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Dennis Gentry wrote:
> 
> In article
> ,
> timberwoof@the*mall.net (timberwoof) wrote:
> 
> >In article ,
> >gentryd@pipeline.com (Dennis Gentry) wrote:
> >
> >> In article , jewett@netcom.com (Bob Jewett)
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> >Which he seems to be doing without any understanding of the physical
> >> >processes that Tim has included in his theory.  Neither of them
> >> >is any Wegener.
> >>
> >> I know I'm getting to sound like a broken record, but you guys seem
> >> to keep conveniently forgetting that back in Wegener's day the same
> >> thing was thought of him.
> >
> >They also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
> 
> And they stopped laughing at Wegener.
But they will continue laughing a the "Dew Point Theory" and the "Moon
is Cheese" theory until the end of time, especially if the proponent of
said theory does not put forth any kind effort to carefully document his
it to those which he wishes to convince.
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Dennis Gentry wrote:
> Your choice.  But if a person doesn't look at things from all angles,
> progress will continue its grudgingly slow pace.
> 
> Dennis
Some angles are not worth looking at and if these are pursued, science
would really slow down.  Science tends to be clipping along at an
especially fast pace compared to even 20 years ago.
Paul Oberlander
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Dennis Gentry wrote:
> 
> In article
> ,
> timberwoof@the*mall.net (timberwoof) wrote:
> 
> >In article ,
> >gentryd@pipeline.com (Dennis Gentry) wrote:
> >
> >> In article , jewett@netcom.com (Bob Jewett)
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> >Which he seems to be doing without any understanding of the physical
> >> >processes that Tim has included in his theory.  Neither of them
> >> >is any Wegener.
> >>
> >> I know I'm getting to sound like a broken record, but you guys seem
> >> to keep conveniently forgetting that back in Wegener's day the same
> >> thing was thought of him.
> >
> >They also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
> 
> And they stopped laughing at Wegener.
But they still laugh at a hundred other "semi-scientists" who put forth
countless other theories like the "Dew Point Theory" and the "Moon is
Cheese Theory." and will continue to do so, especially if the proponent
of said theory does not put forth any kind effort to carefully document
it to those which he wishes to convince.
Paul
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In article ,
gentryd@pipeline.com (Dennis Gentry) writes:
>>They also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
>
>And they stopped laughing at Wegener.
>
>
Well, we're still laughing at you and Tim.
Michael Williams
Arroyo Grande, California, USA                       T/$ = 1

In article ,
gentryd@pipeline.com (Dennis Gentry) writes:
>Your choice.  But if a person doesn't look at things from all angles,
>progress will continue its grudgingly slow pace.
If people don't use a little discrimination in their thinking progress
will reverse. Tim's theory is complete hooey, every little piece of it.
You display a complete lack of analytical thought, and an abundance of
credulity in defending it as well as insisting that scientists not dismiss
it.
Michael Williams
Arroyo Grande, California, USA                       T/$ = 1

Quotes of the day.  I just read in the Economist that 9 out of 10 US
Federal welfare dollars go to rich people.  This is probably the reason
that Americans will never build basements! :)
**********
SACRAMENTO -- Nobody's safe, it seems. Rich people watch the raging surf
smash their beach homes. Hillside dwellers with sunset vistas see their
houses mauled by mudslides. Or torched by brush fires. Everyone in the
L.A. Basin or San Francisco Bay Area--privileged or poor--is the
potential target of a sudden earthquake.
To be a Californian is to live with lurking calamity. And the more
Californians--we're now 32 million, twice that of 1960--the more
calamitous.
There's a familiar pattern: The governor declares a disaster area and
the president follows suit. Then billions of tax dollars are poured into
helping victims rebuild where nature has just proved it dangerous to
live. 
"The California Association of Realtors would find restrictions on
development repugnant," testified the group's lobbyist, Stanley Wieg.
"We'd find restrictions on rebuilding and resale repugnant."
"Does everybody in California think that American taxpayers are going to
subsidize our lifestyle forever, that we can just present them a blank
check every time we have a mudslide or a flood?" Hayden asks. "It's not
going to happen. The rest of America has troubles too."
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tel 416.592.7379  fax 416.592.5322
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In article <32ECB4AD.1AF5@nts.ohn.hydro.on.ca>, Harold.W.Asmis@hydro.on.ca
wrote:
: Quotes of the day.  I just read in the Economist that 9 out of 10 US
: Federal welfare dollars go to rich people.  This is probably the reason
: that Americans will never build basements! :)

: "Does everybody in California think that American taxpayers are going to
: subsidize our lifestyle forever, that we can just present them a blank
: check every time we have a mudslide or a flood?" Hayden asks. "It's not
: going to happen. The rest of America has troubles too."
So then I guess NOBODY would be entitled. The Southeastern U.S. has too
many tropical storms & hurricanes. The Midwest has too many tornados. And
so on.
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In article <32ECB4AD.1AF5@nts.ohn.hydro.on.ca>,
Harold Asmis   wrote:
>Quotes of the day.  I just read in the Economist that 9 out of 10 US
>Federal welfare dollars go to rich people.  This is probably the reason
>that Americans will never build basements! :)
>**********
>SACRAMENTO -- Nobody's safe, it seems. Rich people watch the raging surf
>smash their beach homes. Hillside dwellers with sunset vistas see their
>houses mauled by mudslides. Or torched by brush fires. Everyone in the
>L.A. Basin or San Francisco Bay Area--privileged or poor--is the
>potential target of a sudden earthquake.
[diatribe deleted]
>Harold W. Asmis        harold.w.asmis@hydro.on.ca
>tel 416.592.7379  fax 416.592.5322
>Standard Disclaimers Apply
Um. You're a Canadian. Butt out.
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Dennis Gentry wrote:
> ,
> timberwoof@the*mall.net (timberwoof) wrote:
> >They also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
> 
> And they stopped laughing at Wegener.
'They' stopped laughing at Wegener after he was dead.  You making an
offer here, Dennis? (in a virtual sense :)
You guys have been driving me nuts with this, so I dusted off my old
plate tectonics books.  This was not the case of an 'anti-science'
outsider up against the establishment of 'Science.'  This was just
another scientific controversy, such as the real cause of cancer.
In 1855, Antonio Snider made the first reconstruction of the continents.
Nothing much was done with it (ie. nobody 'laughed', probably nobody
even saw it), until 1910, when there was quite a school of 'drifters' vs
others.  Then there was a whole bunch of scientists who had various
theories of what happened: 
-catastrophic tidal action caused by the supposed capture of the moon
from space.
-Earth and Venus nearly collided  ..... etc.  (I can't find any
reference on 'laughing'.)
Wegener is merely credited as the most important single early advocate
of Continental Drift.  He drew on evidence from geology, geophysics,
biology, and climatology in developing the most complete and influential
early statement of the drift theory in 1912 (sounds rather scientific to
me!).  As for mechanism, Wegener believed that the continental blocks
just 'flowed' through the upper mantle.  Only shortly before his death
(around 1928?) did he start to mention convection currents.
Since there was no evidence for a plausible mechanism, scientists just
agreed to disagree for the next 40 years, and went on to other things. 
Only in the 60's did the great 'Plate Tectonics' intellectual explosion
start.
I was lucky to have many conversations with the great J. Tuzo Wilson
before he died.  He told us that he backed many wrong theories before he
gave us transform faults, and many of these were 'laughable'.
-- 
Harold W. Asmis        harold.w.asmis@hydro.on.ca
tel 416.592.7379  fax 416.592.5322
Standard Disclaimers Apply

Dennis Gentry wrote:
> 
> In article
> ,
> timberwoof@the*mall.net (timberwoof) wrote:
> 
> >In article ,
> >gentryd@pipeline.com (Dennis Gentry) wrote:
> >
> >> In article , jewett@netcom.com (Bob Jewett)
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> >Which he seems to be doing without any understanding of the physical
> >> >processes that Tim has included in his theory.  Neither of them
> >> >is any Wegener.
> >>
> >> I know I'm getting to sound like a broken record, but you guys seem
> >> to keep conveniently forgetting that back in Wegener's day the same
> >> thing was thought of him.
> >
> >They also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
> 
> And they stopped laughing at Wegener.
No, they didn't. Wegener was wrong. He thought that continents plowed
through the oceans like spoons through a bowl of pudding. His theory was 
absurd, laughed at by geophysicists who knew that the ocean crust was 
denser than the continents and couldn't be plowed through, and still 
laughed at by geophysicists. Wegener was right only that the fossils and 
rocks matched up across the Atlantic but WRONG about how it was 
accomplished. 
Lucy Jones

Seismic and data are available on the PEPP website
 http://lasker.princeton.edu/PEPPsoftware.html
THere is some other really nice software being developed. 
Bill Combs
Crawfordsville High School
Crawfordsville, IN 47933
Keith A. McKain  wrote in article
<32E1C91B.3EEE@den.k12.de.us>...
> Purchased SEISMIC last year and would like to update the data base - but
> can no longer find the program on SimTel nor any other site!  I think
> the author was Alan Jones.  Any ideas where an update can be obtained?
> 				Thanks,
> 					Keith
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On Mon, 27 Jan 1997 08:59:09 -0500, Harold Asmis
 wrote:

>"Does everybody in California think that American taxpayers are going to
>subsidize our lifestyle forever, that we can just present them a blank
>check every time we have a mudslide or a flood?" Hayden asks. "It's not
>going to happen. The rest of America has troubles too."
Membership in the United States is a net drain on the California
Republic, we would do better to secede and take care of our own
problems and let "America" take care of theirs.   And we will do it
without basements!  :-)
Larry Devich
ldevich@ricochet.net
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better
than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace.  We ask
not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were
our countrymen." - Samuel Adams."

In article <32ECD9A0.7C35@gps.caltech.edu>, Lucy Jones  writes:
>Dennis Gentry wrote:
[...]
>> 
>> And they stopped laughing at Wegener.
>
>No, they didn't. Wegener was wrong. He thought that continents plowed
>through the oceans like spoons through a bowl of pudding. His theory was 
>absurd, laughed at by geophysicists who knew that the ocean crust was 
>denser than the continents and couldn't be plowed through, and still 
>laughed at by geophysicists. Wegener was right only that the fossils and 
>rocks matched up across the Atlantic but WRONG about how it was 
>accomplished. 
Agreed. There is tremendous revisionism applied the Wegener history. He
did not propose anything like plate tectonics, he only proposed that
there was such a thing as continental drift. He was also far from
ignored. South African and Australian geologists accepted Wegener
almost immediately. Others found his suggestions disquieting, but
nobody tried to suppress his ideas. On the contrary, his case was
repeatedly argued at meetings of the Geol Soc Am and elsewhere. The
fact that there was so much argument meant that Wegener had vocal
supporters (mainly among the field geologists). A chapter in James
Trefil's book "Meditations at 10,000 feet: a scientist in the
mountains" has a reasonable (if somewhat northern-hemisphere-parochial)
reconstruction of the Wegener history. Now if Dennis had said "And they
stopped laughing J. Harlan Bretz," then perhaps he'd have a point...
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