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Subject: Re: photon statistics for LEDs and diode lasers? -- From: Wayne Shanks
Subject: Re: NASA lies, again. -- From: daveg@halcyon.com (David B. Greene)
Subject: A case against nuclear energy? -- From: pfraser@dnai.com (Pete Fraser)
Subject: Re: Pope votes for Evolution (was Re: Creation VS Evolution) -- From: Stephen Victor
Subject: Re: Can science provide value? (was: Where's the theory?) -- From: nanken@tiac.net (Ken MacIver)
Subject: Marian Smoluchowski Symposium on Statistical Physics -- From: "Pawel F. Gora"
Subject: Re: Can science provide value? (was: Where's the theory?) -- From: nanken@tiac.net (Ken MacIver)
Subject: Re: Face on Mars Revisited... -- From: "Terrence W. Zellers"
Subject: Re: ATOM discovery : 3d configuration is filled up before 4s -- From: name.name@chemie.uni-ulm.de (Chris)
Subject: Re: EVERYONE READ THIS, VERY IMPORTANT, PLEASE READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- From: mbv@ti.com (Ken Durham)
Subject: Re: Challenge! -- From: maxh@ldd.net (Max Hendrix)
Subject: Re: NASA lies, again. -- From: frank@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (Frank Manning)
Subject: Re: Ultimate Particles -- From: "John M. Pierre"
Subject: Re: Can science provide value? (was: Where's the theory?) -- From: moggin@mindspring.com (moggin)
Subject: Re: Pope votes for Evolution (was Re: Creation VS Evolution) -- From: Bernie
Subject: Re: Multiple Universes -- From: "Minnie"
Subject: Re: Are there any phenomena that Quantum Theory fails to explain? -- From: Wayne Shanks
Subject: Re: "Kittel, Chapter 1" as virtual reality world available -- From: vogelges@london.physics.purdue.edu (Ralf Vogelgesang)
Subject: Re: Frequency-Space paradox? -- From: Alan \"Uncle Al\" Schwartz
Subject: Re: Vietmath War: DEAR AMERICA -- From: JC
Subject: Re: Gravity and Anti-matter -- From: coolhand@Glue.umd.edu (Kevin Anthony Scaldeferri)
Subject: Re: VERY IMPORTANT!! PLEASE READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 -- From: richard@beulah.demon.co.uk (Richard Robinson)
Subject: Re: I hate it when they do this! -- From: Jan Rosenzweig
Subject: Re: Multiple Universes -- From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban)
Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution -- From: David
Subject: Re: Challenge! -- From: Alan \"Uncle Al\" Schwartz
Subject: Re: Challenge! -- From: Alan \"Uncle Al\" Schwartz
Subject: Re: Can someone help me with air resistance? -- From: Doug Craigen
Subject: Re: DeBroglie's equation -- From: Doug Craigen
Subject: Re: A case against nuclear energy? -- From: jmc@Steam.stanford.edu (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Challenge! -- From: jaspevacek@mmm.com (John Spevacek)
Subject: Re: Challenge! -- From: W R Shefte
Subject: Re: Electricity Problem -- From: Alan \"Uncle Al\" Schwartz
Subject: Re: freedom of privacy & thoughts -- From: caesar@copland.udel.edu (Johnny Chien-Min Yu)
Subject: Div Grad and Curl are Dead... -- From: heafnerj@mercury.interpath.com (Joe Heafner - Astronomer)
Subject: Re: Movie: HEAVEN's TV -- From: rmeyer@spd.dsccc.com (Russ Meyer)
Subject: Re: Challenge! -- From: W R Shefte
Subject: Re: The Electrostatic Source of Magnetism and Gravity -- From: kfischer@iglou.com (Ken Fischer)
Subject: Re: Pope votes for Evolution (was Re: Creation VS Evolution) -- From: hahaha
Subject: Online magazine -- From: apeiron@vif.com (C. Roy Keys)

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Subject: Re: photon statistics for LEDs and diode lasers?
From: Wayne Shanks
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 11:24:37 -0500
a wrote:
> 
> > I believe that laser photon statistics and LED photon statistics are
> > Poisson statistics.
> >
> > The only difference between a laser and an incandesent source is that
> > all the photons in a laser are of the same frequency and phase locked to
> > each other.  these two properties are what makes a laser a laser.  A LED
> > is like a laser except that the light is not all the same phase.
> > Incadesent light is of many frequencies and random phase.  If you are
> > just talking about the the photon counting statistics then the laser the
> > LED and the lamp are the same.
> >
> > Wayne S
> 
> A single-frequency laser source will exhibit poisson statistics.  However,
> an LED will have a Gaussian distribution.  This is related to the fact
> that there are many uncorrelated random processes happening.  According to
> the Central Limit Theorem, whenever you add up the contributions of many
> random processes (regardless what distribution they are, in our case
> Poissonian) you'll end up with a Gaussian distribution (assuming that the
> processes are uncorrelated.)
> 
> If you have a multi-longitudinal mode laser you'll also get Gaussian statistics.
> 
> Jeff
Very interesting....so you mean to say that the interval between photons
hitting a counter is normally distributes about some mean interval for
light emitted by a LED?  or are you talking about some other coralation?
Wayne
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Subject: Re: NASA lies, again.
From: daveg@halcyon.com (David B. Greene)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 16:59:37 GMT
pcp2g@karma.astro.Virginia.EDU (Twisted STISter) says:
>Darkstar  wrote:
>>In article <585l9h$jhm@news1.halcyon.com>, elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) says:
>>>    sfk@zipcon.net (Shea F. Kenny) writes:
>>>
>>>>       Well, as any number might suppose, I've devoted a bit of time
>>>>to considering  lunar exploration, and various means of determining
>>>>the useful features of the lunar surface, and subterrain.  NASA's
>>>>claim that there's water on the moon in a deep crater, seems on the
>>>>face of the claim, simply false.
>
>Just so you know, the project Clementine is mostly military-sponsored.
>That's why the Pentagon held the press conference. Saying it is
>NASA alone does not help credibility here.
>
>Incidently, the people who analyzed the data were very wary of 
>releasing it until they had verified it. That's why you need to go deeper
>than simply the "face of the claim".
>
>>>>      This is not a difficult matter to determine.  NASA's method of
>>>>survery, is that of radar, which cannot determine anything beyond much
>>>>beyond dimension.  
>
>This has already been shown by others to not be true.
>
>>It may be able to tell a few things 
>>about the composition due to the intensity of the returned signal but it 
>>is still conjecture that ice has been found.  
>
>This is true of course. We won't know it's ice until we get spectropgraphic
>readings, or a physical sample. the evidence is excellent that it is ice,
>however.
>
>>One question raised that I would like to see answered is:  If it is 
>>ice, why has it not sublimated by now, being in a vacum?
>
>The article in Science news has references which talk about how ice
>on the Moon "could be stable over geologic time". Why not get all the
>facts before you post?
whoa, twist, so it is now politically incorrect to ask a simple science 
question?  Scary indeed, maybe NASA should have "gotten all the facts 
before the launched Challenger."  I can understand why NASA does not want 
to be questioned.
>As someone else replied, the article is at:
>
>>>        If you're willing to read the article in Science magazine
>>>article at:
>>>http://www.sciencemag.org/science/scripts/display/full/274/5292/1495.
>
>>The thing that really bugs me about NASA is that they dribble out bits 
>>of information at such times as to maximize funding potential. The do 
>>this all the time, a bit here a bit there, like with the mars rocks. 
>>They should be more free in diseminating scientific information to the 
>>taxpaying public instad of treating that information as though it was a 
>>commodity.
>
>They released the data after they had spent enough time analyzing it.
>No sooner, and no later. Also note that the principle authors of the paper
>are not NASA, but military, since Clementine was a spinoff of SDI.
>
>Also, the Mars rock data was also released once they were confident
>of their results. Note that the Global Surveyor and the Pathfinder
>were already funded, built and awaiting launch.
Sure they did ;-)   I'll believe that when I know what my 
tax dollar is buying at Area 51.
Dave Greene
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Subject: A case against nuclear energy?
From: pfraser@dnai.com (Pete Fraser)
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 07:31:00 -0700
First, apologies if this is inappropriate in this newsgroup.
I have just read a book called "Before It's Too Late -
A Scientist's Case FOR Nuclear Energy" by Bernard L
Cohen ISBN 0-306-41425-2. This book makes a fairly
strong and seemingly well reasoned case that the dangers
of nuclear energy are grossly exaggerated.
I am looking for a book or article which is a well reasoned 
rebuttal to Cohen's book. Can anybody steer me in the right
direction.
TIA
-- 
Pete Fraser
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Subject: Re: Pope votes for Evolution (was Re: Creation VS Evolution)
From: Stephen Victor
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 11:50:45 -0600
On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Jim Batka wrote:
> > Mistake numero uno: holding up the pope as some sort of a decent guy.
> > Honestly, if ever there were a tyrant in sheep's clothing. He should be
> > drawn and quartered for the misery he visits upon fertile women around
> > the world.
> 
> Again someone with a sense of humor!  I'm ROTFL now :).  I'm waiting for
> the punch line on what he's afflicted upon the poor fertile women of the
> world (they're all just going crazy because they lust after him and they
> know he's celibate?).
Um, perhaps you've heard of the Catholic Church's ban on the use of 
artifical contraception?
-- 
Stephen P. Victor                  svictor@compassnet.com
Houston, Texas USA     http://www.compassnet.com/~svictor
"At a certain season of our life we are accustomed to
consider every spot as the possible site of a house."
Thoreau, Walden
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Subject: Re: Can science provide value? (was: Where's the theory?)
From: nanken@tiac.net (Ken MacIver)
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 19:37:24 GMT
tejas@infi.net (Ted Samsel) wrote:
>Patrick Juola (patrick@gryphon.psych.ox.ac.uk) wrote:
>: 
>: Sure, it's an unsupported assumption.  I've been saying that for some
>: time.  But it's not an *unwarranted* unsupported assumption.
>The essence of the WONDERBRA?
And, don't forget WONDERBREAD.
ken
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Subject: Marian Smoluchowski Symposium on Statistical Physics
From: "Pawel F. Gora"
Date: 6 Dec 1996 08:35:12 -0800
                      Marian Smoluchowski Symposium 
                          on Statistical Physics
                             Zakopane, Poland
                           September 1-10, 1997
                             First circular
We are happy to announce that Marian Smoluchowski Symposium on
Statistical Physics (jubilee 10th Zakopane Symposium on Statistical
Physics) will be held on September 1-10, 1997, in Zakopane, Poland.
1997 is the 125th anniversary of Marian Smoluchowski's birth and the
80th anniversary of his death. The outcome of Smoluchowski's ideas 
will be the main subjecty of the Symposium.
The International Scientific Committee is represented by 
     Andrzej Fulinski (Cracow, Poland, chair) 
     Andrzej Kossakowski (Torun, Poland) 
     Robert Mazo (Eugene, Oregon) 
     Gregoire Nicolis (Brussels, Belgium) 
     Jaroslaw Piasecki (Warsaw, Poland) 
Scientific activities of the Symposium will include invited lectures, 
poster sessions and oral presentations, and seminars. In particular, 
special sessions on liquid crystals, statistical physics in biology, 
and chaotic physics in economy, are tentatively planned. There will also 
be plenty of room for less formal discussions. A number of social events 
(cultural events, local folk music concerts, mountain trips) are also 
planned.
A preliminary list of invited speakers includes 
     Jerzy Blicharski (Cracow, Poland) 
     Marshall Fixman (Fort Collins, Colorado) 
     Branka Ladanyi (Fort Collins, Colorado) 
     Andrzej Lasota (Katowice, Poland)
     Katja Lindenberg (La Jolla, California) 
     V. I. Loginov (Tuva, Russian Federation) 
     Catherine Nicolis (Brussels, Belgium) 
     Stuart P. Rice (Chicago, Illinois)
     Peter Talkner (Villingen, Switzerland) 
     Tamas Tel (Budapest, Hungary) 
     Wojtek Zurek (Los Alamos, Texas) 
The estimated cost of the Symposium, covering board, accomodation, 
and the conference fee, is 1000 PLN (US dollars 350) per person. 
A very limited number of scholarships, mainly for young researchers 
from Central European  countries, will be available; these, however, 
will not cover travel to and from Poland.
This is a preliminary announcement. Further details, including
deadlines, a more detailed list of invited lectures etc, will be 
published here as soon as they become available. 
Those interested in the Symposium, please contact the local organizing
committee at mailto:zakopane@indigo.if.uj.edu.pl, or by ordinary mail
    Department of Statistical Physics
    Institute Of Physics
    Jagellonian University
    Reymonta 4
    30-059 Cracow, Poland
    Attn: Dr. P.F.Gora
A WWW version of this announcement is available thorough
http://zfs.if.uj.edu.pl/sympos.html
Pawel Gora
Institute of Physics, Jagellonian University, Cracow, Poland
http://zfs.if.uj.edu.pl/gora/  
For every problem, there is one solution which is simple, neat, and wrong.
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Subject: Re: Can science provide value? (was: Where's the theory?)
From: nanken@tiac.net (Ken MacIver)
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 19:40:35 GMT
tejas@infi.net (Ted Samsel) wrote:
>Ken MacIver (nanken@tiac.net) wrote:
>: jude@smellycat.com (Jude Giampaolo) wrote:
>: 
>: >In article <5876ha$t8b@nw101.infi.net>, tejas@infi.net (Ted Samsel) wrote:
>: 
>: >> moggin (moggin@mindspring.com) wrote:
>: >> : 
>: >> :    Science as the Grand Funk Railroad of the disciplines?  I think 
>: >> : you're on to something, there.
>: >> 
>: >> Get thee behind me, Mark Farner. Free Lee Otis.
>: >> 
>: >> "I'm sad and blue cos I can't boogaloo,
>: >>  gimme gimme dat ding"
>: 
>: >The Pipkins are nice and all but this subject is now way off topic for
>: >sci.physics.....
>: 
>: Oh, no, good heavens!  We'll have to get someone to speak to Samsel
>: about this.
>Huh? Oh, yes.... the aspect of po-moetry emotion... herrumph..
>Question: Was Po-Mo thought developed by law schools to hone the brains 
>of the up-and-coming abogadoes & barristry?
>Seems like it to me.
It's more a means of inciting the rabble to barratry, but not
champerty (which lines the wallets of the abagados).
ken
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Subject: Re: Face on Mars Revisited...
From: "Terrence W. Zellers"
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 12:54:46 -0500
Kevin McLaughlin wrote:
> 
> Chaotic Resonance (cr@dreamland.net) wrote:
> : On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:22:24 GMT, jcherepy@mindspring.com (Bill
> : Cherepy) wrote:
> :
> : >
> : >After reading all the various posts about the "face" on Mars,  decided
> : >to take an image and do some processing on it. I must say I was
> : >surprised at the results. If you want to see what they are, I present
> : >the image without comment at:
> : >
> : >http://www.mindspring.com/~jcherepy/face.gif
> okay, i admit, it was me who put the face on mars. had you all fooled,
> didn't i?
> kev.
Duh!  I really thought it was Alfred E. Neuman there!  You sure had me
fooled. . . .
Autumn Zellers
autumn@vm.temple.edu
          *The truth is out there*
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Subject: Re: ATOM discovery : 3d configuration is filled up before 4s
From: name.name@chemie.uni-ulm.de (Chris)
Date: 6 Dec 1996 16:42:35 GMT
In article <32A7D328.B50@afuu.fr>, Herve Le Cornec  says:
>
>Hello World,     [see   http://www.afuu.fr/hcl]
>
>Few times ago we reported an unknown experimental fact : the very simple
>distribution of the atomic ionization potentials (AIP) with report to
>the atomic number. 
>
>We have completed our set of datas with all the available one for atoms
>with atomic number <= 54.
> 
>After a brief description of the new observable facts, we show that they
>are not totaly compatible with the forecasts of quantum mechanics (QM)
>about the atomic structure. 
>
>__________!!!!!!!!! MOST IMPORTANT  !!!!!!!________________
>The main difference concerns the populations of the 3d and 4s
>configurations : the experiment shows that 3d is hosted before 4s, at
>the contrary of what QM says. The same remark seems also true for 4d and
>5s.
>___________________________________________________________
>
>Please do find all datas, figures tables and explanations at :
>
>         http://www.afuu.fr/hcl
>
>
>Friendly yours.
>HCl
Hi Herve
I think I read something like this in the book of James E. Huheey
Ciao Chris
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Subject: Re: EVERYONE READ THIS, VERY IMPORTANT, PLEASE READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: mbv@ti.com (Ken Durham)
Date: 6 Dec 1996 16:50:02 GMT
Yeah, please keep this thread going ;(
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Subject: Re: Challenge!
From: maxh@ldd.net (Max Hendrix)
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 14:51:30 GMT
This won't work, but it gives a slightly different direction for
thinking.  Lay fibers flat and coat with suitable polymer (highly
plasticized epoxy?), cure.  Roll the resulting sheet like a jelly roll
with additional polymer of the same type.
Max Hendrix
"No, dammit, not Max Headroom"
Alan \"Uncle Al\" Schwartz  wrote:
>"Stephen L. Gilbert"  wrote:
>>> How about covering each fiber in its own plastic coating of suitable diameter and
>>> then fusing the resulting bundle? I knew it...too easy.
>>> 
>>> PGWHITE
>>
>>
>>Been there, done that, it works !! Additionally the bundles that I saw
>>were arranged coherently...if you illuminated one end with an image of
>>say, a dollar sign, the corresponding fibers would be illuminated at the
>>other end, and if you were near enough you could expose some arbitrary
>>substrate with the image pattern...sound about your interest Al?
>>-- 
>>Stephen L. Gilbert  
>I know how channel plates, and tapered reducing or expanding fiber optic 
>blocks are fabricated.  The problems here are that the intervening 
>plastic sheaths would need be much thicker than the fibers (wall 
>thickness about eight times the fiber diameter), and the consolidated rod 
>- interstitial plastic plus sheaths - must be optically homogeneous.  It 
>will be lathed into parts.
>(Need I add that the rod fabrication will be performed by folks with 
>double digit IQs?  We'll worry about production after we get a process.)
>Botheration...
>-- 
>Alan "Uncle Al" Schwartz
>UncleAl0@ix.netcom.com ("zero" before @)
>http://www.ultra.net.au/~wisby/uncleal.htm
> (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children, Democrats, and most mammals)
>"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"  The Net!
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Subject: Re: NASA lies, again.
From: frank@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (Frank Manning)
Date: 6 Dec 1996 18:17:48 GMT
In article <1996Dec6.165937.12106@atl.com> daveg@halcyon.com
(David B. Greene) writes:
>> Also, the Mars rock data was also released once they were confident
>> of their results. Note that the Global Surveyor and the Pathfinder
>> were already funded, built and awaiting launch.
>
> Sure they did ;-)   I'll believe that when I know what my 
> tax dollar is buying at Area 51.
Oh, I see. In the space of a few weeks, a giant government bureaucracy
funded and built not one but TWO Mars missions from scratch right after
the Mars rock data were released.
-- Frank Manning
-- Chair, AIAA-Tucson Section
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Subject: Re: Ultimate Particles
From: "John M. Pierre"
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 10:28:49 -0800
Anthony Potts wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 6 Dec 1996, Johan Wevers wrote:
> 
> > Ken H. Seto  wrote:
> >
> > >description of a  new type of ultimate particle. The motion of this
> > >particle gives rise to all the observed particles in the universe.
> >
> > What about yet unobserved particles?
> >
> Would Seto care to tell us the width and mass of the Higgs, do you think?
> 
> Also, perhaps he can tell us if supersymmetric particles exist, and if so,
> what is the mass of the ilghtest sparticle?
> 
> Anthony Potts
> 
> CERN, Geneva
Don't forget to tell us why the mass of the electron is .511 MeV and
what particle is mediating gravity in a consitent way!
-- 
-john
jpierre@physics.ucsb.edu
http://www.physics.ucsb.edu/people/john_pierre/
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Subject: Re: Can science provide value? (was: Where's the theory?)
From: moggin@mindspring.com (moggin)
Date: 6 Dec 1996 18:34:57 GMT
patrick@gryphon.psych.ox.ac.uk (Patrick Juola):
>>> >Science is a game; one that relies, fundamentally, on the *assumption*
>>> >that the universe is both consistent and as-we-perceive-it.
Jeff Inman 
>>> My point, maybe just a suggestion, is that claiming that the universe
>>> is consistent (etc) amounts to an argument about Nature, what it is.
>>> You serve Truth, in this sense, because you are convinced that facts
>>> must reveal themselves in certain ways (e.g. by being consistent).  I
>>> do not have to disagree with this to point out that it is an
>>> unsupported assumption [...]
Noel Smith 
>>The assumption produces the products of science. It is only "unsupported" 
>>if the products of science are not real; or if they are real, but not 
>>worthwhile. Which claim do you assert, Jeff, and can you support it?
Patrick:
>Oh, hell, even I have no problem with someone claiming that the products
>of science aren't "Real"; if the entire world I percieve is simply a
>product of a mad neurologist's wires, then certainly my T-1 link
>and my toaster oven are.
>Sure, it's an unsupported assumption.  I've been saying that for some
>time.  But it's not an *unwarranted* unsupported assumption.
   ...and if you've got a warrent, I guess you're gonna come in...
-- moggin
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Subject: Re: Pope votes for Evolution (was Re: Creation VS Evolution)
From: Bernie
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 02:43:56 +0800
Stephen Victor wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Jim Batka wrote:
> 
> > > Mistake numero uno: holding up the pope as some sort of a decent guy.
> > > Honestly, if ever there were a tyrant in sheep's clothing. He should be
> > > drawn and quartered for the misery he visits upon fertile women around
> > > the world.
> >
> > Again someone with a sense of humor!  I'm ROTFL now :).  I'm waiting for
> > the punch line on what he's afflicted upon the poor fertile women of the
> > world (they're all just going crazy because they lust after him and they
> > know he's celibate?).
> 
> Um, perhaps you've heard of the Catholic Church's ban on the use of
> artifical contraception?
> 
> --
> Stephen P. Victor                  svictor@compassnet.com
> Houston, Texas USA     http://www.compassnet.com/~svictor
> 
> "At a certain season of our life we are accustomed to
> consider every spot as the possible site of a house."
> Thoreau, Walden
The fact that the Pope votes for evolution contributes nothing.
Catholics don't believe in the bible. They believe in tradition.
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Subject: Re: Multiple Universes
From: "Minnie"
Date: 6 Dec 96 16:45:38 GMT
Each elementary particle could contain another universe.
-- 
Minnie
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/6863
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Subject: Re: Are there any phenomena that Quantum Theory fails to explain?
From: Wayne Shanks
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 11:35:49 -0500
Yebo Chen wrote:
> 
> Rich Haller  writes:
> 
> > Are there any such phenomena, however
> >'trivial' that QT cannot explain?
> 
> I'm sure there is, or else theoretical physicists would be out of a job.
> But seriously, I do believe that gravitation has not be fully unified with
> quantum mechanics.
I think Mr Haller is asking for a prediction that quantum makes that has
been experimantally found to be false.  Current quantum theory is
incomplete , but what it can predict it seens to hit the nail on the
head.  I do not know of any experiments where quantum has explicityy
failed.  Posibly the solar nutrino deficit, but there are many problems
with the experiments to cloud the results, and a new theory of nutrino
oscilations may explain the disagreement.  I can think of no uniquely
"quantum" expermiment that has failed.
Wayne
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Subject: Re: "Kittel, Chapter 1" as virtual reality world available
From: vogelges@london.physics.purdue.edu (Ralf Vogelgesang)
Date: 6 Dec 1996 16:41:35 GMT
In article <32A7DA70.5BC9@fluo.univ-lemans.fr>,
Armel Le Bail   wrote:
>That's fine. Just one problem. The size of some the VRML files
>may outpass the capacity of a Pentium 90MHz, 16Meg RAM, 2 Meg
>video. The charge in number of polygons is due mainly to spheres
>(50-100 polygons per sphere) or cylinders. An option wireframe
>would lead to smaller files.
True, that's why I am already providing the optional substitution
of spheres for cubes and cylinders for parallelepipeds ;-) If you
check my page, you should find in addition the option
to draw bonds and atoms non-interpenetrating.  All this  does _some_
good, but I'd still like to represent 7x7x7 cells on a regular pentium.
I am not aware a true wire-frame option in VRML. Bear with me, I'm only
just beginning to explore the language. From what I found on the net,
it seems to me that this is an inherent problem of VRML -- the current
desktops are simple not quite up to large worlds. (I'm suffering from the same
problem, btw.)
If you have a piece of VRML code for reference that reduces the impact
of the too-many polygons, please pass it on -- I'd be delighted to
incorporate it!
cheers, rafl
--
         *  *      ralf 
          *Q *
        *_/|- 	   maintainer of the soc.culture.german FAQ:
          / ! 	   
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Subject: Re: Frequency-Space paradox?
From: Alan \"Uncle Al\" Schwartz
Date: 6 Dec 1996 18:44:57 GMT
jimmosk@red.seas.upenn.edu (Jim J Moskowitz) wrote:
>I was reading an article in Quantum (the US/Russian student physics magazine)
>that got me thinking about Fourier decomposition, and I've run into what
>seems to me a paradox.  I'm hoping you can show me what I'm doing wrong.
>
>The article in question talked about uncertainty in physics, and used as one
>example the old "no instrument can make a pure note, because unless it plays
>the note for an infinitely long time there will be some other frequencies
>in its Fourier decomposition" case.  A wave that's localized in space (or 
>time) must have a frequency distribution.
>So if I play a G for a second and have a sensitive instrument that is set to 
>detect a frequency a thousandth of a Hertz lower than G, that instrument
>should be able to detect something (Note, i just picked G and 'a thousandth
>of a Hz' randomly -- if I should have actually picked other frequencies, like
>an octave above G, please make whatever change is necessary for my gedanken
>detector to pick something up).  Now, how much it can pick up should depend
>on the duration of the note I play; a G held for ten minutes will be more
>mono'chromatic', and the detector should pick up less on its non-G frequency.
>
>BUT, doesn't this imply that the detector 'knows' in advance for how long I'm
>going to play the note?  Doesn't the frequency-decomposition depend on how
>long the note is _going_ to be held??
>Perhaps I'm just mistaken in my belief that the frequency-decomposition of
>the sound wave is fixed over time.  If it changes, from broadband
>discontinuity-noise at the instant the note begins, to smooth regularity
>(maybe even mono'chromaticity'??) as the note is playing, there's no
>paradox.  But that's not how I remember learning Fourier analysis...
The note doesn't contain the uncertainty, the measurement does!  The 
duration of the note is irrelevant.  It is the time over which the 
frequency is measured which determines the minimum width at half eight of 
the envelope measured.  (Obviously, the measurement cannot 
meaningfully exceed the duration of the note, zero-filling in FT 
NMR aside).  Consider FT-NMR.  To get a frequency spread into the sample 
you do >not< synthesize a broad emission envelope.  You blast in a 
mammoth microsecond pulse and let uncertainty do the freqeuncy spreading.
-- 
Alan "Uncle Al" Schwartz
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Subject: Re: Vietmath War: DEAR AMERICA
From: JC
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 17:59:56 +0000
Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> 
> In article <1996Nov28.053338.4324@lafn.org>
> ba137@lafn.org (Brian Hutchings) writes:
> 
> > well, that was very evocative & touching, even coming from you!
> >
> > >  This documentary movie is based on the book, "Dear America: Letters
> > >Home From Vietnam" Edited by Bernard Edelman for The New York Vietnam
> > >Veteran Memorial Commission.
> 
>   Is there an opinion poll out there. Would you rather see the Vietmath
> series right through Xmass or should there be an hiatus until the
> students come back. Personally I prefer the students to ask their
> professors whether Naturals can be p-adics. I love to see a frightened
> math professor be put up against the wall. Ask him how many primes
> there are in Naturals = p-adics. I always thought the preoccupation
> that Number theorists give the primes as a neurotic shizophrenic
> psychosis. Does anyone remember that report from England where a
> researcher found this chemical affecting disease that makes a fetus
> born without a head if too little and if too much it is all head with
> no body? I believe he called the protein a "nogg".
Have you spoofed 'Born on The Fourth of July' yet? You could do
'Born on The Seventh of November', about a promising young
man who discovers newsgroups and becomes a waffling bore,
restricted to a swivel chair for the rest of his life.
JC
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Subject: Re: Gravity and Anti-matter
From: coolhand@Glue.umd.edu (Kevin Anthony Scaldeferri)
Date: 6 Dec 1996 11:12:24 -0500
In article <32A8E1BF.796C@ozemail.com.au>,
Jean-Joseph JACQ   wrote:
>
>It would seriously bother me for a couple of reasons. The main one being
>that Mach's principle of equivalence would no longer be true. If you
>take Einstein's thought experiment of a person in an accelerated lift,
>all experiments in the lift should give the same answer as a person
>stationary in a gravity field of equal strength. A ray of light is seen
>to bend down in the lift hence, gravity must cause the light to bend.
>But  if the negative mass bends up in a gravity field, it is no longer
>equivalent to the lift experiment (where obviously it still bends down).
>There goes SR, GR .
>
It would be disturbing, I admit, but the charge conjugation symmetry
is already broken in other physical theories, so it's not
unprecedented.
-- 
======================================================================
Kevin Scaldeferri				University of Maryland
"The trouble is, each of them is plausible without being instinctive"
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Subject: Re: VERY IMPORTANT!! PLEASE READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
From: richard@beulah.demon.co.uk (Richard Robinson)
Date: 6 Dec 1996 15:52:54 -0000
In article <32A57EC3.121B@atldev.com>,
Cam Chalmers   wrote:
>
>	I'll admit, this is against my usual stand of "The net is a wilderness,
>take as is, or get out" view of the net, but I do believe in limits, and
>NGs like aformentioned are beyond them.
There is also an idea that messages are best posted to appropriate
newsgroups. The one I am reading this in, for example, is
comp.lang.java.programmer, where it has very little connection to the
topic (theoretically) under discussion. If you could look for a way of
trimming down the list of groups you post to, this might be helpful.
Thanks.
-- 
Richard Robinson, Leeds, UK.
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem
           Nothing in the above should be read as suggesting that
             I may wish to receive bulk mailshots. I do *NOT*.
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Subject: Re: I hate it when they do this!
From: Jan Rosenzweig
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 14:22:56 -0500
Kevin Anthony Scaldeferri wrote:
> >I don't think you can do a Fourier series or transform on, say, the Cantor
> >dust or the Koch curve.  But we usually don't use anything like in
> >physics.
   Actually, F. transform is defined on L^{1} and it is an isometry of
L^{2} onto itself (Plancherel's theorem) so you can definitely apply it
to the Cantor function.
   Fourier Series is expansion of a function in L^{2} with respect to
an orthogonal basis. Again, you can do it for the Cantor function, but
it will converge in L^{2}. I don't really know if the Koch curve is
integrable.
> Certainly, but those types of function don't occur in the physical
> Hilbert space, so as long as you are working in the H. space, you
> don't have to worry.
   I am sorry, but I don't know what you mean by 'physical' Hilbert 
space. Hilbert spaces that one usually works with in analysis are
L^{2} and Sobolev spaces. They allow everywhere discontinuous functions
and functions with everywhere discontinuous derivatives, respectively,
so whenever you obtain something in such a space (e.g. by solving a PDE
or an integral equation - you usually solve them in one of those spaces)
it is not at all clear that it is continuous anywhere. Regularity
theorems are relatively easy to prove when they hold, but they do not
hold always and everywhere. The example with multiplying distributions
was supposed to illustrate what happens when you assume regularity that
you don't have. Unfortunately I can't recall who did it and what
contradiction he got - I think he assumed that a function that solves
\Laplace u = f with f continuous must have continuous second derivatives
or something like that.
   The example with shock waves actually comes from physics - shock 
waves describe gas dynamics. And you can't redefine them to have their
Fourier series converge to them pointwise.
-- 
Jan Rosenzweig
e-mail: rosen@math.mcgill.ca
office:                                        home:
Department of Mathematics and Statistics       539 Rue Prince Arthur O. 
Burnside Hall, room 1132, mbox F-10            Montreal
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    "It is unworthy of excellent men to lose hours, like slaves, in
     the labors of calculation"    ..... Leibnitz
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Subject: Re: Multiple Universes
From: nurban@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Nathan M. Urban)
Date: 6 Dec 1996 14:12:09 -0500
In article , John Christian  wrote:
> Remember, I'm trying to disprove the idea that universes split off at
> every (quantum) decicision.
I don't think it _can_ be disproven, as long as you postulate that these
universes don't interact with each other.
-- 
Nathan Urban | nurban@vt.edu | Undergrad {CS,Physics,Math} | Virginia Tech
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Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution
From: David
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 10:37:24 -0500
John Wrenn wrote:
> 
> cc16712@cdsnet.net wrote:
> >
> > "CHI CHI"  wrote:
> >
> > >George Black  wrote in article
> > ><329ffa8d.0@harold.midland.co.nz>...
> > >> In article <329A2686.4C03@dpie.gov.au>,
> > >>    Sean Downes  wrote:
> > >> >Judson McClendon wrote:
> > >> >
> > >If we are going to argue our case, we should use more sources than one book
> > >or magazine.  Scientific American is not the only source of information.  I
> > >find that sociologists and anthropologists greatly enforcing the theory of
> > >evolution, but they can never claim that it is nothing more than a theory.
> > >Astrologists and physicians are more apt to acknowledge that God exists
> > >because they see how complex the universe and the human body are and they
> > >know these did not come together by happenstance, they were planned,
> > >formed, and organized.  Anyone who really studies real science knows that
> > >it only proves the Bible to be right.
> >
> > [laughter]  Anyone who really studies science knows the bible hasn't a
> > clue.
> > Regards,
> > Stoney
> Anyone who studies the bible knows science has to many clues and not
> enough facts. That does not make science usless, it does tell me that
> nothing creates itself. Any high schooler knows the laws of entropy rule
> out evolution. One of the first principals I learned in High school
not so, of course.  read the dang thing first.
> sience was every cause has an effect, and the corallary is true: every
> effect has a cause. People can discuss effect all they want ie,
> creationism or evolution, but that does not establish cause. "God" the
> cause from the christian standpoint comes via revelation. From the
> viewpoint of man cause has not been nor can it be established. Man has a
Well, you're wrong there.  You can subscribe to the steady state theory
and say that the "tension" of space creates new protons, etc. all the
time.  Or perhaps a cyclic universe in which there are a series of Big
Bangs and Big Crunches ad infinum.  By saying that man can never
establish a cause without God is to severely underestimate man's ability
to deceive himself.  :)
> guilty knowledge of God and he suppresses this knowledge unrighteously.
> Today  people supress the knowledge of the God as evolution and the big
> bang, the effect that remains without a cause. Yesterday it was some
> sort of mythology or pagan story. Origins have one root that is in
> Christ, without him nothing was made, but no one believes that apart
> from the grace of God.
There is noone righteous, noone who seeks after God.  You can't expect
people to willingly embrace God, not without His intervention.  You've
got to expect them to kick against the pricks as hard as they can.  It's
only natural.
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Subject: Re: Challenge!
From: Alan \"Uncle Al\" Schwartz
Date: 6 Dec 1996 18:26:26 GMT
maxh@ldd.net (Max Hendrix) wrote:
>This won't work, but it gives a slightly different direction for
>thinking.  Lay fibers flat and coat with suitable polymer (highly
>plasticized epoxy?), cure.  Roll the resulting sheet like a jelly roll
>with additional polymer of the same type.
This is the way tangential flow hollow fiber filtration modules are 
assembled before end-potting.  We will try laying down a strip of 
adhesive tape or 3M Shark Skin, spreading the fibers, then pinning with a 
top strip of tape.  Shake out to disentangle, then do the bottom. Roll, 
cast, discard the ends.
Onward!  (at least after the holdiays).
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Subject: Re: Challenge!
From: Alan \"Uncle Al\" Schwartz
Date: 6 Dec 1996 18:27:41 GMT
clarke@web.net.au (Martin Lindsay) wrote:
>Alan \"Uncle Al\" Schwartz  wrote:
>
>Knit one Purl one
>Why not use textile fibre technology and spin/weave/plait the fibres
>into a "rope"?
>
>Encase the rope in a plastic sheath and voila! 
OK, how does this satisfy the "substantially parallel and evenly spaced  
in potting resin" part?
-- 
Alan "Uncle Al" Schwartz
UncleAl0@ix.netcom.com ("zero" before @)
http://www.ultra.net.au/~wisby/uncleal.htm
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Subject: Re: Can someone help me with air resistance?
From: Doug Craigen
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 10:26:17 -0600
Thomas Axelsson wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
>  Can someone explain to me, or guide me somewhere, about air
> resistance?.
> 
>  And furthermore, is there a FAQ for this newsgroup?
The URL in my .signature will point you to various physics student 
resources.  This includes an online textbook, solved problems, and the 
FAQ for this group.
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Subject: Re: DeBroglie's equation
From: Doug Craigen
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 10:43:32 -0600
Sriram Srinivasan wrote:
> 
> I have a layman's interest in physics, and I was hoping someone would answer
> this for me.
> 
> A friend told me that De broglie's equation, "wavelength = h * freq" was
> just a very simple derivation, or rearrangement of some other earlier
> equation (possibly from Einstein), but that this simple rearrangement
> put a new spin on the way people looked at this problem.
> 
> Can anyone confirm this, or  emphatically deny this? There's a wager
> resting on it.
According to Einstein a photon has energy = h*frequency 
and wavelength = h/momemtum.
De broglie extended this by suggesting that the same equations would apply to 
matter with mass.  His suggestion immediately led to better understanding of 
(for example) Bohr's quantization rules.
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Subject: Re: A case against nuclear energy?
From: jmc@Steam.stanford.edu (John McCarthy)
Date: 06 Dec 1996 19:05:59 GMT
In article  pfraser@dnai.com (Pete Fraser) writes:
 > 
 > First, apologies if this is inappropriate in this newsgroup.
 > 
 > I have just read a book called "Before It's Too Late -
 > A Scientist's Case FOR Nuclear Energy" by Bernard L
 > Cohen ISBN 0-306-41425-2. This book makes a fairly
 > strong and seemingly well reasoned case that the dangers
 > of nuclear energy are grossly exaggerated.
 > 
 > I am looking for a book or article which is a well reasoned 
 > rebuttal to Cohen's book. Can anybody steer me in the right
 > direction.
If I remember correctly, Cohen's book is 1984.  The main anti-nuclear
books, e.g. Gofman's _Poisoned Power_, are even earlier.  Neither side
has significantly new arguments.
Of course, Cohen is right and Gofman is wrong.
-- 
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/progress/
During the last years of the Second Millenium, the Earthmen complained
a lot.
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Subject: Re: Challenge!
From: jaspevacek@mmm.com (John Spevacek)
Date: 6 Dec 1996 19:49:27 GMT
Alan \"Uncle Al\" Schwartz  wrote:
>
>"Paul G. White"  wrote:
>>Alan \"Uncle Al\" Schwartz  wrote:
>>>The following has arisen in the day-to-day insanity of industrial 
>>>brouhaha:
>
>Guess whose Uncle wants the product.
>
No fair!!! First you say it's an industrial headache, then you say it's 
for Uncle Hillary! 
John
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Subject: Re: Challenge!
From: W R Shefte
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 12:38:31 -0600
Alan "Uncle Al" Schwartz wrote:
> 
> The following has arisen in the day-to-day insanity of industrial
> brouhaha:
> 
> You have a mostly parallel bundle of 200-1000 glass fibers about 6
> micrometers in diameter each, The bundle is between one and ten feet long
> (negotiable). You want to pot, pultrude, injection mold, or otherwise
> imbed the fibers (here comes the kicker) more or less evenly distributed
> in space (equidistant from each other) still more or less parallel, in a
> plastic rod (methacrylate, polycarbonate, almost anything transparent)
> one inch in diameter.  You need 100 feet of rod/week, then possibly 500.
>  Bonus points for continuous ten foot lengths.
> 
> If your answer touches screens, channel plates, or swellable terminal
> pottings - it's been tried.
> 
> --
> Alan "Uncle Al" Schwartz
> UncleAl0@ix.netcom.com ("zero" before @)
> http://www.ultra.net.au/~wisby/uncleal.htm
>  (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children, Democrats, and most mammals)
> "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"  The Net!
1. For a wave guide application?...why plastic matrix, need a particular
Mod of E?
2. CVD process may be a possibility depending on the actual physical
requirement of finished part have coated loong graphite fibers for matix
before...might want to talk to BIRL @ Northwastern in evanston
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Subject: Re: Electricity Problem
From: Alan \"Uncle Al\" Schwartz
Date: 6 Dec 1996 18:46:31 GMT
"Snider"  wrote:
>I've got a question that I have to do for physics home work but I cannot
>figure it out, can anybody help me:
>
>Q: Discuss the Electocardiogram and how it pertains to Electrostatics.
>
>Thank you for any help you can provide.
>							Tylor
Consider the resistance of your EKG leads necessary to make a meaningful, 
non-perturbing meaurement.
-- 
Alan "Uncle Al" Schwartz
UncleAl0@ix.netcom.com ("zero" before @)
http://www.ultra.net.au/~wisby/uncleal.htm
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Subject: Re: freedom of privacy & thoughts
From: caesar@copland.udel.edu (Johnny Chien-Min Yu)
Date: 6 Dec 1996 15:30:41 -0500
Why is mind control also lives control ?
(Part Three)
"When is the best time for the Mind Machine operators
while they want to manipulate people's lives."
Since the current mind control method is through control people's 
live to control people's will and behaviors, it is extremely for
people to know when (and how) the mind machine operators try to harm the
people.
Why the operators intend to manipulate (or injure) people's lives?
Only the operators can easily manipulate or reduce (injure) everyone's
health condition without victims' knowledge then it is considered as a
total (lives) control society.
That's because one will lose everythinbg (money and power) after 
he die.  So to control everyone's lives is the most important step
in mind control system in order to control everyone and everything 
in the soiciety.
The time which the operators try to harm the people is the same 
time when the operators are reading people's thoughts - in the
middle of the night or when people are sleeping deeply.  These are
the time when people are most vulnerable and defenseless.
What type of method they would usually use to harm people?
Typically, they would use the chronal gun.  But, they would only use it 
on low set and strike on the people's body to avoid of arousing the
victim's from sleep (or victim's attention).
I would show you these kind ofinformation below .
====================================================================
New World Order & ELF Psychtronic Tyranny --By C. B. Baker
FATE MAGAZINE also reported on a fall, 1991 article by Emil 
Fedorovich Bachurin, that was published in two issues of the MOLODAYA
GVARDIA MAGAZINE: "The information demonstrates the kinds of weapons
that fall under the heading of 'psychotronic weapons'." Bachurin
described the psychotronic devices as "dreadful." A human being 
becomes a silent cog in a hellish machine of all-devouring fear. AN
INDIVIDUAL'S BRAIN CAN BE SUPPRESSED, ACTIVITIES CURTAINED, and such
an individual WILL SUBMIT TO ANY WISH OF THE OPERATOR. ...Bachurin
list several types of 'psi-oruzhiye': 
     "The first, most effective, well known, destructive type,
tortures the victim and then kills him. It is based on INFRASONIC
" (very similar to the so-called "non lethal" psychotronic
devices now being pushed by the Justice Department)--"7 hertz ELF 
in frequency. The human brain and peripheral nervous system cannot
withstand such directed radiation. ...The secret of putting it to
proper use is finding the right screening emitter..."
   "Application of directed, high power microwave and ultrasound 
waves is the principle between the second type of psi-weapons.
Although these are two separate concepts, each one affects the
nervous system equally effectively: humans lose sleep. Insomnia
wrecks a human being and such weapons can be made portable."
  "The third type of psi-oruzhiye involves several systems: chronal
emitters, chronal guns, pyramid sets, and some cavity structures. 
The destructive effect here is achieved by creation of chronal 
beams,  consisting of tiny particles--chronos. Such beams are
all-penetrating, and their velocity allows the beams to disperse in
space instantaneously."
"After a volley from a chronal gun, the human aura is torn to pieces, 
and the victim's bioenergy defense is gone. 
*Should the energy circle around an individual's head (halo or nimbus) 
be hit, the mental abilities of the targeted person will be affected. 
Such weapon's do not kill, but do maim the psyche (Alan Yu note--however, 
theses kind of chronal beams are all-penetrating, the bullets of chronal 
gun can be used to damage the tissues of organs in order to induce the 
organs diseases such as liver disease, heart disease, gall blador 
disease,etc.    Also this kind chronal gun can be used as the technique' 
tool to remotely control the activation of human organism ).  
   Prolonged exposure to bullets from such weapons systems can affect 
the urinary system, sexual organs, the cranial brain, and the spinal 
cord. Leukemia and malignant brain tumors are the result."
  "The forth type, and by far the most dangerous for human targets,...is
the psi-generator. It is also known as a psi-amplifier, and psi-data
unit. And generators they truly are. What is being generated is
electromagnetic radiation that conforms to brain frequencies" (such as
the 10 hertz ELF signals generated by the Russian Woodpecker system of
Tesla Magnifying Transmitters). "Such radiation, when directed at the
target, can be used to suggest and transmit anything, any feeling--love,
hate, euphoria, anger, anguish, and suicidal thoughts. The psi-generators
can be used for remote transmission."
"Creators of such generators designed to shield the operator's brain. If
hit directly, the victim loses his will power, and should the person be
excited or think intensely about something at the time of the attack, the
victims suffer cerebral thrombosis."
==========================================================
According to victims report and my personal experiences of being 
attacked, the above weapons have been used in our society.
Therefore, readers should learn it to avoid being injured
(or being manipulated lives) without knowledge.
On which part of the victim's body would be striken by the chronal gun?
This would depend on operators' decision about what type of 
injury they want to inflict on the subject.
For example:
I. To make people stay at home by using the chronal gun to injure
people's feet.
If they want to debilitate and devitalize their victim, they could 
use the chronal gun (on low set) to lightly strike on victim's feet
(extensor or peroneal retinaculum), lower leg (gastrocnemius), thigh
(hamstring, retus femoris) and arms to avoid unsuspecting victim knowing
then hinder the victim's movement (The intention of the operators seem to
be at to "cripple" the victims, so the victims would have difficulties
using their limbs).
II. To induce the alzlieimer disease or losing memory:
Also, they could use the chroanl gun to strike the victim's head 
(along with microwave radiation) to cause the victim to become
senile and lose his memories.  After taking these above actions, the
operators can make a health person into a sickman within a few 
month or half of year.  
These attacks on the victim are committed by the operators through 
the use of invisible wave weapon (so called "nonlethal" weapons) and
slowly change the victim's health conditions.
III. Reducing people's vision: 
If they are trying to ruin the victim's vision, the operators would 
focus microwave radiation at the victim's eye region while the 
victim is sleeping.
However, the opertors can also remotely emit the stronger microwave
radiation through the TV or monitor (by use the power beaming system
patent to increase the energy on the radiation emitter of TV or monitor)
to injure the victims' eyes while the victims are watching TV (or
monitor).
IV. Inducing the liver, heart, kedney disease on people:
If they are trying to harm people's liver, thy can use the chronal 
gun or infrasound (on low set) to strike on the liver of victims 
lightly while peple are sleeping.
If they are trying to cause the heart disease to a victim, they can  
use the chronal gun (and infrasound) to harm the victim's heart or use 
the microwaves to change (slow down, or speed up) the beat of the
victim's heart daily  while the subject falls into a deep sleep in
order to keep the victim  from find out.
They also can use the chronal gun to strike the acupuncture point of 
victims' body to harm the different organ.  These kind of actions 
can be done without the knowledge of the victim and help the operators 
to achieve their evil goals (manipulate people's lives). 
I would show you such kind information as below:
(attachment)
====================================
(See page 105-106 on "Electromagneytic Man" by Cyril W. Smiyth and 
Simon Best, First published in the USA in 1989 at St. Martin's Press Inc)
The art and philosophy of acupuncture cannot be understood in western 
scientific terms.    There are hundreds of acupuncture point in human 
body, each relates to a specific and remotely situated body organ of 
function which can be affected by some treament at  the appropriate 
acupuncture point.   The affects may be producd by the application of 
weak electric currents or current pulses, or highly coherent radiation 
from a low-power laser (trelles, 1985) or a microwave oscillator (Andrev 
et al., 1984).
=============================================================
However, the above effects can also be produced by the chronal gun or
acoutic bullets (so called nonlethal weapon) instead of the coherent
radiation wave (laser). 
The another information shoiws that acpuncture point can be introduced 
onto the human nervous system (different points on body can relate with
different organs of human).
(attachment)--New World Order & ELF Psychotronic Tranny by C.B. Baker
===========================================================
The 1988 book, PSYCHIC WARFARE--FACT OR FICTION, edited by John White,
carried several articles by Thomas E. Bearden, leading U.S. expert on
Soviet Tesla and psychotronic weapons. In his article titled, "Soviet
Psychotronic Weapons, A Condensed Background," Bearden stated: "The
psychotronic patterns/effects can be modulated onto electromagnetic
signals, even of very low intensity" (such as ELF and VLF), "and still
affect living systems because of the KINDLING EFFECTS; i.e. the
psychotronic virtual state modulations are stripped off by a living
system (IN THE ACUPUNCTURE POINTS NEAR THE SURFACE OF THE SKIN) and
introduced onto the human nervous system where they begin to superpose
coherently as time passes. Such collection eventually reach the quantum
threshold and OBSERVABLE PHYSICAL CHANGE RESULTS."
"...By modulating psychotronic (PT) signals onto electromagnetic (EM)
carriers, visible light squelching can be overcome. The PT modulations
are then delivered to the bio-logical (or material) targets through the
light--photons go right through other photons without interaction except
in the most extreme cases--and ACTIVATE THE ACUPUNCTURE POINTS." Soviet
physicist, "Victor Adamenko, discovered that acupuncture points form
plexuses or groupings, THAT ARE FREQUENTLY SENSITIVE. Further, these
plexuses are coordinated with and to specific body locations. BY CHOICE
OF FREQUENCY, ONE CAN THEREFORE DETERMINE WHAT PART OF THE TARGET'S BODY
IS EFFECTED."
====================================================
So if the machine operators use the chronal to lightly strike on 
the acqupuncture point of human, it can also harm internal organs of 
the victims without victims knowing this.   According to my best
knowledge, the machine operators of Taiwan commonly use the chronal gun
to strike the vital acupuncture points of victins if the operators do
have the knowledge of where the acupuncture points are and what are its
functions.
The machine operastors usually use the above methods to harm the 
victims who might interfere with the interests of mind control
organization or those people whom they dislike.  In such type of
situation, the operators even harm the unsuspecting victims who are
already under their control.
Furthermore, the area which are most lightly "striked" with the 
chronal gun bullets on the victims, are the function control center 
of brain.  So that the mahine operators can remotely control the
activation mechanism of the human organism (for example, the region
being striked at could be the portion of the brain which control
functions such as breathing, thinking, emotions, excretion of bodily
waste, etc).    These kind actions are used to check the subject's
health condition in order to control the unsuspecting subject's
health and live.  
The operators will also divide the unsuspecting subject into the 
different physical condition group ( such as old, young, strong or
weak, abnormal,etc) according to one's health condition (or the
average urine amount).   
So, every preson would belong to one of the above group according to 
mind control organization's classification.  Except the above 
classification, sometime the operators might use the number as a 
identity of a special subject if the number is also supposed to 
represent a special health condition of a subject.   Anyway, it means
everyone should have a identity in the mind control organization no
matter the identity is the "old, young, strong, weak,etc." or a number.
The above sitation has proven that the mind control operators are
controlling our people's lives.
The operators call this identity "money" -  This is their secret 
code and this "money" is also presenting a person's health 
condition.
These kind identity (or number) are recorded by the local (county 
or city) machine operator and will notify other area's operators to
double check a subject if one move to other area.  In the mind
control organization, these kind identity is very important
information to the operators because they believe that the health
condition of one won't suddenly change automatically.  So it is
condsidered as a effective verification to a unsuspecting subject.  
If one's identity of health condition shows the same in the different
area then basically one is allowed to live as normal and work without
bothering.  That's because the same "money" proves that one is a unknowing
person in the mind (lives) control system.  So the person is considered as
under total control in the circumstane.   Otherwise, one cannot live in
mormal condition, or even won't be allowed to work.  
If one try to works in such kind condition, one will be tortured by the
operators with thre acoustic bulllets, chronal gun, infrasound, and 
microwave voices. 
  So, this identity (the secret code, "money") is the very important 
factor to the mind control organization.  It can determine that does 
a person have the rights to live and work in normal condition at the 
local area or any operator controlled area.  
Why?
That's because the operators frequently injure people in order to
manipulate people's lives and change people's health condition.
Also the operators try to know that are their targets aware of the 
mind (lives) control system in current society. 
If the victim does not have the same "money" as before the other 
operator has identified , it mean that this person is aware of being
injured in the mind control urveilliance system.
Therefore, this person will be the next target of the mind control 
organziation.  
(attachment)
-----------------------------------------
Acoustic bullets weapon: 
One concept uses 1-2 -meter antenna dishes to from the beams into 
acoustic bullets that can produce incremental effects ranging from 
discomfort to death.
(See page 62 on " Aviation week & Space Technology / May 24, 1993)
   High frequency acoustic bullets used against people would induc 
blunt-object trauma "like being hit by a baseball."  According to John 
Alexander of Los Alamos, "Proof of principle has been established; we can 
make relatively compact acoustic weapon."
(   See page 43 on THE BULLETIN OF THE ATOMIC SCIENTISTS -- 
September/October 1994)
--------------------------------------
The above weapon will cause obvious pain, so it only use on the
isolated victims.
When the operators begin to use acoustic bullets, low radio wave 
weapon, or microwave weapon (on high set) to strike on the targets
with high energy then the mind machine operators have decided to elminate
the victim openly.  
To those people who oppose the interests of mind control organization 
and have been isolated in the mind game(war), the machine operators
would secretly hurt these victims as described above.  The operators
can remotely focus the low frequency radio wave to attack victims' heart
(with the power beaming system patent to power the emiters)) while
these victims walk on street (near light poles or power line), or
strolling outside of shopping center.   Such kind attacks are
intentioned to murder these victims.  The operators would generaly
attacked the victims' hearts from the front or the back.  If these
victims know how to protect themselves and cover up the front and the
back, it still could not completely protect the victims.  This is
because the machine operators could even focus the low radio frequency
to attack on the victim's heart through the victim's shoulder.
Also, these type of attack would continued to occur in victim's cars.  
That's because the low frequency radio wave emitters of the cars can 
be modulated to injure human body to cause pains and injuries without
evidence.
This kind weapon information is as below.
(attachment)--"New World Order & ELF Psychotronic Tyranny" by C. B. 
Baker
==========================================================
Several U.S. high tech laboratories, with the help of Soviet 
scientist, are working on very low frequency (VLF) weapons. NEXUS
reported that these U.S. high labs, including Col. Alexander Los Alamos
Laboratory, are working on "developing high power, VERY LOW FREQUENCY
acoustic beam weapons.   Some Very Low Frequency sound generators, in
certain frequency ranges, CAN CAUSE DISRUPTION OF HUMAN ORGANS, and at
high power levels CAN CRUMBLE MASONARY." 
 "Very Low Frequency (VLF) sound (20-35 kHz), or low-frequency 
radio-frequency modulation CAN CAUSE NAUSEA, VOMITING, AND 
ABDOMINAL PAINS." 
============================================================
The above information prove that the low radio-frequency can be 
remotely beam to attack the heart of victims in cars based on the 
power beam system patent.  
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
  Alan Yu
  The first objective of mind control organization is to manipulate 
  people's lives in order to eliminate their opponents or enemies 
  secretly (die as if natural cause).  
  The mind (machine) control system is the national security system of 
  Taiwan from late of 1970s and should be the same in US or lots free 
  countries (Mind machine in Taiwan is translated as Psychologicl Language
 Machine or in Mandarin sounds as "Sin_ Li _Yue_ Yen _Gi").
  Accusing other as insane without evidence is the "trademark" of mind
  control organization.
  (If any law enforcement officer declare anyone as "insane" and 
   the social security department do not put these individual in the 
   welfare program as diable person, then it only represent a kind of
   political suppression or false accusation to discredit someone.
   That' because the local law enforcement is the basic unit of mind
   control)
  The shorter the lie is, the better it is.  So, the liar can avoid
  inconsistency and mistakes that other people can catch.
  Only the truth will triumph over deception and last forever.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Subject: Div Grad and Curl are Dead...
From: heafnerj@mercury.interpath.com (Joe Heafner - Astronomer)
Date: 6 Dec 1996 20:05:10 GMT
Hello.
Does anyone know the status of the late William Burke's book _Div Grad 
and Curl are Dead_? I understand that this was a work in progress when he 
died over the summer.
I've heard wonderful comments about Burke's approach to differential 
geometry and I'm trying to locate some of his works. There was talk of 
someone finishing the book and having it published. Does anyone know 
about this?
				Thanks,
--
				-- Joe Heafner
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	*      Joe Heafner, Astronomy and Physics Instructor        *
	*       Work:(704)327-7000, x.246 Home:(704)464-1055        *
	*              heafnerj@mercury.interpath.com               *
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Subject: Re: Movie: HEAVEN's TV
From: rmeyer@spd.dsccc.com (Russ Meyer)
Date: 6 Dec 1996 18:34:55 GMT
Archimedes Plutonium (Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu) wrote:
: Few movies try to depict Heaven simply because religion is deplete of
: scientific meaning. About the closest that the movies have come is
: JASON AND THE ARGONAUTS or CLASH OF THE TITANS.
:   The Bible which is supposed to talk about Heaven is mostly gibberish
: on the subject.
:   Until now, there was never any sort of mental picture of Heaven, now
: until.
: Well, I got stuck in a creative mode. Seems as though all of my movies
: so far show too much common thread of me. So I need a new type of
: sci-fi movie. to go along with my
: others. They seem typical of an AP movie and should someone walk into
: the middle of one of them might remark, ah, an AP movie not knowing the
: title or maker. We can immediately spot a  Rolling
: Stones song or a composer like Handel or a modern new wave of Vangelis
: after hearing a brief few seconds. So I want to see if I
: can break out of that creative channeling that creative Mold and see if
: I can create a
: movie that is atypical of a previous AP movie. A new wave AP movie is
: attempted here. I think I have found it in this movie how to break out
: of my old mold and it will be modified and grow and when finally in a
: good form I will add it to my other movie collections.
:   You know how in some movies they sandwich themes into the
: storytelling. Such as (1) The Beginning  (2) The Affair etc. I think I
: need to do that touchful art in my movie with titles such as (1) Who
: God and gods are  (2) When you Enter Heaven  (3) Heaven's Judgement 
: (4) Purpose of Life   (5) Superdeterminism (6) Fields of Elysium   (7)
: Reincarnation.  Well, sort of those titles, have not decided them yet,
: nor their order. I have to edit, polish and refine this movie. This is
: the first time a major movie will depict Heaven as to what Heaven is
: really like.
:                        HEAVEN's TV
:   [curtain is drawn, credits cited,... based on the story and theory of
:   Archimedes Plutonium ,  play some Vangelis music, chariots of fire
: would be nice since it was too good for the running movie]
:                 (1) Who God and the gods are
:   [play the music by Strauss, the piece played in 2001, that music was
: far too good to be played for 2001]
:     Show a hydrogen atom then a helium then the next element then the
: next. Show it nuclear growing into plutonium. 
:    Show 231PU this is God. This is Everything. Show a dot of the 5f6
: electron cloud. This dot is the Milky Way Galaxy. Show the dot being
: magnified. Now we see the stars of the Milky Way and magnified more we
: zoom into the Solar System and finally Earth.
:    Go back to the 231PU and show the Nucleus. Zoom into the Nucleus.
: View the 94 Protons among the 137 Neutrons. These 94 Protons are the
: lesser gods because they control the electrons. You can sort of picture
: some of the other electrons not the 5f6 electrons as perhaps devils. 
:    In the beginning,
:       in the beginning were atoms,   in-between were atoms, and in the
: end there will only be atoms.
:     All is atoms, and nothing else exists. Only atoms exist.
:                    (2) When you Enter Heaven 
: [enact a scene of someone entering Heaven]
:    Show a man and woman both entering Heaven. Heaven is located in the
: Nucleus of 231PU. Heaven is the place of the Protons. A proton
: individually is some fantastic ball of engineering capable of
: controlling every atom of an Electron that is assigned to that specific
: Proton. Thus we must imagine some exquisite house where inside are
: exquisite equipment that controls large numbers of atoms outside the
: house. This house is not fixed or resting permanently but instead can
: move and change forms.
:    So, when we enter Heaven we can go to one proton house or we can be
: judged in front of all 94 Protons with the 137 Neutrons there also.
:    Now, at the moment of entering Heaven , we are no longer flesh and
: blood. We are just a soul. But a soul is composed of photons and
: neutrinos and they are bundled together into what looks like you in
: your past life only we appear like a multicolored light bulb. It is me
: only light zipping back and forth. So a soul is a state of energy of
: photons and neutrinos zipping back and forth and which looks like me in
: my past life. In Heaven, all life forms are this photon/neutrino
: plasma. Here in Heaven one can see a insect, a grass, a tree , a dog
: and past friends of their photon and neutrino souls. These photon
: neutrino souls are all the thoughts that the former lifeform had
: throughout its life.
:                         (3) Heaven's Judgement
:       Upon death, we all go into the Nucleus of 231PU and are judged by
: the 94 Protons. They weigh the good and the bad of your previous life
: and with that verdict decide how to rebundle your photon/neutrino soul.
: The photon/neutrino soul is the part of you that lasts the longest. If
: you were predominantly good in your past life, you will be granted your
: wish. All of us in our lives have a wish of what we will be next. My
: wish was to be a physicist/engineer on a planet of the most advanced
: life in the 5f6, where my specialty is microsecond pulsar
: communications and which obviously is not Earth.
:                (4) Purpose of Life
:    The purpose of life is to serve our God---- an atom -------- 231PU.
: And since our God is an atom, and nothing but atoms exist, then it is
: its desire that we were created to manufacture atoms, different atoms
: from existing atoms. We are the cold stars of the universe as compared
: to the hot stars. We are here to nucleosynthesize.
: [here play the song Breath In Me Breathe of God, only with my lyrics]
:   Carbon in us
:   Carbon of Plutonium
:   Fill us 
:   With life 
:   anew
:   That we my love
:   What thou dost love
:   And do, what thou
:   Superdetermines us to do
:   Plutonium in us
:   Atom Plutonium
:   thus shall we never die
:   but live with thee
:   part in thy Electron infinity
:   part in thy Proton divinity
:   Atom
:                 (5) Superdeterminism
:   [this section of the movie is very important for after seeing this,
: the concept of superdeterminism will be a household word the world
: over. The word the world over. The God of the Bible is a
: 'let-things-alone' man. He lets man/woman do whatever they do. The God
: of 231PU is the exact opposite. Everything, yes, everything is ordained
: and controlled, from the very thoughts that we have to every action
: that we do. Even our very thoughts that we are free was in fact ordered
: up by the Protons of 231PU. The supreme identity, the supreme being is
: 231PU and the lesser gods are the 94 Protons.
:   I had died, and gone to Heaven. I had appeared before the 94 Proton
: Gods. They took the form of 94 gods that I had read in mythology and
: was infatuated with. If I had been infatuated with Jesus and God as a
: bearded old man then I would have seen a Jesus and a old bearded man of
: God at my Judgement. But I was not infatuated with them for in my youth
: and later when I discovered the Atom Totality, my gods  were Pluto,
: Zeus, Ceres, Persphone, Hera, Mercury, and many others. Some Hindu gods
: , Brahma, Shiva, and Vishnu and Nordic gods of Thor were also present.
: I did not ask questions and figured that the Protons had appeared in a
: form as to what my mind expected them to appear as. The Protons had put
: into my mind what the gods will look like when I see them. I asked
: another soul, a woman who had died and gone to Heaven who I meet in the
: Fields of Elysium, I asked her the question who presided over her
: judgement seat and she said
: God, Jesus, the Holy Ghost and Mary. And I asked
: her if there were others there also? She said yes. How many I asked
: her. I did not count them. Something like a hundred. I thought then
: that
: one of the reasons 231PU forced so many people back on Earth to accept
: the God and Jesus religion because it was easier on the Protons when
: people come to Heaven that the Protons can quickly and expediently take
: the form of a old man and a young Jesus. If 231PU made Earth's religion
: that of its true form of physics, why as soon as people arrived in
: Heaven the Protons would have to go into teaching people physics which
: is a burden, I thought. So why did not the Protons at my judgement seat
: appear as physics protons? I do not know, perhaps it was easier to
: appear as a Zeus and the Greek gods than to appear as a huge elaborate
: precise machinery that I could not possible fathom.
:    At the judgement seat my good and bad on Earth were weighed. And I
: was
: shown scenes of my former life in front of Zeus and the other 94 gods.
: Whenever there was a question about my former life or some emphasis
: that one of the 94 gods wanted to make on me, then a scene,
: all-true-to-life , in sound and in color were displayed in full, right
: there before me.
: They granted me my wish. I wished not to ever return to Earth, but to
: go to an advanced alien planet and be a engineer of pulsar signals. In
: the ensuing days I was to rest or wait or something here in Heaven
: before my photon/neutrino
: soul was rebundled and go to my new planet out there in the 5f6
: Electron space. Perhaps this had something to do with the 94 Electrons
: and that the verdict of my judgement still waited on the final word of
: 231PU after hearing the word by the 94 Protons, 137 Neutrons, and 94
: Electrons. 
:     (6) Fields of Elysium
:    The Fields of Elysium is the waiting room here in Heaven before my
: photon/neutrino soul is rebundled and I am alive and well out on my new
: planet.
:  And my adjourn in Heaven and Fields of Elysium in particular is
: timeless. One day in
: the nucleus could be 1 day or a million years on Earth. There seemed to
: be no time here in Heaven, no anxiety, no demands, no schedules and no
: work.
:    So I wandered over to see the environs of Fields of Elysium and I
: saw the most beautiful flowers in amongst clover. There was a crowd
: gathering near a fancy building looked like the Taj Mahal back on Earth
: but it was stained glass. Inside it looked like a movie theater back on
: Earth. It was sort of like that a big screen on the wall and everyone
: was watching little TV sets in carrells.  I suppose the big one on the
: ceiling was to direct people. I wanted to go back outside and did so. I
: wanted
: to see if any aliens were present so that I could ask them questions
: about their planet, where I was expecting to go to next. I did not find
: any and
: it seemed that I was in a part of Heaven that was only humans. Think of
: that a human heaven and another heaven for aliens of planet x and
: another for aliens of planet y. And the plants and animals and insects
: were here also in heaven. But these insects do not bite. They were just
: light and I could stick my light finger right through them as if
: nothing happened. Oh well, I did
: not want to think deeply here in Heaven, because I would not remember
: it when I got to my new planet.
:     I wandered back to the TV building and asked a person who was not
: too preoccupied what is playing. You must be new here? Yes I told him,
: arrived yesterday or so I thought. I told him I had lost track of time.
: He laughed and said, son, there is no time here in Heaven, relax.
:     He comforted me by giving me the answers I wanted. Seems as though
: he
: was prepared for every one of my questions. Anyway, I found out that
: the TV building had every and any scene that had happened on Earth up
: to my death. So I went in to sit at a TV and started to dial in the
: time on Earth. I had forgotten how I died so I dialed into my life and
: watched it all over again. Seemed as though my memory came back to me.
: The scientist urge came upon me and I was curious how Earth was first
: formed and the first appearance of life on Earth, I fast rewound the
: dial to get to primordial Earth. Could not find it. Oh well, tired of
: looking so dialed for the first life. Do not know if I had skipped the
: first life and
: was bored seeing plankton and algae of the sea. Rewound it again but
: saw the plankton. Perhaps these TVs are not that finely tuned. Oh well
: , went outside into the meadows for a break.
:    When I returned to the TV building I dialed in the
: extinction of the dinosaurs for I had thought up a test to see if the
: TV was finely tuned. I would try the test on the dinosaur extinction
: and saw the mammals eating the eggs of the
: dinosaurs in many scenes. My eyes started getting tired from all the
: fast forward and fast rewind. I went back out into the meadows and
: looked and saw this mountain. Nightfall was coming and went back to the
: TV building and tonight I wanted to entertain myself and see my past
: life as Archimedes. I dialed in my life as Archimedes in Ancient Greek
: times.
: That was fun to watch and flashes of memory returned to me.
:   Then I decided to check my hunch about another famous person around
: the time of Archimedes, that of Jesus. I remembered that I had
: concluded Jesus was a Essene revolter who was the medicine man of a
: clan of fighters. He had morphine in his bag and so many of his tales
: or stories about him revolve around the fact that he overdosed his
: patients and himself on morphine. So I set the sensor to fast forward
: around the year 34 AD.  And I watched the TV, saw Jesus eating sleeping
: going to the bathroom, making love to his wife Mary Magdalene. I had
: remembered about a Catholic priest in the 12th century known to have
: had evidence that Jesus was an ordinary man, an Essene revolter who was
: crucified but actually escaped with Mary Magdalene, his wife and with
: her father escaped the Romans and returned back to England. Her father
: was a mining official and Jesus had spent many of his young years
: mining because he loved Mary Magdalene. So, there was no resurrection
: or ascension or the other goobley-gook stuff that followed the
: crucifixion. There was an escape. And I watched it on the TV just as if
: I were there.
:     Thing about Heaven is there is no need for eating or sleeping or
: washing. There is no time.  Things just seem to happen.
:     I returned often to the TV building and was spending more time in
: the TV building than outside in the pristine fields and meadows and
: mountains.
:     Finally I became inquisitive of other souls, excuse me, people in
: the TV building for I had noticed that most of them seemed to be
: watching the same stuff.  I started to ask around and found out most
: people were watching
: the Vietnam War. Now if my Earth memory does not fail me, it seems as
: though that war lasted for around 15 years.
: Seems as though I am losing track of Earth time. 
:     Most people were watching the
: Vietnam War. Here in Heaven if you dial a time and place on Earth such
: as 1960 Saigon Vietnam then the TV shows all sorts of happenings all
: around Vietnam,
: true happenings as if you were there and just eavesdropping. Of course
: the real people on the TV would not know you are watching them. The TV
: had sensors which by the motion of your hand or finger you could fast
: forward, or rewind , or slow or pause. So one moment you can be
: in Saigon and another moment in the Tet Offensive. You can fast forward
: or replay or slow down the action. 
: [here in the movie show actual live color scenes with sound of the
: Vietnam War.]
:    A lot of TV watchers there in Heaven seemed stuck on Vietnam and I
: asked them. Why Vietnam? And some said, I had died in that war. 
: Some said they loved Vietnam TV because all of the human emotions are
: expressed. Look, I can go on a patrol in the jungle and look for booby
: traps or see action and 
: then go into Saigon and go into a whore house and see lust of sex. I
: can get a full gamut
: of human emotions and feelings and actions compressed in 10 years of
: Vietnam.
: Vietnam is definitely the best TV show down here in Heaven because you
: did not have to play with the rewind or fast forward or controls as
: much.
:  [ a movie footnote: the US military
: ought to have a rating like a gunners mate or a radioaman for a
: in-field-filmer, a person whose major duty is to film the others in
: action]
:    Then, one day I was beckoned from my seat from watching Vietnam. I
: rose and followed this sleek beautiful women who I had never seen
: before. Who I instantly fell in love with. She opened
: the door to this building and said a voice that sounded like music, and
: as soon as I stepped inside I was falling
: into this huge large machine. Reminded me of a physics accelerator back
: on Earth. And I was gone. My photons/neutrinos were
: being stripped from me , photon and neutrino one-at-at-time from inside
: my soul, and these individual photons and neutrinos were shot one by
: one into space, mostly in one direction it appeared. Most were shot
: into the direction of a galaxy and a planet in that galaxy. I suppose
: that was my newly reincarnated life.  I was reincarnated as a advanced
: alien on a planet in a galaxy.
:  IN THIS MOVIE, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT to display the backdrop of
: Heaven-- one of the 94 Protons as one huge gigantic clockwork
: machinery. The set must look like it is an exquisitely precise
: machinery. Not only precise engineered machinery at the end where I
: fall into this accelerator, but everything in Heaven is one huge
: elaborate machinery for the Protons in the Nucleus of 231PU keep tabs
: and control the 94 Electrons, everything that exists in the electrons
: and everything that happens in the electrons. Thus show elaborate
: machines , for more sophisticated than anything we have seen. In fact,
: Heaven is one huge gigantic clockwork precision laboratory whose
: overall purpose is to control what happens out in the 94 Electron space
: and mass.
: [play Handel's Messiah and sing my lyrics]
:    ATOM PLUTONIUM
: And it shall nucleosynthesize forever and ever
: Forever, and ever
: Atom Plutonium, Atom PLutonium
: Atom of Atoms, forever and ever
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Subject: Re: Challenge!
From: W R Shefte
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 15:41:07 -0600
Alan "Uncle Al" Schwartz wrote:
> 
> W R Shefte  wrote:
> >Alan "Uncle Al" Schwartz wrote:
> >>
> >> The following has arisen in the day-to-day insanity of industrial
> >> brouhaha:
> >>
> >> You have a mostly parallel bundle of 200-1000 glass fibers about 6
> >> micrometers in diameter each, The bundle is between one and ten feet long
> >> (negotiable). You want to pot, pultrude, injection mold, or otherwise
> >> imbed the fibers (here comes the kicker) more or less evenly distributed
> >> in space (equidistant from each other) still more or less parallel, in a
> >> plastic rod (methacrylate, polycarbonate, almost anything transparent)
> >> one inch in diameter.  You need 100 feet of rod/week, then possibly 500.
> >>  Bonus points for continuous ten foot lengths.
> >>
> >> If your answer touches screens, channel plates, or swellable terminal
> >> pottings - it's been tried.
> >>
> >1. For a wave guide application?...why plastic matrix, need a particular
> >Mod of E?
> >2. CVD process may be a possibility depending on the actual physical
> >requirement of finished part have coated loong graphite fibers for matix
> >before...might want to talk to BIRL @ Northwastern in evanston
> 
>    1) Buyer specs are not for us to question, merely supply.
>    2) CVD won't produce 9500 in^3 of >anything< each week.
> 
> If it were easy anybody could do it.
> 
> --
> Alan "Uncle Al" Schwartz
> UncleAl0@ix.netcom.com ("zero" before @)
> http://www.ultra.net.au/~wisby/uncleal.htm
>  (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children, Democrats, and most mammals)
> "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"  The Net!
Re 2. certainly not if the plastic matrix is a requirement...but
otherwise NANA Can Too (9300cuin/wk)!
3. How bout stereo lithography, arranged w/ a feeder plate on the
rostrum delivering the fibers vertically through a die,like a pultrusion
die, I'll bet yu could set up a continuous process limited only by the
fiber length.
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Subject: Re: The Electrostatic Source of Magnetism and Gravity
From: kfischer@iglou.com (Ken Fischer)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 18:17:22 GMT
V. Guruprasad () wrote:
: In article , kfischer@iglou.com (Ken Fischer) writes:
: |> rsansbury (rns@concentric.net) wrote:
: |> :   The basic idea here is that gravity may be due to radially oriented 
: |> : electrostatic dipoles inside the earth's atomic nuclei; the negative 
: |> : pole, with some multiple of the electron's charge, is the inner pole  
: |> : the outer pole has enought positive charge so that the total charge is 
: |> : that of a proton; the distance between  oppositely charged poles is 
: |> : between 10^-12 and 10^-18meters inside the earth's atomic nuclei; the 
: ...
: |>         Gravity is without question caused by electromagnetism,
: |> but certainly _NOT_ by a long range attraction, which seems to
: |> be what you are saying.
: Nevertheless, a long range attraction must result to qualify as a model.
       Why?    In General Relativity, freefalling objects
are _not_ accelerated, and that statement covers everything,
atoms, protons, even photons and other particles.
       So if everything in freefall is in inertial motion,
why would any attractive forces, or any forces at all be
needed?
       Sure things _appear_ to accelerate, but a cognizant
observer that knows that freefall _is_ inertial motion should
be smart enough to know that forces are not needed to maintain
inertial motion.
: A much simpler mathematical construction is to consider how the dipole
: distribution would evolve on its own.
        Can anybody describe dipole "attraction"?   Can anybody
describe a flux through given cross sections of billions of ergs
per square cm?
: Let's start with 2 dipoles not stuck to each other, but within range
: all the same.  If they happen to be oriented parallel initially, they'll
: repel and move apart, weakening the repulsion.  If they happen to be
: initially antiparallel, they will attract and stick together, resulting
: in net zero moment.  More likely is that they will be at some angle
: initially.  In that case, the mutual torque will cause them to align
: anti-parallel and come together again.  The attractive orientations
: thus outnumber the only repulsive orientation.
       What prevents repulsive arrangements?   Gravity is very
dependable, and has never failed, or even had a little glitch,
that I know of.
: If we began with 3 dipoles, attraction follows in like manner, except
: that when the dipoles come togther, the moments cannot cancel out.
: If we begin with more dipoles, chances are that they will never quite
: get to bind together in a tight bundle, like old fashioned match sticks
: in a box, but will bond at their ends to make a lattice structure.
: Thus, we can construct a scenario where dipole moments can result
: in net attraction and yield something that resembles solid matter, and
: even the 1/r^2 character follows from the spherical symmetry in the
: large number limit.
        This seems to be a totally separate thing from the
way atoms and molecules form.
: The construction comes from iron filings-in-oil demos that someone
: called Newman(*) used to give in the 70s to explain his theory of gravity.
       Is that the same Neumann that promoted a perpetual
motion generator that he started spinning by hand, and
just because it kept a flourescent light light for 5 minutes,
it was suppose to be free energy?
: Any such model is not useful, however, unless you can also prove
: it to be the only possible solution, or that quantum gravity must
: lead to physically indistinguishable results.  Proof of the latter kind
: appears to be unlikely at present.
       I think any viable model need to explain a few more things
besides gravity, simply because all of energy interactions are
either indexed mathematically to gravity, or gravity has substantial
effects in the interactions.
: --
: (*this is merely an acknowledgement of an idea, not a call for debate
: on divergent matters!)
: ===========
: employers disclaimed as usual.
         That should be Divergent Matter, as in "The Electro-
magnetic Divergence of Matter". :-)
Ken Fischer
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Subject: Re: Pope votes for Evolution (was Re: Creation VS Evolution)
From: hahaha
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 07:44:09 -0500
Luke Tucker wrote:
> 
> H.W. Stockman wrote:
> /
> / Bently Durant wrote:
> /
> / > I could be rong but I don't think that my god would allow that for
> /              ^^^^
> / > long so feel free to point out any mistakes I might have made.
> / > Thank you.
> /
> / You are welcome.
> 
> Snigger
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Subject: Online magazine
From: apeiron@vif.com (C. Roy Keys)
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 23:11:04 GMT
To all readers:
Please note that Apeiron, an online journal of physics and
astrophysics, can now be consulted at the following URL:
	http://www.vif.com/users/apeiron
The current issue is available for viewing with Adobe Acrobat Reader.
Thank you for your attention.
Roy Keys, Publisher
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