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 Subject: Re: Sonnets (Was: A constructive proposal for Archie P.) -- From: Eric Lucas
Subject: Re: Sonnets (Was: A constructive proposal for Archie P.) -- From: meron@cars3.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution -- From: Judson McClendon
Subject: Re: Creationists prohibit GOD from using HIS method !? -- From: johnt@haagar.jpl.nasa.gov (John Thompson)
Subject: USA USGS Quake Map 8/22-28/96 -- From: michael@garlock.wr.usgs.gov (Andy Michael)
Subject: Asheville, North Carolina. Caves? Mines? Close mtns? 1-2 days -- From: x@apocalypse.org (Xochi Zen)
Subject: Re: radioactive gold? -- From: Darryl Hayashida
Subject: Weekly USGS Quake Report 8/22-28/96 -- From: michael@garlock.wr.usgs.gov (Andy Michael)
Subject: San Francisco Bay USGS Quake Map 8/22-28/96 -- From: michael@garlock.wr.usgs.gov (Andy Michael)
Subject: N. California USGS Quake Map 8/22-28/96 -- From: michael@garlock.wr.usgs.gov (Andy Michael)
Subject: Long Valley USGS Quake Map 8/22-28/96 -- From: michael@garlock.wr.usgs.gov (Andy Michael)
Subject: World USGS Quake Map 8/22-28/96 -- From: michael@garlock.wr.usgs.gov (Andy Michael)
Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution -- From: Leonard Timmons
Subject: Re: Utter Futility of Arguing With Creationists -- From: Gerald Tighe
Subject: Re: grad school questions -- From: Hal Heitman
Subject: My email box solved;Re: AUTORESPONSE Forgerers, Lucas,Bromage, -- From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium)
Subject: Re: Dumb & dumber -- From: Strebe@AOL.COM (daan Strebe)
Subject: Re: If is it not posted at TechExpo it is not A Conference (ora -- From: watson@ned.dem.csiro.au (David Watson)
Subject: Re: Asheville, North Carolina. Caves? Mines? Close mtns? 1-2 days -- From: Dick Kehn
Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution -- From: meron@cars3.uchicago.edu
Subject: When the past is the same as the future in science -- From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium)
Subject: Re: Shift from UNIX to NT in progress? -- From: Magnus Sterky
Subject: Re: Creationists prohibit GOD from using HIS method !? -- From: addesign@interaccess.com (Jeff)
Subject: Re: Could these be artificial structures on mars? (photo attached)Ro -- From: syzygyjob@aol.com (SYZYGYJOB)
Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution Survey Now Complete -- From: gnewman@iglou.com (Greg 'Bonz' Newman)

Articles

Subject: Re: Sonnets (Was: A constructive proposal for Archie P.)
From: Eric Lucas
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:23:52 -0400
Bill Owen wrote:
> 
> In article , fwchapma@daisy.uwaterloo.ca (Frederick W. Chapman) writes (among other neat stuff):
> > ObMath: It is probably because I am a mathematician, and because
> > mathematicians appreciate the beauty of elegantly crafted intricate
> > patterns, that the regular structure of classical verse appeals to me
> > so much more than contemporary freeverse.  In fact, the classical
> > poets were well aware of the mathematical nature of their art, and
> > often used the word "numbers" in reference to their poetry.
> (citations from Donne and Milton snipped)
> > I dare say that to the classical poets, the beauty of poetry was
> > derived very much from the inherent mathematical structure of
> > language.  Conversely, for me, the beauty of mathematics comes from
> > the poetry inherent in the harmonious relationships between symbolic
> > abstractions.  Both poetry and mathematics seem to possess an
> > intrinsic intelligence which transcends our own conscious creativity.
> > Both, in their own way, capture the essence of the universe.
> >
> > Poetry.  Mathematics.  Same thing.
> 
> Change a few words, and the same sort of thing could be said about mathematics
> and music!  And I know at least one other professional astronomer who composes
> on the side.
Better than decomposing, I suppose, which is what most Baroque composers
are doing now!  (Dare I say all?  Not in this crowd!)
Sorry.  A moment of weakness.
	Eric
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Subject: Re: Sonnets (Was: A constructive proposal for Archie P.)
From: meron@cars3.uchicago.edu
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 23:39:48 GMT
In article <32262688.7D0A@superlink.net>, Eric Lucas  writes:
>Better than decomposing, I suppose, which is what most Baroque composers
>are doing now!  (Dare I say all?  Not in this crowd!)
>
Shades of Gary Larson :-)
Mati Meron			| "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu		|  chances are he is doing just the same"
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Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution
From: Judson McClendon
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:54:55 -0500
Aaron Boyden wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Judson McClendon wrote:
> 
> > There is a third [assumption underlying science]:
> >
> > 3. The universe is explainable by naturalistic processes.
> >
> > This is the assumption which is the basis of this thread's existence.
> 
> What does "naturalistic" mean?  What does this assumption add to the
> other proposed basic presuppositions of science (that the universe is
> comprehensible and the simplest theory which explains the data is
> best)?  What does it rule out?
Rule 3 means that we have to explain everything, including the origin of 
the universe and man without God.  Isaac Newton would have agreed with 
assumptions 1 and 2, but not 3, for he believed that the world was 
created by God in a special creation, and that the earth was destroyed 
by the Genesis flood.
-- 
Judson McClendon
Sun Valley Systems
Email: judsonmc@ix.netcom.com
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Subject: Re: Creationists prohibit GOD from using HIS method !?
From: johnt@haagar.jpl.nasa.gov (John Thompson)
Date: 29 Aug 1996 23:28:26 GMT
In article <4vv0uh$3b3@mo6.rc.tudelft.nl> maarten@cpt6.stm.tudelft.nl (Jong Maarten_de) writes:
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>
>MikeNoreen (removed_to_avoid@mail.spammers) wrote:
>: Replying to e_rmwm@va.nmh.ac.uk (Roger Musson) 
>: 
>: : >The Bible may not be a book of science period and it does not tell us 
>: : >exactly how God created, but IT DOES SAY THAT THE JOB WAS DONE IN SIX 
>: : >DAYS with each day having "an evening and a morning."
>: : 
>: : It also says that the value of pi is 3.
>: 
>: It does? Where?
>
>I dunno the exact reference, but I think it was the bath in Salomon's temple. I'm
>quoting from memory here -- I did a maths problem on it eons ago. The bath was
>described as 10 'x' in diameter, while it was 30 'x' in circumference. O = pi*d,
>ergo, pi = 3.
>
I Kings 7:23 (NIV translation)
  He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits
  from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to
  measure around it. 
The Bible Gateway web site is a good resource for these things. It has
multiple translations and search facilities.
    http://www.gospelcom.net/bible
-- 
John Thompson
Jet Propulsion Laboratory      email: johnt@haagar.jpl.nasa.gov
4800 Oak Grove Drive             tel: 818-354-4587
Pasadena, Ca. 91109-8099         fax: 818-393-3013
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Subject: USA USGS Quake Map 8/22-28/96
From: michael@garlock.wr.usgs.gov (Andy Michael)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 00:16:44 GMT
Thu Aug 29 17:20:08 PDT 1996
The most recent version of this plot can be found
 here on the WWW
This map is associated with the USGS weekly seismicity report for
Northern California, the US, and the World.  Disclaimers in that report
apply to this map.  The format is GIF (GIF 87a, I believe) converted to
ascii by uuencode.  For more info contact michael@andreas.wr.usgs.gov.
DO NOT SEND EMAIL TO weekly@garlock.wr.usgs.gov  It will not be read.
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Subject: Asheville, North Carolina. Caves? Mines? Close mtns? 1-2 days
From: x@apocalypse.org (Xochi Zen)
Date: 29 Aug 1996 20:38:43 -0400
I'm going to spending a day or two in Asheville, NC, and was 
wondering if there were any interesting caves/mines/mountains
within a short drive of the city... say, 30 mins or so. 
For mountains, I'd rather go for views rather than a stamina test.
An hour hike would suit me just fine. 
Just read that the Smokey Mtns have 400-600 black bears. How do I
*not* get mauled? I'm not so sure I should even go into the mtns.
I'm used to the White Mtns in New Hampshire where there are very
few dangerous critters. 
I could stay in the area longer if only I could find cheap accomodations.
I usually stay in youth hostels when I travel (can't beat $8-$12 a
night!!!), but there don't seem to be any in the Asheville area.
Does anyone here know of any? 
I know there's a university in the city... anyone know if they operate
any dorms in the summer as hostels?
For caves, a show cave would be fine, because I'm fairly new to caving.
Or a beginner's cave.
Lastly, I was wondering if there were any inexpensive buses from
the airport into the city. 
Thanks in advance. I'd appreciate a quick response if possible, 
because I leave for Asheville saturday morning!
- Xochi / x@apocalypse.org
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|                  | "I am a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in          |
| Xochi Zen        |  a tortilla." - Xochi Zen                                |
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Subject: Re: radioactive gold?
From: Darryl Hayashida
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:44:19 -0700
William Cordua wrote:
> 
> I heard a story once about some Mexican gold that got somehow contaminated
> by radiation. It was subsequently used to make jewelry - perhaps in the
> 1940's. The jewelry was radioactive, and people were warned away from
> wearing it. Does any one know if this is a true story? And,if true, can
> any one help me fill in the details. Thank y'all.
Don't know about gold and jewelry, but there was an article in
the newspaper about radioactive iron used to make cast iron 
patio furniture. They found out about it when a truck delivering
the furniture took a wrong turn and drove by a gate for a nuclear
power plant. It set off the alarms for the power plant, so they 
had to investigate the truck. At first they thought it might be
smuggling plutonium out, but it turned out to be the furniture
that was radioactive.
Darryl Hayashida
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Subject: Weekly USGS Quake Report 8/22-28/96
From: michael@garlock.wr.usgs.gov (Andy Michael)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 00:16:07 GMT
NOTE: 5 or more maps will follow this post.
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DISCLAIMER -- THIS IS NOT AN EARTHQUAKE PREDICTION OR WARNING!
  The commentary provided with these map(s) is for INFORMATIONAL
USE ONLY, and SHOULD NOT be construed as an earthquake prediction,
warning, or advisory.  Responsibility for such warnings rests with
the Office of Emergency Services of the State of California.
PLEASE REMEMBER -- THESE ARE PRELIMINARY DATA
  Releasing these summaries on a timely basis requires that the
data, analysis, and interpretations presented are PRELIMINARY. Of
necessity they can only reflect the views of the seismologists who
prepared them, and DO NOT carry the endorsement of the U.S.G.S.
Thus while every effort is made to ensure that the information is
accurate, nothing contained in this report is to be construed as
and earthquake prediction, warning, advisory, or official policy
statement of any kind, of the U.S. Geological Survey, or the
U.S. Government.
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Seismicity Report for Northern California,
the Nation, and the World for the week of
August 22 - 28, 1996
 Stephen R. Walter and Fred W. Klein
U.S. Geological Survey
345 Middlefield Rd.  MS-977, Menlo Park, CA  94025
San Francisco Bay Area   
   Seismicity in the Bay Area was very comparable to the normal
levels of last week.  During the seven-day period ending at
midnight on August 28, 1996 the U.S. Geological Survey office in
Menlo Park recorded 32 earthquakes of magnitude one (M1) and
greater within the San Francisco Bay area shown in Figure 1. 
Three were as large as M2.  This total compares to 33
earthquakes during the previous seven-day period (August 15-21),
three of which were as large as M2.
   The largest earthquake of the week was on August 23 (figure
1/1) near Hollister and was felt by local residents.  A swarm of
four earthquakes between magnitudes 1.9 and 1.2 occurred on the
Hayward Fault in Berkeley on August 25 (#1/2).  A magnitude 2.1
event near Livermore (#1/4) was located between the rupture
areas of the M 5.8 Livermore earthquake of 1/24/80 to the north
and the M 5.7 Mt. Lewis earthquake of 3/24/86 to the south.
Northern & Central California
   It was an average week in Northern California.  Earthquakes may not
have been vacationing out of the state, but they were certainly relaxing
and taking life easy in the pleasant weather.  The only magnitude 3 or
larger was on the active Mendocino Fault 90 miles offshore.  Several other
magnitude 2 events were notable including a M 2.4 near Red Bluff (#2/1), a
trio of M 2.1-2.2 events 16 miles NW of San Simeon (#2/3) and an M 2.9
earthquake 10 miles NW of Bishop to close the week out.
Long Valley Caldera
  It was an unusually quiet week at Long Valley.  There were only four
events larger than M 1.5 and none larger than 2.0.  This was the quietest
week in more than a year.
USA Seismicity (August 20-28, 1996)
   The U.S. was also relatively quiet.  Most activity was under the
Aleutian Islands of Alaska (several magnitude 4's).  The continental U.S.,
Southern California, and Hawaii were also quiet.  An earthquake near the
Oregon-Washington border was only magnitude 2.6 (figure 4 #1).
The Planet Earth  (August 20-28, 199)
   The largest earthquakes in the world were near the Fiji Islands (M 5.4
on 8/27), the isolated Mid-Indian Ocean Ridge (M 5.9 on 8/27) and in the
Solomon Islands (M 5.5 on 8/28).  Two people were injured in the M 5.0
Ecuador earthquake on 8/25.
Table 1. Northern & Central California Seismicity (M>1.0)
--ORIGIN TIME (UT)-- -LAT N-- --LON W-- DEPTH  N N RMS ERH ERZ       DUR
YR MON DA HRMN  SEC  DEG MIN  DEG  MIN    KM  RD S SEC  KM  KM REMKS MAG
96 AUG 22  739  8.50 39 30.51 123 41.91  4.78 19   .10  .4 1.0 PAR#  2.4
96 AUG 22  748 54.42 38 54.05 123  0.42  1.58  8   .09  .411.3 MAA - 1.5
96 AUG 22  851 27.52 37 14.79 122  9.90  4.15 11   .12  .4  .7 BLM   1.0
96 AUG 22  924 45.81 37 21.36 122 13.55 11.19 33   .08  .3  .5 BLM   1.9
96 AUG 22 1102 31.36 37 30.08 118 24.07  6.71 14   .04  .3 1.1 CHV   1.7
96 AUG 22 1219  8.08 38 48.14 122 44.65  2.59 19   .06  .2  .9 GEY   1.9
96 AUG 22 1231 45.89 39 25.62 123 17.26  5.23 26 1 .12  .3 1.6 MAA   2.2
96 AUG 22 1316 20.49 36 34.60 120 58.04  1.52 19   .13  .3 1.3 CRV   1.5
96 AUG 22 1351 25.80 38 42.35 119 38.60  8.91 22   .10  .5 1.3 WAK   2.6
96 AUG 22 1358 16.64 37 38.06 118 55.79  9.84 20   .08  .3  .6 SMO   1.5
96 AUG 22 1358 40.28 36 59.57 121 49.29 12.01 25   .06  .2  .5 LOM   1.4
96 AUG 22 1407 36.60 39 48.47 123 12.98  6.24 15 1 .10  .3 1.1 BAR   1.8
96 AUG 22 1409 30.73 39 48.53 123 13.14  5.86 15   .09  .3 1.0 BAR#  1.9
96 AUG 22 1459 23.27 36 18.99 120 53.69  4.42 12   .08  .4  .7 BIT   1.4
96 AUG 22 2150 40.55 36 22.40 121  1.39  0.36 16   .07  .3  .5 BIT   1.8
96 AUG 22 2344 13.78 37 56.58 118  7.68  5.01 15   .09 1.4 9.6 NEV - 2.0
96 AUG 23  259  6.78 35 32.86 118 19.10  9.41 11 1 .10  .4 1.1 WWF   1.7
96 AUG 23  436 43.88 39 48.53 123 13.08  5.83 15 1 .07  .3 1.0 BAR   1.8
96 AUG 23  643 15.00 40 12.39 122  7.06 17.81 14 2 .11  .5  .8 SHA   2.7
96 AUG 23  800 33.73 36 53.08 121 23.90  8.95 61   .09  .2  .3 HOL   3.0
96 AUG 23  902 41.21 39 28.90 123  9.09  8.98  7   .04  .8 1.6 BAR   1.5
96 AUG 23 1024 48.31 37 25.02 121 45.85  7.56 14 1 .06  .3  .6 ALU   1.1
96 AUG 23 1202 33.10 40 34.62 126  5.99  5.15 13   .1911.317.3 PON - 3.2
96 AUG 23 1408 59.15 38 49.23 122 48.05  2.43  8   .02  .3 2.1 GEY   1.7
96 AUG 23 1417 34.45 38  8.15 118 14.60  4.88  8   .07 1.6 9.9 NEV - 1.9
96 AUG 23 1733 26.39 38 48.67 122 49.45  1.64 13   .15  .3 1.4 GEY#  1.7
96 AUG 23 1836 25.85 36 42.97 121 21.63  3.75 18   .07  .2  .4 STN   1.5
96 AUG 23 1846 21.33 36 42.87 121 21.62  3.99 17 1 .05  .2  .4 STN   1.6
96 AUG 23 1935 58.76 36 53.09 121 24.17  8.92 27   .08  .3  .6 HOL   1.2
96 AUG 23 2026 15.27 39 25.92 123  6.34  5.75 12   .14  .4 3.2 BAR   1.7
96 AUG 23 2123 52.14 36 16.72 120 47.40  5.86 13 1 .07  .3  .6 BIT   1.7
96 AUG 23 2136 26.36 36 10.36 120 44.66  4.08  9   .07  .7 1.2 BIT   1.7
96 AUG 23 2145 17.33 39 37.75 123 22.90  7.57 13   .04  .2  .5 MAA   1.8
96 AUG 23 2306 25.64 38 56.05 122 41.05  1.69 25   .12  .2  .4 KON#  2.3
96 AUG 23 2323 52.34 38 56.06 122 41.90  0.05 10   .09  .3  .9 KON## 1.7
96 AUG 24  234 57.99 38 49.53 122 51.71  6.48 12 3 .08  .4  .8 GEY#  1.9
96 AUG 24  258 32.27 40 18.11 121 26.85  0.38  8 3 .05 1.5 1.0 ALM   1.3
96 AUG 24  709 11.90 38 56.11 122 41.88  0.04 11   .07  .3  .8 KON## 1.8
96 AUG 24  728 58.83 37 50.76 121 58.15  8.46 14 2 .07  .3  .4 CON   1.4
96 AUG 24  931 36.49 36  0.29 120 58.38 10.07 16   .07  .4 1.6 ROB   1.8
96 AUG 24 1018 41.02 37 36.18 118 57.65  6.70 25 1 .09  .3  .5 SHE   1.6
96 AUG 24 1023 51.86 38 48.17 122 48.84  4.19 13   .04  .2 1.0 GEY   1.4
96 AUG 24 1340  5.88 37  8.58 121 59.08 11.60 26   .09  .3  .7 LOM   1.3
96 AUG 24 1341 31.99 36 37.25 121 13.43  4.44 26 1 .07  .2  .6 PIN   1.3
96 AUG 24 1426 53.82 36 38.32 121 13.43  5.54 22 4 .07  .2  .6 STN   1.3
--ORIGIN TIME (UT)-- -LAT N-- --LON W-- DEPTH  N N RMS ERH ERZ       DUR
YR MON DA HRMN  SEC  DEG MIN  DEG  MIN    KM  RD S SEC  KM  KM REMKS MAG
96 AUG 24 1739 37.83 37 34.54 118 49.53  2.57 10   .05  .6  .4 MOR   1.3
96 AUG 24 1819 55.25 39 56.17 121  2.24  3.42 27 5 .14  .4 3.0 ALM   2.3
96 AUG 24 1941 22.07 37 36.20 118 53.70  5.07 13   .10  .4  .7 SHE   1.3
96 AUG 25  137 33.65 36 45.54 121 15.74  9.87 30 2 .05  .2  .4 PAI   1.5
96 AUG 25  334 27.09 39 37.56 123 22.74  8.00  9   .05  .3  .8 MAA   1.5
96 AUG 25  403 38.17 35 49.12 121 21.61  3.39 33 1 .10  .4  .5 SSM#  2.3
96 AUG 25  645 36.75 38 49.54 122 47.79  4.99 16   .04  .2  .9 GEY   1.8
96 AUG 25  703 59.97 35 48.77 121 23.14  4.81 35 2 .09  .5  .4 SSM   2.2
96 AUG 25  919 36.81 36 47.09 121 28.88  5.51 16   .12  .4 1.0 SJB   1.1
96 AUG 25  937 16.80 39 28.09 123  8.30  6.96 10 2 .04  .3 1.6 BAR   1.3
96 AUG 25 1523 32.16 35 48.92 121 24.34  6.51 29 1 .05  .5  .4 SSM   2.1
96 AUG 25 1758 52.56 37  7.49 121 31.73  7.90 32   .04  .2  .4 CYN   1.4
96 AUG 25 1821 12.59 37 34.14 118 50.76  7.85 17   .07  .3 1.0 MOR   1.5
96 AUG 25 2034 51.22 37 24.67 121 45.48  7.60 53 1 .08  .1  .5 ALU   1.7
96 AUG 25 2058 57.37 38 47.89 122 46.80  4.19  8   .01  .3 1.8 GEY   1.4
96 AUG 25 2320 48.20 37 51.57 122 12.76  8.36 46   .15  .2  .7 HAY   1.9
96 AUG 25 2330 15.03 36 21.00 120 54.26  5.44 25   .08  .3  .7 BIT   1.6
96 AUG 26   42 56.32 37 49.98 122 13.14  6.05 16 1 .11  .4 1.0 HAY   1.1
96 AUG 26  209 53.07 36 14.31 120 15.50 13.21 29 1 .08  .2  .5 COA   2.1
96 AUG 26  219 16.99 37 51.55 122 12.83 10.40 16 1 .18  .6 1.3 HAY   1.1
96 AUG 26  235 20.13 37 50.68 122 13.09  9.18 21 1 .17  .4  .9 HAY   1.4
96 AUG 26  517 15.62 40 16.51 124 24.52 20.40 13 2 .07  .9  .5 MEN   1.9
96 AUG 26  826 21.34 37 37.59 118 52.84 10.98 18   .09  .4 1.0 SMO   1.7
96 AUG 26  828  3.18 37 37.62 118 52.80 10.21 19   .10  .4  .9 SMO   1.6
96 AUG 26  839 20.70 37 37.64 118 52.29  7.08  8   .12  .7 1.8 SMO   1.2
96 AUG 26  909 29.00 37 37.60 118 52.71  9.38 22 1 .09  .3  .8 SMO   1.8
96 AUG 26 1002  4.93 40 24.04 125 36.98  5.14 22   .17 6.015.9 MEN - 2.6
96 AUG 26 1007 23.92 36 47.15 121 19.67  6.74 12 1 .02  .5  .6 PAI    .9
96 AUG 26 1044 54.54 37 32.07 118 49.12  2.86 14 2 .07  .3 1.2 MOR   1.2
96 AUG 26 1220  4.59 37 37.59 118 52.79 10.27 19   .09  .4  .9 SMO   1.5
96 AUG 26 1248 54.15 37 57.20 121 59.79 15.32 10   .09  .9 1.3 CON   1.4
96 AUG 26 1253 20.28 35 49.05 121 22.33  2.75 18 2 .21 1.2 1.7 SSM   1.8
96 AUG 26 1332 26.19 36  3.56 120 35.91  6.61 32 2 .07  .3  .3 SLA   1.9
96 AUG 26 1430  3.57 36  3.38 120 36.20  6.72 15 3 .09  .6  .4 SLA   1.3
96 AUG 26 1620 21.52 36  8.80 120 16.54  8.35 10 1 .09 1.2  .9 COA   1.9
96 AUG 26 1628 37.31 38 48.08 122 49.57  1.23 14   .09  .3 1.0 GEY   1.5
96 AUG 26 1635 16.86 38 48.36 122 49.49  1.11  7   .05  .4 2.0 GEY   1.2
96 AUG 26 1900 20.01 36 40.62 121 18.39  4.08 11   .06  .3 1.5 STN   1.0
96 AUG 26 2000 33.23 37 37.65 118 52.28  7.41 11   .09  .5 1.2 SMO   1.4
96 AUG 26 2007 41.74 36 44.44 121 17.16  1.21 10   .04  .3  .8 PAI   1.0
96 AUG 26 2042 40.96 37 34.19 118 50.39 10.31 13   .09  .6 1.3 MOR   1.2
96 AUG 26 2230 19.89 38 49.39 122 50.18  2.08 21 1 .05  .2  .6 GEY   1.6
96 AUG 26 2337 36.13 38 45.35 122 42.87  2.82 10   .04  .3  .6 GEY   1.4
96 AUG 27   45 57.79 38 49.82 122 47.51  0.04  7   .05  .3 1.2 GEY # 1.2
96 AUG 27  128 21.49 38 49.27 122 48.54  3.78 14   .03  .3  .5 GEY   1.6
--ORIGIN TIME (UT)-- -LAT N-- --LON W-- DEPTH  N N RMS ERH ERZ       DUR
YR MON DA HRMN  SEC  DEG MIN  DEG  MIN    KM  RD S SEC  KM  KM REMKS MAG
96 AUG 27  433 23.47 36 47.67 121 22.65  3.71 20   .05  .2  .5 HOL   1.2
96 AUG 27  447 45.96 40 18.81 124 34.90 21.02 33   .10  .9  .6 MEN   2.9
96 AUG 27  525 54.03 38 44.74 122 43.07  2.01 12   .06  .3  .5 NAP   1.8
96 AUG 27  618 55.25 38 44.83 122 43.16  1.70 10   .07  .4  .6 NAP   1.4
96 AUG 27  626 58.65 36 50.29 121 26.11  6.50 63 1 .18  .2  .6 HOL # 2.1
96 AUG 27  703 25.05 35 50.35 120 11.72  8.66 12   .07 1.9  .5 COA   1.8
96 AUG 27  832 16.03 36 50.61 121 26.04  5.20 12   .13  .5 1.3 HOL##  .9
96 AUG 27 1055  4.48 38 47.56 122 46.59  2.24  7   .02  .4  .6 GEY   1.3
96 AUG 27 1425 33.98 38 49.20 122 47.64  3.98  7   .03  .6  .7 GEY   1.2
96 AUG 27 1447 34.23 35 49.16 121 22.05  4.00 26 1 .09  .5  .5 SSM#  2.2
96 AUG 27 1835 56.24 37 28.30 118 48.44  8.14 18   .07  .3  .9 MOR   1.6
96 AUG 27 1936 30.99 36 45.11 121 24.08  6.85 26 4 .15  .3  .5 SJB   1.4
96 AUG 27 2024 23.05 36 53.09 121 24.14  7.65 15   .07  .3 1.3 HOL   1.0
96 AUG 27 2025 31.48 37 38.02 121 41.82  6.05 22 1 .14  .4  .6 HAM   1.9
96 AUG 27 2025 31.49 37 38.21 121 41.51 15.32 19   .10  .5 3.5 HAM   2.1
96 AUG 27 2030 19.97 37 26.53 121 41.33  6.98 14 1 .05  .3  .8 HAM   1.2
96 AUG 27 2030 19.94 37 26.34 121 41.38  5.00  9   .06  .6 7.0 HAM - 1.4
96 AUG 27 2216 46.33 36 22.40 121  1.69  0.29  7   .04  .4  .6 BIT   2.0
96 AUG 28  158 18.73 38 48.72 122 48.47  4.03 23   .03  .2  .4 GEY   1.8
96 AUG 28  254 39.17 36 34.61 121 10.44  5.39 11   .04  .3  .7 PIN   1.0
96 AUG 28  255 20.19 37 32.15 118 49.16  3.05 20   .07  .3 1.4 MOR   1.4
96 AUG 28  312 24.92 38 46.95 122 45.41  0.34 17   .06  .2  .7 GEY#  1.7
96 AUG 28  406  4.70 36 19.52 120 54.15  3.91 11   .07  .7  .7 BIT   1.3
96 AUG 28  430 28.27 38 47.35 122 44.80  1.48 12   .06  .2  .5 GEY   1.7
96 AUG 28  521 49.47 38 48.12 122 48.80  4.10  8   .01  .3  .9 GEY   1.2
96 AUG 28  528 23.88 37 34.12 118 51.62  5.30 11   .07  .6 1.4 MOR   1.3
96 AUG 28  622 28.39 37 34.22 118 52.02  3.70 11   .06  .4 1.6 MOR   1.0
96 AUG 28  627 16.50 38 50.40 122 50.00  2.77  7   .04  .4  .9 GEY   1.0
96 AUG 28  736 13.11 37 29.90 118 45.20 10.43 13   .04  .7 1.4 WCN   1.3
96 AUG 28  851  3.28 38 47.01 122 45.87  0.72 12   .04  .2  .7 GEY#  1.5
96 AUG 28  932 34.96 36 48.44 121 31.71  8.02 42 1 .16  .3  .6 SJB   1.4
96 AUG 28 1048 17.23 36 36.09 121 12.08  2.72 35 1 .08  .2  .4 PIN   1.9
96 AUG 28 1055 36.35 36 35.94 121 12.01  2.99 21   .06  .2  .5 PIN   1.5
96 AUG 28 1107 38.80 37 32.37 118 49.43  0.95  9   .04  .4  .2 MOR   1.2
96 AUG 28 1514 21.32 37 34.46 118 50.32  6.64 18   .05  .3  .5 MOR   1.4
96 AUG 28 1800 17.04 37 24.79 118 33.88 14.17 32   .08  .3  .9 RVL   3.1
96 AUG 28 1945 43.47 38 49.43 122 47.99  3.95  7   .01  .4  .8 GEY   1.1
96 AUG 28 2236 20.60 37 32.96 118 52.59  8.55 14   .09  .6 1.0 MOR   1.3
96 AUG 29  146 49.30 39 29.58 123 18.44 11.26  8   .06  .4 1.6 MAA   1.3
96 AUG 29  226 10.08 37 33.89 118 50.37  5.80 25   .08  .3  .5 MOR   1.8
96 AUG 29  511 47.72 39 26.01 123 18.50  7.72 23   .13  .3  .7 MAA   2.1
TABLE 2.
Data from National Earthquake Information Center (NEIC)
UTC TIME    LAT     LONG    DEP GS MAGS  SD STA  REGION AND COMMENTS
HRMNSEC                         MB  Msz     USED
AUG 20
012651.3  40.089N  20.563E  10G 5.0 4.8 1.4 153 GREECE-ALBANIA BORDER REGION. ML
        4.9 (LDG). Some damage to houses in Konitsa. Greece.
032849.0   1.008N 120.098E  33N 5.3 4.2 0.9  40 MINAHASSA PENINSULA, SULAWESI
034306.2   0.995N 120.051E  33N 5.1     0.8  35 MINAHASSA PENINSULA, SULAWESI
044848.9* 51.431N  16.248E  10G         1.7   6 POLAND. ML 3.2 (CLL), 3.2 (GRF).
045956.0  47.232N  10.012E   5G         1.3  35 AUSTRIA. ML 3.0 (LDG), 3.1
065441.1   0.821N 126.873E  33N 5.2     1.2  35 NORTHERN MOLUCCA SEA
071156.6* 47.108S 100.173E  10G         0.8   9 SOUTHEAST INDIAN RIDGE
074226.7*  7.849S 127.258E 134D 4.8     0.8  18 BANDA SEA
083008.9* 24.170N  94.969E 100G 4.5     1.0  19 MYANMAR-INDIA BORDER REGION
092943.0  38.938N 122.645W   5G         1.1  30 NORTHERN CALIFORNIA. ML 2.9
095815.5?  0.38 S 132.44 E  33N 4.7     1.3  17 IRIAN JAYA REGION, INDONESIA
104423.5  36.220N 120.835W   5G         0.8  37 CENTRAL CALIFORNIA. ML 2.8 (GS).
                                                MD 3.0 (GM).
110750.6% 34.111S  70.565W 100G         0.1  11 CHILE-ARGENTINA BORDER. MD 3.8
120237.5  51.521N 178.406W  33N 5.1 4.4 0.8 196 ANDREANOF ISLANDS, ALEUTIAN IS.
                                                Felt on Adak.
120703.2* 56.099S  28.551W 300G 4.1     0.7   6 SOUTH SANDWICH ISLANDS REGION
120811.4  23.545S 179.756W 500G 5.0     0.9  50 SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS
152705.1% 32.728S  71.553W  20G         0.5   9 NR COAST OF CENT CHILE. MD 3.5
154429.5* 36.499N  26.934E 130G 3.6     0.7  12 DODECANESE ISLANDS
161033.8  36.273N  27.288E  10G 4.0     1.4  42 DODECANESE ISLANDS
163941.0* 43.995N  15.311E  10G         0.8  15 ADRIATIC SEA. ML 3.5 (LDG).
175341.2* 36.425N  53.122E  33N 3.6     1.0  11 NORTHERN IRAN
194828.6  44.255N   6.167E   5G         0.8  15 FRANCE. ML 2.6 (LDG).
200251.5* 77.697N   8.216E  10G 3.9     1.6  15 SVALBARD REGION
202159.0*  0.262S 132.584E  33N 4.8     1.1  23 IRIAN JAYA REGION, INDONESIA
224126.7* 50.112N 128.183W  10G 3.7     0.5  12 VANCOUVER ISLAND REGION
224447.2  59.949N 141.516W  10G         1.1   9 SOUTHEASTERN ALASKA. ML 3.8
        (PMR). Felt at Icy Bay Logging Camp.
230001.8  45.568N   6.585E   5G         0.9  13 FRANCE. ML 2.3 (LDG).
231350.5  53.433N 160.357E  33N 4.4     0.8  26 NEAR EAST COAST OF KAMCHATKA
234251.8  13.159N  87.493W 212D 4.3     1.0  50 HONDURAS
AUG 21
005723.7* 20.361S 178.005W 600G 4.5     0.6  18 FIJI ISLANDS REGION
013521.1   0.984N 120.071E  33N 5.2     0.9  40 MINAHASSA PENINSULA, SULAWESI
015407.5* 12.369N 144.036E  33N 4.5 3.9 1.4  24 SOUTH OF MARIANA ISLANDS
021758.3* 40.773N  35.398E  33N 4.1     1.4  25 TURKEY
033834.9*  0.929S  97.122E  33N 4.4     1.2  22 SOUTHWEST OF SUMATERA, INDONESIA
034142.8% 33.762S  70.713W  80G         0.3  11 CHILE-ARGENTINA BORDER. MD 2.6
040435.1? 50.74 N  16.22 E  22?         0.6   5 POLAND. ML 3.1 (GRF), 2.8 (MOX).
044701.1  58.344N 154.874W  10G         0.8  13 ALASKA PENINSULA. ML 3.7 (PMR),
055147.3? 15.83 N  98.30 W  33N 4.1     1.5  17 OFF COAST OF GUERRERO, MEXICO
075414.7  44.221N  71.398W  10G         1.4  19 VERMONT-NEW HAMPSHIRE REGION.
        mbLg 3.8 (GS), 3.6 (OTT). Felt at Twin Mountain, New Hampshire.
080239.7  35.648N 140.625E  39D 4.6     1.3  50 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
085055.7* 35.996N 140.875E  33N         1.7   8 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
085405.0  51.330N 178.222W  33N 4.6 4.1 1.0  87 ANDREANOF IS, ALEUTIAN IS. ML
4.7
090129.9* 47.652S  99.700W  10G 4.9     1.0  24 SOUTHERN PACIFIC OCEAN
111751.8? 35.98 N  70.11 E 100G         1.0   8 HINDU KUSH REGION, AFGHANISTAN
113327.5* 11.338N  86.667W  33N 4.6     1.2  13 NEAR COAST OF NICARAGUA
121747.4   9.487S 155.424E  33N 5.0     1.0  48 D'ENTRECASTEAUX ISLANDS REGION
122812.4* 56.225N 163.981E  33N 4.2     0.6   9 NEAR EAST COAST OF KAMCHATKA
130302.7* 46.269N   9.927E  10G         1.3   6 SWITZERLAND. ML 2.4 (VIE).
130654.1* 61.299N 146.906W  33N         1.1   5 SOUTHERN ALASKA
140856.5* 46.725N 146.243E 300G 4.1     0.9  17 NORTHWEST OF KURIL ISLANDS
144053.5  45.759N 149.127E 156D 4.9     1.0  94 KURIL ISLANDS
161300.8?  5.59 N 125.57 E  33N 4.5     0.9  16 MINDANAO, PHILIPPINE ISLANDS
172737.8*  9.460S 155.355E  33N 5.0 5.0 1.2  25 D'ENTRECASTEAUX ISLANDS REGION
190226.2* 24.164S 179.644E 600G 4.2     0.6  18 SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS
190655.9*  9.467S 155.368E  33N 4.9 5.0 1.3  22 D'ENTRECASTEAUX ISLANDS REGION
204255.5  12.253N  60.891W  33N 4.5     0.8  36 WINDWARD ISLANDS
215307.9  19.078S 169.569E 249D 5.2     0.8 111 VANUATU ISLANDS. Mw 5.4 (HRV).
220949.4? 32.44 N 141.73 E  43D         1.1   7 SOUTH OF HONSHU, JAPAN
AUG 22
004600.4*  9.503S 155.559E  33N 4.4     0.8  21 D'ENTRECASTEAUX ISLANDS REGION
010900.6? 36.57 N  71.39 E 173?         1.8   9 AFGHANISTAN-TAJIKISTAN BORD REG.
010904.9* 36.588N  71.457E 200G 4.3     0.7  20 AFGHANISTAN-TAJIKISTAN BORD REG.
014455.8  53.180N  35.308W  10G 4.8     1.0  40 NORTH ATLANTIC OCEAN
020103.7* 38.647N  21.604E  21  4.0     0.6  10 GREECE. ML 4.1 (ATH).
021044.8  10.411S 161.287E  38D 5.2 4.8 0.8  48 SOLOMON ISLANDS
044706.9   5.604N 125.252E  79D 4.6     1.1  32 MINDANAO, PHILIPPINE ISLANDS
053541.1   7.114S 123.158E 584D 5.8     0.8  63 BANDA SEA. Mw 5.8 (GS), 5.9
060908.1   9.531S 155.355E  33N 5.1 4.9 0.9  30 D'ENTRECASTEAUX ISLANDS REGION
065559.2  50.888N 155.907E 104D 4.9     0.9  74 KURIL ISLANDS
071444.7* 14.596S  41.168E  10G 4.1     1.2  24 MOZAMBIQUE CHANNEL
075633.7* 33.875N  94.013E  33N 4.7     1.3  15 QINGHAI, CHINA
084043.6% 32.653S  71.596W  10G         0.5  11 NR COAST OF CENT CHILE. MD 3.7
134813.6* 59.575N 153.532W 137*         0.7  26 SOUTHERN ALASKA
173620.5* 11.127N 126.455E  33N 4.5     1.0  26 PHILIPPINE ISLANDS REGION
174637.7* 21.527S 169.092E  55? 5.1 4.4 1.1  42 LOYALTY ISLANDS REGION
180915.2*  5.520S 151.234E 100G 4.8     0.7  23 NEW BRITAIN REGION, P.N.G.
193709.3* 17.318S  66.759E  10G 4.8     1.1  19 MAURITIUS-REUNION REGION
200609.0* 24.191S  66.927W 168* 4.5     1.0  17 SALTA PROVINCE, ARGENTINA
210313.5   0.195S 125.037E  33N 4.7     1.1  32 SOUTHERN MOLUCCA SEA
212754.4  41.847N 139.322E  19D 4.7     0.7  33 HOKKAIDO, JAPAN  REGION
221517.6% 33.951S  71.267W  60G         0.4   9 NEAR COAST OF CENTRAL CHILE
222311.9? 32.66 S  71.83 W  10G         0.7  10 NR COAST OF CENT CHILE. MD 3.4
225534.1  18.818N 145.282E 214  5.0     0.7  83 MARIANA ISLANDS
AUG 23
002731.9& 45.582N 122.470W  11                9 WASHINGTON-OREGON BORDER MD 2.6
053319.9* 70.381N 132.598W  10G 4.7     1.5  17 BEAUFORT SEA
054635.8? 36.98 N  71.55 E 115? 4.3     0.9   8 AFGHANISTAN-TAJIKISTAN BORD REG.
080033.7  36.881N 121.417W  10G         0.8  56 CENTRAL CALIFORNIA. ML 3.0 (GS).
                                                Felt in the Hollister area.
081029.2? 37.49 N  16.68 E  10G         1.1   8 IONIAN SEA. ML 3.4 (ROM).
120112.6  61.016N 151.201W  88*         0.8  12 SOUTHERN ALASKA
120215.9* 40.504N 127.559W  10G         0.8  47 OFF COAST OF N. CALIF. ML 3.5
151159.6  65.096N 148.485W  15          0.9  18 NORTHERN ALASKA. ML 2.6 (AEIC).
175305.8* 18.905S 173.580W  33N 5.2 4.6 0.6  34 TONGA ISLANDS
195345.4  61.838N 151.874W 122?         0.4   8 SOUTHERN ALASKA
205758.2% 33.726S  70.417W  17*         0.2  10 CHILE-ARGENTINA BORDER MD 3.3
215605.0*  4.218S 104.325W  10G 4.9 5.5 0.9  40 CENTRAL EAST PACIFIC RISE
221856.4*  4.024S 104.211W  10G 5.0 5.4 0.9  34 CENTRAL EAST PACIFIC RISE
AUG 24
023822.4  47.440N   8.994E  31          0.4  22 SWITZERLAND. ML 4.1 (VIE).
070947.1* 12.191N 125.509E  10G 4.6     0.9  14 SAMAR, PHILIPPINE ISLANDS
100755.6  59.305N 151.708W  69  4.4     0.6  23 KENAI PENINSULA, ALASKA
140158.1*  8.533N  72.802W  22D 4.4     0.8  15 VENEZUELA
155850.5* 37.321N 141.923E  39? 4.3     0.7   9 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
AUG 25
022820.2% 33.048S  71.113W  66?         0.3  11 NR COAST OF CENT CHILE. MD 4.0
044513.4* 51.352N 177.751W  33N 4.6     1.2  29 ANDREANOF ISLANDS, ALEUTIAN IS.
070832.1* 51.980N 175.545W  74* 4.6     0.4  16 ANDREANOF ISLANDS, ALEUTIAN IS.
082720.1  35.102N 118.317W  10G         0.4  21 CENTRAL CALIFORNIA. ML 2.9 (GS).
090750.6* 51.263N 177.006W  33N 4.8     1.2  41 ANDREANOF ISLANDS, ALEUTIAN IS.
                                                Felt on Adak.
125157.8*  0.118N  25.810W  10G 4.7     0.7  11 CENTRAL MID-ATLANTIC RIDGE
140901.1   1.021S  78.547W  33N 5.0 4.2 0.7  61 ECUADOR. Two people injured at
        Ambato. Also felt at Latacunga and Pelileo.
161022.9  35.259N 121.121W  10G         0.9  54 CENTRAL CALIFORNIA. ML 3.0 (GS).
203325.7* 19.226S 174.202W  61D 5.0     0.8  38 TONGA ISLANDS
AUG 26
015129.8* 18.995S 174.340W  33N 4.9     0.6  37 TONGA ISLANDS
015402.6* 19.041S 174.359W  33N 4.7     0.7  26 TONGA ISLANDS
165218.0* 51.281N 176.660W  33N 4.6     0.9  14 ANDREANOF ISLANDS, ALEUTIAN IS.
195329.1   9.847S  74.685W  25D 4.8 3.6 0.6  34 CENTRAL PERU
AUG 27
021239.9* 13.529N  91.146W  33N 5.0 5.3 0.8  34 NEAR COAST OF GUATEMALA
062408.0  22.480S 179.853W 574D 5.4     0.9  75 SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS. Mw 5.9
063443.4* 22.463S 179.864W 600G 5.0     0.9  45 SOUTH OF FIJI ISLANDS
105048.9? 36.89 S  78.27 E  10G 5.4 5.9 0.5   6 MID-INDIAN RIDGE. Mw 5.9 (GS),
125537.8? 17.14 N  98.98 W  33N 4.4     0.9  17 GUERRERO, MEXICO
143638.7   7.072S  12.672W  10G 5.2 5.1 0.9  33 ASCENSION ISLAND REGION
212559.0& 61.500N 146.383W  26                8 SOUTHERN ALASKA. . ML
                                                3.6 (AEIC). Felt at Valdez.
AUG 28
160145  Q 10.5  S 161.3  E  33N 5.5     0.8  49 SOLOMON ISLANDS
171617  Q  9.4  N  84.4  W  33N     5.4 1.0  80 COSTA RICA
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Notes for Table 1:
       Origin time in the list is in GMT, in the text and on maps
       it is in local time.
       N RD: is the number of readings used to locate the event.
       N S: is the number of S waves in N RD.
       RMS SEC: is the root mean squared residual misfit for the
                location is seconds, the lower the better, over 0.3
                to 0.5 seconds is getting bad, but this is machine,
                not hand timed, data.
       ERH: is the estimated horizontal error in kilometers.
       ERZ: is the estimated vertical error in kilometers.
       N FM: is the number of readings used to compute the magnitude.
       REMKS: obtuse region codes that denote the velocity model
              used to locate the event.
       DUR MAG: is the magnitude as determined from the duration of
                the seismograms, not the amplitude.  Sort of like
                going to echo canyon and measuring how loud your
                yell is by counting echos.
       FIG: denotes the figure/event number in the maps posted separately.
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Subject: San Francisco Bay USGS Quake Map 8/22-28/96
From: michael@garlock.wr.usgs.gov (Andy Michael)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 00:16:17 GMT
Thu Aug 29 17:20:03 PDT 1996
The most recent version of this plot can be found
 here on the WWW
This map is associated with the USGS weekly seismicity report for
Northern California, the US, and the World.  Disclaimers in that report
apply to this map.  The format is GIF (GIF 87a, I believe) converted to
ascii by uuencode.  For more info contact michael@andreas.wr.usgs.gov.
DO NOT SEND EMAIL TO weekly@garlock.wr.usgs.gov  It will not be read.
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Subject: N. California USGS Quake Map 8/22-28/96
From: michael@garlock.wr.usgs.gov (Andy Michael)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 00:16:27 GMT
Thu Aug 29 17:20:04 PDT 1996
The most recent version of this plot can be found
 here on the WWW
This map is associated with the USGS weekly seismicity report for
Northern California, the US, and the World.  Disclaimers in that report
apply to this map.  The format is GIF (GIF 87a, I believe) converted to
ascii by uuencode.  For more info contact michael@andreas.wr.usgs.gov.
DO NOT SEND EMAIL TO weekly@garlock.wr.usgs.gov  It will not be read.
UUENCODED FILE BEGINS BELOW THIS LINE
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Subject: Long Valley USGS Quake Map 8/22-28/96
From: michael@garlock.wr.usgs.gov (Andy Michael)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 00:16:36 GMT
Thu Aug 29 17:20:06 PDT 1996
The most recent version of this plot can be found
 here on the WWW
This map is associated with the USGS weekly seismicity report for
Northern California, the US, and the World.  Disclaimers in that report
apply to this map.  The format is GIF (GIF 87a, I believe) converted to
ascii by uuencode.  For more info contact michael@andreas.wr.usgs.gov.
DO NOT SEND EMAIL TO weekly@garlock.wr.usgs.gov  It will not be read.
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Subject: World USGS Quake Map 8/22-28/96
From: michael@garlock.wr.usgs.gov (Andy Michael)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 00:16:53 GMT
Thu Aug 29 17:20:07 PDT 1996
The most recent version of this plot can be found
 here on the WWW
This map is associated with the USGS weekly seismicity report for
Northern California, the US, and the World.  Disclaimers in that report
apply to this map.  The format is GIF (GIF 87a, I believe) converted to
ascii by uuencode.  For more info contact michael@andreas.wr.usgs.gov.
DO NOT SEND EMAIL TO weekly@garlock.wr.usgs.gov  It will not be read.
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Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution
From: Leonard Timmons
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 21:34:24 -0400
Mike Noreen wrote:
> Replying to meron@cars3.uchicago.edu
> 
> : >>> Atheism is simply the lack of theistic belief.
> : >
> : >>What is theism?
> : >
> : >Huh? Theism is the belief in god or gods.
> : >
> : >Was this a trick question?
> : >
> : Not really.  I can already guess the next question.  What is god?
> 
> To which I would respond: a god is a supernatural being,
> 'supernatural' defined as capable of violating the natural laws of the
> universe.
If the natural laws of the universe constitute a consistent set 
of rules, then there will always be laws that we do not know 
about (G�del's theorem bastardized).  A being governed by these
laws would therefore be supernatural.  We would not be able to
discover the laws by which he acts, since they would not be
representable in the natural laws that describe our universe.
On the other hand, if you reject the idea that the natural
laws of the universe compose a consistent set of rules, then
they are inconsistent and "supernatural" has no meaning.
On the third hand, if you say that the natural laws of the
universe are infinite in number, then we can't know them 
all and "supernatural" looses its meaning once again.
If you look at the universe as a four dimensional solid 
(ignore one of our spacial dimensions and assign it to
time and you will get a good image), then maybe God is 
just some gal who can manipulate this solid like a 
child rolling silly putty between her hands.  Her actions,
to us, being supernatural since we cannot understand how
she can manipulate time and space like that.
I understand that some theories that explain the 
Hubble expansion of space say that it is topologically
equivalent to our 3D space being [on] the surface of 
an expanding 4D sphere.  To say that there are no
supernatural beings of higher dimension, you would 
have to say that there are no higher dimensional 
spaces of which our space is just a part.  This 
would be a sweeping statement even for a theist.
-leonard
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Subject: Re: Utter Futility of Arguing With Creationists
From: Gerald Tighe
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:17:16 -0700
Mahipal Singh Virdy wrote:
  
> Religions vs. Science? There's only one Science. And this isn't because
> science somehow lacks "imagination". Just read what real scientists
> post/write/think/... The deeper metaphysical question is why does Nature
> operate under the Laws of Physics we've identified? Remember, scientists
> aren't in the position of creating new laws --- they are in the business
> of discovering what the laws might be or are. So the metaphysical
> question is simply Einstein's: Did God have a choice in setting up the
> Laws of Physics?
> 
> Notice how Einstein's wording presupposes the existence of God.
Inherent in my belief of God as 'the' all powerful being is His capacity
to know what kind of Universe he wanted, and that He had the ability to
make choices.
For me it is then easy to see that he would create, or choose, the "Laws
of Physics" that would facilitate the creation of the universe He
wanted.
I would be glad if someone could expand,or reference this: "TLoTCoReason
thought experiment (TE)".
Regards
Gerald
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Subject: Re: grad school questions
From: Hal Heitman
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 10:08:22 -0700
Burke:
Take a look here.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/earth/
The one thing I really appreciated when I attended grad school there is 
the level of support that was offered.
Regards,
Hal Heitman
Burke J. Minsley wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm a senior in the physics department at Purdue University, and I am
> starting to look at my options for graduate school.
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Subject: My email box solved;Re: AUTORESPONSE Forgerers, Lucas,Bromage,
From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium)
Date: 30 Aug 1996 01:18:08 GMT
In article <5058vo$i9o@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium) writes:
> This message was automagically generated and sent to you because
> you posted a message to a *.test newsgroup, such as misc.test,
> and it made its way to news2.cais.net.
 As of this day, I have switched over to Auto-Select Incoming Email.
Thus, if you need to get in touch with me and it is important, you can
do so by posting to the Net and I will probably see it and then I can
contact you by email.
  Until electronic age can figure out how to deal with **Instant
Cash**, emailing you duplicates of what you post, emailbombing, forging
name to subscription lists, until that is solved the time wasted on
this nonsense does not equal the one or two useful emails.
  I posted before that I think over 1/2 of the problems of Internet are
the fact that edu and govt have free accounts. A local telephone call
is 10 cents. I feel that emailbombing and forged names to lists (in
fact these lists will dry up) will dry up if a 10cent charge was placed
on all "Send Key" presses. I feel that emailbombing and forged lists
are all a direct result of free accounts by edu and govt. Put a little
money behind an action and people all of a sudden act more responsible
and wiser.
  So the above AUTORESPONSE Forgerers Lucas,Bromage,Evens is the last
one of those that will be posted to the NET since my email box is now
longer open to all.
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Subject: Re: Dumb & dumber
From: Strebe@AOL.COM (daan Strebe)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:23:04 -0600
In article <5054os$mdc@dscomsa.desy.de>, vanesch@jamaica.desy.de (Patrick
van Esch) wrote:
|>Just to annoy daan, I'll jump into this thread also :)
|>
|>daan Strebe (Strebe@AOL.COM) wrote:
|>: In article <3225DA0E.63DE@raptor.lpl.arizona.edu>, Tim Patterson
|>:  wrote:
|>
|>: |>daan Strebe wrote:
|>: |>> 
|>: |>> population, this shows Europeans with their superior educational
system to
|>: |>> have produced: fewer Nobel laureates per capita, slower economic growth;
|>: |>> lower per capita personal income; lower standards of living, and,
in your
|>: |>> case, sophistry instead of reason.
|>
|>I don't really think it has much to do with any educational system.
|>The real reason I guess is the fact that the States play the card
|>of natural selection in the hard way: The spirit is: Competition.
|>If you're the best, you get it all, if you're not up to the game,
|>you're done, you can die on the side of the road.
|>Europe has, in general, a much more relaxed attitude, with more
|>social security, higher taxes etc...
|>Probably the hard competition spirit of the states will crank out
|>more achievers, because people are more motivated to do so.
|>It is the typical risk/gain trade-off.
|>I don't think an educational system plays a role of importance
|>in a society, once it achieves a minimum of standard.  AFter all,
|>most of the activities needed to run a country don't demand 
|>a lot of academic intelligence at all.
You know, I agree with all of this. Tell it to the bigot Kennedy. The only
thing I don't agree with is the comment about dying on the side of the
road. This country is far from being that harsh. A person can't live as
well off welfare relative to the median income in this country as he could
in many western European nations, but basic needs are, in fact, met. I
know people on welfare. They're doing fine. In fact, they're doing well
enough that they feel no compulsion to work.
|>BTW, I'm not so sure, but I'm doubtful about your statement that
|>there is a lower per capita personal income in Europe, I thought
|>it was slightly higher than in the States.  And economic growth
|>is a fluctuating quantity.
|>But I agree that I'm not sure about it.
I'm kind of tired of looking up statistics, so I won't this time unless
somebody just has to have the latest. Exchange rates fluctuate, and some
currencies are enormously over valued. But if we compare earnings to cost
of goods and services, which is the most accurate indicator of the meaning
of money, the U.S. outpaces any other economy by a considerable margin.
Canada and Switzerland are next, both with about 80% buying power, and the
other major economies in Europe, along with Japan, fill a fairly
continuous range below 80%. The UK is about 70%.
I appreciate your comments, Patrick. I think the whole argument was stupid
to begin with. Different people value different things... and Kennedy is
nothing but a bigot to be making unsupported statements about mythical
effects of mass media and popular culture on the supposedly inferior U.S.
educational system. People who are likely to contribute in a significant
way to society tend to educate themselves.
daan
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Subject: Re: If is it not posted at TechExpo it is not A Conference (ora
From: watson@ned.dem.csiro.au (David Watson)
Date: 30 Aug 1996 02:22:37 GMT
nahum-gat (oksi@cerfnet.com) wrote:
: It is true! See the TechExpo Calendar of science, engineering,
: technology, and medical/life sciences events at 
: http://www.techexpo.com
The 13th European Workshop in Computational Geometry
University of Wuerzburg, Germany, Mar. 20-21, 1997
is not listed but I think it is a conference.
--
Dave Watson              
CSIRO Exporation and Mining    email: watson@ned.dem.csiro.au
39 Fairway, P.O. Box 437                 tel: (61 9) 284 8428
Nedlands, WA 6009  Australia.            fax: (61 9) 389 1906
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Subject: Re: Asheville, North Carolina. Caves? Mines? Close mtns? 1-2 days
From: Dick Kehn
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 23:11:02 -0700
Xochi Zen wrote:
> 
> I'm going to spending a day or two in Asheville, NC, and was
> wondering if there were any interesting caves/mines/mountains
> within a short drive of the city... say, 30 mins or so.
> 
> For mountains, I'd rather go for views rather than a stamina test.
> An hour hike would suit me just fine.
> 
> Just read that the Smokey Mtns have 400-600 black bears. How do I
> *not* get mauled? I'm not so sure I should even go into the mtns.
> I'm used to the White Mtns in New Hampshire where there are very
> few dangerous critters.
> 
> I could stay in the area longer if only I could find cheap accomodations.
> I usually stay in youth hostels when I travel (can't beat $8-$12 a
> night!!!), but there don't seem to be any in the Asheville area.
> Does anyone here know of any?
> 
> I know there's a university in the city... anyone know if they operate
> any dorms in the summer as hostels?
> 
> For caves, a show cave would be fine, because I'm fairly new to caving.
> Or a beginner's cave.
> 
> Lastly, I was wondering if there were any inexpensive buses from
> the airport into the city.
> 
> Thanks in advance. I'd appreciate a quick response if possible,
> because I leave for Asheville saturday morning!
> 
> - Xochi / x@apocalypse.org
> 
> --
> |                  | "I am a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in          |
> | Xochi Zen        |  a tortilla." - Xochi Zen                                |
> | x@apocalypse.org |                                                          |
> <----------------------------------------------------------------------------->
Come on down the bears haven't eaten anyone in years
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Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution
From: meron@cars3.uchicago.edu
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 03:18:10 GMT
In article <32264520.33DB@mindspring.com>, Leonard Timmons  writes:
>Mike Noreen wrote:
>> Replying to meron@cars3.uchicago.edu
>> 
>> : >>> Atheism is simply the lack of theistic belief.
>> : >
>> : >>What is theism?
>> : >
>> : >Huh? Theism is the belief in god or gods.
>> : >
>> : >Was this a trick question?
>> : >
>> : Not really.  I can already guess the next question.  What is god?
>> 
>> To which I would respond: a god is a supernatural being,
>> 'supernatural' defined as capable of violating the natural laws of the
>> universe.
>
>If the natural laws of the universe constitute a consistent set 
>of rules, then there will always be laws that we do not know 
>about (G�del's theorem bastardized).  A being governed by these
>laws would therefore be supernatural.  We would not be able to
>discover the laws by which he acts, since they would not be
>representable in the natural laws that describe our universe.
>
I think you mix to different things here.  One is a definition of god 
and I would deem the one above to be adequate.  The other issue is 
operational, i.e. can humans, using this definition as a criterion, 
determine whether a given entity is indeed god.  The answer, IMO is 
no, just for the reasons you gave.  So, there is no contradiction.
In fact I would push it one step further and claim that no definition 
that can be used as "operational definition" in the sense mentioned 
above may exist since it would amount to having a rule allowing you to 
determine whether a given entity is capable ov violating any rule.  
There is a logical contradiction here.
Mati Meron			| "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu		|  chances are he is doing just the same"
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Subject: When the past is the same as the future in science
From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium)
Date: 30 Aug 1996 03:14:19 GMT
In article <501urb$7go@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium) writes:
>   However, some of geology, the other 50% is a science that does not
> study the past. Such as chemical analysis.
> 
>   Even some physics is the study of the past. Science studies of the
> past are never as important as science studies for the future. To study
> the early universe is not as important as to be studying how to make a
> room temperature superconductor. To study how the dinosaurs became
> extinct is not as important as to study how to reorbit Venus or Mars
> and make a second Earth.
Re: Uniqueness; fingerprints; 'Science of Place' Re: Mars rock
  I have been talking for some time on the Net the distinction of past
science and future science. Finding out the extinction of dinosaurs is
using science to understand the past. Searching for a room temperature
superconductor is using science and everything else for the future.
  Before I get off of track let me hit the conclusion here and all at
once. I believe, armed with the Atom Totality theory that there is a
possibility of knowing the past and the future in an instant of time.
Now this sounds like some science fiction movie but let me illustrate
what I mean. Science is heavily used to find out what happened in the
past. Witness the recent Mars rock of unravelling that life in that
rock. And there is future seeking knowledge in science, take for
example if you fire a rocketship and using the laws os mechanics we
with confidence know the future path of that rocket. In the Atom
Totality theory, as science gets better and better there is the
possibility that science knowledge of the past will join with science
knowledge of the future. So, ideally, can the past and the future be
all known? Can physics provide an answer to that? I think it can with
the Atom Totality. That as we progress from Element 94 Universe to 96
to 98 etc we can all decay back down to what I call a super neutron,
element 0. So, let us say the universe goes up to Element 114 Atom
Totality then by some mechanism unknown to me, but possible in nuclear
physics, that Element 114 which is the total universe can revert into a
Superneutron, a neutron with a lot of energy. If such a thing would
happen then the past will equal the future in that instant or moment
that the Element 114 Universe changes down to a SuperNeutron Universe.
  You see, god is an atom and the only things that exist are atoms. So
that time is merely the count and arrangement of atoms. Count of only 1
neutron is the beginning and it could revert back to a neutron and so
be the end, but that is another beginning again.
  The main idea I wanted to get out is the idea that in a Atom Totality
theory, the backward looking sciences, the detective sciences can equal
the future-forward looking sciences. This is possible with the idea
that a say Element 114 or any large number can revert back to a Neutron
Atom Totality.
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Subject: Re: Shift from UNIX to NT in progress?
From: Magnus Sterky
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 06:43:22 +0200
paul oman wrote:
> 
> I am trying to determine the degree of reality regarding
> the shift from networked UNIX workstations to Windows NT platforms.
> 
> Are you planning, thinking about, doing, this shift?
> 
> regards
> 
> paul oman
> p.oman@ix.netcom.com
We will move our UNIX SW to NT. Since it is designed as a TCP/IP 
client-server application, we will start with the client SW. We want our 
users to have a free choice for the server, UNIX ot NT, using the 
identical NT client SW. 
-- 
Magnus Sterky
sterky@algonet.se
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Subject: Re: Creationists prohibit GOD from using HIS method !?
From: addesign@interaccess.com (Jeff)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 03:28:17 GMT
johnt@haagar.jpl.nasa.gov (John Thompson) wrote:
>In article <4vv0uh$3b3@mo6.rc.tudelft.nl> maarten@cpt6.stm.tudelft.nl (Jong Maarten_de) writes:

>>I dunno the exact reference, but I think it was the bath in Salomon's temple. I'm
>>quoting from memory here -- I did a maths problem on it eons ago. The bath was
>>described as 10 'x' in diameter, while it was 30 'x' in circumference. O = pi*d,
>>ergo, pi = 3.
>>
>I Kings 7:23 (NIV translation)
>  He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits
>  from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to
>  measure around it. 
Obviously an early error in translation. I'm sure the original passage
must have read 31.415928 cubits. Either that or they inadvertently
measured a chord rather than the diameter. Or maybe the walls were
707964 cubits thick, and they gave outside diameter and inside
circumference. See how easy it is to rationalize from mythology?
Jeff/addesign
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Subject: Re: Could these be artificial structures on mars? (photo attached)Ro
From: syzygyjob@aol.com (SYZYGYJOB)
Date: 30 Aug 1996 01:18:00 -0400
Rory and Dawn Yang Smith---
I am a Fellow in the Geol. Soc of America and have published more than 50
scientific papers.  I have taught geomorphology at Appalachian State
University (along with a number of other courses) and remain 90% convinced
that the Face on Mars and nearby conical and pyramidal structures are NOT
natural features.  I was flown back to the Cody Convention on such matters
in the Fall of 1994 by the Hoagland group.  I delivered a paper on my
observations and was pleased that at least two other geologists were on
the side of an artificial face, and none opposed.  All favor a
photographic return to the Plains of Cydonia to settle the issue.  
Besides the books and videotapes of Hoagland, see the books by Mark
Carlotto, Astronaut Leary, and, especially, the carefully researched book
by Prof. Stan McDaniel.  Also a paper by geologist, James L. Erjavec is on
Internet: Geologist questions "differential erosion" at Cydonia.
Except for the sphinx, Mt. Rushmore, Crazy Horse and Stone Mountain are
huge humanoid images on Earth?  Why does NASA belittle the evidence as
well as the scientists involved with the structures on Cydonia? ( For the
same reason most government scientists have belittled the evidence at
Roswell.)   By JOB.
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Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution Survey Now Complete
From: gnewman@iglou.com (Greg 'Bonz' Newman)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 05:22:08 GMT
On Thu, 29 Aug 1996 03:44:29 -0400, david ford
 wrote:
>Michael Noreen on Mon, 26 AUG 1996, replying to david ford:
>Yes, that's right.  Let's do a thought experiment.  We start out with 2
>bears, a male and a female.  They mate and produce what?  Yes, that's
>right, bears.
 Bzzzzt. Wrong. Two polar bears cannot mate and produce a Black
(species, not color) bear.
 *BEARS* do not reproduce. *A PARTICULAR SPECIES OF BEAR*
reproduces. And that species CAN speciate and the NEW species
will NOT be interfertile with the old one.
 It is asinine to pretend that just any male and female bear can
mate, and to base your argument on nonsense.
> How do we know?  Genetics, my dear Watson, genetics.  The
>baby bears grow up and mate.  What do we get?  Bears.  They mate.  The
>result is more bears.  This scenario happens many times, and at the end
>of it all, we still have bears.  Why?  Genetics.  Contrast that with the
>theory of evolution, according to which it is possible for a race of
>bears to become a population of whales.
 If that had happened, the whales would still be 'whales', just
as we are mammals and primates.
And in which we and gibbons and chimps are primates. Mate two
primates, what do you get? A primate. Always. 
 You REALLY don't have a clue about taxonomy, david.
>> I can not say anything about historically unique event. No one can.
>Keep in mind that verse 1 is an introductory line (as when an essayist
>has an introduction at the beginning of his paper to help preview what's
>coming up). that briefly summarizes what's coming up, and verse 2 is a
>depiction of the frame of reference in accord with the manner of the
>scientific method
 I cannot 'keep it in mind' because it's not true. The two
stories are independent and contradictory.
>  Keep in mind context, grammar, and carefully examine
>the words, looking up specific identifications of animals in a
>concordance or Hebrew dictionary as necessary, etc.  Evolutionists, you
>have a chance to falsify creationism, and your work is cut out for you. 
>Hop to it.
 That was done well over a century ago.
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