM RD S SEC KM KM REMKS MAG 97 JAN 9 952 12.61 39 23.34 122 52.18 10.53 10 .05 .4 2.0 BAR 1.7 97 JAN 9 952 43.01 39 22.59 122 52.13 1.12 9 .09 .311.2 BAR - 1.7 97 JAN 9 1024 48.16 39 1.15 123 4.07 0.90 29 .07 .1 .8 MAA 2.2 97 JAN 9 1041 24.36 38 46.13 122 43.94 2.80 32 1 .06 .1 .3 GEY 1.9 97 JAN 9 1154 40.62 37 30.58 118 51.74 7.39 8 .03 3.6 2.5 MOR 1.2 97 JAN 9 1219 59.63 38 46.88 122 45.70 1.39 14 .07 .2 .6 GEY 1.4 97 JAN 9 1347 28.96 36 51.34 121 35.13 6.64 29 1 .07 .2 .3 SJB 1.5 97 JAN 9 1544 9.67 38 47.68 122 44.86 2.18 9 .02 .3 .7 GEY 1.3 97 JAN 9 1736 2.89 37 31.54 118 51.42 7.94 18 .07 .3 .7 MOR 1.7 97 JAN 10 28 39.99 35 51.81 121 10.83 8.84 30 .06 .3 1.1 SSM 2.4 97 JAN 10 505 3.37 40 51.81 123 48.44 26.21 14 .04 .4 .7 EUR 3.5 97 JAN 10 553 45.04 38 46.98 122 45.63 2.04 11 .04 .2 .6 GEY 1.4 97 JAN 10 610 7.82 38 48.30 122 48.91 4.01 9 .07 .4 .9 GEY 1.3 97 JAN 10 615 37.42 38 49.43 122 47.67 3.53 8 .02 .4 .8 GEY 1.3 97 JAN 10 828 53.23 36 34.52 121 10.12 5.81 30 .06 .2 .4 PIN 1.9 97 JAN 10 1043 24.24 38 50.32 123 0.54 5.66 21 .06 .3 .5 MAA 1.7 97 JAN 10 1210 16.81 35 58.86 120 58.96 8.05 10 .02 .3 .8 ROB 1.2 97 JAN 10 1504 38.90 35 36.89 121 16.65 0.00 19 .17 .8 3.8 SSM## 2.1 97 JAN 10 1827 55.98 36 28.16 120 11.44 12.80 10 .08 1.1 1.3 JQN 1.7 97 JAN 10 1956 35.35 35 59.73 120 52.98 7.37 10 .02 .5 .3 ROB 1.1 97 JAN 10 2044 13.62 39 37.43 120 5.13 0.02 34 .22 .7 2.0 WAK # 3.0 97 JAN 10 2119 5.84 37 15.58 121 58.19 2.99 22 1 .07 .2 .9 SCV 1.4 97 JAN 11 154 39.38 38 46.82 122 45.87 1.99 17 .05 .2 .7 GEY 1.9 97 JAN 11 155 2.58 38 46.79 122 45.82 1.19 18 1 .06 .2 .5 GEY 1.4 97 JAN 11 155 56.91 40 53.83 121 47.80 11.11 8 1 .04 .7 3.9 SHA 1.8 97 JAN 11 236 32.40 38 48.02 122 48.60 4.51 8 .02 .4 .8 GEY 1.3 97 JAN 11 357 45.06 38 47.79 122 46.40 4.72 20 .04 .2 .4 GEY 1.7 97 JAN 11 415 57.43 36 0.80 120 33.54 6.62 12 2 .04 .5 .7 SLA 1.3 97 JAN 11 457 39.64 38 46.50 122 45.03 1.29 14 1 .01 .2 .5 GEY 2.1 97 JAN 11 457 41.39 38 46.10 122 44.10 0.43 14 .06 .4 1.4 GEY 1.9 97 JAN 11 539 52.65 36 29.82 121 4.11 2.53 19 1 .08 .3 .3 BIT 1.6 97 JAN 11 614 47.11 36 29.87 121 4.19 2.53 21 1 .07 .2 .3 BIT 1.8 97 JAN 11 636 45.16 37 32.81 121 51.80 5.01 40 1 .07 .1 .2 SUN 1.7 97 JAN 11 1157 42.96 38 49.47 122 26.81 7.38 10 .03 .4 .4 GVL 1.2 97 JAN 11 1236 5.39 36 42.64 121 21.46 2.79 12 2 .05 .2 .4 STN 1.1 97 JAN 11 1325 25.24 38 47.19 122 45.42 2.11 7 .02 .3 .9 GEY 1.2 97 JAN 11 1334 57.34 38 49.46 122 47.95 4.04 9 .03 .4 .7 GEY 1.3 97 JAN 11 1342 21.59 35 57.42 120 31.70 13.05 12 2 .06 .9 .4 MID 1.3 97 JAN 11 1434 11.20 40 19.62 125 41.08 5.00 15 .1912.917.0 MEN - 2.7 97 JAN 11 1704 16.81 41 58.66 122 8.34 16.36 21 2 .19 .9 1.5 MOD 3.1 97 JAN 11 1717 53.93 36 8.14 120 10.65 5.91 21 .16 1.3 1.7 COA 2.1 97 JAN 11 1723 17.47 36 49.93 121 29.59 9.45 8 .02 .8 .9 SJB 1.1 97 JAN 11 1839 11.12 37 40.90 119 21.38 5.19 10 .05 .7 3.9 KAI 1.7 97 JAN 11 1904 4.67 38 49.31 122 48.68 4.05 8 .04 .5 .7 GEY .8 97 JAN 11 1941 52.02 39 37.53 123 23.01 7.44 17 .06 .2 .4 MAA 2.2 --ORIGIN TIME (UT)-- -LAT N-- --LON W-- DEPTH N N RMS ERH ERZ DUR YR MON DA HRMN SEC DEG MIN DEG MIN KM RD S SEC KM KM REMKS MAG 97 JAN 11 2030 49.26 40 13.04 124 8.17 14.45 9 1 .07 .4 .8 MEN 1.7 97 JAN 11 2122 43.69 38 49.14 122 46.49 0.73 15 .04 .2 .4 GEY 1.5 97 JAN 12 113 13.44 37 31.19 118 47.50 2.56 19 .05 .4 2.9 MOR 1.7 97 JAN 12 138 45.58 36 3.17 120 35.77 4.35 22 .07 .4 .3 SLA 1.9 97 JAN 12 237 42.16 38 49.34 122 48.04 3.55 8 .03 .4 .7 GEY 1.5 97 JAN 12 435 19.00 38 46.49 122 44.79 2.95 20 .04 .2 .6 GEY 1.7 97 JAN 12 513 26.82 40 8.36 123 50.55 22.03 12 1 .03 .3 .4 MEN 2.1 97 JAN 12 814 46.38 37 30.15 118 49.96 11.79 10 .02 .9 1.5 MOR 1.2 97 JAN 12 925 42.57 38 48.19 122 47.95 1.88 20 2 .05 .2 .3 GEY 1.7 97 JAN 12 1012 37.81 36 14.65 120 16.82 12.79 15 .06 .6 1.9 COA 1.9 97 JAN 12 1208 2.00 35 57.35 120 29.85 13.63 34 2 .05 .3 .2 MID 1.9 97 JAN 12 1224 28.11 36 15.94 121 42.31 0.56 12 .08 1.0 7.2 SUR # 1.5 97 JAN 12 1255 39.56 35 46.94 118 19.83 12.37 11 .05 .4 .9 WWF 2.7 97 JAN 12 1338 0.42 36 12.93 120 17.60 3.79 9 1 .09 .9 3.1 COA 1.8 97 JAN 12 1408 30.11 37 33.23 118 49.11 5.04 8 .03 .5 .7 MOR 1.2 97 JAN 12 1415 49.06 38 3.40 119 14.14 1.61 10 .15 4.110.8 MOL - 2.2 97 JAN 12 1508 55.84 36 26.67 120 59.60 3.96 15 .05 .4 1.5 BIT 1.4 97 JAN 12 1601 1.38 38 47.14 122 45.42 1.94 11 1 .04 .2 .6 GEY 1.4 97 JAN 12 1746 27.22 36 33.28 121 8.88 8.60 40 1 .06 .1 .3 PIN 2.1 97 JAN 12 1830 30.18 36 27.55 121 1.79 4.95 21 .06 .2 .5 BIT 1.6 97 JAN 12 2124 37.73 37 35.19 118 50.49 7.33 9 2 .04 1.0 1.1 MOR 1.3 97 JAN 13 6 12.17 37 21.76 119 52.32 5.00 8 3 .33 1.911.6 KAI # 1.6 97 JAN 13 58 54.28 38 48.12 122 44.52 2.14 12 .04 .2 .6 GEY 1.4 97 JAN 13 449 38.54 38 49.45 122 47.82 3.69 11 .02 .3 .6 GEY 1.4 97 JAN 13 503 33.46 36 0.92 120 34.16 5.41 18 1 .08 .3 .4 SLA 1.6 97 JAN 13 744 21.88 37 2.09 121 57.57 4.04 10 2 .05 .4 .3 MON 1.4 97 JAN 13 824 44.13 37 24.65 121 45.50 8.70 10 .02 .4 .6 ALU 1.2 97 JAN 13 950 55.82 36 47.38 121 26.96 7.43 34 .17 .3 1.0 SJB 1.7 97 JAN 13 1203 1.34 38 49.42 122 46.65 2.63 8 .02 .3 .7 GEY 1.3 97 JAN 13 1253 14.91 36 1.06 120 33.90 4.31 14 .05 .4 .5 SLA 1.4 97 JAN 13 1302 18.86 37 32.40 118 51.53 2.57 12 1 .08 .4 3.7 MOR 1.6 97 JAN 13 1328 16.95 37 48.90 121 56.18 16.53 19 .08 .3 1.0 DAN 1.5 97 JAN 13 1334 17.34 37 48.82 121 56.56 15.57 21 .08 .3 1.0 DAN 1.5 97 JAN 13 1454 38.93 40 17.20 124 23.40 21.42 19 1 .08 .9 .3 MEN 3.8 97 JAN 13 1519 57.07 36 36.28 121 12.81 4.72 8 .03 .4 .8 PIN 1.2 97 JAN 13 1756 25.90 40 36.75 122 20.69 14.11 7 .08 .7 1.0 SHA 2.5 97 JAN 13 1842 8.28 36 53.57 121 38.39 10.70 9 .05 .6 1.0 SJB 1.0 97 JAN 13 2219 26.85 37 40.92 118 49.83 3.81 11 .06 .3 .6 HCF 1.2 97 JAN 13 2242 47.40 40 16.52 124 22.43 23.07 15 .11 1.4 .5 MEN 2.7 97 JAN 14 2 26.78 39 37.51 120 2.00 0.04 19 .89 4.8 6.6 WAK # 3.0 97 JAN 14 237 4.85 38 49.48 122 47.74 3.81 12 .03 .3 .6 GEY 1.7 97 JAN 14 307 14.59 36 49.75 121 33.63 6.87 62 .19 .3 .5 SJB 2.9 97 JAN 14 422 51.13 38 52.79 122 48.63 1.61 14 .04 .2 .8 GEY 2.1 97 JAN 14 554 39.16 40 12.07 121 8.01 4.99 7 .05 .9 7.5 ALM - 2.1 97 JAN 14 738 8.71 36 32.12 121 7.48 5.83 18 .04 .3 .6 PIN 1.8 --ORIGIN TIME (UT)-- -LAT N-- --LON W-- DEPTH N N RMS ERH ERZ DUR YR MON DA HRMN SEC DEG MIN DEG MIN KM RD S SEC KM KM REMKS MAG 97 JAN 14 934 32.81 38 49.46 122 48.11 3.65 22 .05 .2 .4 GEY 2.1 97 JAN 14 1154 17.04 38 49.41 122 48.04 3.96 11 .03 .3 .6 GEY 1.4 97 JAN 14 1516 12.18 38 47.29 122 46.51 3.97 9 .02 .3 .8 GEY 1.4 97 JAN 14 1541 9.80 36 51.28 121 35.16 6.77 17 .10 .3 .5 SJB 1.6 97 JAN 14 1641 41.85 39 36.87 120 4.46 0.04 21 1 .40 3.2 3.8 WAK # 2.7 97 JAN 14 1711 51.59 40 13.56 123 15.23 32.81 12 .08 .4 1.2 KLA 2.1 97 JAN 14 1728 1.98 37 23.65 118 52.72 6.87 13 .07 .4 4.8 SIL 1.5 97 JAN 14 1734 16.98 37 23.93 118 51.86 10.10 7 .05 1.5 3.8 SIL 1.2 97 JAN 14 1802 50.00 36 47.95 121 31.27 6.92 40 .18 .3 .6 SJB 2.0 97 JAN 14 1828 23.48 37 38.28 118 58.88 8.19 17 .07 .4 .8 SMO 1.6 97 JAN 14 2006 23.00 36 32.02 120 51.22 5.12 27 .19 .3 1.9 CRV# 2.1 97 JAN 14 2030 28.63 37 27.42 118 37.90 14.47 15 .06 .7 3.0 RVL 1.5 97 JAN 15 410 29.60 36 31.65 120 51.45 5.82 13 .24 .8 6.9 CRV## 1.3 97 JAN 15 433 40.22 37 56.33 121 57.96 13.27 10 .06 .5 1.1 CON 1.3 97 JAN 15 438 23.86 37 20.10 121 42.11 8.03 13 .08 .4 1.2 SFL 1.3 97 JAN 15 806 43.39 39 25.90 123 16.00 0.04 26 .30 .4 3.7 MAA## 2.4 97 JAN 15 1347 36.58 36 55.07 121 39.17 5.51 8 .04 .4 .7 SJB 1.0 97 JAN 15 1555 18.45 39 41.26 121 37.47 15.80 8 .03 .7 1.0 ALM 1.8 97 JAN 15 1724 47.17 36 35.03 121 7.80 8.26 8 .07 .5 1.7 BVL 1.0 97 JAN 15 1845 32.82 36 2.41 120 35.19 4.47 14 .06 .4 .5 SLA 1.8 97 JAN 15 1923 56.44 37 28.96 118 48.38 10.19 13 .11 .5 2.8 MOR 2.8 97 JAN 15 2048 27.98 36 48.48 121 25.29 3.43 10 .19 1.4 2.4 HOL 1.3 97 JAN 16 246 38.16 37 19.81 118 32.46 4.99 16 .09 1.010.2 KAI-- 2.3 97 JAN 16 255 14.47 38 49.38 122 48.21 4.01 7 .03 .4 .8 GEY 1.0 97 JAN 16 617 48.31 37 31.03 118 48.08 12.07 13 .03 .4 1.1 MOR 1.7 97 JAN 16 736 56.28 37 20.05 118 41.59 14.71 23 .16 .6 1.6 KAI 3.1Return to Top
Trying to locate synthetically generated accelerograms for the New Madrid Seismic Zone. Any other intraplate records would also be helpful. DJReturn to Top
Russ Evans wrote: > > Dennis GentryReturn to Topwrote: > > > Of course, if seismologists knew exactly what caused earthquakes > > wouldn't it follow that they should be able to predict them? > > No, that does not follow viz. any phenomenon in which chaotic mechanisms > play a significant part. I get this all the time when I have to deal with the Outside (of Science). Most of it falls into classic logic reversals -- All earthquakes are caused by faults, therefore all faults cause earthquakes. But the Chaos thing is tough, people can't seem to take the unpredictability of earthquakes. It's as though there is a sacred obligation placed on Science to predict all things. In a chaotic system, it is said that the beat of a butterfly's wings can initiate a storm which hits a city half the world away. But it would be impossible to go back and find out which butterfly. And it would be foolish to look at a particular butterfly's wingbeat, and tell the good citizens of Los Angeles to prepare for a flood. :) Harold Asmis (at home)
In articleReturn to Top, e_rmwm@va.nmh.ac.uk (Roger Musson) wrote: >In article gentryd@pipeline.com (Dennis Gentry) writes: >>From: gentryd@pipeline.com (Dennis Gentry) >>Subject: Re: Tidal Influence Time - West Coast >>Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 20:43:52 -0300 > > >>Its that kind of mentality that kept people from looking further into >>Wegeners' theory. Sure his theory about how the process worked was >>wrong, but he *was* on the right track. Only thru other discoveries >>did Wegeners' theory get confirmed, although those other discoveries >>weren't intended for proving/disproving Wegeners' theory. > >>Is the same thing happening here? > >I'm getting the feeling there is an argument here along the lines of: > >1) Wegener was an amateur (as far as geology goes, only) >2) Wegener turned out to be right >3) Therefore all amateurs are right. > >Just because one can see a problem a mile high in some half-baked hypothesis >doesn't mean one has a blinkered mentality. No, Roger. I'm not saying that at all. I think you know what I'm saying. Why not take the approach of offering plausible alternatives to the part of the supposed half-baked hypothesis instead of trashing it altogether. These are exactly the reasons why I won't disclose what I am doing. I'm an amateur, so therefore, I don't know what I'm talking about. Regards, Dennis
In article <32E59165.603@interlog.com>, pilasm@interlog.com wrote: >Russ Evans wrote: >> >> Dennis GentryReturn to Topwrote: >> >> > Of course, if seismologists knew exactly what caused earthquakes >> > wouldn't it follow that they should be able to predict them? >> >> No, that does not follow viz. any phenomenon in which chaotic mechanisms >> play a significant part. > >I get this all the time when I have to deal with the Outside (of >Science). Most of it falls into classic logic reversals -- All >earthquakes are caused by faults, therefore all faults cause >earthquakes. But the Chaos thing is tough, people can't seem to take >the unpredictability of earthquakes. It's as though there is a sacred >obligation placed on Science to predict all things. As some seismologists have posted here before, they would love to be able to predict earthquakes. Looking at this another way, it sure is funny that in one breath it is said that its a sacred obligation place on Science and then in another breath anybody thats not part of Science is not qualified to make observations. Since science appears to only want to refute claims made by non- scientists, then scientists should foot the bill. Okay. I know I'm opening up a can of worms. But I didn't start it and I sure won't shy away from it. Regards, Dennis
In article <32E46177.2D74@earthlink.net>, obrlndr@earthlink.net wrote: >texasai@aol.com wrote: >> >> In articleReturn to Top, >> gentryd@pipeline.com (Dennis Gentry) writes: >> >> > >> > I wonder where all the rice paddies are here in the U.S.? >> > >> >> Arkansas, Louisiana and Texas >> >> Jim Loftus >> JimFL@aol.com > >And California >-- >"There are only two races on earth: the decent and the indecent" Viktor >Frankl Ah heck, when did they start turning the marshes and swamps back east into rice paddies? Never saw any during the times that I had traveled thru those areas. But then that was over 15 years ago. And California? Dennis
Dennis Gentry wrote: > > In article <32E46177.2D74@earthlink.net>, obrlndr@earthlink.net wrote: > > >texasai@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> In articleReturn to Top, > >> gentryd@pipeline.com (Dennis Gentry) writes: > >> > >> > > >> > I wonder where all the rice paddies are here in the U.S.? > >> > > >> > >> Arkansas, Louisiana and Texas > >> > >> Jim Loftus > >> JimFL@aol.com > > > >And California > >-- > >"There are only two races on earth: the decent and the indecent" Viktor > >Frankl > > Ah heck, when did they start turning the marshes and swamps back east > into rice paddies? Never saw any during the times that I had traveled > thru those areas. But then that was over 15 years ago. > > And California? > > Dennis California rice is considered some of the best in the world and only Texas produces more rice than Ca. Paul -- "There are only two races on earth: the decent and the indecent" Viktor Frankl
Harold and Lise wrote: > > Russ Evans wrote: > > > > Dennis GentryReturn to Topwrote: > > > > > Of course, if seismologists knew exactly what caused earthquakes > > > wouldn't it follow that they should be able to predict them? > > > > No, that does not follow viz. any phenomenon in which chaotic mechanisms > > play a significant part. > > I get this all the time when I have to deal with the Outside (of > Science). Most of it falls into classic logic reversals -- All > earthquakes are caused by faults, therefore all faults cause > earthquakes. But the Chaos thing is tough, people can't seem to take > the unpredictability of earthquakes. It's as though there is a sacred > obligation placed on Science to predict all things. > > In a chaotic system, it is said that the beat of a butterfly's wings can > initiate a storm which hits a city half the world away. But it would be > impossible to go back and find out which butterfly. And it would be > foolish to look at a particular butterfly's wingbeat, and tell the good > citizens of Los Angeles to prepare for a flood. :) > > Harold Asmis (at home) Unless it was a very large butterfly. ;) -- "There are only two races on earth: the decent and the indecent" Viktor Frankl
In articleReturn to Top, gentryd@pipeline.com (Dennis Gentry) wrote: > Since science appears to only want to refute claims made by non- > scientists, Hunh? Haven't you read your Asimov, Clarke, Sagan, Einstein, Burke, Hawking, Morris, or any of a dozen other popularizers of sicence? (And yes! I include Einstein and Hawking in that list because they have both written books for about what they do for people who are not specialists in their fields.) These people have all tried to make it clear that *anyone* can do science. Science is gathering information, coming up with explanations, and figuring out ways to see if those explanations are right. If you want to build a garage, you have to do some sicence first: how strong is a piece of wood? What happens if you make concrete out of beach sand? (why?) Can you leave a garage unpainted? It's not "scientists v. non-scientists" here. It's "any hypothesis is subject to verification and counterexample. " > then scientists should foot the bill. What bill? Who discovered all the physical laws that make it possible for the scientist's friend, the engineer, to build all these cool toys you play with all day? No, you are mistaken. (And I'm not saying that because I think you're a non-scientist. It's not my place to make that judgement; I'm a software engineer. You just are.) -- timberwoof*@themall.net (Take the * out to email me. It's for the benefit of spammers.) 1989 Honda CB400f CB-1; 1991 Honda Civic Si; Macintosh Centris 610
And from San Fernando: ******* Frustrated by the lack of response to an innovative seismic retrofit program introduced last year, members of the local redevelopment agency voted recently to sweeten a deal that already provided forgivable, interest-free loans to residents living in homes most susceptible to earthquake damage: those not bolted to their foundations. "It's a shame not to have more people beating down my door," said Jim Eldridge, an engineering consultant hired by the city to administer the program. -- Harold W. Asmis harold.w.asmis@hydro.on.ca tel 416.592.7379 fax 416.592.5322 Standard Disclaimers ApplyReturn to Top
Archive-name: ca-earthquakes, Part III Cathy Smither (PhD, Caltech) asked that this post be dedicated to Alfred Wegener. The purpose of this FAQ is NOT to circumvent conventional media. If it did, the FAQ would easily be as long as library text books. If you are unwilling to look up information in a book, this FAQ could easily be just as long as any book. A source for most general questions about earthquakes is THE classic reference work on the subject: %A Charles F. Richter %Z Caltech %T Elementary Seismology %I W. H. Freeman Publishers (try a library) %C New York %C San Francisco (it appears this office is now closed) %D 1958 Why do we suggest THIS book? Because most readers are familiar with Richter's name. Other people will question other authors (either authorities [whom the cranks question] or cranks [who the authorities question], you are welcome to read anyone). Although this text was published before the theory of plate tectonics, it is quite readable by the general public (the extensive math being in the Appendix). It covers earthquake dynamics, questions like animals, weather, etc. And he is THE authority. Also it's harder to question the dead. For instance page 133: "Earthquake weather," as commonly described, is merely a popular fable. . . .can be traced to classical writing. The Greeks . . . Visit a library to find this book to answer your questions before thinking about posting to the net. Do you really think an 100+ line net posting can answer everything? Richter's 1.5 inches thick and packed with information. There are numerous other good books. Bruce Bolt (UC Berkeley), Norris (UCSB), and others. Just check a library out. Community college classes are fun and useful (field trips!). Additionally, the Bay Area is especially fortunate to have the Menlo Park offices of the US Geological Survey. The USGS does work on cartography (map making), seismology, volcanology, land slides, hydrology, etc. They have tours, open house, and have speakers available on a wide variety of subjects. Just visit them. They have maps, reports, etc. IF YOU receive a prediction: earthquakes happen practically everyday around the world. Any GOOD prediction will have, epicenter: latitude longitude depth date (with time) magnitude Insist on knowing these things and you will get ride of 80% of the cranks. Simplying saying "A quake will happen" is like dowsing for water. Richter specifically wrote: Amateur predictors are legion, and will continue to be, so long as claiming to predict earthquakes is an easy way to get one's name into the newspaper. Many of them are honestly self-deceived; they usually have (1) no concept of the frequency of small earthquakes (100,000 a year is a good figure to think of, although it needs definition in terms of the lower limit of the magnitude included), (2) no means of knowing what earthquakes have occured or how large they are, beyond mention in the press and the space allotted there, and (3) no effective training in scientific thinking. Some "predictors" select a large number of quakes through the year and then claim as predicted anything which happens within a few days of any such date -- so that the earthquakes of half the year or even more are called in as "verification." ...Predictions based on positions of the sun and moon have to be regarded a trifle more seriously, since there is evidence that tidal forces may occasionally act as triggers for earthquakes otherwise on the point of taking place; in this way the date and hours of occurence may show a slight statistical correlation with the tides. Page 386 Chapter 24, Earthquake Risk and Protective Measures Part I, Earthquake Nature and Observation Charles Richter The front of your California phone book, the Red Cross, Sunset Magazine, your state and county offices of emergency services are all good sources of information concerning earthquake preparedness. Topics include: +Preparing your home to prevent property damage and injury from falling objects (e.g. bolting houses to foundations, securing water heaters and bookcases, NOT having your bed under a window). +Stocking a few days of food and water (albeit it could do you little good if you are not near your cache). +Knowing what to do during (get under a doorway or desk, DO NOT run outside) and after an earthquake (Do you know how to turn off your utilities?). +Try to stay off of the telephone except in EXTEREME emergencies. Emergency services personnel need the lines for disaster assistance. Temporarily disable UUCP connections as well. If you need to make a call, wait patiently for a dial tone. Clicking the receiver will prevent you from ever getting one. To contact family, set up a contact person out of state whom everyone can call. Calls out are given preference over calls into the damaged region. Pay telephones (at least the ones run by Pacific Bell) are on priority service and should provide reliable service. +LEARN FIRST AID. SF 1989 showed that volunteer rescuers are critical. If you want to learn something useful, get a Red-Cross certification card, and even then, that's not a guarantee, it's First-Aid. Any smart class will prepare you with pre-cautions. Remember STOP! Think Observe Plan +One previous net.thread involves fire-arms. Guns have no use in this natural disaster. That silly discussion belongs in other newsgroups. Lastly, on a frequently mentioned topic peripheral to earthquakes: The following message comes from a former Vice-President of Caltech: As for "Caltech" vs. "Cal Tech," it is DEFINITELY supposed to be CALTECH, one word, not Cal Tech. Linda is a stickler on this, and woe unto him who makes this mistake! She frequently finds the error in written stuff, often stuff coming from Caltech itself. She blasts the miscreant. Best wishes -----Barclay As far as I know, it was always one word. Supposedly, the powers that be (or were) -- Millikan, Hale, and Noyes -- decided at the beginning that Caltech would be different from Georgia Tech etc. -----Barclay This is useful first order check of outgoing Tech material. END BOILER PLATE. From: greg@perry.berkeley.edu (Greg Anderson) Subject: Quake magnitudes Summary: arbitrary, arbitrary, arbitrary In article <24eo56INNjlf@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> andy@cse.ucsc.edu (Andy John) writes: >Is the magnitude the magnitude of the total energy released, or the amount of >shaking at it's worst point? In short, Richter magnitude is none of the above. In long, I offer the following: Richter's definition of the local magnitude scale came about because he was looking for a quantitative way to compare earthquakes, based on instrumental recordings rather than statements of 'the quake felt like XX to me here'. Basically, he wanted to be able to say, based on instrumental recordings, `This earthquake here on this date was larger (or smaller) than this earthquake over there on this other date.' Richter borrowed the idea of a magnitude scale from astronomers, who use such to classify the brightness (either apparent or absolute) of stars. What he did was to define a magnitude scale based on the distance to the quake and maximum amplitude of that quake as recorded on the photographic Wood- Anderson instrument. Here's how it works: You have an earthquake and you have a Wood-Anderson instrument at some distance from that earthquake. You locate the quake and calculate the distance in kilometers from your instrument to the quake's location. Next, you get out your Wood-Anderson record and your ruler and measure the maximum amplitude of the earthquake's recording on that instrument, like so: ^ / \ / \ ---------- ---- \ /--------- <- \ / | record w/o quake record \ / max amplitude with \ / | quake \/ <- The formula for determining the Richter magnitude of an earthquake is: ML = log10(max. amplitude) - log10(A0) The term -log10(A0) is a correction for the distance from the quake to the instrument, and is designed so that an earthquake 100 kilometers from your station will have a maximum amplitude of 1 millimeter if the quake's magnitude is 3.0. The important thing to note here is that that number, ML = 3.0, is completely arbitrary. Richter could have defined it to be anything he wanted it to be -- 0.0, 1.0, 10.0, whatever. You have now read the maximum amplitude (in mm) from your record and have determined the distance from the quake to your location, so now you look up the distance correction factor, take the log (base 10) of the max amplitude, add those two numbers together, and you have your Richter magnitude. Now, several important things about Richter magnitude: 1) Richter magnitude is physically meaningless. The Richter magnitude is based solely on how a specific type of instrument responds to the motion of a quake, and tells you nothing about the physical quake itself. But this is OK, because, and this is critical to keep in mind, the ONLY reason for having the Richter Scale is to have an objective means of comparing two quakes. It is NOT an inherent thing of quakes -- it is an arbitrarily designed scale created by Richter for his convenience. There have been several papers written which attempted to find an equation linking energy release and Richter magnitude or any of several other physical parameters to Richter magnitude, but these are all EMPIRICAL relationships, not something inherent to the scale itself. 2) Richter magnitude is inaccurate, particularly for large quakes. This is due to the fact that, as quakes get larger, they release more and more energy into the ground, and this will eventually overwhelm the recording device's capabilities. For the Wood-Andersons, this happens at about ML=6.5 or so. 3) Richter magnitude does NOT depend on how people felt the quake. Posts on ca.earthquakes often contain the statement, 'I am in city XX, and it felt like a Y.Y. What was it in city ZZ?' These people are NOT describing magnitude. They are describing intensity -- in other words, how the quake affected people or objects near them. Intensity varies widely with distance, what the person was doing at the time, and what kind of soil were they on. Other factors enter into it, such as what kind of building they are in and how sensitive they are. Magnitude, on the other hand, uses only distance and amplitude. From station A at a distance of, say, 20 km from the quake, we might get an ML=4.2, while at station B at a distance of, say, 100 kilometers in the other direction from the quake, we might get an ML=4.4, and at a third station at 50 km and along a third azimuth, we might get an ML=4.1. The magnitude for the quake would be given as a 4.2, and that would be it. The intensity might vary drastically from place to place and distance to distance, but the magnitude would not. 4) Little differences in magnitude are meaningless. These little differences, such as those between UC Berkeley and the USGS in Menlo Park and Caltech, are caused by two major factors. First, slight differences in the methods and instruments used to measure Richter magnitude, and second, variations in the earthquake's energy release (i.e. more energy might go north than would go south, which would cause the northern stations to give higher magnitudes than average, while southern stations might give lower than average magnitudes) as well as variations in the earth's crust. They are also due to slight differences in reading techniques from one person to the next (for example, Suzanna Loper at UCB and I have found that the average difference in magnitude between her mags and mine is about 0.1 magnitude units) and other, less important factors. But all of this is really meaningless, especially considering that Richter himself recommended only using magnitudes to about 0.5 magnitude units. Basically, magnitude differences from one group to another of +/- 0.2 magnitude units are very common, and essentially meaningless. 5) The magnitude scale is logarithmic in amplitude. A very pompous way of saying that, for each whole unit increase (or decrease) in magnitude, the recorded maximum amplitude goes up (or down) by a factor of 10. So a quake with ML=4.0 has 10 times higher recorded amplitude than a quake with ML=3.0 and 10 times lower than a quake with ML=5.0. An EMPIRICAL relationship between ML and energy release has been found and basically states that, for each increase (or decrease) in magnitude of a 1.0 unit, the energy released by the quake goes up (or down) by a factor of about 32. But keep in mind that this is something found by calculating the energy and magnitude individually, and then trying to connect them, not something inherent in the magnitude scale itself. Whew! Now, to complicate the issue further, there are many different types of magnitudes in use by seismologists, each with its own purpose. The Richter magnitude is the most familiar to the public because it is the one that gets reported to the press for local quakes. And all of the scales, except one, give you no physical information about the quake, and are only designed to help compare one quake to the next. That one exception is moment magnitude, which is based not on the instrumental recordings of a quake, but on the area of the fault that ruptured in the quake. This means that the moment magnitude does tell you something physical about a single quake. But that's another post, and there are others better suited than me to do that one. Hope that helps and doesn't confuse anybody. Greg Anderson _____ From: anderson@mahi.ucsd.edu Subject: Rates of Earthquakes Recently, someone asked about the rate of occurrence for earthquakes of a given size in California. Dr. Robert Uhrhammer at UC Berkeley has examined the UC Berkeley catalogs for the past forty years, and has come up with some statistics on rate and probabilities for earthquakes of a given size or larger in certain areas of California and for California as a whole. Below, I have summarized the results in a few tables. Thanks go to Bob for the data, and any and all mistakes (either typos or, more importantly, errors in interpretation) are mine. Below, I present the tables for the Central Coast Ranges of California, a region that generally extends from Santa Rosa in the north to San Luis Obispo in the south, Northern and Central California (north of the transverse ranges), and California overall. These tables give the rate of earthquakes per year and the probability of earthquakes occurring in one hour, day, week, month, and year, for a range of magnitudes. If you want all the details on how these tables are generated, they are at the bottom of this section. CENTRAL COAST RANGES, CALIFORNIA Having looked at all the earthquakes with M >= 2.5 that were recorded by the UC Berkeley network between 1949 and 1988, and declustered them into about 3000 groups, the following equation was found: log N = 3.97 - 0.832*M This can be translated into the following table: Probability in one ML eqs/yr hour day week month year _____________________________________________________________________ 2.5 77.625 0.8816 19.1465 77.5254 99.8449 100.0000 3.0 29.785 0.3392 7.8313 43.6051 91.6432 100.0000 3.5 11.429 0.1303 3.0807 19.7308 61.4186 99.9989 4.0 4.385 0.0500 1.1935 8.0875 30.6110 98.7541 4.5 1.683 0.0192 0.4596 3.1841 13.0835 81.4124 5.0 0.646 0.0074 0.1766 1.2340 5.2383 47.5681 5.5 0.248 0.0028 0.0678 0.4753 2.0434 21.9439 6.0 0.095 0.0011 0.0260 0.1826 0.7890 9.0682 6.5 0.036 0.0004 0.0100 0.0701 0.3035 3.5818 7.0 0.014 0.0002 0.0038 0.0269 0.1166 1.3898 NORTHERN AND CENTRAL CALIFORNIA Having looked at all the earthquakes with M >= 3.0 that were recorded by the UC Berkeley network between 1949 and 1988, and declustered them into about 2900 sequences, the following equation was found: log N = 4.44 - 0.857*M which translates to the following table: Probability in one ML eqs/yr hour day week month year ___________________________________________________________________ 3.0 73.961 0.8402 18.3312 75.8846 99.7895 100.0000 3.5 27.574 0.3141 7.2716 41.1554 89.9524 100.0000 4.0 10.280 0.1172 2.7754 17.9380 57.5431 99.9966 4.5 3.833 0.0437 1.0439 7.1054 27.3407 97.8348 5.0 1.429 0.0163 0.3905 2.7105 11.2258 76.0426 5.5 0.533 0.0061 0.1457 1.0192 4.3422 41.2995 6.0 0.199 0.0023 0.0544 0.3812 1.6415 18.0130 6.5 0.074 0.0008 0.0203 0.1423 0.6151 7.1371 7.0 0.028 0.0003 0.0076 0.0531 0.2298 2.7228 CALIFORNIA This table is likely to be somewhat of an underestimation, because of the fact that some magnitude 3.5 or smaller earthquakes may have been missed. But, assuming the data are complete, the equation log N = 4.816-0.82*M is found, which translates to the following table: Probability in one ML eqs/yr hour day week month year ___________________________________________________________________ 3.0 226.986 2.5562 46.2847 98.7287 100.0000 100.0000 3.5 88.308 1.0024 21.4772 81.6993 99.9363 100.0000 4.0 34.356 0.3912 8.9775 48.3504 94.2902 100.0000 4.5 13.366 0.1524 3.5933 22.6661 67.1701 99.9998 5.0 5.200 0.0593 1.4136 9.5162 35.1653 99.4483 5.5 2.023 0.0231 0.5524 3.8157 15.5140 86.7744 6.0 0.787 0.0090 0.2153 1.5022 6.3483 54.4812 6.5 0.306 0.0035 0.0838 0.5871 2.5194 26.3758 7.0 0.119 0.0014 0.0326 0.2288 0.9878 11.2302 7.5 0.046 0.0005 0.0127 0.0891 0.3855 4.5287 Now, armed with these tables, you can ask yourself a very important question regarding earthquake 'predictions'. How good is the prediction? How probable is it that the predicted quake will happen just by random chance in the given interval of time? A good earthquake prediction will have the following components: (1) a specific geographic location (2) a specific time window (3) a specific magnitude (4) a probability estimate, and how it was determined A specific geographic location means, for example, 'in the area within 20 km of Cape Mendocino' or 'within 15 km of San Jose'. Saying something like, 'somewhere between San Francisco and Mexico' or 'on the eastern side of the Sierra Nevada' won't cut it, because it's by far too large an area. A specific time window means, for example, 'between 20 July and 22 July, 1993', not 'sometime within the next three months'. A specific magnitude range means, for example, 'between 4.0 and 4.5 on the Richter scale' or 'larger than 6.5 on the Richter scale'. And the probability estimate means, 'There is a 65% chance of this happening.' And it's important that the person doing the 'predicting' explain how he or she arrived at the probability estimate. Simply guessing that there is, oh, about a 65% chance is not good enough for people to judge the prediction. So a good earthquake prediction will read something like this: There is a 65% probability that there will be an earthquake of magnitude approximately 5 on the Richter scale within 20 kilometers of Cape Mendocino between 20 July and 22 July, 1993. The probability estimate is based on my historic success rate, as shown by the published predictions I have made. This kind of a prediction gives you enough specific information to (a) decide if you believe the person *before* the quake, (b) decide if it's worth worrying about or making some sort of change in your life, and (c) test it when it either does or does not happen. A bad earthquake prediction reads something like this: On 24 April 1992, there was a magnitude 6 earthquake near Cape Mendocino. I predicted this quake, saying that there would be a magnitude 6 earthquake somewhere between Japan and Washington State. The reasons this one is bad should be obvious, but in case they aren't, here are some of them: (1) the 'prediction' is announced after the fact (2) the geographic area is much too large to be of any use, and in fact is so large as to almost guarantee the success of the prediction by chance. (3) there is no time estimate. Magnitude 6 earthquakes happen with regularity in this zone, and not giving a time window practically guarantees success (unless the quakes simply stop happening). (4) there is no probability estimate. Anyway, sermon over. With the above tables, when someone 'predicts' a quake in California, you can take the time and magnitude window given and estimate the chances that such an earthquake would happen simply by chance. So, for argument's sake, let's say that I make the prediction I did above for Cape Mendocino between the 20th and 22nd of July, 1993. Look in the table for Northern California, with magnitude equal to 5. The table says that on an average day, there is a 0.39% chance of such an earthquake occurring somewhere in Northern and Central California. Given that we are talking about a much smaller area, a 400 square kilometer area, there is a much smaller chance that such an earthquake will happen at random. So, if I make this prediction, and the earthquake does come, it is a strong indication that my 'prediction' method works. If I do this a number of times, and succeed a large percentage of the time, it looks good for my method. Whew! This turned out to be considerably longer than I had expected. Once again, I should thank Dr. Robert Uhrhammer for his data and help. I should also state (although I would hope it is obvious) that the opinions in here are mine, and not UC Berkeley's, and not those of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, or of my mother, of of your mother, or of Mother Teresa. At least, not that I know of. ;-) **** Now, here are the details on how the tables are generated: Simply munging a catalog together and counting earthquakes of a given size in a given length of time will give you a false idea of the average rate of seismicity. The reason is that simply counting quakes doesn't take into account the fact that many of the earthquakes will be aftershocks of some other principal earthquake. What you really need to count are the principal earthquakes, because doing otherwise will bias your counting. This process of deciding whether a given earthquake is a principal earthquake or part of an aftershock sequence is called 'declustering'. Once the data are declustered, you make a graph with the logarithm (base 10) of the cumulative number of earthquakes of a given size or larger in a given period of time on the y-axis, and magnitude on the x-axis. Since the number of quakes goes up rapidly with decreasing magnitude, your chart will look something like this: | | | * | * log N | * | * | * | * |_____________________ M Then you attempt to fit a straight line through the data, with the form: log N = a - b*M This leads to rate = 10^(a - b*M), where 'rate' is defined as the number of earthquake sequences of a given magnitude or larger in a given period of time, usually one year. (Of course, all this is really done using a computer, using a number of different line-fitting methods.) OK. Now, we have a way of calculating the rate at which earthquakes of a given size or larger occur, on average, in the given area. For a concrete example, take a look at the "Northern and Central California Seismicity" table. From this table, you can see that there are, on average, 1.44 principal earthquakes with magnitude 5.0 or larger in Northern and Central California in a given year. Or that there are, on average, about 10.3 principal earthquakes with magnitude of 4.0 or larger in Northern and Central California in a given year. Now, you are ready to answer the following question: What is the probability that an earthquake of a given size or larger will occur in my area of interest in a given amount of time? To answer that, you have to make one final assumption, and that this that the earthquakes are somehow distributed in time. Usually, it is assumed that earthquake occurrences in time follow the Poisson distribution (for an explanation of the Poisson distribution, I refer you to the nearest probability text, since I'm highly likely to get the explanation wrong, anyway.) Suffice to say that, because of the structure of the Poisson distribution used in the tables above, with a high rate of seismicity for a given magnitude, the probability rapidly approaches 100%, while for a lower rate, it takes much longer. An equivalent way of saying that is that, the lower the magnitude you look at, the faster the probability of an earthquake of that magnitude happening in a given time rises to nearly 100%. Greg Anderson _____ From: tcsmith@netcom.com (Ted Smith) Subject: CDMG BBS Robert Stroh wrote: Not only do I have it, but here are all the other GeoInfo Net BBS numbers, too. We'll be posting an updated network list very shortly. Hubs: GeoNet BBS 316-265-6457 2400b Wichita, Kansas and 316-265-1994 14.4K bps GeoFuel GeoScience BBS 416-829-4097 16.8K bps Oakville, Ontario CDMG ONLINE 916-327-1208 14.4K bps Sacramento, California Computer Solutions BBS 504-542-9600 14.4K bps Hammond, Louisiana GISnet BBS 303-447-0927 14.4K bps Boulder, Colorado Dark Matter 604-534-7667 14.4K bps Langley, British Columbia Nodes: PreCambrian BBS 602-881-5836 14.4K bps Tucson, Arizona Computer Plumber BBS 319-337-6723 14.4K bps Iowa City, Iowa PSN San Jose 408-226-0675 2400b San Jose, California PSN Pasadena 818-797-0536 2400b Pasadena, California PSN Memphis 901-360-0302 2400b Memphis, Tennessee COGSNET BBS 303-526-1617 14.4K bps Golden, Colorado SurveyNet BBS 207-549-3213 14.4K bps Whitefield, Maine Snowshoe BBS 304-572-2531 14.4K bps Snowshoe, West Virginia _____ From: Richard Stead > >: The traditional Richter measurement is based on the amplitude of > >: surface movement. > > > >Officially, it's based on the movement _on_paper_ of a particular > >class of seismograph. > > > > This is semantics... > All scientific measurements are based on instruments which were designed > to report "natural" events. No. The Richter magnitude has a very specific definition. There is a particular instrument called a Wood-Anderson torsion seismometer that the measurement must be made on. This instrument only functions as a horizontal seismometer. It has a wire stretched vertically to which a small cylindrical weight is welded (against the wire, not with the wire through the middle). There is also a small mirror mounted. A beam of light is directed at the mirror and reflects onto a rotating drum over which a sheet of paper film is mounted. When the earth moves horizontally, the inertia of the weight creates torsion in the wire, deflecting the beam of light from the mirror. The weight and wire are tuned such that the instrument has a natural period of 0.8 seconds. (The 0.8 version must be used for Richter magnitude, but other periods have been used, particularly 6.0 seconds). The computation of Richter magnitude begins by measuring the peak amplitude of the deflection on the paper film. Today, of course, real Wood-Anderson seismometers are rarely used. Instead, we use instruments that are much more capable. To compute a Richter magnitude, however, we first convert the records of these instruments to exactly what an 0.8 second Wood-Anderson torsion would have recorded on its film. We then measure the peak amplitude and procede from there. We can do this only because modern instruments include all the information the old Wood-Anderson would have recorded, but more in addition. The best are called broadband wide dynamic range seismometers. Kinda sounds like the promotions you see on certain records or CDs. A modern instrument will respond in a band from microHertz to 100 Hertz and have a dynamic range of over 150 dB. The Wood-Anderson isn't even close to that. It has a useful range of about 0.01 to 10 Hz and a useful dynamic range of about 30 dB. The limits of the Wood-Anderson cause the Richter magnitude to "saturate" at about M8.5-8.7. It can never get bigger no matter how big the quake really is. The reason for this is something called the "corner frequency". As quakes get bigger, a given site will no longer receive more and more of the higher frequencies. The lowest frequency that is constant in this respect is the "corner". Frequencies below that continue to increase as quakes get bigger. Really large quakes have to be distinguished at frequencies in the range of 0.01 to 0.001 Hz (and even lower - the energy at DC is what is most useful). These frequencies still cause ground motion, but it is not perceptable and not damaging except at very close range to the fault. The Kanamori-Richter or open-ended Richter scale addresses this problem, and basically eliminates the physical Wood-Anderson instrument from the computation. Modern seismology prefers Mw as a magnitude measure for the large and great earthquakes. It is computed from the estimate of energy released by the quake. This is the measure that makes Chile, 1960 the largest quake ever at Mw=9.6. All magnitude scales are adjusted to be in good agreement to Richter over the range that Richter is most applicable, so Mw=9.6 is like saying the quake would be a Richter 9.6, if Richter could measure that high. _____ From: stead@seismo.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead) Subject: Re: Pacific Northwest questions In article <27t0p9INNpk5@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, andy@cse.ucsc.edu (Andy John) writes: > My parents live in Seattle, and have recently heard about the subduction > zone etc... They said that the entire area is bowed upwards about a meter > or so, due to the plate tectonics. I think it was the plate coming in > from the ocean, hitting a mountain range, and being That's not the best way to picture it. The plate is going down because it is unstable on top. Unlike ice, which is lighter than water, solidified mantle material (the ocean crust) should not float above the viscous mantle. This is complicated by the fact that the mantle is also solid on short time scales, and that pressure from the miles of rock above it make the mantle more dense than the ocean crust. When you can move ocean crust into the mantle, the pressure also makes the crust more dense, and then it is denser than the mantle at the same pressure. Thus, it will sink if it starts going down. (But sink slowly, the timescale over which the mantle is fluid is millenia). Thus, no mountain is necessary to push the plate down. In fact, they can just start going down on their own - there are several subduction zones that are out in the middle of the ocean. However, subduction can create mountains two ways. First, the force of collision, if a plate wants to move over a subduction zone, can cause the over-riding plate to buckle and thus produce mountains. Second, as the plate "de-waters" (the ocean crust under the ocean undergoes chemical reactions in which water is incorporated in the chemical composition of the minerals, for example, in the formation of hydrates and hydroxides - heat and pressure release the water), the water lowers the melting point of the surrounding rock, and the now molten rock moves to the surface. It breaks through in the form of strato-volcanoes, characterized by explosive eruptions. This always happens as the down-going slab reaches a particular depth. The slab rarely goes down straight, so the volcanoes form in back of the subduction zone on the over-riding plate. The Cascades are an example of this kind of volcanic activity. > pushed under. They said there could be a magnitude 9 earthquake, and the > area could settle about a meter!!!!!!!! Is this true!!!!!! Is it even > possible to survive a 9? Actually, I would expect more than 1 meter maximum subsidence in a magnitude 9. Certainly, areas of Chile in 1960 and Alaska in 1964 had more than 1 meter. It is certainly possible to survive a 9. As far as what you can feel or most damage it would cause, a 9 is no different than an 8. It just covers more area and lasts a lot longer. Of course, subsidence is larger in a 9, and thus more land can get flooded. Also, there is more damage, because some structures can outlast the shaking of an 8, but when asked to survive the same shaking for a few more minutes, just aren't up to it. Finally, and more significantly, tsunamis are likely to be much worse in a 9. That's the big trouble. If you're up on a nice high, flat plateau in a 9, just lie back and enjoy the experience. You will be in no danger, and you will get to experience one of the rarest natural wonders. I won't vouch for you safety in a building, under a cliff or even among trees. Trees snap off, cliffs fall and buildings may collapse under the shaking. Trees and cliffs can't be helped, but there is no reason buildings should not withstand a 9, it is only bad design that causes them to collapse. _____ Article 2687 of ca.earthquakes: From: ho@helen.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Kinson Ho) Subject: Re: Sliver Creek Fault in San Jose [I submitted the following info to the former/current maintainer of the earthquake FAQ ages ago, but apparently it was decided that the info is not relevant. I was never told why.] If you are planning to buy a house in the Bay Area, I would strongly recommend a visit to the ABAG (Assoc of Bay Area Governments) building in Oakland, near Chinatown. There are two places of interest: a. BAREPP (Bay Area Regional Earthquake Preparedness Project) 101 8th (510-540-2713) They have lots of handouts, a huge technical library, and perhaps lots of experts right there. They will also send you a "home pack" if you call them up. b. ABAG library (in the same building) They have maps of fault lines, maps of regions with different magnitude of ground shaking in case of a quake, and earthquake planning scenario documents (i.e. what the experts think will probably fail in the BIG ONE) etc. You may be able to buy some of these in one of the offices there. Ask the librarian for help. Plan to spend a LOT of time there. BTW, they get a lot of visits from people who are planning to buy a house. Welcome to earthquake country... Kinson Ho _____ Article 2947 in ca.earthquakes: From: Ted Smith Subject: Lone Pine Scarp and Special Studies Zones K>Many years ago, on a geology field trip, I went to see the scarp >of the 1872 quake near Lone Pine. I'd like to go there again, but can't >remember exactly where we went. I looked in my copy of Earthquake Country, >and it says "Take the Whiney Portal highway west out of town. After crossing >the Los Angeles aqueduct, walk (or drive on jeep roads) about a quarter- >mile north to where a very obvious 23-foot east-facing scarp cuts >across an alluvial deposit of a former channel of Lone Pine Creek". >Unfortunately, this book is 30 years old. Are these directions useful, or >does someone have more up-to-date or accurate information? Any help >would be appreciated. Thanks. The fault has been zoned as a fault-rupture hazard by the California Department of Conservation's Division of Mines and Geology. 1:24,000-scale maps are available showing the zones and the faults. An index to the maps appears in DMG Special Publication 42 ("Fault-Rupture Hazard Zones in California"). Copies of the maps are available at county planning offices and from Blue Print Service Company, 1157 Mission Street, San Francisco, CA 94105; phone 415-495-8700, ext. 550. _____ Article 2933 of ca.earthquakes: From: stead@seismo.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead) Subject: Re: Circular quake diagrams??? In article <2c8jr2$8ni@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> andy@cse.ucsc.edu (Andy John) writes: >Is there a easy to explain relationship between those circular >diagrams that always come with quakes? Is the plane the figure is >in supposed to be the surface of the ground? From the figure can >you tell where shaking does and doesn't happen? I haven't been reading for a few days, but it looks like no one answered this. The diagram is informally named a "beachball". The plane is the ground (though I have seen them used in scientific papers with the plane oriented differently). The diagram, given that the plane is the ground, represents the lower hemisphere of the focal sphere. The focal sphere is an imaginary sphere large enough to completely contain the fault rupture. The diagram represents the permanent distortion of that sphere that the quake created. Normally, colored areas represent zones that now protrude outside the original sphere, and the other area has intruded toward the center of the sphere. The boundaries between these are called the nodal lines. They still intersect the original sphere surface. So you can see, since it is just a hemisphere, the plane could be other than the ground - for example, it might be useful to see it from the side, or oriented at another angle, like the surface of a subducting slab. The sphere is not determined by actually measuring displacements of a spherical surface. Instead, the relative motion of this surface is projected from the observation of the motion of waves as recorded at sesimometers. Many simplifying assumptions are made: 1) at the very least, the "moment tensor" is assumed to be symmetric. This allows a hemisphere to represent the entire sphere. The asymetric information must be carefully extracted and evaluated, but it is valuable for identifying the fault plane, directivity, etc.; but it is difficult to do and rarely used. 2) normally, the earthquake is assumed to have a point source. This means that all the rupture happened at a single point. This never happens, but is reasonable to first order. Some seismologists study how the mechanism changes as a function of time and position on the fault - in that case they really do break the fault and the quake process into individual points in space and time. 3) Often, the mechanism is examined in terms of the best-fitting "double couple". The double couple is the theoretical exact motion of a point source fault. This makes the nodal lines run precisely along lines that divide the sphere into hemispheres ("great circles") and that represent planes that intersect each other at exactly 90 degrees. On an ordinary fault, one plane would then be the fault plane and the other is called the "auxillary plane". In most faulting environments, the stress producing the faulting is equally satisfied by slip on either of the two planes. This is why so many faults are at right angles to each other in CA. The most noticeable is the San Andreas and the Garlock, but Landers/Big Bear counts and the Superstition Hills/Elmore Ranch quakes also did this. You will notice that Doug's mechanism for the recent Parkfield quake did not show the double couple, but showed the full moment tensor. However, you can easily see where the double couple lines would go, the mechanism is mostly double couple. The other component is "CLVD" - compensated linear vector dipole. This is a pure compression or extension motion. Explosion/implosion could be part of a moment tensor, but it is normally factored out, particularly when drawing focal spheres. Up to this point, I have described only one kind of focal sphere plot. This is that for radial distortion of the sphere, and is appropriate for P-waves. The shear distortion may also be represented in the same way, except the different areas become twists in opposite directions. Since shear is two-dimensional, while radial distrotion is only one-dimensional, the shear motion must be separated into to focal sphere plots. This is normally done for shear parallel to the ground (SH for shear horizontal), and normal to the ground (SV). These are much more difficult to describe in netnews. The moment tensor plot for radial distortion contains sufficient data to extract the SH and SV spheres, assuming an elastic solid, so the mechanisms are generally used by seismologists only to visualize the shear wave patterns, rather than represent any information the P-wave one can't. (The focal sphere is often also called a "radiation pattern" - by analogy to radiation patterns of antennae. In fact, a map of the world can be projected onto the focal sphere, given a propagation model, to determine first motion anywhere in the world). You also ask if you can tell where shaking happens. No. First, shaking happens everywhere. However, even if we were imbedded in a perfectly uniform, infinite elastic solid, and the quake was a point source, there would only be a single infinite line along which there was no motion - that line is the intersection of the two planes of the double couple. The nodal line for the P-wave is the peak for the S-wave and vice-versa. (The case for a full moment tensor is tougher). Beyond purely theoretical considerations, the earth is not infinite or uniform. This causes energy to refract, reflect and diffract around such that, while a point may miss the first motion, it will certainly get plenty of shaking after that. However, since the S waves are stronger than the P, it is better to be nodal to S - shaking will be a small bit less. What the figure really tells you is what the first motion is expected to be everywhere, but things get a lot less certain after that first swing. _____ Article 3049 of ca.earthquakes: From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera) Subject: PHYSICS NEWS UPDATE #156, 24 Dec 93 [Written by the American Institute of Physics and posted by us. Respond toReturn to Topor other references below. Always posted here on sci.research; sometimes crossposted to other interested groups with followups directed here. Back issues, along with FYI and the American Physical Society news/opinion column WHAT'S NEW, are archived on NIC.HEP.NET for your anonymous FTP'ing pleasure. I won't be logging back on until early January, so this might be your last PNUp for a while. Have a merry Christmas, happy Hannukah, rootsy Kwanzaa, enchanted solstice, or poignant seasonal feast day appropriate to your religion, ethnicity, or other identity group (this *is* coming to you from Berkeley, you know! :) -jc] GEOELECTRIC SIGNALS: DO THEY PRECEDE EARTHQUAKES? Speaking at the recent meeting of the American Geophysical Union, Anthony Fraser Smith of Stanford (415-723- 3687) reviewed his data from four years ago which showed that local measurements of Earth's magnetic field fluctuated much more vigorously than usual in the days and hours before the 7.1-magnitude Loma Prieta earthquake. Many scientists hesitate to infer any correction between the signals and the quake, particularly on the basis of only one such data set. To study the matter further, Fraser Smith has set up several detectors around California near faults. Simon Klemperer, also of Stanford (415-723-7344), attempts to model Fraser Smith's signals by suggesting that in the buildup to a quake, a flexing fault system might squeeze pockets of water together (which are sparse at these depths--18 km), altering the electrical conductivity of the fault, which in turn can act like an antenna to modulate the measured magnetic field at the surface. Other types of geoelectric signals possibly related to quakes were reported at the AGU meeting. Seiya Uyeda of Tokai University in Japan and Texas A&M; cited data linking four recent earthquakes in Japan with anomalies in the static voltage differences between various measurement stations. Jean Chu of MIT presented a small portion of an extensive Chinese study (over 20 years) of earthquakes and possible precursors in the form of changes in the conductivity of the Earth. _____ From: shirriff@cs.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff) Subject: magnitude & power This posting is a long explanation of scales for earthquake magnitudes. In short, the magnitude is the base 10 log of the ground movement amplitude, with a bunch of fudging to make results come out the same at different measuring sites and to make the results comparable between different earthquakes. In general, the magnitude is determined by a formula of the form mag = log(a/T) + f(delta,h) + Cs + Cr where mag is the magnitude, a is the ground amplitude in microns, T is wave period in seconds, f is a function to correct for the effects of distance and focal depth, delta is the epicentral distance in degrees, h is the earthquake focal depth in km, Cs is a correction for the local structures at the station and Cr is a regional correction. The original Richter scale was designed in 1935 for comparing local earthquakes in Southern California and cannot be used directly for comparing earthquakes in other areas. It is defined as M sub L = the logarithm of the maximum recorded trace amplitude in microns of a Wood-Anderson torsion seismograph with specified constants (free period=0.8s, magnification=2800, damping=0.8) at an epicentral distance of 100 km. (Note: all logarithms are base 10). The magnitude M was designed in 1945 by Gutenberg based on surface waves. Considering Rayleigh surface waves in a period range of 20+-2 sec for earthquakes of normal depth, the equation becomes M = log a + c1 log delta + c2, where a is the horizontal ground amplitude in microns, delta is the epicentral distance in degrees, and c1 and c2 are constants. (As best as I can tell, this is the magnitude normally reported.) There is a third magnitude m, similar to M, based on body waves. These magnitudes are related by: m = 1.7 + 0.8 ML - 0.01 ML^2 (where ML is M sub L) m = 0.56 M + 2.9 The International Geophysical Assembly in Zurich in 1967 adopted the following recommendations for magnitude determinations of distant events: 1. Magnitudes should be determined from (a/T)max for all waves for which calibrating functions f(delta,h) are avaliable: PZ, PH, PPZ, PPH, SH, LH, (LZ). (Z=vertical component, H=horizontal component, L=surface wave). 2. Amplitudes and periods used ought to be published. Two magnitudes (m=body-wave magnitude, M=surface-wave magnitude) should be used. For statistical studies M is favoured. The conversion formula m = 0.56M+2.9 is recommended. 3. For body waves the f(delta,h) values of Gutenberg and Richter are used. For surface waves, the Moscow-Prague formula: M = log(a/T) + 1.66 log(delta) + 3.3 is used. (a is the horizontal componente of Rayleigh surface waves; T should be in the period range of 10-30 sec.) 4. If short period records are used exclusively, too low magnitudes result. In order to eliminate this error, it is strongly recommended that for short-period readings either a/T or f(delta,h) be adjusted such that the agreement with long-period instruments is achieved. The energy in ergs released by the earthquake is given by: log E = 12.24 + 1.44 M, where M is the magnitude > 5. This is an empirical equation, derived by integrating over the whole wave train in time and space. From this equation, each increase of 1 in magnitude increases the energy released by a factor of 27.5. The maximum acceleration a0 (in cm/sec^2) is related to magnitude by M = 2 + 2 log(a0). The information in this posting came from "Introduction to Seismology", Markus Bath, 1973, John Wiley&Sons;, New York. This book explains most of what I wanted to know, with lots of formulas. Check it out. _____ Article 4101 of ca.earthquakes: From: gnelson@megatest.com (Glenn Nelson) Subject: Speed of Seismic Waves Here's a brief tutorial about estimating the distance to an earthquake. You can figure the distance to a lightning strike by timing the difference between the flash and the thunder, then calculating based on the speed of sound, approximately 1 mile in 5 seconds. Similar for earthquakes except both P and S waves travel slow, whereas light is virtually instantaneous. Here's how you figure how far away the quake is. The total travel time for S is Ts = dist / Vs and for P is Tp = dist / Vp. The S wave arrives after P, P wave feels like a hammer blow, mostly vertical, S is stronger and longer and often has sideways components. Time the difference of the two arrivals, then (Ts - Tp) = dist/Vs - dist/Vp ==> dist = (Ts - Tp) / (1/Vs - 1/Vp). If you are within 80-100 km, this is a reasonable formula: dist = 8 * (Ts-Tp) kilometers. The P wave travels fastest, the S wave slower. P stands for primary and S for secondary, or maybe P is for pressure (the type of wave) and S for shear. In normal matter shear waves always travel slower. In the earth's crust, 25 to 50 km thick on the continents, P velocity is close to sqrt(3) faster than S (that's the year George Washington was born). In California we often use 1.75 or even 1.78. In California, for distances up to about 40 km, the P waves travel about 6 km/sec, after that, maybe 7 km/sec. In the formula above you substitute Vs=Vp/1.75, then choose some number for Vp, I usually use 6. Substitute above to get the simplified formula. >From chucko@rahul.net Thu Mar 3 22:16:39 1994 I tried plowing through all three sections of the FAQ on my little 24x80 home terminal. It seemed to me there was a great deal of repetition about the basics (e.g. intensity vs. magnitude, why the Richter scale is not particularly accurate for measuring large quakes, etc.). I think some of this material would be best made available via FTP, and the FAQ should contain a pointer to that site and a very brief summary of all that, but then I have high-bandwidth Internet access at work and am spoiled. In any event, thanks for organizing this. -- Chuck >From hannah@ai.sri.com Thu Mar 3 10:16:43 1994 I am posting this to ask for opinions on the structure of the FAQ for ca.earthquakes, which is cross-posted to sci.geo.geology. The FAQ has grown to a fairly large size, now consisting of three individual parts, the last of which contains the new sections added this month. I am soliciting opinions as to the idea of splitting the FAQ a little differently into N (currently three) sections, which will contain the current FAQ, and posting the new sections in their own individual post. This would allow readers of the FAQ who are solely interested in the newest chunks to read those sections fairly quickly, and skip the sections they may have already read. I was thinking I would label this "new" section something like [lm mm/dd/yy] Earthquake FAQ New Sections to allow easy identification. Greg Anderson I agree that the current version of the ca.earthquake FAQ is a little cumbersome. There's good info in there, but the FAQ has "just growed", and I suspect that the info in it could be presented in a more usable fashion. Currently, topics are all mixed together, so a newbie might have to wade thru a lot of incomprehensible (to him) technical stuff to find the answer to a common "civilian" question. Topics are in chronological order, so long-time readers have to wade thru a lot of old info to find what (if anything) has been added. I've seen this handled in a couple of different ways on other newsgroups. The FAQs for rec.pets.dogs (and .cats) are maintained by a single individual, who saves interesting information from net discussions and "weaves" it into the text of the FAQ (which reads more like a pamphlet than a compendium of messages). The first section of the dog-FAQ (which is up to something like 10 or 15 files, now) gives an outline of what is in the FAQs, as well as their names and how to access them via FTP or the e-mail request version thereof. Each FAQ subsection is pretty much a self-contained document on a single topic (such as "Your New Dog"), with some references to the other FAQs. Each begins with a statement of when it was updated last, with changes marked by "|"s in the margin. Thus, when the dog-FAQs are posted, I can glance at the beginning of each one and decide whether it has anything new, then use my text editor to search for "|", and read only the new sections. I believe that the FAQs are posted monthly, with a weekly posting that summarizes what they are, where they are, and how to get them. The keeper of the FAQ has an abbreviated version of the instructions in her .sig lines, so every time she posts, folks get a clue about the FAQ. The FAQs for rec.equestrian are rarely posted. What is posted semi-regularly is a FAQ-FAQ, which tells what topics have FAQs, and how to access them. Each of these topics is a file, more like the current ca.earthquakes FAQ, that mainly quotes someone's posting(s), with only minimal cleanup. I'm mainly a consumer of information on ca.earthquakes, from the perspective of a scientist in a different field, with the usual "civilian" experiences with Bay Area quakes over the last 24 (yikes, how time flies!) years. Consequently, I'm not in a good position to tell you how best to subdivide the technical information. However, I think that there should be a shorter, less technical document written just to answer the obvious questions (and calm the emotions) about how quakes happen, aftershock sequences, Richter vs Mercalli (apologies for botched spellings), suggested reading (my personal favorite is Yanev's "Peace of Mind..."), etc. Perhaps the very capable ladies at Caltech have some "canned" verbage they could donate? Certainly, a FAQ on preparedness is in order---things like what to have on hand, things to do in advance to minimize structural damage and injury, etc. Is there a possibility of getting an on-line version of the widely-distributed pamphlet that USGS prepared after Loma Prieta? (I realize it'll lose something in the translation to ASCII.) The technical discussions are interesting, but probably should go in a separate file(s), which will probably be skipped by the scientifically challenged, and those in a panic over an all-too-recent temblor. Well those are my thoughts. Just what you needed---lots of "advice", and no volunteers.... ;-) >From ho@helen.CS.Berkeley.EDU Wed Mar 2 14:55:50 1994 I would suggest splitting the FAQ into different posts, by subject. e.g. Magnitudes, why earthquakes happen, preparedness etc. There does not seem to be too much of the "car kit" or "home kit" lists included. (I've seem them posted by individual readers from time to time --- perhaps we should integrate them.) I would also suggest that each FAQ posting includes some form of Index/table of contents, right at the beginning. Thanks for maintaining the FAQ. >From iva@monty.rand.org Thu Mar 3 09:56:38 1994 I like the idea of "FAQ new sections", perhaps with periodic (every three or six months?) reworking of the basic FAQ. >From simutis@ingres.com Thu Mar 3 08:50:00 1994 Yes, breaking it up seems the right thing to do. Possibly a 'major changes' post, with the info getting grouped with other similar topics; I'm afraid this will mean developing an overall and per-post table of contents... FAQ could also use the Mercalli Scale someone posted, and Richard Stead's explanation of the 'beachball' diagram; I have both of those saved - except I don't have an actual 'beachball' diagram! It's amazing how much work a 'labor of love' turns out to be - thank you for doing the FAQ. From: e_gs18@va.nmh.ac.uk Subject: Re: quake-l mailing list? Sender: news@c1.nkw.ac.uk (Ed Marchewicz) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 18:56:09 GMT In article <1994Mar31.075406.503@amoco.com>, awrobinson@amoco.com (Andrew W. Robinson) writes: > Elsewhere I saw a reference to an email mailing list, quake-l. Can > anyone pass along any information about this mailing list? Is it a > general discussion of earthquakes? How does one subscribe? QUAKE-L was started by folks interested in the social consequences of earthquakes, so is not technically oriented. It carries a mix of first-hand accounts, occasional reposts from SEISM-L, basic enquiries and general chit-chat. In recent months, a few other seismologists (all of them, I think, also s.g.g participants) have been active there, so I feel less alone :-) . The tone has been popular and the volume moderate (maybe 3/4 messages a day). Subscribe by sending the message : SUBSCRIBE QUAKE-L to LISTSERV@VM1.NODAK.EDU In the traditional LISTSERV fashion, subscriber lists, back issues &c; are available from that address. The LISTSERV program will send you details when you subscribe. There are quite a few other list- and mail-servers covering the seismological community. Most are rather specialised, but the following might be of interest to a wider community. Note: *all* are much more technically focussed than s.g.g or QUAKE-L! SEISM-L redistributes data messages from the US National Earthquake Information Service. It's not a discussion list, but new subscribers all too regularly post "What's this stuff mean?" messages instead of looking through the archives :-(. About 3/4 *data* messages a day, so requires serious interest! Subscribe by sending the message : SUBSCRIBE SEISM-L to LISTSERV@BINGVMB.BITNET (or possibly LISTSERV@bingvmb.cc.binghamton.edu) SEISM-L has a parallel discussion list, SEISMD-L, which appears to be moribund. There is also a VOLCANO list from the LISTSERV@ASUACAD.BITNET. This is again fairly technical, and I am under the impression that list membership as well as posts are screened by the moderator. The HAZARDS list can be obtained from the LISTSERV@LISTS.COLORADO.EDU -- this takes the form of an edited newsletter; also, the server appears to have been a bit shaky of late. Russ Evans British Geological Survey, Edinburgh e_gs18@va.nmh.ac.uk From: ted.smith@mtnswest.com (TED SMITH) Subject: Re: quake-l mailing list? Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 22:23:00 GMT In <1994Mar31.075406.503@amoco.com>, awrobinson@amoco.com (Andrew W. Robinson) wrote: A>Elsewhere I saw a reference to an email mailing list, quake-l. Can >anyone pass along any information about this mailing list? Is it a >general discussion of earthquakes? How does one subscribe? The following excerpts are from ftp.nisc.sri.com netinfo/interest-groups [dated 14 June 1993]: QUAKE-L@VM1.NODAK.EDU QUAKE-L@NDSUVM1.BITNET QUAKE-L%NDSUVM1.BITNET@VM1.NODAK.EDU Mailing list for discussion of the ways various national and international computer networks can help in the event of an earthquake, or the help can be enhanced. One of the basic problems discussed might be network reconfigurations which would be temporarily required; others might be in actually putting various groups in electronic contact with each other. Public notebooks for the list will be available from LISTSERV, can be searched with the LISTSERV database facility (send LISTSERV the command info database for details), and are available via anonymous FTP from VM1.NODAK.EDU (134.129.111.1) after entering CD LISTARCH (use DIR QUAKE-L.* to see any notebooks/archives). BitNet or Internet users may subscribe to the list by sending a message or e-mail to LISTSERV@NDSUVM1 or LISTSERV@VM1.NODAK.EDU, respectively. On the first line of the text or body of the message enter the command; SUB QUAKE-L your_full_name where your_full_name is your real name, not your login Id. Coordinator: Marty Hoag SEISM-L%BINGVMA.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Seismological topics of general interest. To subscribe send the following command to LISTSERV@BINGVMB (non-BitNet users send mail to LISTSERV%BINGVMB.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU) SUBSCRIBE SEISM-L your_full_name To unsubscribe, send UNSUBSCRIBE SEISM-L Coordinator: Jim Blake * QMPro 1.52 * Why experiment on animals with so many lawyers out there? From: Joe Dellinger Subject: FAQ I've collected some stuff I found interesting; it's in sepftp.stanford.edu under pub/geology/information I just collected stuff I happened to read that I thought was interesting, or stuff that I thought would be useful and happened to get a chance to get. I've been doing my small part to help out NASA the last couple of weeks; I installed an e-mail daemon to produce SEDS-2 visual pass predictions for those who needed individually tailored info but couldn't calculate it themselves. (Try it out, if you want; send e-mail to seds@montebello.soest.hawaii.edu ) The people who are researching the tether thought this was a good idea but evidently couldn't do it themselves... From: cochrane@netcom.com (Larry Cochrane) Subject: Re: Personal Seismic Network? FAQ? Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 01:40:06 GMT First it's the Public Seismic Network. PSN has 4 bulletin boards around the country, the numbers are: San Jose, Ca 1(408)226-0675 Menlo Park USGS, Ca 1(415)327-1517 Pasadena, Ca 1(818)797-0536 Memphis, Tenn 1(901)360-0302 There is also a gopher site at gopher.ceri.memst.edu Port 70 I also have some of the PSN files in my ftp directory at ftp.netcom.com in /pub/cochrane. >If you are part of the PS network, would a 1 axis seismometer be helpful? Most PSN stations only have one sensor, it would be nice to have three, two horizontal, one pointed north-south and the other west-east, and one vertical sensor. My Lehman (a horizontal seismometer) is pointed north-south since most of the local quakes I receive here in Redwood City (between San Jose and San Francisco) Ca. originate north or south of me. This sensor can also receive quakes from all over the world. I was able to get a 7.3 in Indonesia a few months ago. The plans to build a Lehamn are in file lehmansei.zip on any of the PSN systems and my ftp directory. >How about a Endevco accelerometer (also 1 axis). I think that accelerometers are only good for strong motion detection. To receive magnitude 3's 100km-200km away, or large distant quakes, you need a sensor that is very sensitive to very small ground motions. I don't know if an accelerometer would be sensitive enough. One of the problems is that large quakes can saturate the system very easily. The 6.7 LA quake in January saturated my system and LA is 500km (300m) away. The ideal station would have a set of high sensitivity sensors and a set to strong motion sensors. Maybe someday... >If I can monitor, I would want to digitize the signal(s) from the sensor >to 8 or 10 bits depending on micro controller, is this good enuf? You really need 12 or more bits, 8 or 10 bits will also cause saturation problems. There are plenty of 12 bit A to D cards out there that work with the software on the PSN BBS's that most stations run to collect the data. >What is the typical sampling rate? Anywhere from 30 to 100 samples per second. I run at 36 sps and have a hi-gain low noise 10 Hz low pass amp/filter card between the sensor and my A to D card. I sample at the low end because I save all info to disk. This creates a 4.7Meg file each day. I save everything to disk because I live in a very noisy location, a freeway about 500 yards from me and train tracks about 2/3 of a mile from me. The software on the PSN BBS's only saves data when an event happens and I could not come up with a good trigger point. I ended up writing my own data collecting software to get around this problem. I can then go back and see what I got after I hear about a quake from either Andy Michael (USGS) finger service or his weekly quake report. I then create a PSN compatible quake file from this logged data. My system does have an alarm on it so I do know about larger quakes right away. BTW: I have just released a new version of my Windows PSN quake file viewer called WinQuake, in file winqk15.zip. This new release is in my ftp directory or any of the PSN systems. It is also available on Ted Smith's CDMG ONLINE BBS system at 1(916)327-1208 (thanks Ted). I plan to make a more formal announcement about WinQuake in a few days to ca.earthquakes and sci.geology. Hope this helps. Larry Cochrane San Jose, Ca PSN cochrane@netcom.com From: andy@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Andy Michael USGS Guest) Subject: Re: Earthquake Predications Date: 27 Apr 1994 19:49:50 GMT In article <2pkhcd$47m@search01.news.aol.com> gigi55@aol.com (GIGI 55) writes: >A couple of years ago I heard >something about the ability of seismologists to predict (scientifically of >course) the possibility of an upcoming earthquake. The story, if I'm not >mistaken, said that they (the Official Seismological Institutes here in CA) >would start issuing some kind of warning. Something like the weathermen do. X% >of probability of an earthquake in the next 3 days. I hope this doesn't sound >too off the wall but although I don't remember the exact details, the story >really stuck in my mind. Any comments? The short term probabilities are based on the clustering of earthquakes into foreshock-mainshock-aftershock sequences. One of the primary features of earthquake catalogs is that earthquakes cluster like this. Of course, aftershocks are much more common than foreshocks, and it is hard to tell foreshocks from the more common background (or unclustered) earthquakes. But we have enough historical experience to be able to estimate the odds that a given earthquake is a foreshock which would mean that it would be followed by something larger. I will resist explaining any of the math because this is Lucy Jones' specialty. Such forecasts are also made for the odds of large aftershocks occurring, and these have been discussed here recently. >Also, what does Jack Cole do for a living? Is he/was he a Seismologist? What Jack worked in a electronics store (actually I'm pretty sure it was "The Good Guys" which is a stereo/TV store chain that has branched out into general consumer electronics now. >methods do you use as an investigator to check these predictions out. And how >do you decide what predictions are even worth checking out? His predictions were checked out because they were being reported on in the press and were starting to create public concern. It was the effect of his predictions on the public that got us interested. To investigate the methods I got together a team that consisted of one of our electronics people that has followed electrical methods and earthquake prediction for many years, Tony Fraser-Smith from Stanford who has been involved with ultra-low frequency electromagnetic waves and earthquake prediction, and at Tony's suggestion another radio frequency expert from Stanford. We then visited Jack to look at his equipment, get him to describe his techniques, and attempted (and completely failed) to get a documented list (or actually any list) of past predictions. The makeup of the team was designed to be able to verify if there was any link between what Jack was doing and what Tony Fraser-Smith was doing (such a link had been claimed and did not exist), to be able to analyze the probable source of any signals he could show us (those that he could show us on his signal analyzer were clearly manmade noise, however his predictions were made by listening to noise bursts on AM radios. He, at least then, was unable to record these noise bursts so we couldn't do much with them), and to analyze his record of success and failures (my part of the team, but of course there wasn't a record). I should add that Jack fully cooperated with our visit, although he did grandstand a bit by inviting a TV news crew to show up near the end of it. So, I got stuck doing an interview at his home before we could finish our report. They also filmed footage of us getting into our car complete with close-ups of the US Government plates (oh, the drama of it all :-) ). We then wrote a short report that was then used by the state and the USGS to issue joint statements refuting his prediction. That report had the effect of largely getting people to ignore his predictions (e.g. no schools or large businesses closed and there were no runs on supermarkets for supplies. These things have happenned in other cases and some schools were considering closing before our findings were released). I consider this one of the more direct contributions I have made to society, although I'd rather have had the time to do my own research. Andy From: cochrane@netcom.com (Larry Cochrane) Subject: Re: Is there a description of the format ... Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 03:23:57 GMT In article Pete Carah wrote: >Is there a description of the format or at least file-read source around so >those of us with unix (or clone) workstations can view them too? >(e.g. parse the file into a simple list and use gnuplot, or better...) >I have looked at the PSN (Pasadena) file list and can't see anything >like this at first glance. I got the format for the Public Seismic Network quake data files from the documentation for SDAS the DOS program that most PSN stations use to record quake data. Here is the part of the doc file that explains the format: User's Guide for Seismic Data Acquisition System APPENDIX A - SEISMIC DATA FILE INTERNAL FORMAT The seismic data file is saved in BASIC BSAVE format. The BSAVE statement creates an unencoded, binary file, which is an exact image of memory contents. Seven bytes of control information are written at the beginning of the file, and these bytes are followed by the data bytes copied from memory. The file length shown in the DOS directory entry will be the BSAVE-specified length plus 7, rounded up to a multiple of the BASIC buffer size. The format of the file is as follows: Offset Length Contents 0 1 X'FD' (Constant BSAVE file format identifier) 1 2 BASIC DS segment value at BSAVE execution time 3 2 Offset in the DS segment specified in the BSAVE statement 5 2 Data length specifed in the BSAVE statement 7 * Memory image data The segment value, offset, and length values are all stored in Intel low-high-order format. If a BLOAD statement is executed with an offset term, then that offset value and the BASIC DS segment value in effect at BLOAD execution time will be used to place the loaded data; if a BLOAD statement is executed without an offset term, then the stored segment and offset values will be used. In both cases, the stored length value determines the amount of data loaded. The memory image data portion of the file is described below. These 2-byte integer fields are also stored in Intel low-high-order format. Offsets as listed should be used as shown to index into the array after it has been BLOAD'ed into memory, i.e. ARRAY%(1) contains the year of the start of data collection. This assumes you have not changed the BASIC default array origin of zero. The file format is shown below: OFFSET NAME CONTENTS 0 Format Flag describing format of data. Earlier versions of SDAS saved data in a different format. If this field contains the value 2, then the following format description applies to the file. 1 SYEAR Year of start of data collection 2 SMON Start month of data collection 3 SDAY Day of start of data collection 4 SHOUR Hour of start of data collection 5 SMIN Minute of start of data collection 6 SSEC Second of start of data collection 7 STENTH Tenths of second at start 8 FHOUR Hour of finish of data collection 9 FMIN Minute of finish of data collection 10 FSEC Second of finish of data collection 11 FTENTH Tenths of seconds at finish 12 COUNT Count of valid elements in file including the 100-byte header 13 BASE BASELINE value used for this file 14 MIN Min. sampled value in this file 15 MAX Max. sampled value in this file 16 ORIENTATION CHARACTER N = North-South, E = East-West, Z = Vertical The next 4 values are dependent on the location of the station, and are copied from values supplied in the SDAS.PRO file. 17 LATINT Station latitude N of equator (neg for S) Integer portion only 18 LATDEC Decimal portion of latitude multiplied by 100 and rounded to nearest integer Also negative if South Latitude 19 LONGINT Longitude E of Greenwich (neg. for W) Integer portion only 20 LONGDEC Decimal portion of longitude multiplied by 100 and rounded to nearest integer Also negative if West Longitude 21 NEIC hour of quake origin Set to -1 by this program, modified by the user via the SDASCOM program later after checking with the National Earthquake Information Center or other authority. 22 NEIC minute of quake origin 23 NEIC second of quake origin 24 NEIC tenths of second of origin 25-39 RECLOC Name of recording location (15 chars max) 40-99 COMMENT Description of quake. Added to quake file with the SDASCOM program at a later time. 100-25099 Two-byte-integer digitized seismometer data values. WinQuake was written in C++ so I don't use the first 7 bytes. The program skips the 7 bytes in the file, then reads in the next 200 bytes in to a structure, I get the samples count in COUNT (offset 12), subtract 100, then read in that many samples. Hope this help. If anyone has any questions about this format or WinQuake feel free to e-mail me. I'll also put a copy of the format in file format.psn in my ftp directory. BTW: We could also use a good Mac program. Any Mac programmers out there... From michael@garlock.wr.usgs.gov Thu Apr 28 17:56:16 1994 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 94 18:04:16 PDT From: michael@garlock.wr.usgs.gov (Andy Michael) Message-Id: <9404290104.AA14139@garlock. wr.usgs.gov> To: eugene Subject: Re: Earthquake Predications Jack Coles, who previously worked in a consumer electronics store, has made earthquake predictions for several years. His methods were investigated by the U.S.G.S. in 1991 because one of his predictions had made the press and was starting to create public concern. To investigate his methods, I put together a team that consisted of another geophysicist from the USGS that has a lot of electronics expertise and who has followed electrical methods and earthquake prediction for many years, Tony Fraser-Smith from Stanford who has been involved with ultra-low frequency electromagnetic waves and earthquake prediction, and at Tony's suggestion another radio frequency expert from Stanford. We then visited Jack to look at his equipment, get him to describe his techniques, and attempted (and completely failed) to get a documented list (or actually any list) of past predictions. The makeup of the team was designed to do the following: To verify if there was any link between what Jack was doing and what Tony Fraser-Smith was doing (such a link had been claimed and did not exist). To analyze the probable source of any signals he could show us. Those that he could show us on his signal analyzer were clearly manmade noise, however his predictions were made by listening to noise bursts on AM radios. He, at least then, was unable to record these noise bursts so we couldn't do anything with them. To analyze his record of predictions to see if he was doing better than random chance, but there was no record. After this visit I wrote a short report and our joint efforts led to a press release by the State of California's Office of Emergency Services. The key part of it is, "In the opinion of Dr. Davis [State Geologist], of the State Department of Conservation/Division of Mines and Geology, as well as USGS and Stanford University scientists who have discussed his efforts with him, Mr. Coles' work does not provide systematic evidence that radio signals were precursory to the [aforementioned] earthquakes. In comments to OES, Dr. Davis stated that 'the present status of this work does not warrant its use in public policies by local or state government and would not justify special efforts in preparedness on the dates specified in his forecasts.'" The report and press release had the effect of largely getting people to ignore his predictions. E.g. no schools or large businesses closed and there were no runs on supermarkets for supplies. These things have happenned in other cases and some schools were considering closing before our findings were released. I consider this one of the more direct contributions I have made to society. Article: 8007 of ca.earthquakes Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes From: flowers@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Margot Flowers) Subject: Re: WHY MORNING EARTHQUAKES? After pointing out differences in characteristics between the moon and its quakes, and the earth and earthquake, such as mass differences, differing rock characteristics, Bruce Bolt observes that the deep quakes on the moon: ... commonly occur within an interval of a few days during perigee, ... About equal numbers of deep moonquakes occur at these centers at opposite phases of this tidal pull, so that the most active periods are 14 days apart. These periodic properties at least suggest that the tidal pull of the Earth on the moon triggers the occurrence of the deep seismic-energy releases. [Bolt, _Earthquakes_ 1993, p. 178] >From what I understand, these kinds of patterns have been sought on the earth but not confirmed. Is anyone aware of any successes? Article: 8067 of ca.earthquakes From: kjn@netcom.com (Ken Navarre) Subject: Re: Plate Tectonic FAQ? One of the best books that I have found is EARTHQUAKES AND GEOLOGICAL DISCOVERY by Bruce Bolt, 1993, Scientific American Library, distributed by W.H. Freeman & Co., available thru most bookstores. Bruce bolt is a Professor of Seismology and former Director of the UC Berkely Seismographic Stations. In his book he discusses seismology, the various waves and their propagation, plate tectonics, how and why scientist study earthquakes, and how earthquakes affect buildings. Quite an undertaking in a mere 225 pages! It has some excellent photos and illistrations and is an easy read. Article: 8070 of ca.earthquakes From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough) Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes Subject: Re: Plate Tectonic FAQ? Date: 13 May 1994 18:32:19 GMT In article isis@netcom.com (Mike Cohen) writes: >What are the causes of earthquakes inland away from the plate boundaries & >how big/common are they? Inland ('intraplate') quakes can be caused by a number of different kinds of stress--large scale 'glacial rebound' (the slow flexure of the crust back up after a large sheet of ice is removed), for example, or the broad compressional stress caused within eastern North America by the 'push' forces from the mid-Atlantic spreading center. The New Madrid region is classified as a 'failed rift'--a place where the continental crust started to rift apart, but then stopped. Mary Lou Zoback (USGS, Menlo Park) has shown theoretically how the presence of this rift will translate into the occurence of (infrequent) large earthquakes. The rift extends northward from the New Madrid region, and may imply a seismic hazard for the Wabash Valley region (Illinois/ Indiana)--there is paleoseismic evidence that large prehistoric earthquakes have occurred in this region as well. Overall, the rate of earthquakes in the stable part of the continent is something like 1/10-1/100 of the rate in California; much more infrequent, but still present. Arch Johnston (Memphis State) has tried to classify world wide intraplate earthquakes and argues that all of the very large intraplate events may occur at failed rifts, with some large events at continental margins (the 1888 Charleston earthquake being an example of the latter). Moderate-sized events, magnitude 6 or so, are considered more 'fair game' for other areas, as was illustrated by last year's deadly earthquake in India. I confess to very little direct knowledge of Wyoming's seismotectonics. It is not linked to the New Madrid zone. A map of historic seismicity reveals a spattering of fairly small-moderate size earthquake across the state, more than, say, North Dakota, but still a very low overall level. There has been a concentration of events at the _very_ NW corner of the state, part of a zone that continues southward into Idaho (Snake River areas) and Utah. Probably somebody out there knows more about this zone than I do(?) Sue From: geomagic@seismo.do.usbr.gov (Dan O-Connell) Subject: Re: Richter scale Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 23:18:46 GMT In article <1994May23.161537.10493@neutron.nacamar.de> jui@neutron.nacamar.de (Uwe Harmening) writes: > maybe this is a bit of a silly question, but we had a discussion today about > the Richter scale. How is an earthquake measured, is the Richte scale still > used and if yes, will it be replaced? > Thanx in advance! The Richter scale is no longer used to report most earthquake magnitudes, although the much of the press continues to incorrectly call some magnitudes "Richter magnitudes." The Richter scales was developed in southern California by studying the decay of of maximum seismic amplitudes observed on Wood-Anderson short-period torsional seismographcs with distance. He developed distance (attenuation) corrections so seismic amplitudes could be corrected to zero distance and thereby characterize the "size" of the earthquake. Since the attenuation relations were developed from southern California earthquakes and seismographic stations, the application of the Richter scale elsewhere is suspect unless area specific attenuation curves are developed. Even then, it does say much about the physical size of the earthquake. The moment-magnitude, Mw, is now the most popular magnitude scale. Seismic moment is defined as Mo = udA, where u is average rigidity, d is average fault slip, and A is fault area. Mo is most commonly derived from moment tensor inversions of long-period seismograms from worldwide seismic networks. The Hanks and Kanamori (1979) relation, Mw = 2/3 *log(Mo) - 10.7 is used to calculate the moment magnitude. Through Mo, Mw is directly proportional to the actual "size" of the earthquake. The methods used to derive Mo essentially correct for the radiation pattern and attenuation effects. The Richter magnitude scale begins to "saturate" between 6.5 and 7.0. (it does not increase with increasing earthquake size above these magnitudes due to the frequency band it samples). Hanks and Kanamori (1979) developed Mw so it corresponded as well as possible to various existing magnitude scale (within the appropriate frequency bandwidths of the various magnitude scales). Let's use the 1992 Landers earthquake for an example. The fault length was ~80 km, fault width about ~10 km, average slip about 4.5m, and average rigidity about 3E11 dyne/cm^2. You could infer these parameters from field observations, aftershock seismicity, geodetic deformation measurements, long-period moment tensor inversions, etc. The moment, Mo, is 1.08e27 dyne-cm and Mw = 7.3. This scratches the surface, but hopefully, it helps. Dan O'Connell geomagic@seismo.do.usbr.gov Seismotectonics Group, U.S. Bureau of Reclamation Denver Federal Center, P.O. Box 25007 D-3611, Denver, CO 80225 "We do custom earthquakes (for food)" or "Just more roadkill on the information superhighway" /\ / \ / \ /\ /\ /\ / \ / \ / \ /\ /\/\ /\/\ ___/ \ /\/\/\/ \ / \ /\ / \ / \/ \/ \ /\_______ \/ \ / \ / \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ -- Dan O'Connell geomagic@seismo.do.usbr.gov Seismotectonics Group, U.S. Bureau of Reclamation From: geomagic@seismo.do.usbr.gov (Dan O-Connell) Subject: Re: Richter scale In article <2rrd4j$gcp@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> buri@probe2.phys.ualberta.ca (Michael Burianyk) writes: In article geomagic@seismo.do.usbr.gov (Dan O-Connell) writes: > The moment-magnitude, Mw, is now the most popular magnitude scale. Seismic > moment is defined as > > Mo = udA, ...... > > Mw = 2/3 *log(Mo) - 10.7 > > is used to calculate the moment magnitude. > Next question ... what is the relationship between moment-magnitude, > or seismic moment, and the energy released during an earthquake? The radiated seismic energy could be calculated by integrating the square of the absolute value of the slip velocity radiated by all portions of the fault or /+x /max(z) | | |v(x,z)|^2 dz dx (1) /-x /min(z) where v(x,z) is the slip velocity on the fault. Using the Parseval-Rayleigh theorem, (1) can be calculated from the integral of the velocity spectra of broadband seismic recording (if propagation, attenuation, and radiation effects can be estimated and removed). To first order, slip velocity is proportional to stress drop. So you could have two earthquakes on the same size fault that release different amounts of energy if the stress drops are significantly different (assuming equivalent slip durations). The problem with (1) is that slip velocity on the fault is one of the "mysteries of the universe" parameters that has not been directly measured. Fault slips are inferred from inversions of geodetic and/or seismic recordings, but there are lots of different slip velocity-slip duration-stress drop combinations that can produce the same slip distribution on a fault. So to provide an "easy" answer to the question, you can using the empirically derived Gutenberg-Richter energy-surface wave magnitude relation log E = 11.8 + 1.5*M (2) 10 S S where M is surface wave magnitude and each unit increase in M corresponds S S to a 32-fold increase in energy. Substituting Mw for M gives a quick S and dirty estimate in ergs. or (From: shirriff@cs.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff)) Markus Bath's log E = 12.24 + 1.44 M (3) where M is the magnitude > 5. This is an empirical equation, derived by integrating over the whole wave train in time and space. From this equation, each increase of 1 in magnitude increases the energy released by a factor of 27.5. Both (2) and (3) represent attempts to approximate the integral (1) by accounting for the loss of amplitude with distance of propagation of various seismic phases (surface waves for (2) and ensembles of all wavetypes for (3)). Anyway, seismic energy increases proportionately with moment, as each represents integrals over the fault. For seismic moment, its the integral of slip over the fault. For energy, its the integral of squared slip velocity over the fault. You can infer slip distribution from various data sets. Slip velocity is a transient that is difficult to measure, but it is an extremely important factor in determining the behavior (time and space distributions) of strong motions (accelerations). Dan O'Connell geomagic@seismo.do.usbr.gov Seismotectonics Group, U.S. Bureau of Reclamation Denver Federal Center, P.O. Box 25007 D-3611, Denver, CO 80225 "We do custom earthquakes (for food)" or "Just more roadkill on the information superhighway" /\ / \ / \ /\ /\ /\ / \ / \ / \ /\ /\/\ /\/\ ___/ \ /\/\/\/ \ / \ /\ / \ / \/ \/ \ /\_______ \/ \ / \ / \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ -- Dan O'Connell geomagic@seismo.do.usbr.gov Seismotectonics Group, U.S. Bureau of Reclamation From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) Subject: Re: World-wide earthquake frequencies? >From Bolt "Earthquakes" Appendix A: M(s) #> 8 2 7 20 6 100 5 3000 4 15000 3 100000 Seismicity size-rates tend to follow power laws, with each increase in magnitude N times more common. N varies from region to region, and in southern CA, from decade to decade.. (The numbers above 7 look too high and the jump from 5 to 6 high too. Are Bolt's numbers correct?) From: John Gunn Subject: Re: World-wide earthquake frequencies? Date: Sat, 11 Jun 94 17:13:21 -0500 Telnet neis.cr.usgs.gov and login as qed. This BBS is run by the USGS and has many interesting facts about earthquakes worldwide in the last century. From: emeth@beretta.ramp.com (David F Jones) Subject: Re: Northern California quake info? World Wide = finger quake@gldfs.cr.usgs.gov Hawaii Volcano Obs = finger quake@tako.wr.usgs.gov IRIS Teleseisms = spyder@dmc.iris.washingtion.edu ( non-finger ) finger quake@gldfs.cr.usgs.gov (Worldwide Earthquakes) finger quake@andreas.wr.usgs.gov (Northern California) finger quake@scec.gps.caltech.edu (Southern California) finger quake@fm.gi.alaska.edu (Alaska) finger quake@slueas.slu.edu (Central U.S.) finger quake@seismo.unr.edu (Nevada) finger quake@eqinfo.seis.utah.edu (Utah and Yellowstone) finger quake@geophys.washington.edu (Washington & Oregon) file://garlock.wr.usgs.gov/pub/earthquake.html is one place to start Photo URLs: http://nisee.ce.berkeley.edu/eqiis.html http://geology.usgs.gov/program/earthquake/gallery/index.html From: kjn@netcom.com (Ken Navarre) Subject: Re: Scientific America home seismograph The article was published in Scientific American, 1979, v. 241, No.1, pg 152-161. It described the construction of a horizontal seismic sensor and preamp circuit designed by James D. Lehman. At the time, Mr. Lehman was with the Physics Dept., James Madision University, Harrisonburg, Va., 22807. Another source of information that describes modification to the Lehman sensor was published in the: Journal of Geological Education, 1987, v.35, pg. 124 by Richard Lawrence Koll Dept. of Geology and Meteorology Kean College of New Jersey Union, NJ, 07083 The modifications include the use of common pipe fittings to construct the frame and support for the sensor. Construction is simple and straightforward. The amplifier, however, was prone to significant noise and oscillation. Newer circuits and components are available that eliminate this problem. ===== Web (WWW) Pages: http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/home.html Article 11338 of ca.earthquakes: From: andy@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Andy Michael USGS Guest) Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes Subject: Re: usgs bbs number? Date: 4 Jan 1995 01:55:36 GMT The bbs in Menlo Park is (415)327-1517 and from within the Bay Area 1-800-328-1517. A list of available services is can be gotten by sending email to help@quake.wr.usgs.gov as long as your return path is set correctly. Article 246 of sci.geo.earthquakes: From: gibson@polycarp.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Rick Gibson) Newsgroups: sci.geo.earthquakes Subject: Re: Who was the first seismologist? Date: 9 Jan 1995 22:17:43 GMT Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology In article , rmwm@va.nmh.ac.uk (Roger Musson) writes: |> Who was the first seismologist? |> |> Of course, it rather depends on your definition of seismologist. Perhaps the |> question should be who was the first person to be referred to as a |> seismologist? First use of the word "seismometer" I can date precisely, but |> "seismologist" I can't. |> |> Any views, opinions? |> |> Roger Musson |> British Geological Survey |> e_rmwm@va.nmh.ac.uk For one perspective, the online Oxford English DIctionary gives the following as its early references to the word: 1858 Mallet in Rep. Brit. Assoc. i. 1 The few physicists who are engaged in Seismology. 1879 Rutley Stud. Rocks iii. 9 The branches of physical geology known as Vulcanicity and Seismology. For the word seismometer, they cite the following as the earliest reference: 1841 J. D. Forbes in Edin. Phil. Trans. XV. i. 220 The self-registering part of the apparatus, which Mr. David Milne has termed a Seismometer. How do these correspond with your results? Rick Gibson MIT gibson@erl.mit.edu From: andy@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Andy Michael USGS Guest) Subject: Re: Who was the first seismologist? Date: 10 Jan 1995 01:55:44 GMT In article <3escm7$sc0@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> gibson@polycarp.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Rick Gibson) writes: >In article , rmwm@va.nmh.ac.uk (Roger Musson) writes: >|> Who was the first seismologist? >|> >|> Of course, it rather depends on your definition of seismologist. Perhaps the >|> question should be who was the first person to be referred to as a >|> seismologist? First use of the word "seismometer" I can date precisely, but >|> "seismologist" I can't. > >For one perspective, the online Oxford English DIctionary gives the following as its >early references to the word: > > 1858 Mallet in Rep. Brit. Assoc. i. 1 The few physicists who are engaged in > Seismology. .... To proceed down this route for a bit... That's for seismology, for seismologist the OED gives the very similar: 1859: R. Mallet in Rep. Brit. Assoc. 1858 133 "The subject appears to me worthy of more examination at the hands of Vulcanologists and Seismologists." (Apparently this issue came out late.) Richter, in his textbook, cites a few studies earlier than Mallet's work on the 1857 Naples event although that one gets a lot of credit because of its very systematic nature and the attempt to use physics to learn something about the event. It is also the first one in Richter's list with a clear author. In any case it seems clear that the words seismology and seismologist are both credited to Mallet. He is also a good candidate to have been called a seismologist first. The problem with an OED search is that it looks at the usage of the word not how it could have been applied in retrospect. Probably all civilizations made studies of earthquakes and their effects, but the Chinese seismoscopes were in use at least as early as 132 A.D. Richter credits these to Chang Heng, so perhaps he is the first recorded seismologist. At least he lived long before Mallet and invented a device we now call a seismoscope and therefore is arguably a seismologist. As noted above, it also depends on how broadly you want to apply the term seismologist. The original usage was for the study of earthquakes and their causes and effects. Now, we tend to apply it more to those who use waveforms to study either the earth structure or earthquakes. The people who study effects without waveforms are often earthquake geologists or earthquake engineers. For the more limited modern definition it might go to Gray, Milne, and Ewing for developing the first good seismographs (motion versus time). For the broader definition you can probably go back as far as the written record allows, although I would restrict the search to those that display some of what we would currently call scientific method to their studies. That may allow you to skip Chang Heng depending on how he interpreted the results of his device. It also may allow you to skip whoever wrote the Old Testament. However, Amos Nur has argued that some of the descriptions from the Old Testament fit the actual motion on faults in that area. So, do you depend on good observations or good interpretation. Yes, I am having fun clouding the issue. That said, Mallet does deserve a lot of credit. If you can ever get your hands on a copy of his 1862 book "Great Neapolitan Earthquake of 1857" its worth a look. I sometimes wonder just how much I would be willing to pay for a copy. Anyone got one they want to sell? Andy Article 217 of sci.geo.earthquakes: Newsgroups: sci.geo.earthquakes From: zjad49@trc.amoco.com (Joe Dellinger) Subject: Re: Increasing Frequency and Magnitude Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research Here is an article on the subject of increasing quake death rates that's worth dusting off again: ftp://sepftp.stanford.edu/pub/geology/information/from_ca.earthquakes/quake_death_rates ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alanf@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Alan M Feuerbacher) Subject: Re: Natural Disasters in the 20th Century Date: 6 Nov 93 01:42:07 GMT Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. In article <2b8fn6$qgg@seismo.CSS.GOV> stead@seismo.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead) writes: >In article <12269@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> alanf@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Alan M Feuerbacher) writes: >>A religious article entitled "Natural Disasters -- A Sign >>of the Times?" said the following: >> _New Scientist_ warns that "the world can expect more >> disasters in the 1990s than in past decades.".... > >Without question, there is no evidence that the rate or intensity of natural >processes has changed at all, not this century, not this millenium, not >in millions of years. All the evidence available points to a very constant >rate for these things..... >Quakes are more likely to have been >constant with time, though it is difficult to measure. There is a >possibility that there have been times of increased tectonic activity >in the past - probably causing more quakes. There is no evidence however >for any time having less seismicity than we do now. > >I sure hope you are asking these questions because you really want to know >the answers. Too often, we get fruitcakes who are trying to push some >bizarre theory or religious doctrine and trying to get things out of the >data that aren't there. They come here with their minds made up and think they >are going to educate the dumb, stubborn scientists. They refuse to listen >to reason or accept the evidence. A lot of people here will react >negatively if they get the impression that someone is doing this, and I >wouldn't really blame them. You hope right! I do not agree with the writer of the article I quoted. I was hoping to get a number of answers like yours, which will help me show certain people that their confidence in sources like this is quite misplaced. To all who responded, many thanks! I've done a bit of my own research on earthquake frequency and casualty rates. Below is presented some data I found through a variety of sources. What do you professionals think? ___________________________________________________________________________ A Comparison of Earthquake Victims 1715-1783: 1915-1983: Year Location Deaths Year Location Deaths 1715 Algeria 20,000 1915 Italy 29,970 1717 Algeria 20,000 1920 China 180,000 1718 China 43,000 1923 Japan 143,000 1719 Asia Minor 1,000 1927 China 200,000 1721 Iran 100,000 1932 China 70,000 1724 Peru (tsunami) 18,000 1933 USA 115 1725 Peru 1,500 1935 India (Pakistan) 60,000 1725 China 556 1939 Chile 30,000 1726 Italy 6,000 1939 Turkey 23,000 1727 Iran 77,000 1946 Turkey 1,300 1730 Italy 200 1946 Japan 2,000 1730 China 100,000 1948 Japan 5,131 1730 Japan 137,000 1949 Ecuador 6,000 1731 China 100,000 1950 India 1,500 1732 Italy 1,940 1953 Turkey 1,200 1736 China 260 1953 Greece 424 1737 India 300,000 1954 Algeria 1,657 1739 China 50,000 1956 Afghanistan 2,000 1746 Peru 4,800 1957 Iran (Northern) 2,500 1749 Spain 5,000 1957 Iran (Western) 2,000 1750 Greece 2,000 1960 Chile 5,700 1751 Japan 2,000 1960 Morocco 12,000 1751 China 900 1962 Iran 10,000 1752 Syria 20,000 1963 Yugoslavia 1,100 1754 Egypt 40,000 1964 Alaska 131 1755 China 270 1966 Turkey 2,529 1755 Iran 1,200 1968 Iran 11,588 1755 Portugal 60,000 1970 Turkey 1,086 1755 Morocco 12,000 1970 Peru 66,794 1757 Italy 10,000 1971 USA 65 1759 Syria 30,000 1972 Iran 5,057 1763 China 1,000 1972 Nicaragua 6,000 1765 China 1,189 1973 Mexico (Western) 52 1766 Japan 1,335 1973 Mexico (Central) 700 1771 Japan (tsunami) 11,700 1974 Pakistan 5,200 1773 Guatemala 20,000 1975 China 200 1774 Newfoundland 300 1975 Turkey 2,312 1778 Iran (Kashan) 8,000 1976 Guatemala 23,000 1780 Iran (Tabriz) 100,000 1976 Italy 900 1780 Iran (Khurasan) 3,000 1976 Bali 600 1783 Italy (Calabria) 60,000 1976 China 242,000 1783 Italy (Palmi) 1,504 1976 Philipines 3,373 1783 Italy (Monteleone) 1,191 1976 Turkey 3,790 1977-1983 addition: 44,623 _________ _________ Total 1715-1783: 1,373,845 Total 1915-1983: 1,210,597 Annual average: 19,911 Annual average: 17,545 ___________________________________________________________________________ Alan Feuerbacher alanf@atlas.pen.tek.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- /\ /\ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\.-.-.-.-.......___________ / \ / \ /Amoco Production Research Tulsa Oklahoma\/\/\.-.-....__ ___/ \/ \/Joe A. Dellinger Internet: joe@sep.stanford.edu \/\.-.__ -------------- Uh oh, Toto, I think we're back in Kansas! ---------------------- From: jgk@netcom.com (Joe Keane) Subject: Human Involvement Summary: We need reasonable precautions. Keywords: acceleration Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 09:38:46 GMT This is from _Geology of California_ by Norris and Webb: In an unstable region with large population and continued growth, maximum safety precautions to offset earthquake hazards are extremely important. In California, about 75 percent of the population resides in the areas of greatest instability. It is difficult to implement earthquake precautions, however. They are expensive, and because earthquakes may never affect the majority, appropriate precautions are often ignored. Building for earthquake resistance may increase costs by 10 percent or more. In the past, incorporating earthquake safety into structures was hampered because geologic science could not provide adequate data for structural engineers, architects, and construction firms. Today better information is available. An interesting example of this problem relates to the development and deployment of strong-motion seismographs. For many years, seismologists had been most interested in developing extremely sensitive instruments that would allow scientists working at places like Berkeley or Pasadena to record and analyze in detail the nature of distant earthquakes. Nearby strong shocks were expected either to disable or deactivate these sensitive instruments. Structural engineers, on the other hand, were much less concerned with the nature of a quake in Kamchatka, for example, and instead wanted to know what forces local earthquakes imposed on buildings and other structures. Beginning about 1965, strong-motion instruments were perfected and placed in buildings, on dams, bridges, and other structures. These began to yield data that surprised nearly everyone. During the moderately strong 1971 San Fernando earthquake (magnitude 6.4), accelerations equal to or slightly greater than gravity were measured. This meant that objects not tied down tended to float when the acceleration exceeded gravity, just as they do in spacecraft; rocks tossed in the air often landed upside down, for example. These high accelerations forced considerable review of the adequacy of existing construction standards and design. Such large accelerations were thought to have been extremely rare, but it is now clear that they are not. Establishing safety standards assumes willingness to recognize earthquake hazards, expenditures of large sums of money required, and counteracting the apathy that arises from the ``it can't happen to me'' philosophy. This last obstacle might be overcome quickly if many continuing, sufficiently strong but not disastrous earthquakes were to occur. Instead, infrequent, localized, but unfortunately sometimes severe tremors affect comparatively few people at a time. For example, the 1987 Whittier Narrows earthquake (magnitude 5.9, $400 million damage) was termed a ``wake-up call'' to the Los Angeles metropolitan area which, at present, is bracing for ``the big one.'' *Engineering* It is now feasible to construct modern earthquake-resistant (not earthquake-proof) buildings. Since the locally disastrous 1933 Long Beach earthquake (magnitude 6.3), the Field Act has required that all California public school buildings be earthquake resistant. Moreover, the uniform building codes adopted in the 1950s have applied the Field Act standards to virtually all buildings. Yet damage sustained in the 1971 San Fernando quake showed that even these standards were not completely adequate. Nonetheless, dams, waterworks, highways, and utility structures may all be built with reasonable safety provided certain precautions are followed and provided that they are not built directly on faults or on unstable ground subject to liquefaction or sliding. Public lack of awareness and failure to demand reasonable precautions are the main impediments to earthquake safety, although some hazards will always remain. In the 1971 San Fernando earthquake, damage to newly constructed (built with reasonable safeguards) was quite extensive. The quake's surprisingly large forces led some geologists to assert, however, that the San Fernando case can reasonably be expected to occur every 5,000 years. Most seismologists are now much less sure that these high accelerations are rare, and on the basis of what is known about the setting and history of the San Fernando fault system it is now estimated that the recurrence interval is between 100 and 300 years. Should huge expenditures be allocated to safeguard structures, roads, and bridges that have an estimated life of 50 years or so? Reasonable precautions are required, but some degree of risk must be accepted when people choose to live in an unstable, earthquake-prone region. *Psychological Factors* The psychological discord experienced when an earthquake strikes can be severe for a few people. There is often a tendency to accept rumors about earthquakes without regard for the facts. The psychological consequences of other destructive natural phenomena such as tornados, hurricanes, and floods are also extremely traumatic, but they do not seem to be accompanied by false rumors to the same degree as earthquakes. Perhaps other natural disaster-producing phenomena are less damaging to the psyche because they can be seen--people see them arrive and see them leave--something rarely possible with earthquakes. Storms, floods, landslides, windstorms, and fires take far larger tolls of life and property in the United States than do earthquakes. Furthermore, safeguards against earthquakes are no more costly than those required to prevent damage from other natural phenomena. Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 10:30:49 MST From: "Craig Jones" Subject: magnitudes Hi!--the following note sent to me from Greg Anderson will explain the rest of this message... Craig -- As one of the others who finally wore out to the point of no longer posting *anything* to either sci.geo.geology or sci.geo.earthquakes (not to mention ca.earthquakes), I want to say that your post did a very great job of explaining things. I seriously think you should consider posting it (or auto-posting it) every couple weeks, or perhaps months. You might well also want to send a copy to Eugene Miya at NASA Ames, as he took over from me (after I took over from him) the duties of posting the ca.earthquakes FAQ... In short, your post was great, and I can now rest with a clear conscience ( ;-) ) Greg Anderson anderson@mahi.ucsd.edu PS Eugene Miya's e-mail address is eugene@wilber.nas.nasa.gov ---- Anyway, though I doubt there is anything really all that special about the post he referred to, I am including a copy here for your perusal. Craig Jones, cjones@mantle.colorado.edu Research Associate, CIRES, Univ. of Colorado --------- In Article <3g1ggfINNpt0@titan.oit.umass.edu>, cyndal@titan.oit.umass.edu (Cyndal) wrote: > Hi all, > > I happened to see a post last week where the sender was a bit >out of sorts (a polite term) because the media was taking the >magnitude of the Kobe quake and confusing it with a Richter scale >measurement. I've seen 3(and maybe there are 1-2 more) different ways >recently that the Kobe quake was measured: Magnitude, x.y Richter, and one >other one. > For those of us who aren't seismologists/geologists/etc, could someone >explain(in layman's terms) what the differences are? I've puttered around >a few places that list daily/weekly quakes and have seen things like >"Mag 4.5" and always assumed it was 4.5 on the Richter scale. Now I see >that this is probably a very wrong assumption. So, please, what ARE >the differences, and why are quakes given different measurements? > Thanks! > Michele > This qualifies as the most often asked question on this newsgroup and sci.geo.geology; there should be a permanent post on what magnitudes mean, how they are defined, etc. The reason this question usually goes unanswered in these newsgroups is that all of us who have answered it a few times are just getting worn out. So let's go ahead and see what's there.... First, there are two fundamental ways of describing the "size" of an earthquake that often make it to newspapers and the public: magnitude and intensity. We'll cover magnitude in a minute, but it is equivalent to the wattage on a light bulb--it to some degree should be proportional to the total energy output of the earthquake regardless of where the earthquake is. Intensity is how strongly the earthquake is felt at a particular spot, which depends on distance from the earthquake, local geology, the presence of observers (often), etc. It is equivalent to how bright the light from a bulb is at different places in a room. Intensity in the U.S. is generally reported as Modified Mercalli Intensity and is usually assigned a roman numeral (in part to distinguish it from magnitude, in part tradition, and in part because these observations are no more precise than an integral value); when reported in the media, usually the peak value is reported. This occasionally is confused with magnitude. In some countries other intensity scales are used (and I seem to recall that Japan is one of those countries). OK, so now magnitude. The fundamental to all magnitude measures is that for a 1 point increase in any magnitude for fixed location of earthquake and seismometer, the amount of ground motion measured for that magnitude scale will increase by a factor of 10. It happens that this works out to mean that an increase of 1 in magnitude will also represent an increase in the total energy of an earthquake of a factor of about 28. To calculate the magnitude, corrections are made for the distance from the epicenter, depth of the earthquake, model of seismometer, and Earth structure; thus the magnitude of an earthquake should be identical regardless of where it is measured if using a common scale (discussed below). In reality, the corrections for Earth structure are complex and are affected as well by the radiation pattern of seismic waves from an earthquake. As a result, individual measurements on an earthquake will vary quite a bit. Most of the regional seismic networks in the U.S. will average readings from several stations to make their magnitude estimate. Again, because of some difficulties in correction and the way seismic energy might radiate from an earthquake somewhat differently to two different networks, the estimates of magnitude might vary by a few fractions of a magnitude. Although this occasionally seems like incompetence, it just reflects the uncertainty of the whole proceedure. If you return to the light bulb analogy, if two observers tried to estimate the wattage of the light bulb at two spots, they would in fact measure the intensity and then try and correct for the distance to the bulb. But if observer A had, say, a moth between her and the bulb, her wattage (magnitude) might be a little low, and observer B lacked the moth but caught a reflection from a window as well, his estimate might be a little too high. Why different magnitudes? It boils down to the way the Earth transmits seismic energy. First, there are body waves and surface waves. Surface waves only travel (create motion) within the upper few kilometers to a few hundred km of the Earth; body waves can travel within the entire Earth. An analogy in water are ocean waves and sound. Scuba divers are probably familiar with the rapid decrease of motion from ocean swells (waves) with depth--a ship can bob about a lot at the surface while a diver 100 feet down might not move much at all. That is a surface wave. Sound, however, travels equally well throughout the ocean, as SONAR demonstrates (we'll omit all the peculiarities of SOFAR channels and the like, thank you very much ex-submariners)--it is a body wave. Second, the Earth has different flavors of seismic waves. For instance, body waves come in P and S waves. P waves are compressional waves and S waves are shear waves; P waves travel faster than S waves. If you want to see P and S waves, get a Slinky, lay it on a nice, slick table, stretch it out some, and then push and pull one end towards the other end quickly--you will see a wave travel down the Slinky of coils close together and further apart than the Slinky at rest--this is a P wave. Now rapidly move one end of the Slinky at right angles to the length of the Slinky--you'll see a wave move down where the Slinky slides over to one side and then back again. This is an S wave (more or less). Surface waves also have different flavors, but for the most part this isn't exploited in magnitude determinations. OK, so what magnitude scales exist? There are more than I will go over, but these are the most common: duration magnitude (Md), local (Richter) magnitude (ML), body wave magnitude (Mb), surfave wave magnitude (Ms), moment magnitude (Mw). The reason for using the different scales is that each type of seismic wave is easily observed only over certain magnitude or distance ranges. Duration magnitude is used for small earthquakes or in areas with generally poorly calibrated seismometers. It relies on the observation that the time it takes for the motion from an earthquake to fall into the background noise is proportional to other, more physically defensible measures of magnitude. Local (Richter) magnitudes are measured for most earthquakes up to somewhere around M 7; beyond that the measurement fails to increase with earthquake size. This is basically Richter's technique--you measure the maximum amplitude of ground motion (often restricted to a certain part of the seismogram but not always), take that and the distance from the earthquake and you can get the Richter magnitude. While the original definition was based on a specific instrument at a specific distance, corrections for distance and other seismometers have been worked out over the years. Large earthquakes generally swamp the instruments used to make these measurements and the Earth does an increasingly inefficient job of transmitting these particular waves for very large events. Body wave magnitude is a very similar measure to local magnitude except it can be applied to the body waves from distant earthquakes and it has quite a number of corrections for which body wave (P or S, for instance), the Earth's structure, and the period of the wave being examined. It is proportional to the log of the amplitude of ground motion divided by the period of the wave being measured (A/T). Surface wave magnitudes also use the log of the amplitude divided by period, but surface waves are only generated by relatively shallow earthquakes. Again corrections exist for distance, depth, and seismometer type. Surface waves tend to saturate in the M 8+ range. Moment magnitude has confused many people because it isn't really a direct magnitude measure (log of an amplitude of a seismic wave) as are the others. Instead it is derived from seismic moment, which is simply the product of the shear modulus (a property of the rock), the fault area, and the slip on the fault. Seismic moment is usually derived from fits made to entire seismograms or large parts of seismograms using certain physical models; this has been automated for several years by a group at Harvard and has been applied in near-real time by several other groups including the USGS. Unlike other magnitude estimates, you can also derive an estimate of seismic moment from geodetic observations (how far points have moved on the surface of the Earth due to an earthquake) or from geologic observations because you only need fault area and displacement and some estimate of shear modulus. In practice you will not see such estimates in the public media because they take time to measure and are not necessarily measuring the same exact phenomena (for instance, if sizable slip occurs without generating seismic energy, a geodetic or geologic moment will exceed a seismic moment). The measure "moment magnitude" is somewhat like the duration magnitude in that it has been made to correlate with the other scales, though there are good physical arguments for this relation. In practice, moment magnitudes are the best measure because they can include all the observations that go into the other magnitudes plus the duration of the arrivals plus additional very-long period oscillations of the Earth. In general these magnitudes have all adjusted been to agree where they overlap (the worst case is usually Mb and Ms, which often disagree a fair bit--mostly due to the way surface waves are generated). Because of this, you could say that the ground motion would be 100,000 times greater in a magnitude 7 than a magnitude 2 earthquake at a given spot despite the different measures probably used (though the reality is that the ground motion would have probably saturated). A statement less affected by the way the Earth transmits energy would be that a magnitude 7 earthquake generates about 16,000,000 times more energy that a magnitude 2. Hopefully this goes some distance in explaining magnitudes. Craig Jones CIRES, University of Colorado, Boulder cjones@mantle.colorado.edu From: ted.smith@cdmg.uucp.netcom.com (Ted Smith) Subject: [lm 5/1/95] Frequently as Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 23:53:00 GMT Organization: California Division of Mines and Geology TO: eugene@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) >Archive-name: ca-earthquakes, Part III 1. 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The earthquake resources are a subset of the Geology section of ORES. -- Ted Smith ================================================================ California | Ted Smith Division | ------------------------------------------------- of Mines & | Sysop, CDMG ONLINE (BBS modem line: 916-327-1208) Geology | GeoInfo * MLPnet * SurveyNet * & Selected USENET --- * QMPro 1.52 * Make a joyful noise (but deny it when smelled by others)! A frequently asked question is "What is the seismic risk of living in my state?" Bruce Bolt's 1993 book "Earthquakes" has a USA map (figure 12.2) made by the Applied Technology Council in 1977. The map is contoured in peak acceleration levels of fractions of gravity for a 50 year period. A value of 0.10 gravities can start causing damage. I compiled a list by state of the maximum level in that state and location in that state. Some interpretative comments follow the list. STATE ACCEL LOCATION Alabama 0.05 N Arizona 0.20 W & E Arkansas 0.20 W & NE California 0.40 much of the state Colorado 0.10 S & central Connecticut 0.10 all over Florida 0.00 Georgia 0.10 N Idaho 0.40 E Illinois 0.10 S Indiana 0.10 SW Iowa 0.10 SW Kansas 0.10 E Kentucky 0.20 SW & SE Louisiana 0.00 Maine 0.10 much of the state Maryland 0.00 Massachusetts 0.10 all over Michigan 0.05 SW Minnesota 0.00 Mississippi 0.20 NW Missouri 0.20 SE Montana 0.40 S & W Nebraska 0.10 NW & SE Nevada 0.40 much of the state New Hampshire 0.10 all over New Jersey 0.10 N New Mexico 0.10 central New York 0.10 N & E North Carolina 0.10 W & S North Dakota 0.00 Ohio 0.05 N Oklahoma 0.10 E Oregon 0.05 N (recent numbers are higher) Pennsylvania 0.10 E Rhode Island 0.10 all over South Carolina 0.10 all over South Dakota 0.05 SW Tennesee 0.20 W & E Texas 0.05 W & NE Utah 0.20 much of the state Vermont 0.10 all over Virgina 0.10 W Washington 0.20 N West Virgina 0.10 S Wisconson 0.00 Wyoming 0.40 NW Comments: - The map was made in 1977. Some places are better studied now. For example, western Oregon is now known to experience large quakes. - The map appears to be based on historical large quakes. Appendix B of Bolt's book lists these quakes. - 42 of the 48 states have some risk. - Landers (1992) and Northridge (1994) had accelerations up to 1.0+ gravities in the hardest hit areas.