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Subject: Re: The Electrostatic Source of Magnetism and Gravity -- From: Marc Verkruysse
Subject: Re: Challenge! -- From: Alan \"Uncle Al\" Schwartz
Subject: Re: neutrino detection -- From: jac@ibms46.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Subject: Re: faster than light travel -- From: CCD Data Acquisition
Subject: LED forward voltage -- From: "PS Robinson"
Subject: Re: Challenge! -- From: Alan \"Uncle Al\" Schwartz
Subject: Re: A case against nuclear energy? -- From: tooie@sover.net (Ron Jeremy)
Subject: Re: "What causes inertia? -- From: Alan \"Uncle Al\" Schwartz
Subject: Re: Q on time - Can you help? -- From: Alan \"Uncle Al\" Schwartz
Subject: Re: simple but effective fireworks bomb -- From: Alan \"Uncle Al\" Schwartz
Subject: Re: microwave FTL? -- From: OX-11
Subject: Re: "What causes inertia? -- From: kfischer@iglou.com (Ken Fischer)
Subject: [NOISE] Homework for God -- From: fc3a501@AMRISC04.math.uni-hamburg.de (Hauke Reddmann)
Subject: Re: ATOM discovery : 3d configuration is filled up before 4s -- From: "Eric Lucas"
Subject: Re: Sophistry 103 (was: I know that!) -- From: taboada@mathe.usc.edu (Mario Taboada)
Subject: Re: ATOM discovery : 3d configuration is filled up before 4s -- From: "Eric Lucas"
Subject: Test only -- From: mjsav1@msn.com (Malcolm Savage)
Subject: Re: [NOISE] Homework for God -- From: jude@smellycat.com (Jude Giampaolo)
Subject: Re: Physics GRE -- From: oasis@mack.rt66.com (Foreign Accents)
Subject: Re: The Electrostatic Source of Magnetism and Gravity -- From: kfischer@iglou.com (Ken Fischer)
Subject: Re: Tampere Replication -- From: Simon Read
Subject: Re: Gravity and Anti-matter -- From: Simon Read
Subject: Re: simple but effective fireworks bomb -- From: Simon Read
Subject: Re: Div Grad and Curl are Dead... -- From: tim@franck.Princeton.EDU.composers (Tim Hollebeek)
Subject: Re: Physics GRE -- From: tim@franck.Princeton.EDU.composers (Tim Hollebeek)
Subject: Re: freedom of privacy & thoughts -- From: caesar@copland.udel.edu (Johnny Chien-Min Yu)

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Subject: Re: The Electrostatic Source of Magnetism and Gravity
From: Marc Verkruysse
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 17:53:46 +0100
See reply of Ken Fischer 6 dec 1996
> - - - - - 
> : Any such model is not useful, however, unless you can also prove
> : it to be the only possible solution, or that quantum gravity must
> : lead to physically indistinguishable results.  Proof of the latter kind
> : appears to be unlikely at present.
> 
>        I think any viable model need to explain a few more things
> besides gravity, simply because all of energy interactions are
> either indexed mathematically to gravity, or gravity has substantial
> effects in the interactions.
> 
> : --
> : (*this is merely an acknowledgement of an idea, not a call for debate
> : on divergent matters!)
> : ===========
> : employers disclaimed as usual.
> 
>          That should be Divergent Matter, as in "The Electro-
> magnetic Divergence of Matter". :-)
> 
> Ken Fischer
Hallo, I do not believe that gravity or gravitomagnetism has something
to do with electrical charges at all.
But if you take the formula's of Lienard-Wichard, formula's that procure
us the magnetic forces acting upon and electrical charge due to linear
movement and acceleration... These are the formula's that take into
account the retarding potentials and influences ... because of the
limited velocity of (electromagnetical and gravitational signals )...
If you change the electrical charge things and formulas to the analog
things for mass and gravity then, by assuming some simplifications to
the shape of the universe you get formulas like:
1) F = const.m.a  (2nd law on Newton ? NO ! :when mass under test m
accelerates with acceleration a than F seems to be the force exerted by
the masses of the universe, following Mach's idea)
2)F' = const.v     ( v is the constant velocity of mass m under test and 
F' seems to be the force... exerted by the same masses of the univers :
strange formula while controversial to the law of inertia, but what if
in this formula the constant is extremely small, so small that we cannot
notice it with earthly experiments ...?)
Remember that magnetic forces are only a second order effect due to
motion and acceleration of electrical charges, in the same way
gravitomagnetism (that has nothing to do with electrical magnetism at
all but could be similar to it) would be a second order effect of moming
masses and their accelerations. When you realize that we need a huge
mass (the earth, the sun ...  ) to prove the gravitational forces
excerted by to masses to each other then the proofs for gravito-
magnetical forces are even more far away. This seems to me the main
reason that gravitomagnetism and its proofs for gravitation is not yet
covered by our schoolbooks !       
Marc VERKRUYSSE, Belgium
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Subject: Re: Challenge!
From: Alan \"Uncle Al\" Schwartz
Date: 7 Dec 1996 17:10:55 GMT
jejanes@uclink4.berkeley.edu wrote:
>Alan "Uncle Al" Schwartz wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I know how channel plates, and tapered reducing or expanding fiber optic
>> blocks are fabricated.  The problems here are that the intervening
>> plastic sheaths would need be much thicker than the fibers (wall
>> thickness about eight times the fiber diameter), and the consolidated rod
>> - interstitial plastic plus sheaths - must be optically homogeneous.  It
>> will be lathed into parts.
>
>Why must it be homogeneous?  If we know why they think it must be
>homogeneous, it could help figure out what to do.
The folks who want the parts are not enthusiastic about advertising said 
parts' application.
>What do you mean by lathed into parts?  The primary meaning of lathed
>applies to lath--narrow and thin wood strips used to cover a surface,
>usually to be later covered with plaster or other material.  This
>doesn't make much sense in this case.
>
>Lathed could also refer to processing on a lathe, although the "folks
>with double digit" IQs who actually use lathes call it turning, not
>lathing (at least in this neck of the woods).  If this is the sense you
>mean, than why are they turning it?  Are they running a dog to make some
>sort of conical section?  Or just using it as a simple cut-off saw?   Or
>does "lathed" have another meaning that doesn't fit either of these,
>which I am so far ignorant of?
We are here concerned with rod primary fabrication.  The next step is 
somebody else's problem.  Scientists do stuff, engineers do things.
>Since you recently posted something about your high daily consulting
>fee, I was wondering how much you will reward any person who can help
>you in this money making venture.
If you don't have an "AHA!" answer, I fail to see how remuneration will 
make you any more clever.  In point of fact we do have a strategy for 
uniformly spacing the fiber ends, and applied in parallel.  Raymond 
Thornton Chandler would have appreciated it.
-- 
Alan "Uncle Al" Schwartz
UncleAl0@ix.netcom.com ("zero" before @)
http://www.ultra.net.au/~wisby/uncleal.htm
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Subject: Re: neutrino detection
From: jac@ibms46.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Date: 5 Dec 1996 23:04:05 GMT
  Duplicate request?  Cross-post to s.p.p added with followups 
  set to sci.physics.particle. 
Anna Forsstrom  writes:
>
>Is it easier to detect electron neutrinos? If so, why?
 Depends on what you mean by easier. 
 The electron *anti*-neutrino was the first to be detected.  It was 
 easier because you can get a huge flux of them from a reactor and 
 because the inverse beta decay reaction anti-nu + p --> n + e+ can 
 be observed without all that messy chemistry used for some schemes. 
 The muon neutrino is more unique, since there are lots of ways to 
 get electrons or positrons while getting a muon out when "nothing" 
 went in will stand out clearly.  This does require a beam of muon 
 neutrinos, however, which means you have to use a powerful accelerator 
 as the source.  These experiments were, therefore, done later. 
>Has anyone got any recent news and developpement at Superkamiokande?
 They are taking data.  No papers (or press releases) yet. 
-- 
 James A. Carr        |  "The half of knowledge is knowing
    http://www.scri.fsu.edu/~jac/       |  where to find knowledge" - Anon. 
 Supercomputer Computations Res. Inst.  |  Motto over the entrance to Dodd 
 Florida State, Tallahassee FL 32306    |  Hall, former library at FSCW. 
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Subject: Re: faster than light travel
From: CCD Data Acquisition
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 12:28:47 -0500
Valucard International wrote:
> David A. Cary (d.cary@ieee.org) wrote:
> : This makes the assumption that a time machine can move something to *any*
> : arbitrary point in the past. There might be ways of getting around this
> : conclusion if there are restrictions on how time machines work.
> 
> I like the word EDGE-EFFECTS.
> That concept and image about sums up my response.
> 
The resrtriction may be that you may be able to travel into the past but
not
interact with past. For example the machine will only transport you a
time T
into the past  if it transports you a distance cT away.
Peter M. Brown
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Subject: LED forward voltage
From: "PS Robinson"
Date: 7 Dec 1996 13:42:28 GMT
Help,
	Can anybody assist, I need an extremely low forward voltage LED...1.0v 
not sure if that is even possible.
	Thanks psr
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Subject: Re: Challenge!
From: Alan \"Uncle Al\" Schwartz
Date: 7 Dec 1996 17:17:58 GMT
jrmeredi@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Russell Meredith) wrote:
[snip]
>Build large and swage to size.  As in metal clad thermocouple wire.
Glass fiber cannot be swaged in this case - it has no ductility near room 
temp, and no transparent plastic will tolerate 700 C.
-- 
Alan "Uncle Al" Schwartz
UncleAl0@ix.netcom.com ("zero" before @)
http://www.ultra.net.au/~wisby/uncleal.htm
 (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children, Democrats, and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"  The Net!
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Subject: Re: A case against nuclear energy?
From: tooie@sover.net (Ron Jeremy)
Date: 7 Dec 1996 17:58:05 GMT
Kevin Sterner (sterner@sel.hep.upenn.edu) wrote:
: In article <32A8B7F5.24A@erols.com>, writes:
: 
: > In my opinion the nuclear establishment has consistently and 
: > deliberately underrepresented the long term health effects of 
: > radionuclide contamination of the environment.  I would put my
: > money of Gofman.
: 
: But even if all you say is true, you haven't told us all we need to
: make a decision, namely, what is the amount of radionuclide contamination
: to the environment as a result of domestic nuclear power?  (And I don't mean
: the enviroment as a whole, but the environment where the public actually
: lives.)  
The latest information I have (1992) is a total population dose commitment 
of 47 person-rems for an at-risk population of about 150 million, this 
would work out to .0003 millirem.  Even if assuming someone stood at the 
edge of the exclusion zone 24 hours a day for 365 days, the most a person 
could conceivably receive is a few millirem.
: How does that compare to the exposure we get from natural
: sources, and to what we get from bomb testing (which exists completely
: independently of whether or not we use nuclear power, and cannot be
: ameliorated by any public policy decision regarding nuclear power)?
Depending on where you live, the average yearly dose is 200 - 500 
millirem.  Some areas of India and Brazil have background readings of  
12,000 - 15,000 millirem/year.  There is an increasing body of work that 
suggests that low levels of radiation actaully have a positve effect on 
health.  Even the maximum conceivable dose from Three Mile Island was 75 
millrem.  The National Cancer Institute has shown no relationship between 
cancer rates and commercial nuclear power plants, see the following: 
(http://www-dceg.ims.nci.gov/reb/nuclear.html)   The front end of the 
fuel cycle (mining, milling) contributes the majority of the dose 
committment to the public.   As far sources of radiation goes, commercial 
nuclear power is near the bottom of the list.
tooie 
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Subject: Re: "What causes inertia?
From: Alan \"Uncle Al\" Schwartz
Date: 7 Dec 1996 18:04:21 GMT
MW  wrote:
>What causes inertia?  I know a lot of people will say "mass", but why
>does mass resist when you push it?  What's blocking it?  I mean, if it's
>space all around it then there's nothing holding it back, nothing to
>attach to.  I was just curious because we know so much about physics, so
>there must be an answer.
>
>M.W.
Nobody knows what causes inertia.  More fundamentally, nobody knows why 
gravitational and inertial masses are rigorously identical (Equivalence 
Principle).  See publications of Haisch, Puthoff, Rueda, Forward, etc. on 
stochastic electrodynamics.
-- 
Alan "Uncle Al" Schwartz
UncleAl0@ix.netcom.com ("zero" before @)
http://www.ultra.net.au/~wisby/uncleal.htm
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Subject: Re: Q on time - Can you help?
From: Alan \"Uncle Al\" Schwartz
Date: 7 Dec 1996 18:07:49 GMT
Derringer@Rapid.co.uk wrote:
>I was looking at an encylopedia yesterday and saw that the length of a year is 
>365.26 days. In a leap year that uses up the 0.25 every 4 years. What happerns to the 
>other 0.01 which over 100 years would add up to a DAY?
>Thank you in antisipation.
Centuries divisible by 400 are leap years.  No problem.  The proper 
number is 365 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes, 46 seconds of mean solar 
time /equinoctial year.
-- 
Alan "Uncle Al" Schwartz
UncleAl0@ix.netcom.com ("zero" before @)
http://www.ultra.net.au/~wisby/uncleal.htm
 (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children, Democrats, and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"  The Net!
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Subject: Re: simple but effective fireworks bomb
From: Alan \"Uncle Al\" Schwartz
Date: 7 Dec 1996 18:10:56 GMT
poppe van pelt  wrote:
>Here's what I made: a simple, step by step manual for a fireworksbomb as
>used by old Dutch anarchists. 
>Easy to make, succes guaranteed. 
>
>Download the installer at my homepage: http://www.xs4all.nl/~bmark
>
>Warning: this bomb tends to be a bit unstable. You won't be the first to
>be walking around with a few fingers missing.
Have you ever looked at your own homepage with a browser?  Given your 
skills with code, I wouldn't trust you with drain cleaner - much less 
infernal devices.
-- 
Alan "Uncle Al" Schwartz
UncleAl0@ix.netcom.com ("zero" before @)
http://www.ultra.net.au/~wisby/uncleal.htm
 (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children, Democrats, and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"  The Net!
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Subject: Re: microwave FTL?
From: OX-11
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 10:22:11 -0800
What, pray tell, kind of experiment did he run? Anyone got more details?
On Fri, 6 Dec 1996, Ian Robert Walker wrote:
> In article  100000@sutf4.reading.ac.uk>, Dr L S Karatzas 
> writes
> >
> >Any ideas on the name of the scientist in Germany who claims he has send
> >microwave signals (Mozart) at speeds faster than light?
> 
> Gunter Nimtz 
> 
> Does anyone know if the experiment has been reproduced else where? it
> looked fairly simple to do. Unless the signal through the barrier is
> very weak.
> -- 
> Ian G8ILZ                   on packet as G8ILZ @ GB7SRC
> I have an IQ of 6 million,  |  How will it end?  | Mostly
> or was it 6?                |  In fire.          | harmless
> 
> 
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Subject: Re: "What causes inertia?
From: kfischer@iglou.com (Ken Fischer)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 18:20:37 GMT
MW (wtwyatt@mailhost.mnsinc.com) wrote:
: What causes inertia?  I know a lot of people will say "mass", but why
: does mass resist when you push it?  What's blocking it?  I mean, if it's
: space all around it then there's nothing holding it back, nothing to
: attach to.  I was just curious because we know so much about physics, so
: there must be an answer.
: M.W.
        Sure there is an answer, but the holdover from the
beliefs of Mach and others prevents rational thought in
the case of inertia.
        The idea that space, or finite and definite increments
of motion can exist will not hold up to scrutiny.
        Inertia is a result of the internal electrodynamics
of particles having mass.    An analogy might be a gear box
with a flywheel inside, that causes a reaction to a force,
in just the proper amount for the total mass of the object.
        Counter-electromotive force is well known in
the electrical trades, but rarely talked about in physics
classrooms.    Anytime there is internal motion involving
electromagnetism, and an external force is applied, that
internal motion must accomodate the external force, and
in doing so, exerts a counter force.
        The ideas of Mach, where all the other mass in the
universe controls the counter force, are unduly complicating,
and are simply an effort to maintain the mystical tradition
of explaining things, too many questions arise from this view.
        An electron having certain properties always reacts
the same when an exxternal force is applied, and all other
particles having mass produce a reaction consistent with
that of all other like particles, and the rest of the mass
in the universe is too far away to have any effect whatsoever.
        There may be something missing from our understanding
of inertia, and that is connected with just how much of a
reaction should result, but as "mass" is measured by the
simple method of accelerating an object a certain distance
in a given time, the reaction must be indexed to both the
unit of distance and time.
        Why would other matter in the universe allow motion
of translation without any resistance, yet produce inertial
forces when the velocity is changed by a force external to
the test object?
        It is only the internal motions of the test object
that can react to external forces with such precision and
constancy.    And these motions are the electrodynamics
of material bodies, although physics seems unable to 
account for the phenomenon of inertia.
Ken Fischer
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Subject: [NOISE] Homework for God
From: fc3a501@AMRISC04.math.uni-hamburg.de (Hauke Reddmann)
Date: 4 Dec 1996 10:29:54 GMT
Name at least four methods to create a universe.
Discuss the pros and cons of those methods.
-- 
Hauke Reddmann <:-EX8 
fc3a501@math.uni-hamburg.de              PRIVATE EMAIL 
fc3a501@rzaixsrv1.rrz.uni-hamburg.de     BACKUP 
reddmann@chemie.uni-hamburg.de           SCIENCE ONLY
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Subject: Re: ATOM discovery : 3d configuration is filled up before 4s
From: "Eric Lucas"
Date: 7 Dec 1996 19:04:46 GMT
No, if *you* look further, you will find that Chris is right.  This is one
of the principles that is taught in every college freshman inorganic
chemistry class.  The aufbau principle has all of the nd orbitals filling
*before* the (n+1)s orbitals.  This has been known for as long as people
have talked about s, p, d and f orbitals.
Sorry.
	Eric Lucas
Herve Le Cornec  wrote in article
<32A8534B.7AD8@afuu.fr>...
> > Hi Herve
> > 
> > I think I read something like this in the book of James E. Huheey
> > 
> > Ciao Chris
> 
> 
> Thank you Chris, but You'd better look at it once again to
> see that there nothing like it.
> Friendly yours
> HCl
> 
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Subject: Re: Sophistry 103 (was: I know that!)
From: taboada@mathe.usc.edu (Mario Taboada)
Date: 7 Dec 1996 11:13:22 -0800
Is there a possibility that boxing matches like those between
Silke and Raghu can be fought by e-mail instead of publicly?
Such matches seem of little interest to the general public...
This said, it it obvious that Silke-Maria has been roundly outclassed
by Raghu, her late confession of "teasing" notwithstanding..
Regards,
-- 
Mario Taboada
* Department of Mathematics * Old Dominion University * Norfolk, Virginia
e-mail: taboada@math.odu.edu
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Subject: Re: ATOM discovery : 3d configuration is filled up before 4s
From: "Eric Lucas"
Date: 7 Dec 1996 19:10:19 GMT
Sorry, fat fingers.  I meant to type "The aufbau principle has all of the
(n+1)s orbitals filling before the nd orbitals.
	Eric
Eric Lucas  wrote in article
<01bbe471$327b4f40$eeac11cf@lucasea-home>...
> No, if *you* look further, you will find that Chris is right.  This is
one
> of the principles that is taught in every college freshman inorganic
> chemistry class.  The aufbau principle has all of the nd orbitals filling
> *before* the (n+1)s orbitals.  This has been known for as long as people
> have talked about s, p, d and f orbitals.
> 
> Sorry.
> 
> 	Eric Lucas
> 
> Herve Le Cornec  wrote in article
> <32A8534B.7AD8@afuu.fr>...
> > > Hi Herve
> > > 
> > > I think I read something like this in the book of James E. Huheey
> > > 
> > > Ciao Chris
> > 
> > 
> > Thank you Chris, but You'd better look at it once again to
> > see that there nothing like it.
> > Friendly yours
> > HCl
> > 
> 
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Subject: Test only
From: mjsav1@msn.com (Malcolm Savage)
Date: 7 Dec 96 17:59:52 -0800
Test test test !!!
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Subject: Re: [NOISE] Homework for God
From: jude@smellycat.com (Jude Giampaolo)
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 14:33:16 -0500
In article <583jr2$it9@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>,
fc3a501@AMRISC04.math.uni-hamburg.de (Hauke Reddmann) wrote:
> Name at least four methods to create a universe.
> Discuss the pros and cons of those methods.
Name at least four methods to annoy a newsgroup.
Implement in detail.
-- 
Jude Charles Giampaolo        'I was lined up for glory, but the
jcg161@psu.edu                    tickets sold out in advance'
jude@smellycat.com      http://prozac.cwru.edu/jude/JudeHome.html
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Subject: Re: Physics GRE
From: oasis@mack.rt66.com (Foreign Accents)
Date: 7 Dec 1996 11:59:59 -0700
In article <58asvu$pdb@news.asu.edu>,   wrote:
>	Advice / comments.  What's a "good" score?  
>	(i have to take it next saturday)
>
>	-John
Have you reviewed Halliday & Resnick type of problems?  If so, do.  I 
think that a "good" score is anything around 700 or so.  (Out of a 
possible 1000).  If you can break 800, you'll probably get in most 
anywhere, as long as other credentials are good...Actually, if you break 
800, it would probably get in regardless...
I have friends who scored in the high 600's and got in to the majority of 
the places they applied.  
Others with scores near 800, had a very high acceptance rate, they were 
also in the top of their class - which helps a lot.
I, too, have to take the physics GRE soon, although I missed the 
deadline, so I have to wait until April I think...
Good Luck!
Tim
 (Oh, I've heard that on some of the problems0 you can get the correct 
answer by just checking the units, one choice of which was the only one 
with the correct units.  I'm not sure how true this is as I have not yet 
taken the exam but always check this first, although your undergraduate 
education most certainly got you used to this anyway.)
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Subject: Re: The Electrostatic Source of Magnetism and Gravity
From: kfischer@iglou.com (Ken Fischer)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 19:13:22 GMT
Marc Verkruysse (mverkruysse@club.innet.be) wrote:
: See reply of Ken Fischer 6 dec 1996
: > - - - - - 
: > : Any such model is not useful, however, unless you can also prove
: > : it to be the only possible solution, or that quantum gravity must
: > : lead to physically indistinguishable results.  Proof of the latter kind
: > : appears to be unlikely at present.
: > 
: >        I think any viable model need to explain a few more things
: > besides gravity, simply because all of energy interactions are
: > either indexed mathematically to gravity, or gravity has substantial
: > effects in the interactions.
: > 
: > : --
: > : (*this is merely an acknowledgement of an idea, not a call for debate
: > : on divergent matters!)
: > : ===========
: > : employers disclaimed as usual.
: > 
: >          That should be Divergent Matter, as in "The Electro-
: > magnetic Divergence of Matter". :-)
: > Ken Fischer
: Hallo, I do not believe that gravity or gravitomagnetism has something
: to do with electrical charges at all.
      Hello:     
             I'm afraid I do not know what gravitomagnetism is.
I do not believe that gravity has anything to do with the long
range electromagnetic spectrum, and I do not think that nature
would have two long range interacting systems, one for transfer
of energy, and the gravity one for "attraction" between material
bodies, the fact that even massless particles are affected by
gravity shows that there is no attraction and no gravitational
mass, gravity is just something the object causing the apparent
attraction is doing.
: But if you take the formula's of Lienard-Wichard, formula's that procure
: us the magnetic forces acting upon and electrical charge due to linear
: movement and acceleration... These are the formula's that take into
: account the retarding potentials and influences ... because of the
: limited velocity of (electromagnetical and gravitational signals )...
       If there is one thing I can be sure of, it is that there
are  no  gravitational signals.
: If you change the electrical charge things and formulas to the analog
: things for mass and gravity then, by assuming some simplifications to
: the shape of the universe you get formulas like:
: 1) F = const.m.a  (2nd law on Newton ? NO ! :when mass under test m
: accelerates with acceleration a than F seems to be the force exerted by
: the masses of the universe, following Mach's idea)
        I guess you are not talking about gravity here, merely
accelerating a test object with an external force.
        But F = ma does not hold true in all cases, Mach was
wrong about inertia.
: 2)F' = const.v     ( v is the constant velocity of mass m under test and 
: F' seems to be the force... exerted by the same masses of the univers :
: strange formula while controversial to the law of inertia, but what if
: in this formula the constant is extremely small, so small that we cannot
: notice it with earthly experiments ...?)
         I don't know of any forces acting on an object having
a constant velocity, or rather, an object in inertial motion,
ie. not accelerated.    In fact the term "constant velocity"
infers a measured velocity relative to something, and that
something needs to be specified.
: Remember that magnetic forces are only a second order effect due to
: motion and acceleration of electrical charges, in the same way
: gravitomagnetism (that has nothing to do with electrical magnetism at
: all but could be similar to it) would be a second order effect of moming
: masses and their accelerations. 
         If by gravitomagnetism, you mean "attraction of gravity",
then that is a misconception enjoined in by all (except me, I
suppose), there just isn't any "attractive" forces at long
range.
: When you realize that we need a huge
: mass (the earth, the sun ...  ) to prove the gravitational forces
: excerted by to masses to each other then the proofs for gravito-
: magnetical forces are even more far away. 
         Not really, small instruments that can sit on a table
can measure the apparent gravitational "force", it is a
Cavendish torsion balance.
: This seems to me the main
: reason that gravitomagnetism and its proofs for gravitation is not yet
: covered by our schoolbooks !       
: Marc VERKRUYSSE, Belgium
       I have a schoolbook called "Gravitation", and it pretty
much says that falling objects are not accelerated by gravity,
the freefalling objects are in inertial motion, which means
"not accelerated".  [MTW]
       This book is 1200+ pages and is meant for college
seniors and graduate students, and I have another schoolbook
called "Relativity Theory, concepts and basic principles",
by Amos Harpaz, who thinks that General relativity should
be taught much earlier so that students do not become so
infatuated with Newton's mutual attraction gravitation.
       It is inconceivable to me that college graduates
can believe in long range attractive forces that work by
some mystical unkmown mechanism.
       I can only think that both gravity and inertia
are intrinsic properties of matter, and that neither
gravity, nor inertia, are produced by distant matter.
Ken Fischer
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Subject: Re: Tampere Replication
From: Simon Read
Date: 7 Dec 96 19:36:36 GMT
mert0236@sable.ox.ac.uk (Thomas Womack) wrote:
>
>The Eternal Union of Soviet Republics lasted seven times longer than
>the Thousand Year Reich
I've heard of getting the "seven year reich" after 7 years of marriage;
perhaps Hitler was thinking of this?
Simon
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Subject: Re: Gravity and Anti-matter
From: Simon Read
Date: 7 Dec 96 19:51:31 GMT
>Anthony Potts (potts@cms5.cern.ch) wrote:
>
>: We already know that the inertial mass of antimatter is the same as that
>: of matter, but there is still room for debate on whether its gravitational
>: mass is the same.
I've seen a photograph of a cloud chamber. It purports to be two
tracks left when a strong gamma ray photon passes close to a nucleus,
and the photon becomes an electron-positron pair.
One goes down the photograph and curves to the right (there's an external
applied magnetic field); the other goes down and left. They both form
their own decaying spiral. I guess this means that they hit things
on the way and slow down, so curve more tightly.
Anyway, it appears that they
accelerate in opposite directions, which seems to imply that the
equal and opposite forces (due to being a charged particle moving in
a magnetic field) cause equal and opposite accelerations, so the
masses involved must be the same magnitude and of the same sign.
This implies that an electron and positron have the same magnitude
and sign of mass.
The "mass" here must be the inertial mass. I don't suppose this
tells us anything about the gravitational masses, since the
electromagnetic forces in this case would have been so much larger,
so any forces generated by gravity would have been swamped.
No doubt the positron eventually hit some poor unsuspecting electron and
WHAMMO!!! Another gamma ray photon flitted out into the aether.
I wonder if the electron and positron attracted each other by
electrostatic forces? I would have thought so, but maybe the act of
creating them puts them far enough apart that the electromagnetic
forces are stronger. I don't know this one.
Simon
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Subject: Re: simple but effective fireworks bomb
From: Simon Read
Date: 7 Dec 96 19:52:59 GMT
poppe van pelt  wrote:
>Here's what I made: a simple, step by step manual for a fireworksbomb as
>used by old Dutch anarchists. 
Try rec.pyrotechnics.  That newsgroup likes this sort of thing.
Simon
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Subject: Re: Div Grad and Curl are Dead...
From: tim@franck.Princeton.EDU.composers (Tim Hollebeek)
Date: 7 Dec 1996 18:58:31 GMT
In article <58aeiq$j90@panix2.panix.com>, erg@panix.com writes:
> They will be missed.  When is the wake?
> 
> I have long had the feeling that your various classical theorems of
> differential geometry,  all having the basic form of the fundamental
> theorem of calculus  "Stuff evaluated over interior of region equals
> other stuff evaluated over the boundary"  must be special cases of some
> general Fundamental Theorem of Calculus,  which could probably be
> written in some suitably terse form,  like   "Q = T".
> 
> Unfortunately my mathematical education stopped before I found out
> what this meta-theorem would be.
You're right, of course; they are all special cases of "the integral
of the boundary of something is the intergral of the derivative of
the something over the interior" for suitable definitions of all
the things there ("derivative", in particular, is generalized).
One can define things so that the boundary of a set looks like a derivative,
(this actually makes a bit of sense; remember for example that the derivative
of the volume is the surface area.  It takes a lot of work to make this
simple concept precise though), so then one gets:
  /           /
  |          |
  |    F  =  |  dF
  |          |
  / dB      /
Simple enough? :-)
The divergence theorem, Green's theorem, Stokes' theorem, etc are all
special cases.
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Subject: Re: Physics GRE
From: tim@franck.Princeton.EDU.composers (Tim Hollebeek)
Date: 7 Dec 1996 19:09:22 GMT
In article <58asvu$pdb@news.asu.edu>, jjtom4@imap2.asu.edu writes:
> 	Advice / comments.  What's a "good" score?  
A "good score" is one you would feel comfortable showing to your friends
and family, etc.  Historically, good scores are given to people who
perform well on the test.
However, if you have trouble understanding simple concepts like what a
"good score" is, you might have trouble on the Physics GRE.
[sorry, I felt compelled to read the question literally :-)]
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Subject: Re: freedom of privacy & thoughts
From: caesar@copland.udel.edu (Johnny Chien-Min Yu)
Date: 7 Dec 1996 15:23:54 -0500
Why is mind control also lives control?
(Part Four)
"How the Mind Machine Operators Use The invisible Weapon to 
Manipulate People's Health & Lives"
Recently, some readers ask me that how could the mind machine 
operators can manipulate people's health and lives?
So, I would like to further clarify it. 
Why the career officers ( or opertors) built the invisible wave weapon 
in conjuction with the mind (machine) control surveilliance system?
 The original goal is to remotely control the activiation of human 
organism by electronic means.   
 According to the information, the chronal gun bullets ( See detail 
information below) can penetrate and will be disappear in human body 
because it is created by the tiny particles (Chronos- similar as tiny 
bullets which is created with chronos).  So it can be used to 
remote control the activation mechnism of human organism.  That's
the most highly protected secret in this mind control surveillance system. 
 So the machine operators in this system usualy use the chronal gun 
bullets to remotely control the mechanism which control the operation 
of human's bological function (like erection, urination, etc).
Base on the remote control human's bological function, they can
use the chronal gun bullets, or microwaves weapon to weak human
health, shorten  people's lives or even kill people as if natural
death.   
They use the entire country's surveillance system in conjuction with 
the invisible wave weapon (so called Nonlethal weapon) to build the
invisible martial law in the society.
Not only they can spy on people at home (or offices) in this system but
also can manipulate people's health and lives with the invisible wave
weapon.  That's because the operators want to use these invisible wave
weapon to control peole's live in order to secretly eliminate their
opponents and those people whom the operator dislike.
The operators can also openly use these invisible wave weapon to torture
the awared people (who are aware of this lives control system) to force 
these victims to follow their will or even kill them.
This mechanisms can also be referred to as the activation of human 
organism program.  It is the same idea as discussed in Dr. Becker's 
1985 book --"The body Electric".
Let's review the comment of what Dr. Robert Becker offered at 
that time. 
" The CIA funded research on electromagnetic mind control at least 
as early as 1960, when the notorious"MKULTRA" program, mostly
concerned with hypnosis and .....FOR ADAPTING BIOELECTRIC SENSING
METHODS TO  SURVEILLANCE  AND INTERROGATION, AS WELL AS FOR FINDING
TECHMNIQUE OF ACTIVATION OF HUMAN ORGANISM BY REMOTE ELETRONIC MEANS". 
The machine operators indeed always use the chronal gun, and the 
electronic waves (as the tool) to remotely control the activation 
of human oganism and check the subject's paysical helath condition.    
According to this, they can build a special lives control 
system to every person.   It means that the machine operators can 
use the very low intensity microwave waves or trigger the chronal gun
(nonlethal weapon) to slowly harm people (without victims' knowledge) to 
manipulate people's lives.
  Therefore, the machine operators can also change (manipulate) people's
physical health condition without the unsupecting victim's knowledge.
Why?
That's because this chronal gun (bullets) has the penetrated ability, 
so it can be used to damage the tissues of human organs in order to
induce the different organ disease such as liver desise, heart disease.
gall bladder disease, etc.
 Thus, it has been used to control people's health and lives to insure
that the operators can eliminate anyone in the society anytime.
This kind of lives (and health) control system will be especially used on 
these unsuspecting people whom the operators dislike or anyone who
opposite the interests of mind control.
Therefore, the mind machine operators can finally eliminlate their 
opponents or enemies with this state of art technology (invisible wave
weapon and the mind control surveillance system).
Since the invisible wave weapon has been used in conjuction with the mind 
control surveilliance system, the machine operarors have taken the act of
causing artificial illness or ailments in unsuspecting people into an
art form.
If readers don't believe that, I could explain it to you below.
 The machine operators can use the invisible wave weapon (such as 
chronal gun, chronal beam, microwaves weapon, infrasound,etc.) to injure 
unawared people.   However, this kind crimes would depend on operators' 
decision about what type of injury they want to inflict on the subjects.
Such kind of injury, the operators will mostly use the chronal gun
bullets because it has penatrated ability, therefore, the bullets of
chronal gun can quickly penatrate in human body WITHOUT PAIN but victims
can feel it as being stun by the bee or the mosquito bite.
These operators mostly manipulate people's lives at night while people are
falling sleep deeply to avoid the victims are aware of being injured. 
These kinds of injuries are based on the using of mind machine (brain)
surveilliance system.  That's because the operators can know how is the
injurey to a victim according to this mind control (brain) surveilliasnce
system.  To avoid the security leak, operators will stop their crimes
immidiately while the brain surveillance shows that the target is awaken
by the uncomfortable feeling of injury. 
And that's why most of people will not belive that operators can
manipulate their lives with invisible wave weapon at private home of
offices.
Such kind of crimes will be commited in a few weeks to few months to the 
unawared victims by the machine operators.  So that any change of the 
health condition to a victim will occur slowly and these kinds of injuries 
will be felt only as mosquito bites.  The unsuspecting victims will never 
believe that they are being harmed because they cannot see anyone 
using the invisible wave weapon on them.  So these victims will only 
consider that their ailments might be caused by their unhealthy eating 
habits after the sypmtoms of these problems appear.
The operators can use the chronal gun to strike the unknowing person's 
urethra to damage his control of urination or embrass him by making him 
to urinate in public. 
They can even use the infrasound to strike people's gums of the 
mouth in order to loosen the victim's teeth.
The operators also can use the chronal gun to attack the anus of victim to 
induce him to defecate (This will be used to check his physical condition or 
embarrass the person in public). 
On the other hand, the operators will use the high setting on the chronal 
gun to hrut the awared victims' livers, hearts, or brains in order to kill 
them to avoid the mind machine security leak.  
If you don't believe that people can be attacked by these invisible wave 
weapon at home, then I would remind you few cases below.
These cases have been reported in "Microwave Harassment & Mind Control 
Experimentation" by Julianne McKinny december 1992.
(attachment)
==================================================
   One dividual (driven to extremes of stress by ongoing electronic 
harassment focusing on her children) killed one child in an effort to 
protect her from further pain.
   Another individual, during a telephone conversation, was told by an 
employee of a local power company that , if she value the lives of her 
children, she would  drop the her opposition to the company's 
installation of high power lines.  Since receiving that threat, the 
invidual 11-wear-old daughter has been reduced to extrrement of illness 
which cannot be diagnosed.    It's now also apparent to this invidual 
that her three-year-old son is on the receiving end of externally 
induced auditory input. 
=================================================================
The above cases prove that the mind control operators'
attitude have been worse than the felon.  When they pursuit their 
organization's  or their own interests, the operators never concern the 
law or Constitution.
If anyone think that the above cases are very special events and it would 
not happen to others.  Then I would point out the important view point to
readers.
 These two cases' families are normal civilians and they live in their own 
home.  Under such kind situation, these families members cannot avoid to be 
spyed.  So, even the children of the above victims families were in 
the security of their own home or staying at hospitals, these children still 
cannot avoid of being attacked and hurt by the remotely controlled 
invisible wave weapons if the mind machine operators so desire.
(In above case, they should use the acoustic bullets to torture the victims 
because it can induce blunyt-object trauma " like being hit by a baseball-- 
See the page 43 on September/October of "THE BULLETIN OF THE ATOMIC 
SCIENTISTS)
  It means the invisible wave weapon has been used in conjuction with 
the surveilliance system, also both system can observe or shoot any family's 
member so accuracy.  From these cases, we know that anyone of us can be 
also hurt or examined in our own home or public building.
The above information (two cases) also proves that no place is safe to 
people when people live under the mind control surveillance system.
Now, I would remind readers the information of surveillance system below.
This inforrmation has showed us the original program of entire nation 
surveillance system is to "wire" the house, cars, boats, (should also
"wire" the airplane with latest technology now) etc. and via a TV network 
which Has linked every state, city, home. 
As early as 1970, Zbigniew Brzezinski, later National Security Advisor
to President Jimmy Carter, predicated a "more  controlled and directed 
society" would gradually appear, linked the technology.  This society
would be dominated by an elite group which impresses voters by allegedly
superior scientific know-how.
    Unhindered by the restraints of traditional liberal values, this elite
would not hesitate to achieve its political ends by using the latest
modern techniques for inflencing public behavior and keeping society under
close surveillance and control.  Technical and scientific momentum would
then feed on the situation it exploits.  Brzezinski predicted (see page
200 on _Angels Don't Play This HAARP_).
    In August 1971, there is a entire nation surveillance security 
system program proposal submitted to the President Nixon.  It proposed to 
"wire" every "house", "car", and "boat" in America.  The plan included a 
blueprint for a government- operated propaganda system via a TV network 
that would have linked every state, city, and home
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