Subject: Conventional Fusion FAQ Section 0/11 (Intro) Part 1/3 (Overview)
From: Robert F. Heeter
Date: 9 Nov 1996 21:59:24 GMT
Archive-name: fusion-faq/section0-intro/part1-overview
Last-modified: 26-Feb-1995
Posting-frequency: More-or-less-biweekly
Disclaimer: While this section is still evolving, it should
be useful to many people, and I encourage you to distribute
it to anyone who might be interested (and willing to help!!!).
-----------------------------------------------------------------
### Answers to Frequently Asked Questions about Fusion Research
-----------------------------------------------------------------
# Written/Edited by:
Robert F. Heeter
Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory
# Last Revised February 26, 1995
-----------------------------------------------------------------
*** A. Welcome to the Conventional Fusion FAQ!
-----------------------------------------------------------------
* 1) Contents
This file is intended to indicate
(A) that the Conventional Fusion FAQ exists,
(B) what it discusses,
(C) how to find it on the Internet, and
(D) the status of the Fusion FAQ project
* 2) What is the Conventional Fusion FAQ?
The Conventional Fusion FAQ is a comprehensive, relatively
nontechnical set of answers to many of the frequently asked
questions about fusion science, fusion energy, and fusion
research. Additionally, there is a Glossary of Frequently
Used Terms In Plasma Physics and Fusion Energy Research, which
explains much of the jargon of the field. The Conventional
Fusion FAQ originated as an attempt to provide
answers to many of the typical, basic, or introductory questions
about fusion research, and to provide a listing of references and
other resources for those interested in learning more. The
Glossary section containing Frequently Used Terms (FUT) also
seeks to facilitate communication regarding fusion by providing
brief explanations of the language of the field.
* 3) Scope of the Conventional Fusion FAQ:
Note that this FAQ discusses only the conventional forms of fusion
(primarily magnetic confinement, but also inertial and
muon-catalyzed), and not new/unconventional forms ("cold fusion",
sonoluminescence-induced fusion, or ball-lightning fusion). I
have tried to make this FAQ as uncontroversial and comprehensive
as possible, while still covering everything I felt was
important / standard fare on the sci.physics.fusion newsgroup.
* 4) How to Use the FAQ:
This is a rather large FAQ, and to make it easier to find what
you want, I have outlined each section (including which questions
are answered) in Section 0, Part 2 (posted separately). Hopefully it
will not be too hard to use. Part (C) below describes how to find
the other parts of the FAQ via FTP or the World-Wide Web.
* 5) Claims and Disclaimers:
This is an evolving document, not a completed work. As such,
it may not be correct or up-to-date in all respects.
This document should not be distributed for profit, especially
without my permission. Individual sections may have additional
restrictions. In no case should my name, the revision date,
or this paragraph be removed.
- Robert F. Heeter
--------------------------------------------------------------------
*** B. Contents (Section Listing) of the Conventional Fusion FAQ
--------------------------------------------------------------------
*****************************************************************
What This FAQ Discusses
*****************************************************************
(Each of these sections is posted periodically on sci.physics.fusion.
Section 0.1 is posted biweekly, the other parts are posted quarterly.
Each listed part is posted as a separate file.)
Section 0 - Introduction
Part 1/3 - Title Page
Table of Contents
How to Find the FAQ
Current Status of the FAQ project
Part 2/3 - Detailed Outline with List of Questions
Part 3/3 - Revision History
Section 1 - Fusion as a Physical Phenomenon
Section 2 - Fusion as an Energy Source
Part 1/5 - Technical Characteristics
Part 2/5 - Environmental Characteristics
Part 3/5 - Safety Characteristics
Part 4/5 - Economic Characteristics
Part 5/5 - Fusion for Space-Based Power
Section 3 - Fusion as a Scientific Research Program
Part 1/3 - Chronology of Events and Ideas
Part 2/3 - Major Institutes and Policy Actors
Part 3/3 - History of Achievements and Funding
Section 4 - Methods of Containment / Approaches to Fusion
Part 1/2 - Toroidal Magnetic Confinement Approaches
Part 2/2 - Other Approaches (ICF, muon-catalyzed, etc.)
Section 5 - Status of and Plans for Present Devices
Section 6 - Recent Results
Section 7 - Educational Opportunities
Section 8 - Internet Resources
Section 9 - Future Plans
Section 10 - Annotated Bibliography / Reading List
Section 11 - Citations and Acknowledgements
Glossary of Frequently Used Terms (FUT) in Plasma Physics & Fusion:
Part 0/26 - Intro
Part 1/26 - A
Part 2/26 - B
[ ... ]
Part 26/26 - Z
---------------------------------------------------------------
*** C. How to find the Conventional Fusion FAQ on the 'Net:
---------------------------------------------------------------
*****************************************************************
### The FAQ about the FAQ:
### How can I obtain a copy of a part of the Fusion FAQ?
*****************************************************************
* 0) Quick Methods (for Experienced Net Users)
(A) World-Wide Web: http://lyman.pppl.gov/~rfheeter/fusion-faq.html
(B) FTP: rtfm.mit.edu in /pub/usenet-by-group/sci.answers/fusion-faq
* 1) Obtaining the Fusion FAQ from Newsgroups
Those of you reading this on news.answers, sci.answers,
sci.energy, sci.physics, or sci.environment will be able to
find the numerous sections of the full FAQ by reading
sci.physics.fusion periodically. (Please note that not
all sections are completed yet.) Because the FAQ is quite
large, most sections are posted only every three months, to avoid
unnecessary consumption of bandwidth.
All sections of the FAQ which are ready for "official"
distribution are posted to sci.physics.fusion, sci.answers,
and news.answers, so you can get them from these groups by
waiting long enough.
* 2) World-Wide-Web (Mosaic, Netscape, Lynx, etc.):
Several Web versions now exist.
The "official" one is currently at
We hope to have a version on the actual PPPL Web server
() soon.
There are other sites which have made "unofficial" Web versions
from the newsgroup postings. I haven't hunted all of these down
yet, but I know a major one is at this address:
Note that the "official" one will include a number of features
which cannot be found on the "unofficial" ones created by
automated software from the newsgroup postings. In particular
we hope to have links through the outline directly to questions,
and between vocabulary words and their entries in the Glossary,
so that readers unfamiliar with the terminology can get help fast.
(Special acknowledgements to John Wright at PPPL, who is handling
much of the WWW development.)
* 3) FAQ Archives at FTP Sites (Anonymous FTP) - Intro
All completed sections can also be obtained by anonymous FTP
from various FAQ archive sites, such as rtfm.mit.edu. The
address for this archive is:
Please note that sections which are listed above as having
multiple parts (such as the glossary, and section 2) are
stored in subdirectories, where each part has its own
filename; e.g., /fusion-faq/glossary/part0-intro.
Please note also that there are other locations in the rtfm
filespace where fusion FAQ files are stored, but the reference
given above is the easiest to use.
There are a large number of additional FAQ archive sites,
many of which carry the fusion FAQ. These are listed below.
* 4) Additional FAQ archives worldwide (partial list)
There are other FAQ archive sites around the world
which one can try if rtfm is busy; a list is appended
at the bottom of this file.
* 5) Mail Server
If you do not have direct access by WWW or FTP, the
rtfm.mit.edu site supports "ftp by mail": send a message
to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with the following 3 lines
in it (cut-and-paste if you like):
send usenet-by-group/sci.answers/fusion-faq/section0-intro/part1-overview
send usenet-by-group/sci.answers/fusion-faq/section0-intro/part2-outline
quit
The mail server will send these two introductory
files to you. You can then use the outline (part2)
to determine which files you want. You can receive
any or all of the remaining files by sending another
message with the same general format, if you substitute
the file archive names you wish to receive, in place of the
part "fusion-faq/section0-intro/part1-overview", etc. used above.
* 6) Additional Note / Disclaimer:
Not all sections of the FAQ have been written
yet, nor have they all been "officially" posted.
Thus, you may not find what you're looking for right away.
Sections which are still being drafted are only
posted to sci.physics.fusion. If there's a section
you can't find, send me email and I'll let you know
what's up with it.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
*** D. Status of the Conventional Fusion FAQ Project
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
* 1) Written FAQ Sections:
Most sections have been at least drafted, but many sections are still
being written. Sections 2.3, 2.4, 2.5, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 4.1, 4.2, and 9
remain to be completed.
Those sections which have been written could use revising and improving.
I am trying to obtain more information, especially on devices and
confinement approaches; I'm also looking for more information on
international fusion research, especially in Japan & Russia.
*** I'd love any help you might be able to provide!! ***
* 2) Building a Web Version
A "primitive" version (which has all the posted data, but isn't
especially aesthetic) exists now. Would like to add graphics and
cross-references to the Glossary, between FAQ sections, and
to other internet resources (like laboratory Web pages).
* 3) Nuts & Bolts -
I'm looking for ways to enhance the distribution of the FAQ, and
to get additional volunteer help for maintenance and updates.
We are in the process of switching to automated posting via the
rtfm.mit.edu faq posting daemon.
* 4) Status of the Glossary:
# Contains roughly 1000 entries, including acronyms, math terms, jargon, etc.
# Just finished incorporating terms from the "Glossary of Fusion Energy"
published in 1985 by the Dept. of Energy's Office of Scientific and
Technical Information.
# Also working to improve technical quality of entries (more formal.)
# World Wide Web version exists, hope to cross-reference to FAQ.
# Hope to have the Glossary "officially" added to PPPL Web pages.
# Hope to distribute to students, policymakers, journalists,
scientists, i.e., to anyone who needs a quick reference to figure out
what we're really trying to say, or to decipher all the "alphabet
soup." Scientists need to remember that not everyone knows those
"trivial" words we use every day. The glossary and FAQ should be
useful in preparing for talks to lay audiences. Students will
also find it useful to be able to look up unfamiliar technical jargon.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
*** E. Appendix: List of Additional FAQ Archive Sites Worldwide
----------------------------------------------------------------------
(The following information was excerpted from the "Introduction to
the *.answers newsgroups" posting on news.answers, from Sept. 9, 1994.)
Other news.answers/FAQ archives (which carry some or all of the FAQs
in the rtfm.mit.edu archive), sorted by country, are:
[ Note that the connection type is on the left. I can't vouch
for the fusion FAQ being on all of these, but it should be
on some. - Bob Heeter ]
Belgium
-------
gopher cc1.kuleuven.ac.be port 70
anonymous FTP cc1.kuleuven.ac.be:/anonymous.202
mail-server listserv@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be get avail faqs
Canada
------
gopher jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca port 70
Finland
-------
anonymous ftp ftp.funet.fi/pub/doc/rtfm
France
------
anonymous FTP grasp1.insa-lyon.fr:/pub/faq
grasp1.insa-lyon.fr:/pub/faq-by-newsgroup
gopher gopher.insa-lyon.fr, port 70
mail server listserver@grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr
Germany
-------
anonymous ftp ftp.Germany.EU.net:/pub/newsarchive/news.answers
ftp.informatik.uni-muenchen.de:/pub/comp/usenet/news.answers
ftp.uni-paderborn.de:/doc/FAQ
ftp.saar.de:/pub/usenet/news.answers (local access only)
gopher gopher.Germany.EU.net, port 70.
gopher.uni-paderborn.de
mail server archive-server@Germany.EU.net
ftp-mailer@informatik.tu-muenchen.de
ftp-mail@uni-paderborn.de
World Wide Web http://www.Germany.EU.net:80/
FSP ftp.Germany.EU.net, port 2001
gopher index gopher://gopher.Germany.EU.net:70/1.archive
gopher://gopher.uni-paderborn.de:70/0/Service/FTP
Korea
-----
anonymous ftp hwarang.postech.ac.kr:/pub/usenet/news.answers
Mexico
------
anonymous ftp mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx:/pub/usenet/news.answers
The Netherlands
---------------
anonymous ftp ftp.cs.ruu.nl:/pub/NEWS.ANSWERS
gopher gopher.win.tue.nl, port 70
mail server mail-server@cs.ruu.nl
Sweden
------
anonymous ftp ftp.sunet.se:/pub/usenet
Switzerland
-----------
anonymous ftp ftp.switch.ch:/info_service/usenet/periodic-postings
anonymous UUCP chx400:ftp/info_service/Usenet/periodic-postings
mail server archiver-server@nic.switch.ch
telnet nic.switch.ch, log in as "info"
Taiwan
------
anonymous ftp ftp.edu.tw:/USENET/FAQ
mail server ftpmail@ftp.edu.tw
United Kingdon
--------------
anonymous ftp src.doc.ic.ac.uk:/usenet/news-faqs/
FSP src.doc.ic.ac.uk port 21
gopher src.doc.ic.ac.uk port 70.
mail server ftpmail@doc.ic.ac.uk
telnet src.doc.ic.ac.uk login as sources
World Wide Web http://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-faqs/
United States
-------------
anonymous ftp ftp.uu.net:/usenet
World Wide Web http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu:80/hypertext/faq/usenet/top.html
Subject: CETI Demo at American Nuclear Soc. Mtg.
From: 76570.2270@CompuServe.COM (Eugene Mallove)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:40:23 GMT
November 11, 1996
Dear Colleagues:
This is a very big day for cold fusion. I just spoke this morning (11/11/96)
with Clean Energy Technologies, Inc. (CETI) CEO Jim Reding, who gave me more
details about the demo cells they are selling at the American Nuclear Society
Meeting --"The Global Benefits of Nuclear Technology"-- at the Washington, DC
Sheraton hotel.
CETI has sold 40 kits already at $3,750.00 each -- about one-third of those kits
were sold at the Washington meeting.
Licensing or leasing a Research Kit entitles one to the following:
* a 1-year license
* a test chamber
* two research cells
* 4 loadings of three different microsphere (MS) configurations
* Ability to participate in the CETI Corporate Organization Research Program
* Admittance to two CETI corporate conferences per year (exclusively for people
who have leased cells)
* A monthly newsletter of research progress -- edited by Prof. George Miley
* Access to special new microsphere configurations
* Mandatory on-site training in use of the cells at the University of Illinois
* The next CETI Corporate Meeting is Dec. 10, 1996. The one after that will be
June 1997.
* A price list for the purchase of additional beads will be available in a few
months.
Note well, all this info and right-to-buy beads comes only with the lease of the
$3,750.00 cell.
The demo cell in Washington has microspehres with *ceramic substrates*, designed
to achieve temperatures up to 500 C. However, the cell at the meeting is only
running at 5 watts out with about 1.5 watts in, just to show proof of concept.
This small level of heat is designed to let researchers draw conclusions about
the correspondence of the transmutations to the excess heat. It is not optimized
for power production.
Possibly the biggest news -- other than that there are now 40 groups/people who
will have commercially purchased cells -- is a new patent that the USPTO has
notified CETI that it has allowed. The patent will be issued within the next few
weeks. It is titled:
"System in Electrolytic Cell and Method for Producing Heat and De-Activating
Uranium and Thorium by Electrolysis"
This patent describes a method by which radionuclides are inserted into a
special matrix designed for radioactive elements. According to Reding and
inventor Dr. James Patterson, with whom I also spoke, "conservatively" they have
demonstrated the reduction by up to 50% of the radiation activity from uranium
and thorium. The process takes only from 2 to 24 hours. Generally, the process
occurs within only 4 hours. It is said that the de-activation can be as high as
90%, which would make for a pretty conclusive finding, I would assume. Anyone in
the nuclear industry who can verify this result ought to know that we are "no
longer in Kansas." In fact, the allowance of this patent by the USPTO should
tell them that already.
According to CEO Reding, "an organization has already purchased the *exclusive*
world rights" to licence and sub-licence this patent. The organization has paid
CETI $1 million dollars ($1,000,000) for this. The organization's identity, for
now, is private.
The exhibit at the American Nuclear Society Meeting is on today and tomorrow
(11/11/96 and 11/12/96 from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m.
Jim Reding reports that response has been very polite. There is a lot of
interest in this technology among those who are initially skeptical. I guess the
sale of about 1/3 of the 40 kits at this meeting speaks for itself.
It seems, at last, that "cold fusion" has truly been commercialized with the
sale of these units -- with every prospect for increasing sales. As soon as
other former non-involved but ranking people observe these effects with these
cells, the opposition to cold fusion will be dramatically set back, to say the
least. This is exactly what we at Infinite Energy magazine have been saying and
hoping for all along.
Reding reports there is great interest in Prof. George Miley's transmutation
paper. Miley has been given a slot at the American Nuclear Society meeting in
June to deliver his latest findings. There was no slot available at this
meeting.
The exhibit people have told me they expect from 1,000 to 1,200 attendees at the
meeting.
Eugene F. Mallove, Sc.D.
Editor-in-Chief and Publisher
INFINITE ENERGY Magazine
Cold Fusion Technology
P.O. Box 2816
Concord, NH 03302-2816
Phone:603-228-4516
Fax: 603-224-5975
76570.2270@compuserve.com
[ A preliminary version of Dr. Miley's and Dr. Patterson's transmutation paper
was published in Infinite Energy, Issue #9 -- printed in October 1996.]
Subject: Text of New CETI Brochure
From: 76570.2270@CompuServe.COM (Eugene Mallove)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 22:00:38 GMT
The following is the text of the new Clean Energy Technologies Brochure:
(Transcribed by Gene Mallove -- 11/11/96)
Clean Energy Technologies, Inc. (CETI) proudly announces the launch of the
Patterson Power Cell(TM) Research Kit codenamed RIFEX(TM) (Reaction In a Film
Excited Complex). For the first time, researchers in this emerging field will
have the opportunity to examine and conduct research on CETI's Patterson Power
Cell(TM) which has received several U.S. Patents and has been acclaimed as the
first device to reliably demonstrate chemically assisted nuclear reactions. This
device is designed to replicate the ground-breaking work conducted by George
Miley at the University of Illinois and James A. Patterson of CETI Labs. From
an identifiable "fingerprint" of reaction products, this system will enable
scientists to witness and conduct research on nuclear reactions at low
temperatures with a high degree of confidence. CETI believes this device will
provide new direction in the area of nuclear physics, yielding new reaction
pathways that will open the door to a technological revolution as never before
imagined.
RIFEX(TM) Basic Research Kit
Equipment
* Two patented Patterson Power Cells(TM) with Test Chamber
* Four Thin-Film MICREL(TM) (Microsphere-Cell Reactor Electrode Loading)
approx 1 cc each: (2) Pd Ni loadings, (1) Ni Loading, (1) Pd loading
* Electrolyte - Li2SO4 (99.995% pure)
* One Neutron Activation Analysis
Research License
* One Year Research License to Patented Technology
* Preferred Licencing Renewal Terms
Training
* one-Day On-Site Training Seminar
* Operational Protocol Provided by CETI
* Technical Support from CETI and Other Research Affiliates
* Access to Informational Network
Research Affiliates Program
* One Year Membership in CETI's Corporate Research Affiliates Program
* One Year Subscription to Published Newsletter With Updates from Other Research
Affiliates
* Free Entrance and Participation in Two CETI Research Conferences
* Replacement Parts Catalog with Special Discounts from CETI
* Special Order Microsphere Configurations Available
* Research Affiliate Program Members have the Opportunity to Purchase Bulk
Quantities of Microsphere Electrodes
Price $3,750
Or extend your research license and membership in the research affiliates
program for a full three years for $7,500.
Supply is Limited, Order Today
for more information see our web site at
http://www.cleanenergy.com/ceti
or call (941) 957-3109
ENSAP(TM) (Exhaustive Nuclear Search and Analysis Program)
* Performs Extensive Reaction Products Analysis
* DOS/Windows Compatible (Pentium (TM) Recommended)
Free Demo Included with Kit
"Clean" cell and system are designed to reduce impurities providing the
researcher with a high degree of confidence in nuclear reaction products.
Patented Technology
Patent: System for Electrolysis Claiming "Excess Heat"
February 27, 1996 #5,494,559
Patent: System for Electrolysis of Liquid Electrolyte
December 13, 1994 #5,372,688
Patent: Method for Electrolysis of Liquid Electrolyte
June 7, 1994 #5,318,675
Patent: Metal Plated Microsphere Catalyst
July 30, 1991 #5,036,031
Patent: Process for Producing Coated Microspheres
July 24, 1990 #4,943,355
Over 20 additional patents pending on related technologies.
"Based on seeing this device at work, I have confidence in promoting this
technology within Bechtel."
-Mr. Bruce C. Klein, PE, Bechtel
"We are excited at the prospect of incorporating this technology into a proposed
research program."
-Dr. C. Quinton Bowles, University of Missouri
"The Patterson Power Cell is a robust and forgiving cell design."
Dr. Dennis Cravens
Clean Energy Technologies, Inc.
Patent Licensing and Development Company
Phone: 941-957-3109
fax: 941-365-0487
PO Box 2016, Sarasota, Florida 34230
http://www.cleanenergy.com/ceti
"Delivering the Future Today"
Subject: The Food Air Force?
From: hheffner@matsu.ak.net (Horace Heffner)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 19:11:39 -0800
Sorry for this slightly off topic post but I have to start somewhere. We
have discussed Steve Jones' solar cooker for disadvantaged coutries here
on sci.physics.fusion, so it seems reasonable to me to discuss some
methods of providing the food to cook with them for those who otherwise
would not have any.
Please feel free to copy any part of this document. Any ideas herein that
are mine I place in the public domain.
This is a simple idea for air dropping food to starving groups of people
in places where no typical landing or drop zone is available or mobility
is restricted because the area is under fire. The method might also be
useful for supplying downed pilots without giving away a specific position
or forcing the drop plane to come under close range fire. The method is
also useful for obtaining a fairly uniform distribution of the food and
thus avoiding complete domination of the supply by the strong at the
expense of the weak.
The idea is to adapt some existing military Meals Ready to Eat (MRE)
packaging techniques and recipes to use in small packages similar in size
to ketchup, mayonnaise, or hot sauce squeeze packets. Such squeeze
packets are typically 1.5 inches by 3 inches and about .25 inches thick.
Clearly, lesser food technology than that for MRE's could be used as well,
depending on the requirements of the drop. The important thing is to be
able to air drop food accurately, cheaply, and uniformly over a designated
area. Therefore, the use of large quantities of packets small enough to
avoid the requirement for parachutes, etc., is the key principle of this
idea.
This idea has the following advantages:
1. The ratio of packing materials to food is reasonable, for both weight
and cost.
2. No additional weight or expense is required for chutes, ruggedized
pallets, etc., for dropping the small packets. The packets can be dropped
as-is due to their terminal velocity being slow due to their small size.
They can survive at a high rate in most conditions.
3. The likelihood of injury to people in the drop area is small provided
they don't look up and get hit in the eye by a falling packet. Even then
the risk of permanent injury is small, unlike the risk of being hit by a
one ton pallet, or being trampled in a mad rush to a food container.
4. The food can be distributed over a wide area, like a city, or along a
travel route. The wide area uniform distribution and subsequent wide area
scavenging gives a more fair opportunity for everyone in the drop zone to
obtain food. The uniform distribution also reduces the chances that the
entire drop will be lost due to falling into an inaccessible or under fire
area or by being damaged in the drop.
5. The packets will not tend to be caught in trees, as they would with
shroud lines, but rather fall through to the ground.
6. A diverse range and mix of foods, vitamins, medicines, bandages,
re-hydration fluids and electrolytes, baby food, etc. can be distributed
simultaneously in a single drop.
7. The drop can occur from high altitudes or low altitudes.
8. Such drops could be made by pilotless planes using GPS locating, or by
remotely piloted aircraft.
9. Errors due to wind drift will be less than that for parachuted material
due to the faster rate of fall.
10. The food would not require cooking or decontamination equipment.
11. The food would be useful for storage and for travel and would be in a
convenient size for barter and rationing.
12. Packets can be made to float so they are not lost in swamps, streams, etc.
13. Packet visibility can be increased through use of fluorescent paint,
aluminization, etc. It is not the packets lost to the enemy that is
important, but the packets reaching the needy.
14. Packets can be attached in strings to increase the likelihood of
finding a good mix.
The suggested technology might alos be of use in supplying troops under
fire. Having this technology available could have helped much in
supplying civilians in the war torn areas of Ethiopia, where relief trucks
were regularly hijacked or destroyed. It could have similarly saved lives
in Chad, Somalia, the Balkans, Rawanda, and could even at this moment be
used in Zaire.
I don't know who might actually attempt to use such an idea. If you do,
please send this document to them or let me know how to contact them by
emailing me at hheffner@anc.ak.net. Thanks for your consideration.
Regards,
PO Box 325 Palmer, AK 99645
Horace Heffner 907-746-0820
Subject: Re: Text of New CETI Brochure -- How sad...
From: kalim@us.net (Karim Alim)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 23:53:46 GMT
bsulliva@sky.net (Bob Sullivan) wrote:
>to see who would be graced by licenses to the Patterson Power Cell. Now, they
>(CETI et al.) are groveling on the street corner, trying to sell the devices
>bead-by-bead.
"Groveling on the street corner?" Delightfully colorful description,
but hardly accurate, unless you think of charging $3,750 as
"groveling" and the American Nuclear Society Meetings as "street
corners."
>experimenter. Now they claim they can transmute nickel into -- well, you name
>it, they can make it.
>
>How sad...
It *would* be sad *if* they were wrong about the transmutations. Just
to clarify things, are you implying that George Miley is an idiot or a
liar? Seems to me that he'd have to be one or the other to screw up
his findings that badly.
>Strangely, they have chosen to do this at the same time that Joe Champion is
>heading for the hills, apparently a half-step ahead of a new round of
>transmutation fraud lawsuits.
Hadn't heard about this, but then I don't read the Enquirer, so...
>Pity them, but watch your wallets.
Come now, "pity them?" I doubt that can be a sincere statement when
it is followed up by "watch your wallets." Who would pity anyone
who's out to steal from you? If you pity someone who's out to rip you
off, then you're a bigger idiot than they are.
-k.