Newsgroup sci.geo.geology 35846

On Wed, 23 Oct 1996, Volker Hetzer wrote:
> All right, I will confess my sins to him as soon as I'm dead and
> standing in front of him.
> I'll even admit of having been wrong about his nonexistence.
> However, until I am dead, I don't think, it is worth bothering whether
> your christian or any other gods exist.
I have to interject, sorry.  Even though I agree with both sides in my own
way, I just have to say that your argument here is very weak.  How could
you repent when you're dead?  The very nature of dead is not-alive.  In
order to speak or to think, you must be alive, because thought is life.
So you can't even think in order to confess once you're dead.  But that
doesn't mean you won't exist eternally, in relation to how you lived your
life.
>
> Volker
> PS: funny thread this, I hope it'll live long
>
>
Yes, and long live the non-existence of god as well!
kris.

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Jerry  wrote:
>Landis D. Ragon wrote:
>> 
>> mark friesel  wrote:
>> 
>> >>Jim Sheckard  wrote:
>> 
>> > 'E-M waves have no mass, but cannot
>> >travel faster than the speed of light.'
>> 
>> >What do you mean no mass?
>> 
>> They're not Catholic.
>> 
>> ie..
>> 
>> Electrons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic!Comments from Jerry:
>   E-M waves have no rest mass, however E-M waves can and do travel faster than the
>speed of light.At our light speed universe our E-M waves are limited. However when
>we look att the whole light speed spectrum, we see that there are many light speed
>universes up to Godspeed. At the most extreme light speeds, no neutrons are formed
>and no coexisting universes are produced.The entire universe at Godspeed is no larger
>than a single human brain. Thus at Godspeed it takes a split second to cross our
>entire universe. Ultimately we all live within the mind of God whether we choose to
>believe it or not.
Jerry! It was a JOKE! get it? MASS? CATHOLIC? 
Never mind, why do I even bother to explaim humor to Jerry?

twister@river.it.gvsu.edu wrote:
> 
> >I'm working on a science fiction novel about Mars and my research
> >indicates that maintaining atmosphere and temperature on the planet for
> >any reasonable length of time would be big considerations.
> 
>         Well actually from all the research I have done it is in my best
> understanding that Mars could hold an atmosphere.  Matter of fact it could
> hold an Earthlike atmosphere.  The only thing that we would need to do is
> increase its rotation and thus increase its overall gravity to at least 0.9 G
> so that it could effectively hold the atmosphere in check like Earth does.
Infact increasing the rotation will slightly decrease the gravity.
>         Once this is done then melting the Polar Icecaps to obtain water and O2 as
> well as many other things would not be a problem.  Also, we could milk Earth
> for some of her water ( heck, we have enough of it ) and purify it, then place
> it on Mars to replace all the water that was lost so long ago.  AND, if we
Actually all the water from previous ages may still be stored in the
permafrost 
and could be released if you could heat the planet enough. I think there
are some
people at NASA working on these types of problems.
Mat Collins

Kris Schumacher wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 23 Oct 1996, Volker Hetzer wrote:
> 
> > All right, I will confess my sins to him as soon as I'm dead and
> > standing in front of him.
> > I'll even admit of having been wrong about his nonexistence.
> > However, until I am dead, I don't think, it is worth bothering whether
> > your christian or any other gods exist.
> 
> I have to interject, sorry.  Even though I agree with both sides in my own
> way, I just have to say that your argument here is very weak.  How could
> you repent when you're dead? 
Comments from Jerry. The dead do not know that they are dead. They live
within the memory of themeselves in the world of yesterday across the
space time barrier. They do not think fresh thought but remain within
themselves reviewing their lives. They feel with remembered feelings as
well. Thus the dead do exist in a mind lock loop.It is a sad state
of existence.
 The very nature of dead is not-alive.  In
> order to speak or to think, you must be alive, because thought is life.
Comments from Jerry: In the initial state of death you stand alone.If
you enter the Kingdom of Heaven you will be able to speak. The energy
of God and God's time clock takes you from the solitary existence to
a state where you react with others.This process is the same in the
various Kingdoms of Heaven or the pit of hell. The self becomes part 
of the collective as the memory of you becomes the memory of all.
> So you can't even think in order to confess once you're dead.  But that
> doesn't mean you won't exist eternally, in relation to how you lived your
> life.
> Comments from Jerry:  In the world of the dead you will be able tocommunicate with loved ones who will reappear out of collective memory.
Thus those entering the highest Kingdoms will see loved ones again. The
period of existence outside of the collective in general is small.New
arrivals will see their loved ones and then all will return to the
collective state.You will be able to see your mother and father, your
children, your wife and others. 
   However, those who enter the pit of hell are collectived rather
rapidly and the entire intelligence of the group is reduced to that 
less than a single worm. Thus hell does not afford many benefits 
although it is a blessing as compared to self isolation.Prior to Jesus
hell was hell. But Jesus cleaned up the process and no one is tortured
in hell. It is a quick merciful end. So fast that few even realize that
their space time soul is being discharged rapidly into nothingness.
> >
> > Volker
> > PS: funny thread this, I hope it'll live long
> >
> >
> 
> Yes, and long live the non-existence of god as well!
> 
> kris. Comments from Jerry: Have a Good day. And yes some people confess to
God and are saved after they are dead.There are the elite of God such
as astronomers who serve God daily in their work. They are necessary for
the salvation of all upon the new Earth as per Isaiah.

On 21 Oct 1996 20:40:04 GMT, jcorn@unlgrad1.unl.edu (James F Cornwall) wrote:
>-vanomen (vanomen@primenet.com) wrote:
>-: The only God that I know is Jesus the Messiah Lord and Savior of the 
>-: world.
>-My personal favorite is Cthulhu.
>-Followed closely by Vishnu, Destroyer of Worlds.
>-They just have cool names and a definite attitude.  8-)
I'll take Quetalcoatl. Never met a piece of chocolate I didn't like!
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Do you know that weary feeling  when your mind is strangely strangled
and your head is like a ball of wool  that's very, very tangled;
and the tempo of your thinking  must be lenient and mild,
as though you were explaining  to a very little child.
                                   Piet Hein, 1970
--------------------------

You continue to post this announcement, for which I am partially
apprecative.  Hoevever, your web site, the last I looked has no TELEPHONE
number or other method save USMail for ordering the documentation.  Go
figure, web site, usenet, and then crippled document acquisition.  How
about at least posting the PRICE and TAX and such so that TWO mailings are
not required!
In article <54fpcj$e80@service-2.agate.net>,
ersoftwr@ersoftwr.sdi.agate.net (William Schecher) wrote:
>Reposting of software availability:
>-----------------------------------------------------
>This is a notice to anyone interested in chemical equilibrium
>software for educational and research use. MINEQL+ is now available
>on our web site at :
>
>http://www.agate.net/~ersoftwr/mineql.html
>
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>as EPA'S MINETEQA2, but it is much easier to use and understand.
>The user interface is a cursor-driven, spatial motif that is
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>within the numerical engine. The program is a DOS/PC program.
>
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>been used as an aid to teach chemical equilibrium modeling at the
>graduate level. It is currently used in over 400 colleges and
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>
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>
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-- 
Jim

Dear Colleagues,
Please stop the "Space Commercialization Promotion Act of 1996".  This
is another multi-million dollar loss for American science and education
where:
1.  the public buys the satellite (e.g. Landsat), 
2.  NASA gives away the satellite to one company because it is "too
expensive" to distribute the data,
3.  the company sells the data to the public at exorbitant prices,
4.  NASA finds plenty of money to build yet another satellite.
The initial EOSAT monopoly was a failure.  They simply dropped the MSS
transmissions that are crucial to global change studies when they were
no longer commercially viable.  They failed to capitalize Landsat-7. 
Worse, after 22 years of monopolized remote sensing it is still an
exclusive  industry that locks out small businesses.
Education and research also suffer from the government funded monopoly
on earth surface process satellite data.  Data for the surface of Mars
are free.  Data for Earth's atmosphere are free.  However, most of us
live on the Earth's surface.  Why are publicly funded satellite data for
our own planet's surface so expensive?
Whereas the Land Remote Sensing Act of 1992 opened the door to free
public access to NASA satellite data, the current industry monopoly has
succeeded in pushing a major ammendment ("Space Commercialization
Promotion Act of 1996") through the U.S. House of Representatives that
would prohibit NASA from distributing free satellite data for Earth!  We
can stop it in the Senate and in the White House with your help.
Please help us stop the "commercialization" of publicly funded
satellites now.  Low cost data would promote wide application of space
technology and lower the entry costs for users and small businesses. 
How can one start a remote sensing industry in the face of a monopoly on
raw material?
Please protest the act your senator at 
http://www.senate.gov
and the president, vice president, and first lady at 
president@whitehouse.gov
vice.president@whitehouse.gov
first.lady@whitehouse.gov
Please forward this message.

Landis D. Ragon wrote:
> 
> Jerry  wrote:
> 
> >Landis D. Ragon wrote:
> >>
> >> mark friesel  wrote:
> >>
> >> >>Jim Sheckard  wrote:
> >>
> >> > 'E-M waves have no mass, but cannot
> >> >travel faster than the speed of light.'
> >>
> >> >What do you mean no mass?
> >>
> >> They're not Catholic.
> >>
> >> ie..
> >>
> >> Electrons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic!Comments from Jerry:
> >   E-M waves have no rest mass, however E-M waves can and do travel faster than the
> >speed of light.At our light speed universe our E-M waves are limited. However when
> >we look att the whole light speed spectrum, we see that there are many light speed
> >universes up to Godspeed. At the most extreme light speeds, no neutrons are formed
> >and no coexisting universes are produced.The entire universe at Godspeed is no larger
> >than a single human brain. Thus at Godspeed it takes a split second to cross our
> >entire universe. Ultimately we all live within the mind of God whether we choose to
> >believe it or not.
> 
> Jerry! It was a JOKE! get it? MASS? CATHOLIC?
> 
> Never mind, why do I even bother to explaim humor to Jerry?Comments from Jerry: 
  I am sorry for not catching that. I do have a lot of humor. Otherwise I would go
completely mad. At times I laugh like a seal. Often, I get almost hysterical in my
laughter.My family needs a lot of humor too to put up with me. Some of the comments
here get me hysterical.

twister@river.it.gvsu.edu wrote:
> 
> >I'm working on a science fiction novel about Mars and my research
> >indicates that maintaining atmosphere and temperature on the planet for
> >any reasonable length of time would be big considerations.
> 
>         Well actually from all the research I have done it is in my best
> understanding that Mars could hold an atmosphere.  Matter of fact it could
> hold an Earthlike atmosphere.  The only thing that we would need to do is
> increase its rotation and thus increase its overall gravity to at least 0.9 G
> so that it could effectively hold the atmosphere in check like Earth does.
This is simply wrong.
Increasing the rotation rate would "decrease" the G force not increase it.
>         Once this is done then melting the Polar Icecaps to obtain water and O2 as
> well as many other things would not be a problem.  Also, we could milk Earth
> for some of her water ( heck, we have enough of it ) and purify it, then place
> it on Mars to replace all the water that was lost so long ago.  AND, if we
> wanted to get so brave, we could also work on a mission out to Uranus,
> Neptune, and Pluto (if it is still there) and find a way to tow them into a
> lower solar orbit.  Then you mine them for all of the ice on them ( yes they
> are ice planets ) and the minerals as well and within 50-75 years you would
> have a livable, terriformed planet ready for farming and colonization.
> 
>         Please note though that this is based on my research only as a writer and a
> hobbiest and not stone hard facts.  I recommend that you do your own research
> into this and make your own opinions on this.
-- 
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In article <32708F13.41C6@atm.ox.ac.uk>, collins@atm.ox.ac.uk (Matthew 
Collins) says...
>
>twister@river.it.gvsu.edu wrote:
>> 
>>         Well actually from all the research I have done it is in my best
>> understanding that Mars could hold an atmosphere.  Matter of fact it 
could
>> hold an Earthlike atmosphere.  The only thing that we would need to do is
>> increase its rotation and thus increase its overall gravity to at least 
0.9 G
>> so that it could effectively hold the atmosphere in check like Earth 
does.
>
>Infact increasing the rotation will slightly decrease the gravity.
> 
Well, to be really, really pedantic changing the rotation wouldn't affect 
the gravity at all.
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 These opinions have not been passed by seven committes, eleven
sub-committees, six STP working parties and a continuous improvement
 team. So there's no way they could be the opinions of my employer.

In article , 
s1045099@iplabs.ins.gu.edu.au (s1045099@iplabs.ins.gu.edu.au) says...
>
>In article  S Krueger  writes:
>
>>Roughly 6 x 10^27 grams.
>
>>Simple physics, using the equations for gravitational acceleration
>>(Gmm/r^2). Drop a 1 kg mass in a vacuum, measure acceleration. G and
>>earth radius known. Solve for earth mass.
>
>But wasn't the value of the gravitational constant G (not g) in that 
equation 
>derived by solving using the known Earth's mass and another 1kg mass and 
>measuring acceleration.  So how do you weigh the Earth without G?
>How did find the relationship between G and the Earth's mass  in the first 
>place?
>
Nope. G is determined by measuring the attractive force between two bodies 
of known mass. The person who first did it (can't remember their name just 
now) used a mountain (in Scotland??) as one mass. This particular mountain 
had a nice conical shape which made its mass easier to estimate.
Once you've calculated G it's then trivial to calculate the mass of the 
Earth.
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 These opinions have not been passed by seven committes, eleven
sub-committees, six STP working parties and a continuous improvement
 team. So there's no way they could be the opinions of my employer.

Erik Loehr  wrote in article
<32703612.5DFD@mail.utexas.edu>...
> Andrew Heiz wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > A few years ago, while I was working at an environmental consultant, I
> > was in charge of making groundwater contour maps using Surfer. I'm
> > looking to purchase the software myself but I don't know where to get
> > it.
> > 
> > If you know of a good product or where to find Surfer please send the
> > information to me.
> 
> Surfer is produced by:
>  
> Golden Software, Inc.
> 809 14th St.
> Golden, CO  80401-1866
> phone:  303-279-1021
http://www.golden.com/golden/

>>> If the single dilating cell hypothesis can be confirmed by analysis of
>>> spreading rates on all paired flanks worldwide, then the reign of plate
>>> tectonics would be at an end, with earth expansion becoming the new
>>> ruling hypothesis.  
For nearly twenty years people have been *directly measuring* 
plate motions with 1 cm/year accuracy, first by comparing pulsar
timings at multiple sites and later with GPS data. Plates move.
The Earth is not expanding. End of story. Sheesh.

In <326F27EA.78BC@eurocontrol.fr> Steve Jones - JON
 writes: 
>
>Volker Hetzer wrote:
>> 
>> PS: funny thread this, I hope it'll live long
>
>Well now the Pope comes in .. this article from the Newspaper
>
>     THE POPE said yesterday that Christian faith and theories about
>     evolution were compatible, providing these were spiritual as well
>as
>     material in nature.
>
>     The acknowledgment, made for the first time, was contained in a
>     message sent by the Pope to a convention on evolution in Rome
>     Scientists welcomed it as a major step forward in the Church's
>project
>     to close the centuries-old gap with the study of science.
>
>     The Pope's message to the convention at the Pontifical Academy of
>     Science read: "Today new discoveries lead one to acknowledge that
>     the theory of evolution is more than a hypothesis."
>
>     But the Pope said that of the two interpretations of evolution,
>only the
>     spiritual one was reconcilable with Christianity. "If the human
>body has
>     its origins in pre-existing living matter, the soul was created
>directly by
>     God."
>
>Well this mean that all the Catholics have to now get behind the
theory
>of evolution. Its only the soul bit to go.
Speaking as a Catholic boy raised in the midwest (US), I can tell you
that the Church never once pushed for creationism of any kind.  We were
taught (and this is 25 years ago) that the stories in the Bible were
allegorical and designed purely as teaching stories; fables, if you
like.
We were taught religion right after we went to science class and
learned about dinosaurs.  None of us thought it was all that odd or
that sprirituality was antithetical to science.
Doug