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Subject: notes on the structure of reality - article 1
From: gary.forbat@hotlinebbs.com.au (Gary Forbat)
Date: 20 Nov 96 10:57:15
Notes on the Structure of Reality.      article 1.  
by Gary Forbat
Copyright (C) G. Forbat  1996
In these times of constant change and rapid development it is not often 
that we have time to reflect on the fundamental questions about reality. 
Descartes had long ago brought attention to our personal consciousness
as the first evidence for reality. We find ourselves in a world of 
perceptions, and the phenomena we become aware of, as presented by the 
senses, indicates some sort of regularity in the world that appears
on the outside of this introspection. As we now know, there is a huge 
gap between Descartes' proposition and the 'outer' reality. To arrive
at some sort of plausible affirmation of an objective material world
outside our consciousness requires one to follow a fairly long and 
sometimes arduous sequence of arguments, with serious challenges along 
the way posed by sceptics who criticise the validity of our methodology 
and logical approach, phenomenalist who reject the 'outer' world 
altogether, and others among who are those who claim that whilst an 
'outer' reality exists, our images of it represent something quite 
unlike what they seem at face value to be. At this stage I will not get 
involved in these debates other than to mention that after having 
considered all these contrary views and the arguments put forth to 
support them, I duly dismissed them in favour of the scientific realism 
I espouse. 
My aim at present is to provide a fairly conscise outline of a theory 
of reality which can deal with most of the deeper questions that have 
so far eluded us. The starting point I choose is where the philosophical 
enquiry leaves off: with the affirmation of the existence of the physical 
world, that is, a reality on the outside of consciousness exists and 
our sense impressions of it bears a close representative correspondence 
to the way things are in it. These may be said to be the initial 
presuppositions of the theory, though I emphasise again to have already
critically evaluated them. Apart from this beginning I wish to make no 
further assumptions, and will continue onward and draw all further 
conclusions from well established observational premises. 
As things stand, there is so far only an affirmation of the material 
world of physicality, but there is nothing yet derived about its 
specific nature. The first task would be to find its most general 
features. At this stage we are looking for the broadest parameters. 
Fortunately nowadays there is a sizeable body of scientifically 
established observational evidence we may draw on to establish the  
common features apparent in all. It is important though to treat this
evidence in its 'raw' state, free from theoretical presuppositions 
other than those involved in the establishment of the fact of the 
observation. If it is not clear enough as to what this 'uninterpreted' 
state of the evidence consists of, it should become obvious as I 
proceed. 
In considering the entire body of observational evidence, perhaps the 
first and most obvious common feature is the presence of three 
dimensionality. A little thought about its continuity and endurance
can add the fourth time dimension in fusion with it. I am well aware 
of debates on dimensionality, and shall have the opportuninty to deal 
with it in the due course of the debate when difficulties of 
interpretation of more specific evidence arises, but for the moment 
there occurs no such problem. With this in mind, the tentative 
impression of the evidence is clear in affirming the existence of an 
enduring three dimensionality. But as we further examine the evidence, 
we find two types of configuration sharing in these time/dimensional 
features. One is the occurence of space without matter, the other is 
matter itself. The existence of energy and its status is not 
immediately evident, though a solution presents itself on further 
examination. For the moment let's examine the two main factors of
space and matter. We have so far established the universality of 
three-dimension/time factor. Some regions of this three dimensionality 
contains what appears as an emptiness, whilst others contain what 
appears as matter. It is obvious enough that only some regions contain 
matter, but it is not at all clear whether space also underlies these 
regions or whether space is actually displaced where matter exists. 
If space did underlay these regions then matter does not 'displace', 
but rather 'occupies' space. This would mean that spatiality is a more 
general feature than matter, with matter dependent on space but space 
not being dependent on matter. Intuitively this may seem obvious enough, 
but nowadays the very mention of the word 'intuition' creates an 
impression of triviality. Indeed, the present generation has sunk so 
deep into the web of abstraction that it will be difficult to extricate 
it from its entrenched confusions.   
We have now arrived at a seemingly viable definition of space as a three
dimensional enduring and extended room in which material events occur. 
In fact it may be seen as a superfluity, since the former definition
of three dimensionality itself already implies just that. But if that 
is the case, then space (or rather 'spatiality' if the time dimension 
is included) is benign, that is, not interactive, but merely and simply
'room', or rather, a domain of emptiness. Within this domain exists
tangible matter as well as energy. If spatiality is just room, it cannot
interact with either the matter or the energy that occupies it, for it 
has no qualities other than time/dimensionality. Yet matter and energy 
are interactive, in fact interchangeable, so that these two aspects 
form a single entity in various formats. If I may, for the sake of 
clarity, call tangible matter as 'matter' and non tangible sources such 
as energy its 'processes'. So then, we have matter and its processes 
operating within the spatiality provided. Of course, we have hardly 
touched upon either of these issues. Spatiality and matter should be 
subject of separate analysis, with space taking precedence as the 
most general factor. 
( During 1995 I published an essay on spatiality. I will now refer the 
reader to it and will post this article below. Article two of this 
series will continue with an assumed knowledge of this essay )
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Subject: notes on the structure of reality - essay of 95 on space
From: gary.forbat@hotlinebbs.com.au (Gary Forbat)
Date: 20 Nov 96 10:58:46
ARGUMENTS FOR INFINITY   
Copyright (C) Gary Forbat 1995
all rights reserved
The Infinity of Spatial Extension
In a previous article I mentioned that the logical structure 
of three dimensionality implies an infinity of extension. In 
this essay I intend to demonstrate that this can be validly 
derived from the evidence of observation. To achieve this, 
I will make use of two broadly distinct approaches to the 
evidence. The first involves a simple quantitative assessment 
of the spatial regions immediately present within the inner 
parameters of observations. In this way it is possible to 
confirm a specific finite volume of space to be present within 
the observational limits. This is fairly straight forward type 
of quantification that is often used in the assesment of 
material resources, but with space there is a further 
complication, for the observations reveals the presence not 
only of this specific quantity, but also of a substantial 
additional volume of space, projecting outward indefinitely to 
some unknown, or rather, unfathomable extent. 
At this point it may be convenient to draw a distinction. 
The scope of any observation is always located within a finite 
region of space, but its full range of view may be divided into 
'internal' and 'external' regions. Within the 'internal' 
parameters the observation reveals enough detail about the 
physical entities to be able to determine finite quantifiable 
values, but toward the 'outer' parameters, this is no longer 
possible. This is why the spatial environment of the very 
distant 'outer' regions cannot be quantified. Nor is it likely 
that any future observation will alter this finding, so that 
this method of quantification will never allow for a resolution 
of the spatial extension problem. 
Of course, if we only had this much to go on -if our techniques 
of analysis were limited to quantification- there would be 
little alternative but to speculate about the nature of 
extension. Fortunately we need not resort to this expedient, 
since another technique is available which focuses on 
non-quantitative aspects. One of the most important of features 
of spatiality is its three dimensionality, and this is a 
structural aspect of the physical reality. It is probably the 
best observed and most consistent feature of space, but at this 
stage it may be better placed as an 'apparent' feature, because 
on this point the debate branches in two directions, one 
maintaining the accuracy of the appearance, the other claiming 
the three dimensional 'appearance' to be only a simulation of 
a more numerous dimensional structure. This latter branch is 
itself complex enough to deal with and to include it here would 
cause interruption to the smooth flow of the present line of 
argument, but I intend to show its untenability in my refutation 
of it in a separate posting to follow this article. As for 
those who may be wondering about my attitude to the 'time' 
dimension, of course it is ever present, so that ultimately we 
are talking of four dimensionality (and it is in fact included 
in the term 'spatiality"), but time is not an aspect which is 
relevant to the extension issue.  
Now, to comprehend the nature of the three dimensional structure 
we have at our disposal the analytical instrument of mathemathics,
and as it happens, the three dimensionality may be ideally 
represented by a Cartesian co-ordinate geometry based on 
Euclidean principles. We may then go ahead and examine the 
logical structure of this geometry and draw from it conclusions 
that have valid implications to the physical reality. Through 
this analysis what becomes evident is that the kind of structure 
we are dealing with cannot have an extensional ending. It is 
equally obvious that something that does not end can never be 
fully observed, and therefore cannot be quantified. This fits 
in nicely with our quantitative analysis, for according to this 
model it should turn out to be indeterminate, just the way it 
actually does. 
What can in fact be achieved through the analysis of the 
structural attributes of spatiality is not a demonstration 
of the infinity of extension, but rather the guarantee of it. 
This is just the way we come to understand infinite number 
sequences through a set of principles which guarantees its 
infinity. The integers (..-3,-2,-1,0,1,2,...), for instance, 
may be generated from a set of two general principles: that 
each number has a successor and also a predecessor. Wherever 
we may care to start in the sequence, a two way infinity can 
be generated by these principles, so from any point the 
infinity of the system can be seen as guaranteed. Here we 
have no problem at all at comprehending an infinity, then 
why does it not seem also a natural consequence that a three 
dimensionally structured spatiality should have infinite 
extension ? There is the distinct impression that idea is 
somehow not intuitive. Firstly there seems to be a confusion 
about the meaning of 'intuitive'. One definition may claim 
that to be 'intuitive' is to be comprehensible through the 
ideas associated with observation. Within this broad context 
two attitudes are possible, one limiting the debate to only 
those kinds of things as can be observed, rejecting even 
validly derived implications if purport to go beyond those 
limits. Then there is the other approach which allows in 
any validly derived implication, so long as its validity is 
critically assessed. Obviously it is within this latter 
framework that the infinite attributes of physical reality 
may be appreciated. As for the former approach, my objection 
is that not trusting in the truth of deductively valid 
implications could only justifiably follow if the 
observational foundations were not firmly enough established 
to support it. Yet the evidential base is actually thought 
to be well founded, so there should be no reason to deny any 
implications signifying conditions beyond the observational 
grasp, provided of course they are validly derived.
Having clarified these issues of principle, an opportunity 
presents itself for another argument for the infinity of 
extension. Returning to the quantitative evidence which 
affirms the presence of indeterminate extended spatial regions, 
we do know that this space extends for a very considerable 
distance. We need go no further than to define the location 
of an immediately adjoining spatial region just outside the 
inner parameters of the observation. It is as though we looked 
out of a room through its window to define a spatial region 
just outside it. This region could be as small (or large) as 
we like so long as it is finite and determinate from the point 
of view of the observation. If, for instance, we decided to 
define a square meter of space just outside the window. It is 
clear that it would be no major task to shift the parameters 
of the observation a little way along to include this finite 
region within the inner parameters of the observation by 
either moving or extending the room. It should then not be 
difficult to appreciate that the inclusion of this adjoining 
region would give rise to the potential inclusion of another 
finite region which is located on the far side of the previous 
one. In turn, it should be also obvious that this new region 
would also have on its far side another region, and a further 
one for that in a chain of succession, so that each in the 
succession of neighbouring regions has a further out located 
region adjoining it. This process could be repeated as many 
times as we please, in fact it ranges to infinity, so once 
again a sequence is encountered which cannot be conceived to 
end, as clearly at no stage in the sequence of adjoining 
regions could there occur one region which did not have a 
region to adjoin it. Here again is a generative formula: that 
each succeeding region in the sequence is guaranteed a further 
region to succeed it, and this ensures that an infinity of 
extension must exist, since there can be no break in the chain. 
Once again, it is not so much a demonstration of the infinity 
of extension, but a guarantee of it.  
The argument could be reinforced by consideration of the 
theoretical possibility of a systematic material enclosure 
of these regions. It may be easily and intuitively imagined 
that from a central starting point a huge honeycomb type 
cell structure could be sprouting ever outward, systematically 
enclosing these neighbouring regions. The empty (or vacant) 
nature of spatiality allows for no resistance to a soundly 
engineered construction, so there could be nothing to hinder 
it from building ever outward, with each stage guaranteeing a 
successive further stage. Hence the sequence is never able to 
cease, generating a potential structural expansion to infinity. 
But this argument forms not only a proof of the infinity of 
extension, but of an infinite quantity of space as well.   
If overcoming all these difficulties were not already more than 
enough, there still remains a final obstacle to be removed. The 
problem is that the idea of infinity causes a mental attitude of
confusing unfamiliarity which the mind tends to interpret as 
counter intuitive, but in fact this is a misconception that is 
due to a mental conditioning process. From the earliest childhood 
the human perceptive mechanisms scan for information about states 
of the physical environment. Of course, perceptive mechanisms 
are constructed from material, and since I earlier made the 
distinction between spatiality and matter, maintaining that 
material can interact only with other material resources, and 
certainly not at all with spatiality which is merely the room 
in which material resides, it would then follow that perceptive 
mechanisms cannot actually be directly observing spatiality. 
Nor it seems, would instrumental observation be any better 
placed, for instruments are also made of matter. 
Before continuing, a question intervenes as to how we may know 
spatiality as well as we actually do ? We have such a clear 
impression of it that it certainly seems as though it was being 
directly perceived. What we in fact do have is very good 
indirect evidence arising from the logical gaps left over from 
the observation of matter. and the interpretation of these gaps 
amounts to our discernment of spatiality whereby we become so 
proficient with it that our familiarity likens it to direct 
perception. 
So indeed, we do have a very good idea of spatiality despite 
having no direct observational contact with it. The instruments 
we use to observe are limited to the evaluation of material 
conditions which are always finite and determinate. It is no 
wonder then that the logical techniques that the human mind 
evolves under these conditions are under closure to finite 
calculation, so that the idea of infinity is not only unfamiliar 
but positively foreign to our natural understanding. The reason 
is because infinity has no place in the scheme of interpretation. 
It is this lack of familiarity due to the finite conditioning 
effect that hinders the understanding and leads to the common 
misconception that the idea of infinity is non-intuitive. What 
is really the case is that infinity is merely not recognised to 
be intuitive, and this in no way excludes the possibility of 
it being recognised as such once the significant facts are known.    
Having hopefully cleared away some of the difficulties 
surrounding this topic, it should now not be too difficult to 
comprehend that if we could travel along in space toward any 
one direction, we would always see more of the same kind of 
spatiality, first approaching, then passing us by, and all 
that we would see would be intuitively comprehensible. Moreover, 
in the spatial environment the infinity is all around and any 
observation in it is of a finite region of it. It would then 
be reasonable to expect to experience just those kinds of 
indeterminate effects that we do in fact experience in the reality.  
           ***************************************
G. Forbat (C)
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Subject: Submit your own works!
From: boonpei@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 02:01:03 -0600
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Subject: Re: Time Travel
From: "John M. Goodfellow Jr."
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 12:29:22 -0800
I invite criticism and comments of my website Technology and the 
Production of Meaning http://www.wolfenet.com/~jmg/index.html
There is a chapter on measurement technology.
jmg
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Subject: Re: New philosophy from Heenan case studies: religion, CIA, leadership.
From: cmaz@tfb.com (chris)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:01:36 GMT
johnhe@heenan.ironbark.id.au (John Heenan) pondered, puzzled,
prognosticated (perhaps even premeditated), and then, in a very wise
voice, sed:
>Yes folks, Heenan the bold is on the ramapage through the newsgroups
>again with his new philosophy.  There were many stupid and pathetic
>responses to the first announcement of the new philosophy with
>virtually no discussion of value.
For those in the new newsgroups to which Mr. Heenen (although I often
get the feeling from the tone of his posts that J. Heenen is not a Mr.
but rather an adolescent boy) is posting, allow me to translate what
is written above.
Yes, for those with too much time on their hands, or who have not yet
realized the value of posts such as this, John Heenen the troll is
again here to waste bandwidth.  Many people offered well-thought out
and reasoned replies to the first announcement, but none of them
agreed with J. Heenen.
Just FYI. . . .
later. . . 
                chris
                "YES!  is the answer."  --John Lennon
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Subject: Graphics in Mathematica
From: br00037@binghamton.edu (Nana Saheb)
Date: 21 Nov 1996 17:16:36 GMT
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