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Subject: GPS/GIS Sales Position -- From: gob@bayarea.net (GeoWeb )
Subject: Re: Three Mars Missions to Launch in Late 1996 -- From: Linda O'Flynn
Subject: free GSA short course, grav-mag interpretation -- From: "Richard I. Gibson"
Subject: GRAVITY WAVEs' -- From: Manley.Hubbell@hubert.rain.com (Manley Hubbell)
Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution -- From: Volker Hetzer
Subject: Environmental Geology in Greece Summer 1997 -- From:
Subject: Troodos Ophiolite,Cyprus -- From: EAR4REA@leeds.ac.uk (R.E. Andren)
Subject: New Galileo Images From 2nd Ganymede Flyby -- From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Subject: Re: Three Mars Missions to Launch in Late 1996 -- From: dazz@iconz.co.nz (Dazz)
Subject: Re: Question on Fossil Preservation. -- From: Steve Fielding
Subject: Re: Crete & Santorini -- From: Steve Fielding
Subject: Re: Three Mars Missions to Launch in Late 1996 -- From: fabry@stout.atd.ucar.edu (Frederic Fabry)
Subject: Volunteers Needed For Science By Mail -- From: critual@aol.com (CRitual)
Subject: Re: A one-week tour of Utah geology -- From: cjones@mantle.colorado.edu (Craig Jones)
Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution -- From: Jerry
Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution -- From: vanomen
Subject: Landsat image translation software -- From: doug@idi-ut.com (Doug Munn - IDI)
Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution -- From: myers@netaxs.com (Paul Myers)
Subject: ANNOUNCE: Australian Minerals Exploration Technologies CRC -- From: David O'Brien
Subject: Need a Munsell chart; where? -- From: Phillip Bigelow
Subject: Re: Magnetic symmetry supports new ocean ridge model -- From: ba137@lafn.org (Brian Hutchings)
Subject: Galileo Finds High-Altitude Ionosphere at Io -- From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Subject: Re: What is the mass of the earth? -- From: SHANE PIKE
Subject: Re: [Q]Geoscience Web Sites -- From: james@sn.no (James Huang)
Subject: Re: What is the mass of the earth? -- From: S Krueger
Subject: Re: Tom Dibblee -- From: S Krueger
Subject: Pope votes for Evolution (was Re: Creation VS Evolution) -- From: Steve Jones - JON
Subject: Re: Three Mars Missions to Launch in Late 1996 -- From: sjlee@mtu.edu (quibbit)
Subject: Pamir Montains -- From: RIST@sc2a.unige.ch
Subject: Mystery Soviet magnetic pole? (1941)... -- From: pbs@iaccess.za (Jan Lamprecht)
Subject: Re: A one-week tour of Utah geology -- From: Rick Bolich
Subject: Re: Icelandic volcano under glacier -- From: Kjell Berglund
Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution -- From: Erwin d'Hondt
Subject: Re: Help me !!! -- From: Andy
Subject: Re: Pope votes for Evolution (was Re: Creation VS Evolution) -- From: mkluge@wizard.net (Mark D. Kluge)
Subject: Need some help -- From: Gustavo Pinto Basto
Subject: Katla, Iceland -- From: J M Flanagan
Subject: Chemical Equilibrium Model (MINEQL+) Available for Download -- From: ersoftwr@ersoftwr.sdi.agate.net (William Schecher)
Subject: Magnetic-Stratigraphic and Magnetic-loggin in sediments ? -- From: "John Friis Løndal"
Subject: Re: Magnetic symmetry supports new ocean ridge model -- From: "John Friis Løndal"

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Subject: GPS/GIS Sales Position
From: gob@bayarea.net (GeoWeb )
Date: 23 Oct 1996 13:37:33 GMT
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Contact : Mark Eustis
Address : 1170 Kifer Road, Sunnyvale, CA, 94086, USA
Phone :408-524-1624
Fax : 408-524-1500
Email : marke@ashtech.com
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hardware & software, GIS and CAD software packages, as well as GIS data 
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BS degree or equivalent required. EOE
Contact:
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GIS Sales & Distribution
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Sunnyvale, CA 94086
408-524-1624 direct phone
408-524-1500 fax
408-828-1995 cell
marke@ashtech.com
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Subject: Re: Three Mars Missions to Launch in Late 1996
From: Linda O'Flynn
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:17:55 -0700
Joseph Bartlo wrote:
> 
> Interesting.  This is not especially appropriate for this
> newsgroup, but perhaps others have wondered the same thing.
> What has prevented a human Mars landing similar to Apollo
> 11 ?  Spaceships have made the journey in slightly > 4
> months (perhaps less), and people have survived okay in
> near-weightlessness for over twice that long.  Thus, I
> assume adequate oxygen, water, and food would be available.
> Its rotation rate is very similar to Earth's.  Perhaps
> temperature might cause a problem, but energy for heating
> should be obtainable during daytime.  Its gravity is only
> slightly > than twice that of moon, so if escape speed can
> be achieved there, it should be able to be for Mars.  Do
> wind storms cause much of a problem ?  (So perhaps this is
> appropriate here).  I assume such would be an international
> mission, since the Soviets were nice enough about the moon
> landing.
> 
> Does anyone have info regarding that ?
> 
> Joseph
I'm working on a science fiction novel about Mars and my research 
indicates that maintaining atmosphere and temperature on the planet for 
any reasonable length of time would be big considerations.
Linda
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Subject: free GSA short course, grav-mag interpretation
From: "Richard I. Gibson"
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:24:55 -0700
Last announcement --
Intro to Gravity & magnetic interpretation
(emphasis on tectonics, basin analysis, hydrocarbon exploration)
this free short course for students is on Saturday, Oct. 26 at 
GSA/Denver.  For more information, visit
http://www2.csn.net/~rigibson/gsacours.html
Thanks!
Dick Gibson
-- 
______________________________________
Richard I. Gibson, Gibson Consulting
Gravity-Magnetic-Geologic Interpretations
P.O. Box 523, Golden, CO 80402 USA
Ph/Fax: (303) 278-0867,  rigibson@earthlink.net
http://www2.csn.net/~rigibson/gibcons2.html
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Subject: GRAVITY WAVEs'
From: Manley.Hubbell@hubert.rain.com (Manley Hubbell)
Date: 23 Oct 96 07:09:07
LET SSAG = Solar System Activation, Gravitationally
SET SSAG = Solar Systen Activation, Gravitationally
GET SSAG                                                   /\/op
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Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution
From: Volker Hetzer
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 17:57:23 +0200
vanomen wrote:
> 
> Matthew 7:1  Judge not that you be not judged.
> Matthew 7:5  Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and
> then you will see clearly to remove the speck our to your brothers
> eye.
> I may not agree with what some of these people have done or the label
> that they have given believers of the Lord Jesus Christ the Messiah,
> but we are all forgiven in the eyes of the Lord.
> However we are only forgiven if we confess our sins to Him.
> I don't cliam to be fundamentalist or right wing or .. or ... I
> believe the Bible.(period)
All right, I will confess my sins to him as soon as I'm dead and
standing in front of him.
I'll even admit of having been wrong about his nonexistence.
However, until I am dead, I don't think, it is worth bothering whether
your christian or any other gods exist.
Volker
PS: funny thread this, I hope it'll live long
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Subject: Environmental Geology in Greece Summer 1997
From:
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 12:21:17 EDT
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FIRST ANNOUNCEMENT: JOINT PROGRAM OFFERED BY THE UNIVERSITY OF
Southern Maine Dept. of Geosciences and Summer Session in cooperation
WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF THE AEGEAN ON THE ISLAND OF LESBOS, GREECE.
The course is entitled FIELD STUDIES IN ENVIRONMENTAL GEOLOGY. The course
RUNS FROM JUNE 23 TO JULY 11, 1997, FOR 4 CREDITS. ALLOW ADDITIONAL TIME
FOR travel. The course is offered at the introductory level and should
be TRANSFERABLE FOR SCIENCE WITH LAB CREDIT. CONSULT WITH YOUR HOME
institution. The course is also appropriate for Secondary School science
teachers. For further info and brochure e-mail: Novak@usm.maine.edu
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Subject: Troodos Ophiolite,Cyprus
From: EAR4REA@leeds.ac.uk (R.E. Andren)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 18:50:21 +0100 (BST)
I hope that there is someone out there who can help me. I'm soing my 
dissertation research on the Cyprus Ophiolite, and am finding it hard to get 
papers covering the general summary of the construction of the ophiolite 
including the post volcanic sedimentary cover close to the 
volcanic/sedimentary contact. If you have written such a paper, I would be 
glad if you could e-mail me on ear4rea@leeds.ac.uk.Alternatively, if you know 
where I can find such a paper, that is just as useful.
That's the main thing, but if you're feeling especially helpful, any 
information on MOR construction from the magma formation through to 
topographic expression of extrusives from side scans will be readily absorbed 
with gratitude.
Thanks for reading and hopefully helping.
Ross Andren(Graduate-in-the-making!)
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Subject: New Galileo Images From 2nd Ganymede Flyby
From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: 23 Oct 1996 19:01 UT
NEW GALILEO IMAGES FROM 2ND GANYMEDE FLYBY
October 23, 1996
The first Galileo images taken during the second Ganymede flyby on 
September 6, 1996 are now available on the Galileo home page:
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo/
The images include:
  o First Galileo stereo image of Ganymede
  o Nippur Sulcus Region on Ganymede showing some very interesting
    overlaying terrain
  o Image of Ganymede showing probable frost
  o The best and highest resolution image of Io taken by Galileo thus far
  o Image showing changing volcanic activity of the Prometheus volcano on Io
The captions to two of the images are appended below.
Ron Baalke
baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
Galileo Home Page Curator
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  P47961
  New terrain overlays older terrain, which overlays    
  still older surface, in this view of part of the surface of Jupiter's moon
  Ganymede, taken by the camera onboard NASA's Galileo spacecraft. Galileo  
  obtained the images that make up this mosaic when it flew past Jupiter's  
  moon Ganymede for the second time on September 6, 1996. An area about 54  
  kilometers (33 miles) wide and 90 kilometers (55 miles) high is shown.    
  Northern Marius Regio (the dark terrain at bottom), Philus Sulcus (bright 
  terrain at center), and Nippur Sulcus (bright terrain at top) are seen    
  illuminated by the Sun from the southeast (north is at the top). 

The key characteristics and relationships of the major terrain types on tectonically active Ganymede are seen at a resolution 16 times better than images taken by the Voyager spacecraft in 1979. At the bottom, the ancient dark terrain is seen to be very deformed by tectonic fractures and faults. An impact crater about 18 kilometers (about 11 miles) in diameter has been highly modified by faulting. More recent cross-cutting fractures and faults at center illustrate to scientists the sequence of events that have created the younger bright terrain. The lines in the middle left of the image are faults that are cross-cut by younger faults in the upper part of the image. The smooth band in the upper middle of the image may represent water-ice volcanic deposits flooding a fault valley. Clusters of small craters, representing ejecta transported from distant craters and re- impacting here, are seen in the middle of the photo. The images that make up this mosaic were taken at a range of about 11,620 kilometers (about 7,200 miles).

The Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA, manages the mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, DC. This image and other images and data received from Galileo are posted on the Galileo mission home page on the World Wide Web at http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo. Background information and educational context for the images can be found at http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo/sepo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- P47971 Io, the most volcanic body in the solar system, is seen in front of Jupiter's cloudy atmosphere in this image from NASA's Galileo spacecraft, now orbiting the giant planet. This newly processed image is the best and highest resolution view of Io produced thus far by Galileo. Galileo was about 487,000 kilometers (about 302,000 miles) from Io when this was taken on September 7, 1996, and Jupiter was about 908,000 kilometers (about 564,000 miles) away. The image is centered on the side of Io that always faces away from Jupiter. The color in the image is composed of data taken in the near-infrared, green and violet filters of Galileo's solid-state imaging camera, and has been enhanced to emphasize the extraordinary variations in color and brightness that characterize Io's volcano-pocked face. The black and bright red materials correspond to the most recent volcanic deposits, probably no more than a few years old. The near-infrared filter makes Jupiter's atmosphere look blue. The active volcano Prometheus is seen near the right-center of the disk. Scientists are noting many changes that have occurred on Io's surface since the Voyager flybys 17 years ago, and even a few changes in the two months since Galileo's imaging of Io this summer.

The Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA, manages the mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington , DC. This image and other images and data received from Galileo are posted on the Galileo mission home page on the World Wide Web at http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo. Background information and educational context for the images can be found at http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo/sepo

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Subject: Re: Three Mars Missions to Launch in Late 1996
From: dazz@iconz.co.nz (Dazz)
Date: 23 Oct 1996 19:08:35 GMT
In article <54dggi$29u@news2.acs.oakland.edu>, 
jbartlo@ouchem.chem.oakland.edu says...
>
>Interesting.  This is not especially appropriate for this
>newsgroup, but perhaps others have wondered the same thing.
>What has prevented a human Mars landing similar to Apollo
>11 ?
>
>Joseph
Hi .... I wish to add my thoughts why a human venture wouldnt be 
considered for a few years yet.
I reckon the biggest hold up for humans to visit Mars is simply the 
unknown. In saying that I mean if the pathfinder mission discovered toxic 
substances (just for example) OR even unknown substances would we still 
send an astronaut there ?, I doubt we would even return the pathfinder 
equipment (what kind of quarantine procedures are in place?).
Hopefully though the 3 upcoming missions will confirm that human space 
travel to Mars is SAFE, then I would assume it will definitely happen in 
the next 10 years maximum.
Cheers - Dazz
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Subject: Re: Question on Fossil Preservation.
From: Steve Fielding
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 20:10:13 +0100
In article <53b10j$11la@mail1.wg.waii.com>, David Frost  writes
>Hello,
>
>Can anyone give me some information on how best to preserve a fossil fish
>that I recently found at Lyme Regis, Dorset. It's not a brilliant example,
>the tail is missing and because I found it on the beach, the sea had got 
>to some of it first and there's only really an impression of much of it, 
>but the head and several fins are still relatively intact.
>However I'd still like to try and prevent it disintegrating further.
>The rock it's in is a very fine clay mudstone, it's very soft and 
>one of the problems I'm having is that as it dries out it cracks and splits.
>I'm trying to let it dry out as slowly as possible, I've got it wrapped in 
>cotton wool
>and newspaper but it's still starting to split.
>
>I noticed that as it dries, the fish becomes harder to see. Is there some type 
>of resin/varnish/glaze that I
>could use that would:
>       - prevent the fish from disintegrating further
>       - make the rock look 'wet' to make the fossil stand out more.
>       - not fade or yellow with age(or shrink/crack/peel)?
>
>I can't find any books hereabouts that suggest anything for this, 
>could anyone suggest a reference that I my be able to get hold of. (A publishers 
>name would
>be useful too, I'd like to get my own copy of a suitable book).
>
>Any help or advice would be gratefully accepted, thankyou.
>Please feel free to e-mail me direct.
>
>
>David
>
I've recently experimented with preserving a couple of completly
flattened ammonites from the North Yorkshire coast which were also very
flaky and inclined to disintegrate as they dried.
Firstly I made a mould from cardboard and cast a block of plaster of
paris around the sides and bottom of the rock containing the fossil.
This was to give them sufficient strength to be cleaned and later
handled. Also the plaster of paris sets fast but dries out over 24 hours
so the fossils don't dry to rapidly. I then carefully cleaned the
fossils up with a fine soft brush and scraped the surrounding rock and
plaster of paris back to give an even surface all round the fossil.
Having painted the plaster of paris a similar colour to the base rock I
left the whole lot to dry for a couple of days and then sprayed it with
a Dulux high gloss aerosol (the standard hobby type varnish spray). This
has actually dried semi matt on this surface and picks the detail out
quite well. So far they have survived several weeks without
deteriorating so I'm failry pleased as normally specimens like these
have disintegrated rapidly when I left them untreated.
Hope this is some help to you.
There is also a book called something like "Collecting preparing and
displaying fossils" which your local libray may well have.
Steve
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Subject: Re: Crete & Santorini
From: Steve Fielding
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 20:38:19 +0100
In article <325BB482.613@athena.auth.gr>, "Alexandros A. Chatzipetros"
 writes
[snip]
Hello,
I noticed your comprehensive answer to the enquiry about Crete and
Santorini.
Do you know of any information about Samos? I recently went there and
found a couple of interesting items near the beech at Kokkari. One looks
like a section of fossilised bone but is too small to identify (about
80mm long by 35mm wide and oval in section) the other contains several
tubular fossils largely filled with calcite crystals. Some of these
tubes are about 10mm diameter by 70mm long and are parallel sided
without any sign of tapering.
Any advice would be very welcome.
Thanks
Steve
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Subject: Re: Three Mars Missions to Launch in Late 1996
From: fabry@stout.atd.ucar.edu (Frederic Fabry)
Date: 23 Oct 1996 20:18:15 GMT
In article <54lqfj$d7@status.gen.nz>, dazz@iconz.co.nz (Dazz) writes:
|> In article <54dggi$29u@news2.acs.oakland.edu>, 
|> jbartlo@ouchem.chem.oakland.edu says...
|> >
|> >Interesting.  This is not especially appropriate for this
|> >newsgroup, but perhaps others have wondered the same thing.
|> >What has prevented a human Mars landing similar to Apollo
|> >11 ?
|> >
|> >Joseph
|> 
|> Hi .... I wish to add my thoughts why a human venture wouldnt be 
|> considered for a few years yet.
|> 
|> I reckon the biggest hold up for humans to visit Mars is simply the 
|> unknown. In saying that I mean if the pathfinder mission discovered toxic 
|> substances (just for example) OR even unknown substances would we still 
|> send an astronaut there ?, I doubt we would even return the pathfinder 
|> equipment (what kind of quarantine procedures are in place?).
|> 
|> Hopefully though the 3 upcoming missions will confirm that human space 
|> travel to Mars is SAFE, then I would assume it will definitely happen in 
|> the next 10 years maximum.
Did you write "10" as in "ten" or is there a missing digit?
I think that given the mission duration, _a_lot_ still has to be learned on
how humans handle extended stay in space, as I fail to see how a Mars mission
could last much less than 3 years (a bit more than the period between the
closest approach between Earth and Mars).
Note: The moon is a few days away, and we haven't gone there since...
I can't remember anymore, it's been so long!
Frederic
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Subject: Volunteers Needed For Science By Mail
From: critual@aol.com (CRitual)
Date: 23 Oct 1996 16:19:36 -0400
"Science education is one of our important obligations 
 to the next generation." 
 Dr. Andrew Onderdonk, Microbiologist, Boston, MA
Calling All Scientists !
THE PROGRAM
Science-By-Mail, a national pen-pal program that pairs children in the 4th
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Boston, and is designed to encourage kids to explore the sciences, and to
foster a curiosity that will stay with them permanently. Your letters of
encouragement, advice and ideas help bring the world of science closer to
the participants.
Twice during the school year, the children and the scientists will receive
activity packets containing materials and procedures for completing the
activities. This year's packet topics are "Simple Machines" and "Flight".
(You don't need to specialize in these fields to participate.) 
THE DIFFERENCE
Science-By-Mail succeeds because of the volunteers who write to the kids.
We continually hear from parents, teachers, and children who love the
pen-pal aspect of the program.  The children especially like hearing
anecdotes regarding scientist's schooling, background, and hobbies. 
WHAT TO DO
To volunteer as a mentor pen-pal for the 1996-97 program year, you need a
minimum of a Bachelor's degree in a science or technology related field.
Registration closes on Dec. 1, 1996.
Please call for a brochure at:
 800-729-3300 or 617-589-0437  or
EMail us at:  sbm@a1.mos.org
If you get the voicemail, please leave your fax number or address, so we
can send you the enrollment form.
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Subject: Re: A one-week tour of Utah geology
From: cjones@mantle.colorado.edu (Craig Jones)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 96 19:14:43 GMT
In Article <54jf2c$6js@qvarsx.er.usgs.gov>, jadamski@usgs.gov (James C.
Adamski) wrote:
>
>Greetings Aaron,
>
>There are a pair of books on the roadside geology of the Colorado Plateau, one
>was about the southern C. Plateau and includes the Grand Canyon. The other was
>for the northern C. Plateau and includes Zion and Bryce (both a must). The
books
>are similar to the "Roadside Geology" books, but is not part of that series.
>Sorry I can't help you further. My copies were "borrowed" years ago (I'd also
>like to obtain copies of these books if anyone has more info on them). 
>
>Good luck and have a great trip.
>
>Jim Adamski
>USGS Little Rock, AR
>Opinions are my own.
These were published by Kendall-Hunt and authored by J. Keith Rigby.  I'm
pretty sure these are way out of print (K-H killed their geology field guide
series some time ago except for Sharp's southern CA books).  They are more
precise than the rather general geology in the Roadside Geology series but
sometimes it can get a bit aggravating to pull the good stuff out from 50 or
so "Mile 12.1 crossing into the Kaibab limestone" entries.
Going across the whole state allows a lot of things to be seen.  With good
vehicles, you can visit the Henry Mtns. laccoliths, where Gilbert first
posited such intrusions.  You can get a decent look at some Mz thrusts in
several of the canyons along the Wasatch front; there's also a booming
angular unconformity along I-70 just east of Salina related to the end of
the Sevier.  In driving from Blanding to Boulder or Hanksville via Hite
Crossing you cross a marvelous monocline (Comb Ridge, a roadcut prominent in
The Monkey Wrench Gang) and pass through a lot of late Pz sediment that in
places appears to have clastic dikes (probable paleoEQ liquifaction
features) and in others was bleached along fractures probably carrying
hydrothermal fluids from the Henry Mtns.  If you like stratigraphy, keep
careful tabs on the late Pz as you drive from Monumnent up to
Canyonlands--these rocks were in and on the edges of the Paradox basin and
the varying strat is telling you about the paleogeography rather nicely. 
(Same advice--watch the stratigraphy--works well over much of the state,
e.g., going from the J sands in the east to the piles of shale near Salina).
West of Bryce Canyon NP is a great exposure of the Sevier fault to the north
of the highway--also some young volcanics associated with the fault.
Mineral and fossil hunting can be very good in western Utah--depends on your
location.  West of Delta are some great lower Pz localities; to the south,
west of Beaver is copper and sulfides.  The jumbled geology in the B&R; makes
it a bit tougher to pull out really exciting geology, but there are some
good thrusts and the contrast in the Cambrian between the west and east of
Utah are a great illustration of the old passive margin assemblage.
Other common features through the plateau country include erosional styles. 
Watch for sapping, which produces box canyons (Zion has some nice examples)
as well as hoodoos (e.g., Bryce) and badlands-style erosion.
There's a small petrified forest near Escalante, should you head that way.
Columns of rock--probably old spring deposits now eroded out or fossil
sandblows from the Mz (recently argued out here) are at Kodachrome Basin,
south of Escalante.  Some small thrust faults on the road between the
entrance to Bryce and Escalante have been discussed in the literature
recently--they are south-verging and might be related to the emplacement of
the Marysville volcanics to the north.  Those volcanics are rather
impressive--I haven't gone through the main core of them myself but have
heard that it is a good crosssection through a composite volcanic center.
If you drive near Thistle (SE of Provo) you can look at the big landslide
that dammed that river a few years back at the intersection of US89 and US6.
If you go through SW Utah, the inverted topography near St. George is
classic (caused by young basalts flowing down gentle canyons and then, being
more resistant than the surrounding rocks, becoming mesas).  Under those
flows are nice mudflat deposits of the Moenkopi with some interesting
channels (tidal channels?).  Another (probable) laccolith in that area is
the Pine Valley Mtns, which has some decent hiking trails plus views across
to Zion.  You can follow the basalt flows up to the north from St. George up
Snows Canyon, which is an interesting contrast (black basalts on white
Navajo ss).  Also, if you approach Zion from the SE (from St. George) you
get a decent look at the Hurricane Fault.
Just west of the Hurricane Fault is the Virgin River anticline--a very
pretty structure nicely bisected by the road (the river is in the core of
the anticline).
Angle across the NW corner of the state and you can visit the Raft
River-Albion core complex.  There are some specialized field guides for this
area--I haven't ever made it to the mtns, but the literature has a bunch of
good examples of core complex features from this area that should be
accessible.  Going out the north, say north from Vernal, you can see the
Uinta Mtns and the Uinta (super)group of pC sediments--rather impressive. 
There are some good exposures of the thrusts bounding the range on some side
roads west of Flaming Gorge--don't recall the guidebooks that would steer
you to these, though the 1x2 degree geologic quads are helpful (these are
available from the USGS fo r most of the state and are very handy on a road
trip).  Of course Vernal is near the quarry at Dinosaur.
Good fault scarps, including one offset of a glacial moraine, are along the
Wasatch Front near Salt Lake City.
NNE of Salt Lake City on I-80 are some good exposures of syn-thrusting to
post-thrusting conglomerates.  Peter DeCelles wrote a nice paper on these in
GSA Bull a year or two back--interesting interaction of the thrust motions
with the foreland sedimentation.
Oh yeah, another poster said to see Upheaval Dome.  Do see it, though you
might wish to question the classic salt dome interpretation--Gene Shoemaker
reinterpreted this as a meteorite impact some years ago and there might even
be some radial dikes related to impact stresses (there was a GSA field trip
out to this thing a year or so ago).  Moab Valley, though, is a wonderful
collapse graben caused by salt flow and dissolution.
South of Green River (UT) on the Green River's east bank is an artificial
geyser--somebody drilled a carbonate spring and the result now erupts every
few hours; the water cycles up and down in the spring every few minutes, so
it isn't a total loss to visit even if you miss an eruption.
There's a nice drive through the San Rafael Swell east from Castledale (SSW
of Price) to I-70 (first Ranch exit west from the entrance to the swell west
of Green River)--marked with the stratigraphy for eastbound travellers (also
a nice campground on the San Rafael River at the crossing).  They opened a
nice museum in Castledale recently.  Also some great petroglyphs on this drive.
More than you can hope to see--hope this helps.
Craig Jones                                    cjones@mantle.colorado.edu
      Research Associate, CIRES, University of Colorado, Boulder
WWW: http://cires.colorado.edu/people/jones.craig/CHJ_home.html
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Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution
From: Jerry
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 16:48:28 -0400
Paul Johnson wrote:
> 
> In article <326D8697.54DA@pilot.infi.net>, starway@pilot.infi.net says...
> >
> >John Robert Riddell wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <326990FA.5C29@primenet.com>, vanomen 
> wrote:
> 
> >>> [Pascal's wager deleted]
> 
> >> This a convincing argument.  Are You Hindu? Buddist?  Jew? Perhaps God is
> one
> >> of the ancient Gods that are no longer worshipped. What if we worship the
> >> wrong one? Will we be punished for worshipping the wrong deity? Should we be
> >> sacrificing babies to the Aztec Gods?
> 
> >> Please tell me which God you worship, and Why it is safer/better to worship
> >> him and not one of the others?
> 
> >Comments from Jerry:
> 
> >   As far as the individual is concerned all religions provide relief
> >from isolation in death. The individual goes to the respective Kingdoms
> >of Heaven and is absorbed by the group.  EAch individual thinks he has
> >achieved paradise.  He thinks he has achieved eternal life. The self is
> >lost into the collective. Time ceases to be.
> 
> And what is your evidence for this remarkable scenario?  I don't recall
> reading this anywhere before (even in the bible).
> Ans. from Jerry: In the Bible you see the judgement of Nations and Jesus callsupon his Church. This are collective entities composed of individuals. Thus the
general process collectivized the individual into the collective memory within the
mind of God.
> >Thus a split second in the world of the dead appears as eternity.  The
> >believers of all faiths happily fade into oblivion.  Thus for most, the
> >Kingdom of Heaven is a very short experience as we view the proocess
> >from the outside.
> 
> Wow.  Where can I view this process from?  It sounds fascinating.
> Ans. from Jerry: Only from the mind of God to your mind if God sp choose whichGod won't.
> >  NOw, the pit of hell is the same. [...]
> 
> >  Choose your religion.  If you choose none, then you have no collective
> >to enter.  You stand alone. Yet, in mercy you will be cast into hell and
> >eliminated instantly.
> 
> But you just got through explaining how it seems like an eternity.  Which is
> it?  And how is this merciful?  It sounds like the mercy of a medieval court
> granting me a quick death instead of a slow one (i.e. not very merciful at
> all).
> NO. It seems like eternity to the shrinking and slowing brain. The senses go numb.Thus the joy needs a normal time clock to respond.It is just a fade out. The same is
true with the pit of hell. You sense the pain and fade out.There is no continuing
thought. It is over. The outside observer sees the true picture. The insider finds
paradise or the pit of hell and fades out. Clock stops.Truly painless.
> >  Now, if you choose the Arrow of God from Moses to Jesus and choose
> >to follow his path, then you are eligible to be reborn upon the new Earth
> >as per Isaiah.
> 
> Hang on a minute! The original argument was from Pascal's Wager.  The next
> question was: which God should I believe in to win the wager?  You are
> bringing in stuff which will only be accepted by those who already believe
> in your religion.
> 
> Of course the truth is that the Invisible Pink Unicorns will impale the
> Christian Infidels during Rangnarock-a-rulong-a-rang-bang-boom.  So you must
> believe in the IPUs to be saved.
> 
> Paul.
> 
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Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution
From: vanomen
Date: 23 Oct 1996 15:24:04 -0700
That sad to hear... I on the other hand look forward to His coming and 
living and serving Him forever and ever and ever....  WOW what a 
thought.  Gives me goose bumps
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Subject: Landsat image translation software
From: doug@idi-ut.com (Doug Munn - IDI)
Date: 23 Oct 1996 23:38:44 GMT
We've just released a translater program which converts Landsat MSS image 
files into EOSAT FAST format image files for easy loading into image
processing programs.
This program joins our LTWG and NLAPS format translation programs.  More
programs are in development, we hope to have translators for all foreign
Landsat ground stations in 1997.  Presently working on Brazil INPE and 
South Africa ESA translators.
Programs and documentation are downloadable from the Internet.
Detailed information is at http://www.idi-ut.com/s-soft.htm.
Doug Munn
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Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution
From: myers@netaxs.com (Paul Myers)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 19:40:22 -0400
In article <326E9B59.D2D@primenet.com>, vanomen  wrote:
> That sad to hear... I on the other hand look forward to His coming and 
> living and serving Him forever and ever and ever....  WOW what a 
> thought.  Gives me goose bumps
Could you please restrict this kind of repressed/submissive homoerotica
to the appropriate newsgroups, like alt.sex.motss? Thank you.
-- 
Paul Myers                               Department of Biology
myers@netaxs.com                         Temple University
http://fishnet.bio.temple.edu/           Philadelphia, PA 19122
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Subject: ANNOUNCE: Australian Minerals Exploration Technologies CRC
From: David O'Brien
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 08:41:33 +0800
Keywords: Minerals Exploration, Geophysics, Airborne Electromagnetic,
Regolith.
The Cooperative Research Centre for Australian Minerals Exploration
Technologies (CRCAMET) announces its presence on the World Wide Web 
at:
         http://www.cs.curtin.edu.au/~david/crcamet
The mission of the centre is to develop and deliver to the 
Australian mineral exploration industry, dramatically improved 
(especially airborne electromagnetic) methods for exploration in
environments characterised by complex, conductive regolith cover. 
These methods include image processing and visualisation 
techniques.
The page aims to provide easy access to the centers publications,
partners and courses, and is frequently revised with announcements
such as employment opportunities. We hope that you visit the page
and find it a useful resource.
-- 
David O'Brien             |     http://www.cs.curtin.edu.au/~david
Perth, Western Australia. | Ph:(61 9) 351 3475; Fx:(61 9) 351 2819
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Subject: Need a Munsell chart; where?
From: Phillip Bigelow
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 17:31:21 -0700
Hey everyone,
My Munsell chart has apparently been permenantly
misplaced, and now I need one.
Anyone know of a good source of Munsells in
the B'ham, or less attractively, Seattle area?
Thx,
                   Phil
                   bh162@scn.org
p.s.  Are they still as expensive as ever?
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Subject: Re: Magnetic symmetry supports new ocean ridge model
From: ba137@lafn.org (Brian Hutchings)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 00:44:58 GMT
In a previous article, pjh1@york.ac.uk (Peter Halls) says:
what are the known figures for the amount that Earth must expand,
given inward deposition of starjunk?...  Carey's model doesn't assume,
as far as i could tell from this discussion, that
the *density* has changed; in any case,
we may be able to add more increments of stuff-acreting,
while the general trend is thought to be decreasing
since formation of Solar system,
with the inclusion of a ramscoop-like mechanism
to intake hydrogen, eventually producing heavier elements.
>collision zones.  Why do we *have* to have an 'expanding' earth to explain
>the oceanic ridges ... we cannot hope to understand the processes of the
>earth by taking one facet in isolation and rejecting the whole.
-- 
You *don't* have to be a rocket scientist.  (College Career Counselor
					     to me, again )
There is no dimension without time.  --RBF (Synergetics, 527.01)
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Subject: Galileo Finds High-Altitude Ionosphere at Io
From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Date: 24 Oct 1996 01:14 UT
Douglas Isbell
Headquarters, Washington, DC             October 23, 1996
(Phone: 202/358-1753)
Mary Beth Murrill
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
(Phone: 818/354-5011)
RELEASE:  96-216
HIGH-ALTITUDE IONOSPHERE FOUND AT IO BY GALILEO SPACECRAFT 
     Scientists participating in NASA's Galileo mission have 
discovered that the Galileo spacecraft may have flown though 
a dense, high-altitude ionosphere during its encounter with 
Jupiter's volcanic moon Io last December. This discovery 
suggests that Io's atmosphere is time variable and is made of 
volcanic gas lofted to very high altitudes.
     An ionosphere is a region of electrically charged gas 
that exists at the top of some planetary atmospheres. The 
surprising discovery is being reported by Galileo scientists 
this week at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society's 
Division of Planetary Sciences held in Tucson, AZ, along with 
other Galileo results, including remarkable new images of the 
planet and its moons. 
     "Sensors on the spacecraft found a very dense region of 
ionized oxygen, sulfur and sulfur dioxide at 555 miles on Io 
that must be pumped into that region by Io's relentless 
volcanic activity," said Dr. Louis A. Frank of the University 
of Iowa, principal investigator on Galileo's plasma science 
experiment. "Instead of being swept away by Jupiter's 
rotating magnetosphere as anticipated, the ionized gases 
surprisingly remain with Io," he said.
     "Passage of the Galileo spacecraft through an ionosphere 
was not expected because images of the volcanic plumes 
previously taken with the Voyager spacecraft indicated that 
the plume heights extended only to a few hundred kilometers 
or less," Frank said.  A radio occultation by the Pioneer 10 
spacecraft in 1973 indicated ionospheric heights only about 
30 to 60 miles above the surface.  "No one expected to see 
this at 900 kilometers' altitude," he added.  The difference 
between what Pioneer saw and what Galileo has observed 
indicates that Io's atmosphere and ionosphere are variable 
and may grow and shrink with more or less volcanic activity.
     The results may lend credence to previous theories 
proposed by Galileo project scientist Dr. Torrence Johnson of 
NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), Pasadena, CA, that 
invisible "stealth plumes" deliver volcanic gases to great 
heights above Io.   Io's weak gravity field apparently 
permits the invisible gases emanating from the volcanoes to 
reach extraordinary heights far beyond the lower altitudes 
achieved by the dust and other volcanic ejecta that reflect 
sunlight and can be seen in images, Frank said. 
IO ELECTRON BEAMS
     In a related finding, the energetic particle detector on 
the spacecraft measured intense, bi-directional electron 
beams that are aligned with Galileo's magnetic field in Io's 
vicinity. The beams are similar to those that impinge on 
Earth's atmosphere to produce aurora and also positive ions 
and electrons in Earth's atmosphere. 
     Dr. Donald J. Williams, principal investigator on the 
energetic particle experiment from the Johns Hopkins Applied 
Physics Laboratory, said the electron beams span the energy 
range of 15 kiloelectron volts to 190 kiloelectron volts and 
represent an energy deposition into Jupiter's atmosphere of 
up to one billion watts.
     "This is sufficient energy input into the Jovian 
atmosphere to produce visible auroral emissions," Williams 
said.  "These beams are a signature of remarkable particle 
acceleration processes that occur in the vicinity of Io - 
processes that are thought to be linked to Io's motion 
through Jupiter's plasma and magnetic field environment."  
Additional work is required to determine whether the beams 
play a role in producing some of the auroral emissions 
observed in Jupiter or if they are related to radio emissions 
that have been correlated with Io's orbital motion. 
     The electron beams also must have a role in maintaining 
the Io torus, the doughnut-shaped cloud of ionized gases that 
flows between Jupiter and Io, Galileo scientists said. 
Auroras in Io's atmosphere is one likely result of the 
electron beams, they reported, and the two-way electron 
highway that the beams produce between Jupiter and Io must 
contribute to some of the auroras observed in Jupiter's 
atmosphere as well. 
IO VOLCANO SHIFTING?
     Several images recently returned by Galileo show new 
details of surface features on the moons Ganymede and Io.  
One new image of the active volcano Prometheus on Io has been 
compared to one of the same feature taken by NASA's Voyager 
spacecraft 17 years ago, and shows that the plume is now 
erupting from a position about 46.5 miles west of where the 
hot spot resided in 1979.  It is not known if the plume 
source is the same or if the plume is now emanating from a 
new source.  Overall, scientists studying Galileo images of 
Io are observing that a wide variety of surface changes have 
occurred in the nearly two decades since a spacecraft last 
visited Jupiter's system.
FROSTED RIMS ON GANYMEDE
     Bright white areas seen around the circular rims of 
high-latitude impact craters on Ganymede in new Galileo 
images of that moon are likely water-ice frosts, Galileo 
scientists report.  Even though the Sun is shining from the 
south, the north-facing walls of the ridges and craters are 
brighter than the walls facing the Sun.  Images of regions 
elsewhere on Ganymede show more details of the remarkable 
juxtaposition of newer and older fractured and faulted 
terrain that characterizes so much of this big moon's 
surface.  A stereoscopic view of Ganymede has also been 
produced with two images of the Galileo Regio region (one was 
taken during the first Ganymede flyby in June and the second 
was acquired in the September flyby).  The image, which was 
computer-reconstructed by imaging scientists at JPL, shows 
new topographic information about the moon.
     Galileo science team members are reporting on numerous 
other new findings about Jupiter and its moons:
     The photopolarimeter radiometer experiment produced heat 
maps of the Great Red Spot on Jupiter, the day side of the 
moon Europa, the night side of Io, and both the day and night 
sides of Ganymede during the spacecraft's flyby of Ganymede 
in June.  The images of the Great Red Spot show temperatures 
of the atmosphere at the 250 and 500 millibar pressure 
levels, much like terrestrial weather maps.  The Great Red 
Spot is colder than its surroundings, consistent with earlier 
Voyager and Earth-based observations in which the spot is 
modeled as an anticyclonic vortex with central up-welling 
balanced by subsidence at its edges.
     The radiometer also produced temperature data for Io 
indicating a nighttime temperature about -375 to -380 
Fahrenheit.  The first midday temperature for Europa, -229 
Fahrenheit has allowed the radiometer instrument team to 
determine that the moon has a more porous or "fluffy" ice 
surface than the other moons.  Researchers said that such 
porosity indicates Europa's surface is covered with finely 
powdered ice grains. 
     The near-infrared mapping spectrometer instrument and 
Galileo's solid state imaging camera measured hot regions on 
Io including erupting volcanoes and individual volcanoes, 
finding temperatures between 296 to 656 degrees Fahrenheit. 
     On Callisto and Ganymede, the near-infrared mapping 
spectrometer found surface features indicating the presence 
of hydrated materials, or possibly carbon dioxide frost.
     JPL manages the Galileo mission for NASA's Office of 
Space Science, Washington, DC. 
The Galileo mission home page is on the World Wide Web at:
            http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo.  
Images from the mission are also posted on NASA's Planetary 
Photojournal at: 
            http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov
A set of five images described in this news release is 
available to news media through a fax to the NASA imaging 
branch at 202/358-4333. Photo numbers are:
Io in front of Jupiter:              96-HC-693/96-H-693
Changing volcanoes on Io:            96-HC-694/96-H-694
Ice-frosted crater tops on Ganymede  96-HC-695/96-H-695
Ganymede's Nippur Sulcus             96-HC-696/96-H-696
Stereo view Galileo Regio/Ganymede   96-HC-697/96-H-697
                         -end-
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Subject: Re: What is the mass of the earth?
From: SHANE PIKE
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:30:05 +1000
Ask geophysists and they will tell you. I know how it is done but right
now I cannot remember the equations.
On 23 Oct 1996, Ronald.X.from.Beirut wrote:
> Hi, this is Ray.
> I would like to know the mass of the earth and the way that scientist
> to come up with that number.
> Please tell me about your profession.
> Thank you for your respond
> 
> 
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Subject: Re: [Q]Geoscience Web Sites
From: james@sn.no (James Huang)
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 19:47:53 +0200
In sci.geo.geology, article <54k0hn$np1@worak.kaist.ac.kr>,
geochang@nanum.kaeri.re.kr (Chun-Joong Chang) wrote:
> I have read "Geoscience Web Sites [FAQ]" in this group long ago.
> 
> If anyone know, please tell me.
Try ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-hierarchy/sci/geo/geology
        James
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Subject: Re: What is the mass of the earth?
From: S Krueger
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:26:32 GMT
In article <54k4hp$j8i@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> Ronald.X.from.Beirut,
ahf2@ix.netcom.com writes:
>Hi, this is Ray.
>I would like to know the mass of the earth and the way that scientist
>to come up with that number.
>Please tell me about your profession.
>Thank you for your respond
Roughly 6 x 10^27 grams.
Simple physics, using the equations for gravitational acceleration
(Gmm/r^2). Drop a 1 kg mass in a vacuum, measure acceleration. G and
earth radius known. Solve for earth mass.
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Subject: Re: Tom Dibblee
From: S Krueger
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:20:06 GMT
In article <96102215340618686@cdmg.uucp.netcom.com> Ted Smith,
ted.smith@cdmg.uucp.netcom.com writes:
>GL>From: Glen Ledingham 
>  >Subject: Re: Tom Dibblee injured
>
>GL>I don't know how many quads Tom Dibblee mapped, but a compilation of
>  >some of his maps is available from the California Div Mines & Geology (I
>  >think).  Most of his work was in the Coast Ranges.
>
>GL>He is well over six feet tall, and he was sufficiently dedicated to field
>  >work that he is said to have carried a plank which he could lay across
>  >the back seat of his state car after he opened both doors and upon which
>  >he could then sleep in the field.  Not only did this give him an early
>  >start, but it allowed him to save his per diem and add it to his
>  >pitiable state salary.
>
>Well, he wasn't a state employee, but an oil industry geologist who
>later went to work for the USGS. Perhaps it was a pitiful federal
>salary. 
I have been told that Tom Dibblee's family was independently wealthy,
with large land holdings in southern California, so he wasn't mapping for
the money. He just loved the geology.
Most of Tom's maps are published as USGS Open File Reports. I once saw a
list of more than 60 15 minute quads he'd mapped in the California Coast
Ranges. Or should I say "compiled". He would typically gather all
published and unpublished maps of the area and then head out into the
field for weeks at a time on foot, often only taking a box of raisins or
a head of cabbage for rations. He was accomplished at living off the
land. Much of the geologic data on his maps comes from previous sources
which he simply compiled and field checked. On the maps of his that I
have used in the field, the majority of the strikes and dips are rounded
to the nearest 5 or even 10 degrees, largely because, as he freely
admitted, he would often map whole hillsides from the opposite side of
the valley. To his credit, however, you can tell where he actually went
by the more accurate strikes and dips along his traverses and the more
detailed mapping. I have been to places in the Franciscan melange,
however, where he clearly was practicing rock identification through
binoculars, as he locally has labelled white chert blocks as sandstone
and lichen-covered blueschists as basalt. On the whole, however, they
tend to be very useful maps, once you get used to his style.
It's hard to be too critical of the early mega-mappers like Dibblee,
however, considering the volume of output they produced, much of which
has yet to be remapped. And the available infrastructure to support field
work was considerably less back then. His reputation suffers unfairly for
his regional bias. To cover the ground you cannot map the details
everywhere.
Foster Hewett (sp?) was another of the mega-mappers who was active in the
Mojave region in the 20's, and he is frequently knocked for having mapped
entire ranges by riding his horse around the perimeter and projecting
faults up the valleys. But to average 6 square miles of reconnaissance
geology a day, as he did for more than a decade, requires that only the
major features can be documented. There was a lot of wide open country in
the west, and the USGS was tasked with determining what was out there. I
am amazed that these folks could get as much "right" as they did under
the circumstances.
Field geology was very different back then. At Berkeley, the field
classes would be broken into groups of 2 or 3, with each group being
given a week's rations and a strip cut out of a 15 minute topographic
quadrangle, and then dropped off at one end. A week later they were
picked up at the other end and graded on how well they mapped their
swath. It took a very different breed of geologist to undertake the
regional mapping required when we still didn't know what was "out there"
in the west.
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Subject: Pope votes for Evolution (was Re: Creation VS Evolution)
From: Steve Jones - JON
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:25:14 +0200
Volker Hetzer wrote:
> 
> PS: funny thread this, I hope it'll live long
Well now the Pope comes in .. this article from the Newspaper
     THE POPE said yesterday that Christian faith and theories about
     evolution were compatible, providing these were spiritual as well
as
     material in nature.
     The acknowledgment, made for the first time, was contained in a
     message sent by the Pope to a convention on evolution in Rome
     Scientists welcomed it as a major step forward in the Church's
project
     to close the centuries-old gap with the study of science.
     The Pope's message to the convention at the Pontifical Academy of
     Science read: "Today new discoveries lead one to acknowledge that
     the theory of evolution is more than a hypothesis."
     But the Pope said that of the two interpretations of evolution,
only the
     spiritual one was reconcilable with Christianity. "If the human
body has
     its origins in pre-existing living matter, the soul was created
directly by
     God."
Well this mean that all the Catholics have to now get behind the theory
of evolution. Its only the soul bit to go.
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Subject: Re: Three Mars Missions to Launch in Late 1996
From: sjlee@mtu.edu (quibbit)
Date: 22 Oct 1996 12:26:42 -0400
In any rate the time can be shorter if you accelerate more.  It would cost
more to get all the propellant up into orbit, but I think you could have a
faster flight if you merely increased your initiall acceleration for earth
(and of course deceleration at Mars).  Is there any possibility of making
fuel from material on Demos or Phobos so as to not having to lug fuel for
a return trip.  
Joseph Bartlo (jbartlo@ouchem.chem.oakland.edu) wrote:
: John Ladasky (ladasky@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
: 
: : 	Hmmm.  Really?  The Hohmann transfer ellipse between Earth and Mars
: : has a one-way travel time of 259 days.  It is my understanding that the 
: : Hohmann transfer ellipse is the least-energy route of travel within a grav-
: : ity well.  Also, all the trips to Mars that I can recall have taken at least
: : this long.  I have often wondered whether we would subject astronauts to
: : over a year of weightlessness (a round trip would be one year, five months!).
: 
: Can you say anything without saying hmmm ?
: 
: What were the 'Hohmann' transfer ellipses when :
: 
: Mariner 6 left earth 2/25/1969, arrived 7/31/1969
: Mars 3 left earth 5/28/1971, arrived 12/2/1971
: Mars 6 left 8/5/1973, arrived 2/?/1973
: 
: So the quickest I am aware of is about 5 months, but
: I heard that the time can be much shorter when the
: planets are closest together.
: 
: 
: Joseph
--
Not In Vain by Emily Dickinson
If I can stop one heart from breaking,     I shall not live in vain:
If I can ease one life the aching,         Or cool one pain,
Or help one fainting robin                 Unto his nest again,
I shall not live in vain.
	Stephen Lee           web page: http://www.wp.com/quibbit/
		email:  sjlee@mtu.edu 
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Subject: Pamir Montains
From: RIST@sc2a.unige.ch
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 07:59:20 GMT
Je cherche toutes personnes succeptibles de me donner des informations
au sujet de la région du Pamir, par exemple le nom et l'adresse de
responsables sur place (Universités, instituts de géotechnique, ...)
Vous pouvez me répondre:
RIST@sc2a.unige.ch
D'avance un GRAND MERCI !!!
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Subject: Mystery Soviet magnetic pole? (1941)...
From: pbs@iaccess.za (Jan Lamprecht)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 12:18:25 GMT
Mystery Soviet magnetic pole? (1941)...
I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this question...
I read somewhere that back in 1941, the Soviets announced the discovery of 
another North Magnetic Pole - somewhere near Russia. Unfortunately, I can't 
remember the name of the scientific journal in which this occurred. 
Elsewhere, I also came upon a reference to the existence of TWO magnetic 
poles (for the vertical component of magnetism only). I am trying to find 
out more about this - can anyone help? If so, kindly drop me an e-mail - it 
would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Cheers, Jan...
* Ignorant people think it's the noise which fighting cats make
  that is aggravating, but it ain't so; it's the sickening
  grammar they use. (Mark Twain)
* No one's life, liberty or property is safe while
  the legislature is in session. (Mark Twain)
* What do politicians and porn stars have in common? They're both
  experts at changing positions in front of the camera.
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Subject: Re: A one-week tour of Utah geology
From: Rick Bolich
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:15:58 -0500
And don't forget the Henry's!
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opinions of my own, in fact I have no life of my own except whatever
meager existence my employer will allow.   
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you look at it right."  The Dead (Scarlet Begonias)
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Subject: Re: Icelandic volcano under glacier
From: Kjell Berglund
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 14:43:13 -0700
Paul Tomlin wrote:
> 
> What happened to this news story.
go to the Nordic Volcanological Institutes home page at 
http://norvol.hi.is/
There you will find updates on the volcanoe
KjellB
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Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution
From: Erwin d'Hondt
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 13:18:09 +0200
On 21 Oct 1996, vanomen wrote:
> The only God that I know is Jesus the Messiah Lord and Savior of the 
> world.
And I thought He was the son who was send down by our Almighty God, so 
that makes 2 of them.
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Subject: Re: Help me !!!
From: Andy
Date: 24 Oct 1996 16:31:26 GMT
In message <845762085snz@jock.demon.co.uk> Ben J wrote:
: > What have the Vorlons ever done for us ?
:  
:  What the hell is a Vorlon????????? :P

You are not ready to know.

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Subject: Re: Pope votes for Evolution (was Re: Creation VS Evolution)
From: mkluge@wizard.net (Mark D. Kluge)
Date: 24 Oct 1996 16:29:44 GMT
In article <326F27EA.78BC@eurocontrol.fr>, Steve.Jones@eurocontrol.fr says...
>Well now the Pope comes in .. this article from the Newspaper
>
>     THE POPE said yesterday that Christian faith and theories about
>     evolution were compatible, providing these were spiritual as well
>     as material in nature.
>     The acknowledgment, made for the first time, was contained in a
>     message sent by the Pope to a convention on evolution in Rome
>     Scientists welcomed it as a major step forward in the Church's
>     project to close the centuries-old gap with the study of science.
What acknowledgment was "made for the firsst time"? Catholic acceptance of 
evolution has been widespread for many years. The problem was Church 
insistence on monogenesis, the belief that humanss are descended from a single 
pair, rather than polygenesis, which is favored by most scientists. 
Monogenesis is easier to reconcile with the doctrine of original sin. I didn't 
see anything on monogenesis in the article summary. So what exactly was 
acknowledged for the first time?
Mkluge
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Subject: Need some help
From: Gustavo Pinto Basto
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:58:46 +0100
I'm doing a paper on compaction:
- field control methods
- evolution of mechanical properties due to compaction
Can you give me some ideas on where to find some information ?
Thanks
Agostinho
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Subject: Katla, Iceland
From: J M Flanagan
Date: 24 Oct 1996 11:28:04 GMT
I have chosen to do a project for my Volcanic Hazards module of my degree
on Katla, Iceland.  I have been to this area, but my knowledge isn't
excellent.  I would be grateful for any information you could provide.
John.
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Subject: Chemical Equilibrium Model (MINEQL+) Available for Download
From: ersoftwr@ersoftwr.sdi.agate.net (William Schecher)
Date: 21 Oct 1996 12:13:07 GMT
Reposting of software availability:
-----------------------------------------------------
This is a notice to anyone interested in chemical equilibrium
software for educational and research use. MINEQL+ is now available
on our web site at :
http://www.agate.net/~ersoftwr/mineql.html
MINEQL+ uses the same numerical engine and thermodynamic database
as EPA'S MINETEQA2, but it is much easier to use and understand.
The user interface is a cursor-driven, spatial motif that is
similar to the tableau's used in Morel and Hering's "Principles of
Aquatic Chemistry." This motif also parallels the underlying ideas
within the numerical engine. The program is a DOS/PC program.
This software was designed as a research tool, but it has primarily
been used as an aid to teach chemical equilibrium modeling at the
graduate level. It is currently used in over 400 colleges and
universities.
The software is distributed in a freeware manner, so students can
each have a copy. The manual must be ordered and purchased
separately, but it too can be copied for student use.
Check out our web site for more information or e-mail us at
ersoftwr@agate.net
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Subject: Magnetic-Stratigraphic and Magnetic-loggin in sediments ?
From: "John Friis Løndal"
Date: 24 Oct 1996 19:13:58 GMT
Are there somebody who work with:
Magnetic-Stratigraphic and Magnetic-loggin in sediments ?
Trying to date sediments from the the paleomagnetic data without taking
sampels ?
Regards
___________________________________________________
Geologist and Geophysicist
John Friis Løndal
Tlf/Fax 045 8678 6210
Email : jloendal@post3.tele.dk
Homepage : http://home3.inet.tele.dk/jloendal/
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Subject: Re: Magnetic symmetry supports new ocean ridge model
From: "John Friis Løndal"
Date: 24 Oct 1996 19:13:53 GMT
Maybe I can help with "The whole truth about sea floor spreading" 
Please look at : http://home3.inet.tele.dk/jloendal/ov-20.html
;-)
___________________________________________________
Geologist and Geophysicist
John Friis Løndal
Tlf/Fax 045 8678 6210
Email : jloendal@post3.tele.dk
Homepage : http://home3.inet.tele.dk/jloendal/
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