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Subject: Re: Cold Fusion Information Available -- From: KROENIG@msn.com (JOSEPH BENINCASA)
Subject: Re: has anyone made a working perpetual motion machine? -- From: gfp@sarnoff.com
Subject: What is cold fusion -- From: 72240.1256@CompuServe.COM (Jed Rothwell)
Subject: Re: Cold Fusion Information Available -- From: bsulliva@sky.net (Bob Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Are we missing something or are these people misguided. -- From: Dennis Letts
Subject: Re: CETI Demo at American Nuclear Soc. Mtg. -- From: Dennis Letts
Subject: What does transmutation have to do with it? -- From: bks@netcom.com (Bradley K. Sherman)

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Subject: Re: Cold Fusion Information Available
From: KROENIG@msn.com (JOSEPH BENINCASA)
Date: 23 Nov 96 06:17:34 -0800
B.S. Writes:
 Current answer candidates:
 1. Fraud
 2. Incompetent science
 3. Pathological science
 4. A monumental scientific breakthrough
 Before item 4. can be considered, the first three  items must be 
conclusively 
 eliminated. No cf claim to date has passed that threshhold.
If I may make an observation. CF has been thoroughly debunked in this 
ng. Every concievable permutation of items 1 2 and 3 have been 
trotted out, and yet with a few exceptions the only people absolutely 
convinced that CF is an illusion are those who have never performed 
or even seen an experiment. Do you think the Japanese who are funding 
P&F; have never read this ng?
Please explain the continued funding for this research.
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Subject: Re: has anyone made a working perpetual motion machine?
From: gfp@sarnoff.com
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 14:16:18 GMT
	`			No.
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Subject: What is cold fusion
From: 72240.1256@CompuServe.COM (Jed Rothwell)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 19:35:23 GMT
To: >INTERNET:fusion@zorch.sf-bay.org;
>INTERNET:afranzon@vnpbnes9.telecom.com
I posted an advertisement for my home page. In response,
afranzon@vnpbnes9.telecom.com (Anton) asked:
     What the hell is cold fusion???
The answer can be found on my home page, in the world wide web. That was the
whole point of my message. This newsgroup is no place to find out anything
about the subject. If you wish to learn what the hell cold fusion is, see my
home page, subscribe to our magazine, and read the scientific literature. I
repeat the addresses:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JedRothwell
To subscribe to Infinite Energy magazine contact:
Eugene F. Mallove, Sc.D.
Editor-in-Chief and Publisher
INFINITE ENERGY: Cold Fusion and New Energy Technology   (MAGAZINE)
Cold Fusion Technology
P.O. Box 2816
Concord, NH 03302-2816
Fax:   603-224-5975
Phone: 603-228-4516
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Subject: Re: Cold Fusion Information Available
From: bsulliva@sky.net (Bob Sullivan)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 96 00:15:52 GMT
In article <000020bd+00001c02@msn.com>, KROENIG@msn.com (JOSEPH BENINCASA) wrote:
->B.S. Writes:
-> Current answer candidates:
->
-> 1. Fraud
-> 2. Incompetent science
-> 3. Pathological science
-> 4. A monumental scientific breakthrough
->
-> Before item 4. can be considered, the first three  items must be 
->conclusively 
-> eliminated. No cf claim to date has passed that threshhold.
->
->If I may make an observation. CF has been thoroughly debunked in this 
->ng. Every concievable permutation of items 1 2 and 3 have been 
->trotted out, and yet with a few exceptions the only people absolutely 
->convinced that CF is an illusion are those who have never performed 
->or even seen an experiment. Do you think the Japanese who are funding 
->P&F; have never read this ng?
->Please explain the continued funding for this research.
First, government funding (or the lack thereof) is not "proof." This may come as 
a shock to you, but governments (and other institutions) have been known to do 
"strange" things. Explaining government action would be an even greater 
accomplishment than explaining cf.
Second, I'm sorry to be the first to tell you this, but for what it's worth 
(see above), word has it that the Japanese research is, shall we say, in the 
process of "winding down." 
Earlier, the Electric Power Research Institute in the US spent mega-bucks funding 
cf research before writing it off as a lost cause. That institutionally-funded 
research, also, gave the True Believers a glimmer of hope while it was in 
progress.
The burden of proof continues to be on the True Believers. It is up to the 
proponents to prove their claims. Unlike a US court of law, cf is "guilty" until 
proven innocent. You may not like being placed in that position, but that is the 
way the science works. If that's too tough a standard for you, consider taking up 
social studies where "victimhood" is considered a positive attribute.
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Subject: Re: Are we missing something or are these people misguided.
From: Dennis Letts
Date: 24 Nov 1996 04:08:52 GMT
I'm glad to see some interest in an experiment from this 
newsgroup--suggest you read the paper first since it will give you the 
data you need to do a quick "reasonableness" test on the claimed 1%.
Then call Dr. Scott--he's listed in Oak Ridge, Tenn. as Charles D. 
Scott;he is very helpful and still interested in doing more 
experimentation now that he is retired.
Good luck
Dennis letts
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Subject: Re: CETI Demo at American Nuclear Soc. Mtg.
From: Dennis Letts
Date: 24 Nov 1996 04:35:06 GMT
Ted,
You left one out:
5. Is he or has he ever been a member of the Communist Party...?
I think most of us know where this type of thought process leads and it's 
not to better science...
Dennis letts
Austin, TX
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Subject: What does transmutation have to do with it?
From: bks@netcom.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 02:59:54 GMT
When exactly did CETI devices change from excess heat
thingamabobs to transmutation doohickeys?  Did Cravens
forget the magic incantation for the 1.3 kilowatt runs
or what?  I would have thought that a year of practice
would either result in increased amplification or increased
reliability, but not a complete disappearance of the
effect.
I just skimmed the Vortex-L compedium and it doesn't
look to me like any of the True Believers are voting
with their wallets and buying one of the kits.
(Could have missed it though --it was a fast skim.)
    --bks
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