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Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution -- From: pshe@netcom.com (Pat Shelton)
Subject: Re: Particle Acclerators and Relativistic Mass Increase -- From: glhansen@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory Loren Hansen)
Subject: Re: Acceleration? -- From: kfischer@iglou.com (Ken Fischer)
Subject: Gyroscope -- From: Robert Wagner
Subject: Re: freedom of privacy & thoughts -- From: caesar@copland.udel.edu (Johnny Chien-Min Yu)
Subject: Re: freedom of privacy & thoughts -- From: caesar@copland.udel.edu (Johnny Chien-Min Yu)
Subject: Re: Time and its existance -- From: lconlin@emerald.tufts.edu (Luke Conlin)
Subject: Easy AM radio question -- From: bdzeiler@primenet.com (Brian Zeiler)
Subject: Re: At what temp does water boil in a vacume?????????????????????? -- From: oncology
Subject: Re: Playing with opponents who don't want to win. -- From: Scintor@isat.com (Mark McDonald)
Subject: Re: The absurd debate -- From: owl@rci.rutgers.edu (Michael Huemer)
Subject: Re: matter at relatavistic speeds. -- From: dc@cage.rug.ac.be (Denis Constales)
Subject: Re: Acceleration? -- From: B Jones
Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT: Science Jokes Collection -- From: verhagen@fys.ruu.nl (Joachim Verhagen)
Subject: Could Space Be A Substance -- From: B Jones
Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution -- From: mls@panix.com (Michael L. Siemon)
Subject: Re: Physics GRE -- From: jac@ibms46.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Subject: Polarized light -- From: "Dick Lai"
Subject: Re: C IS ATTAINABLE! -- From: odessey2@ix.netcom.com(Allen Meisner)
Subject: Re: Easy AM radio question -- From: crs
Subject: Re: Please Solve an Argument for me... -- From: coolhand@Glue.umd.edu (Kevin Anthony Scaldeferri)
Subject: Re: Vietmath War: coconuts, QM, and Newton -- From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium)

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Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution
From: pshe@netcom.com (Pat Shelton)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 05:22:44 GMT
>> 
>> they are all sciences...and all know that the earth and the universe
>> is billions of years old, which is what the creationists doubt. sounds
>> pretty consistent to me.
>
>What I don't understand, is how creationists can dispute it at all. 
>What do we need to do .. dangle a few austolopithecus bones in plain
>view of all?  The fact stands that man was alive long before the
>Christian God was a glimmer in the eye of humanity.  I really don't
>understand the Creationist view at all.  It makes no sense.
Neither creationism or evolution have anything to do with scientific
theory.  However, the creationist can easily explain your bone.
There was a famous treatise written in the Middle Ages that explained
this quite easily.  You ought to at least catch up with the Middle
Ages before you debate this stuff.
The subject of the treatise was whether Adam had a navel.  However, I
will make it even simpler.  When God created trees (run with it) did 
they have rings?  If they didn't they weren't real trees, if they did
it implied a prior existence that did not happen.  Human ancestor bones
could have been created in the ground as logical predecessors to the
human race.  In fact, you could have been created 5 minutes ago complete
with family, memories and everything else.
Now there is nothing scientific about this, or unscientific.  Simply
stated it is irrefutable, but that doesn't mean it is true, just
like evolution.
Regards.
.
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Subject: Re: Particle Acclerators and Relativistic Mass Increase
From: glhansen@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory Loren Hansen)
Date: 15 Dec 1996 03:06:39 GMT
In article <58vcbe$pf6@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>,
Allen Meisner  wrote:
>    I think that you are very much mistaken. You can not use
>electrostatic forces to accelerate charged partricles. It is absolutely
>impossible and you should be ashamed of yourself for even suggesting
>it. To build up a sufficient electrostatic charge requires even more
>time than to create magnetic flux. How in the world could you use
>charged plates to accelerate a particle? The electrostatic charge on
>the plates must be time varied also to produce acceleration.
>Electrostatic potentials also propagate at c. It also takes a much
>greater time to build up sufficient charge than to generate magnetic
>flux. And this doesn't even address the problem of how to orient the
>plates so that they don't get in the way of the charged partricles. Not
>onlt this, but you are also mistaken about the way real particle
>accelerators work. I know of none that use electrostatics.
Television sets, ion engines in satellites, Van de Graff generators, X-ray
tubes.
-- 
"Knock off all that evil!"
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Subject: Re: Acceleration?
From: kfischer@iglou.com (Ken Fischer)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 07:06:35 GMT
Peter Diehr (pdiehr@mail.ic.net) wrote:
: Ken Fischer wrote:
: > J. Matthew Nyman (timeflux@concentric.net) wrote:
: > : I have a quick question.
: > 
: > : Let's say I fall over a bannister and down to the first floor of a
: > : house.  During my fall, technically, I am in free fall, right?
: > 
: >         Certainly, except for air resistance.
: > 
: > : In other words, I don't approach the ground - the ground
: > : approaches me due to the motion of the Earth.
: > 
: >         Have you been reading about the Divergent Matter GUT. :-)
: > Classical physicists would say you are ready for the guys
: > in the white jackets, while Relativists would say you have
: > discovered Einstein's Principle of Equivalence, but maybe
: > it would be better not to carry it too far, after all, a
: > guy in New Zealand says the same thing, and the Earth
: > can't be moving both ways at once.
: >         But I think you have it right.
: Re: New Zealand and New England
: The falling person follows a geodesic.  
        Yes, but the Synge treatment of the worldline of the
falling person seems to be more like in Divergent Matter,
the worldline points upward, without acceleration (constant
velocity neglecting air friction), while the worldline of a
certain point on the floor accelerates to the point where
the floor intersects part of the falling person's anatomy.
        At first glance, I think I have to say the geodesic
for the falling person is opposite to his worldline!
: The geodesic followed depends
: upon the quantity and location of matter and energy in that region of
: space.  For the person falling over a bannister, the major influence
: is the earth ... the geodesics are differnet for each falling person,
: but each one still tends to point towards the center of the earth!
        The difference seems to be that Synge views General
Relativity from inside the Principle of Equivalence, he sees
the events of gravitation always on the side of the PoE of
acceleration, it appears to me he never sees gravitation.
        The Earth seems to influence the person before he
falls, and when he hits the floor, but not while he is
falling!
        If all test bodies fall with the same acceleration,
it seems nature could perform that trick easier by having
the Earth do something, and just let the falling person
follow his worldline, which is inertial motion with a
vector pointing upward.
        Then nature can have the surface of the Earth
do the accelerating, that is easier than trying to make
each test body fall with the same acceleration.
: The problem is that the geodesics being followed intersect the 
: surface of the earth (or rather, the surface of the floor!).  I think
: it must be a conspiracy of some sort. ;-)
: Best Regards, Peter
        Yes, the geodesics seem to point toward the center
of mass of the Earth, but the worldline points the other
way, with a little curve due to the second order effect
of the rotation of the Earth.
        Too bad we can't have a special measuring stick
with the units of length fixed at the instant the person
starts falling (T1),  and use that to measure the diameter
of the Earth at the instant the person hits the floor.
        Would the diameter of the Earth be the same in
both cases, before, and after.   If not, then maybe we
don't need gravitons after all. :-)
        Could we use this comparison of geodesic versus
worldline to do experiments like the 22.5 meter tower
of Pound and Rebka?
        Then the emitter and absorber could have an
upward worldline, and the Earth's surface could accelerate
upward, and emissions from the bottom of the tower should
be redshifted when they get to the top of the tower due
to the change in velocity of the absorber from the surface
of the Earth accelerating upward during the time the light
takes to go the 22.5 meters.
        I feel like my world is upside down. :-)
Ken Fischer
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Subject: Gyroscope
From: Robert Wagner
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 06:56:54 +0100
I am looking for a model gyroscope. Who knows where I can get such a 
model? Please, if you have any information about that, could you drop me 
a mail?
Thanks in advance, Robert
--
Robert Marcus Wagner
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Student Of Physics At Technical University Of Munich
E-Mail: "robert.wagner@physik.tu-muenchen.de", "tintin@t-online.de"
URL   : "http://home.pages.de/~wagner"
Phone : +49-172-7628726, +49-8133-99342
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"Wir brauchen die Erde als Scheibe, da Sichtverbindung bestehen muss."
nico@tvbbs.fido.thur.de (Nico Rogowski) zu Richtfunkstrecken
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Subject: Re: freedom of privacy & thoughts
From: caesar@copland.udel.edu (Johnny Chien-Min Yu)
Date: 18 Dec 1996 01:28:19 -0500
Why Is Mind Control Also the Lives Control?
(Part Nine)
"Why Has The mind control syatem Been Used As the Invisible 
Martial Law?"
What is the Martial Law?
The Law imposed upon an area by military forces when civil authority 
has broken down.
If people live in a country which has declared martial law, 
they may see soldiers carrying guns at important intersections, or
machine-guns and bunkers located on important locations.   What will you 
think about this?  Would you think that these people are living in a freed 
society or a dangerous one although most people not get hurt?
The answer should be that these people are in great danger, and things 
and society can be changed at any time.
What is the invisible martial Law?
I would explain it with few points below:
1. The invisible Martial law are carrying out in our society without
opened declaration by government, therefoe, the general public are not
aware of it.
2.In the invisible martial law society, the operators are using the
state of art technology to keep people under close suveillance and
control.
3. In the invisible martial law society, the operators will use
 the state of art technology in censorship, phonetape people without
leaving the evidence.
4. In the martial law society, the operators control whole people's
  lives with the invisible wave weapon.
It means the opertors can manipulate or kill people's lives with the
invisible wave weapon.  By using the invisible wave weapon in killing or
manipulating lives, not only it will not leave the external evidence, but
also can avoid the knowledge of most victims.
What is current invisible martial law?
The mind control surveillance system has been used as the invisible 
martial law, since the invisible wave (socalled "nonlethal") weapons
are used in the surveillance system.
Now, I would like to show you some information first.  The enclosed 
information was part of the article--"New World Order & Psychotronic ELF 
Tyranny"  by C. B. Baker
====================================================
8\22\94 NEWSWEEK MAGAZINE reported on a secret Arlington, Virginia
meeting between experts from the FBI's  Counter-Terrorism Center and Dr.
Smirnov, whose work was described in the publication: "...Using
electroencephalographs, Smirnov measures brain waves, then uses computers
to CREATE A MAP OF THE SUBCONSCIOUS AND VARIOUS HUMAN IMPULSES, such as
anger or the sex drive. Then through taped SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES, he claims
to physically alter the landscape with the power of suggestion."
In March, 1993, the National Institute of Justice [NIJ]--(an office of
Janet Reno's Justice Department), issued a report titled: "NIJ Initiative
On Less-Than-Lethal Weapons." The Department is now encouraging local
and state police organizations to utilize Soviet-KGB psychotronic,
electromagnetic and mind control weapons against their local citizenry.
Targets for these KGB weapons include "domestic disturbances" meaning
that mind-control devices are even to be utilized against family
arguments.
The reports stated: "Short-term research will be completed TO ADOPT
MILITARY TECHNOLOGIES TO USE BY DOMESTIC LAW ENFORCEMENT...including
LASER, MICROWAVE, AND ELECTROMAGNETIC" WEAPONS.
=============================================
According to the above report, the local to state even the federal law 
enforcement have used these invisible wave mind control weapons to
against our citizens.  
Since the US Department of Justice encourages the local law enforcement 
to use the Russian Mind Machine & Radiation Weapons (Nonlethal Weapons) 
on US civilians, it is similiar to have secretly declared the invisible
martial law to the entire US society.
If you disagree with the above statement, I would like to explain it to 
you as below.
The original entire nation surveillance and mind control system
has been designed since 1970.
 As early as 1970, Zbigniew Brzezinski, later National Security Advisor
to President Jimmy Carter, predicated a "more  controlled and directed 
society" would gradually appear, linked the technology.  This society
would be dominated by an elite group which impresses voters by allegedly
superior scientific know-how.
Unhindered by the restraints of traditional liberal values, this elite
would not hesitate to achieve its political ends by using the latest
modern techniques for inflencing public behavior and keeping society under
close surveillance and control (this words is a hints that mind control 
technology has made the remarable progress). Technical and scientific
momentum would then feed on the situation it exploits.  Brzezinski
predicted (see page 200 on _Angels Don't Play This HAARP_).
 In August 1971, there is a entire nation surveillance security 
system program proposal submitted to the President Nixon.  It 
proposed to "wire" every "house", "car", and "boat" in America.  The
plan included a blueprint for a government- operated propaganda system
via a TV network that would have linked every state, city, and home.
  (See page 181 on the"Uncloaking the CIA")
Although this program wasn't accepted At that time.  It did prove that
 they did have this plan and should have the technology to accomplish it for 
a long time.   How could they propose to "wire" every house, car and boat 
in American?  It must use the radio wave or low radiation wave to network 
these objects (house, car, boat, etc.), otherwise, they cannot achieve 
this goal.  This program has proven that these security officers have the 
technology to use the low radiation wave or radio wave to "wire" the 
house, car, boat, etc. (via a TV network that would have linked every 
city, state, home) since 1971.
 After the crash of TWA flight 800 near Long Island, the news media
reported on the security system installed in airports. On World News
Tonight with Peter Jenning broadcast on 7/22/96, it was reported that some
airport security officers now utilize low electromagnetic radiation device
to check people for weapons.  The shape of the passenger's body would be
shown on the computer terminal screen.  If there's a weapon hidden on the
passenger, the weapon would also be shown on the screen.  It can be
distinguish from parts of human body because of its shape and it would be
in darker color on the screen).
The device shown on World News Tonight shows that low level radiation can 
be used to surveillant people because it can be used to display people's 
bodies on computer terminal.  Furthermore, I believe that such kind of 
devices should have been used with state of art technologies.  This would 
enable the user to see the target on the computer screen very clearly 
(much like photograph created by the light reflected off people's skins 
onto the film).  The low level radiation security device used in airport 
should be far behind the technologies used by the mind control system. 
Otherwise such kinds of system won't let our general public to know.
Another article has proven that a micro-chips also use 
the low radio wave to track animal and people.  It does prove that 
the low radiation wave is indeed the technology of current
surveillance system. 
So, if our residential area is irradiated with such kind of low level 
radiation, then the operators in the central mind machine station can 
"remote watch" anyone (no matter if the person was at home or in public 
building) on the computer terminals in the central machine station.
Do you know our residential area have been irradiate with the low 
radiation wave for many years?
Why?
The GWEN (Ground-Wave Emergency Network) system was built in 1980 (It is at
the same year while the US Senate passed the Intelligence Oversight Act of 
1980)) and can emit the VLF or low radiation wave which could be used in the 
surveillance system (it could be used to emit the same type of radiation 
emit by those security devices used in airport).
This system not only emitted the VLF which can effect the behavior of human 
brain but also can carry LFS (low frequency sound wave or infrasound).
So, the GWEN system has many different functions although the government 
states that it is mainly used as a communication system for time of war.
According to information, the Ground Wave Emergency Network (GWEN) was 
begun in the 1980's by the U.S. Government. The system was allegedly 
designed for the purpose of maintaining defense communications in case of 
a nuclear war. (Please see detail on page 301 on CROSS CURRENTS by Dr.  
Robert Becker)
So its function should be the communication system in nuclear war.
A communication system in nuclear war should not be easily 
attacked or destroied in nuclear war.  Otherwise, it is useless.
However, according to Dr. Robert Beker's opinion, the entire network is 
highly danger to destruction from an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) 
generated by a high-altitude nuclear explosion (see detail on 
attachment below).
(attachment)
=======================================
One aspect of nuclear war that is notwell publicized is the EMP 
(Electromagnetic Pulse) phenomenon.  An electromagnetic pulse is very 
short, intense brust of electromagnetic energy that is produced by the 
explosion of a nuclear weapon in space.  If an EMP were produced by a 
nuclear explosion 100 miles above KANSAS City, its energy would be so 
intense that it would shut off all electric-power system, destroy all 
computer ..............
and shut down all radio communications--across the entire United States.  
(See detail on page 302 on "Cross Current" by Robert Becker)
================================================
Therefore, it is illogical to say that the GWEN system's function 
is the connunication system in nuclear war because this GWEN system even 
cannot avoid to be destoried in nuclear war (because it will be rendered 
useless in by the electromagnetic pulse).
Also if this system is only used for communication of nuclear war, then they 
don't need to be operating it right now because we are not at war currently.
Yet the following information point out that GWEN is currently being used.
(attachment)
========================================
After the 9\93 YOUTH ACTION NEWS report, "Weather war Deluge Over
America" exposed the role of the GWEN system in electromagnetic
weather-engineering, the Government suddenly announced that it was
temporarily curtailing construction for a one year moratorium that just
ended. The present 58 tower GWEN system is still functioning and cannot
be turned off or dismantled without specific legislation from Congress.
====================================================
The above report has proven that this system has been turned on and 
cannot be turned off or dismantled without special legislation from
Congress.
The above facts have showed us that this system is not really used for 
the communication of nuclear war.
According to Dr. Robert Becker's report (see the book of _Cross Current_),
the GWEN towers transmit electromagnetic waves in the VLF range between
150 and 175 Khz. Dr. Becker reported, "The VLF range was selected because
its signals travel by means of ground waves--electromagnetic fields that
hug the ground--rather than radiating into the atmosphere. The signals
drop off with distance, and a single GWEN station transmits to a
360-degree circle radiating out from it to a distance of about 250 to 300
miles."
When the low radiation wave are emitted from the emitter tower and hug
the Earth, so these low radiation waves can also hog the basement of your
home.
These low radiation waves will be presented constantly in residential 
area (from the air to the basement of your house) or public building.  
Therefore, the operators of local mind machine central station can 
"remote watch" anyone and invade people's privacy (at home or in office) 
on the operators' terminal screen.
How?
These kind of low radiation wave can be turned into DC power by 
technology similar to that described in the below patent.  Therefore, the 
operators can use electromagnetic waves to activate electronic devices and 
network into building and people's homes.  Using this method, it would be 
able to power invisible wave weapons to injure the target and power 
electronic parts to surveillant people wirelessly.
(attachment)
=========================================
There is a patent of "power beaming system." (see page 116 on the 
"ANGELS DON'T PLAY THIS HAARP")
Patent Number:  5,068,669
According to this patent, the present invention relates in general to the 
transfer of energy by means of electromagnetic waves to power a remote 
device.
This idea is to convert microwaves to DC power, which can be done very 
efficiently and cost effectively with the right kind of transmission 
system capable of focusing the power into a narrow beam.
===========================================
Using technologies similar to described in the above patent, the mind 
control operators would be able to remotely activate device installed in 
buildings or people's homes (some electronic parts in buildings should 
have been designed to incorporate new functions while still preserving 
their original functions).  These device can be remotely control as emitter 
for invisible wave weapons (of electromagnetic waves).
Therefore, the operators can use microwave (wireless) network the wire of 
any building and enter people's home (or building) to spy people's 
privacy & can remotely turn on the emitters of the invisible wave weapon
to injure people.
How to spy people's privacy at home (or in office)?
When people live in the GWEN emited radiation range (each emitter station
can cover area with 300 miles radius from 500 feet high in air), the low 
radiation wave would be continuosly present in public building (even 
the Empire Building) or people's home and everywhere within that 300 miles 
radius.
Also some special electric parts should have been designed as new 
electric parts, so these parts keep the old parts' function but also can be 
used to react a small (distance) area (as any room) low radiation wave 
situation.
Thus, the operators can remotely control the electromagnetic wave 
(wireless) to network the wires of people's home (or building) and 
connect the special electric parts to spy the resident people's privacy 
(in any room) with these low radiation wave which is emitting on living 
environment by GWEN system (the operators only need to watch the screen 
in the local mind machine central station and the watching ability will 
be better in airport). 
The mind machine can be used to read human thoughts, and with it being 
used, it is as if they censoring the thoughts of the entire society.   
The emitters of invisible wave (Nonlethal weapon) weapons have already
been installed in cars, public buildings, etc should be considered as
the machine guns which are installed in light poles and locate major
intersection to imposing the invisible martial law.
The operators of mind control should be considered as the soldiers.   
The only difference is that these operators might hide in 
their local central machine station to spy on the people & remotely
control the emitters to hurt any subject with the invasible waves.  They
might even be living around you to spy on you or the area you lived in.
Also, the invisible, noise-less radiation weapons will leave no 
external injuries evidence on the body of any of the victim (subject).
So, this invisible martial law will be carried out more effeciently & can
be maintained much longer because it will attract very little attention 
from the society and hence, less resistance.
If the above situation is all correct, then your car does not exactly 
belong to you.  The operators of mind control just need to remotely 
activate the previously installed emitters of microwave or low radio 
wave on your car from their central machine station, then your
safety and your life is immeadiately threatened.  
Then, your car can also be used to spy or even kill you, so it does belong
to a chian of the entire nation surveillance system.
With these devices activiated, they can read your thoughts whenever 
you're driving.  They decide whether or not they need to spy on you.  
If they want to spy on you, then it is just like they are contacting you 
on mobile phone.  The only difference is that they not only know what you 
say but can also know what you think!   They also can send the message 
to you in the car with their "microwave voices" (using microwave frequency 
radiation), but they won't use it unless they have decided to torture 
you as the mind control victim.
Combining the already invented mind machine with high-tech survilliance 
system and the radiation weapons (the so-called "non-lethal" weapons), it 
is like imposing an invisible martial law in every corner of the society.  
So no matter if you're driving in car or working in office, you can be 
spyed on and your life can be threatened.
The most evil of this mind control surveillance system is that the
operators will use the invisible wave weapon to control or manipulate
whole people's lives.
Why?
That's because the US mind control operators inherit the Communism
theory of Russia.  Therefore, the operators belive that everything of
the people belong to the whole mind control society. 
Furthermore, the mind control's goal is to change people's behaviors
in order to suit the interests of mind control society.
In order to change human behavior, the operators believe that the most
important method is to control people's lives.
Why?
That's because these operators inherit the philosophy of Stalin 
and Mao: The regime's power come from the nozzle of gun.
Not only they can spy on people at home (or offices) in this system but
also can manipulate people's health and lives with the invisible wave
weapon.  That's because the operators want to use these invisible wave
weapon to control peole's live in order to secretly eliminate their
opponents and those people whom the operator dislike.
The operators can also openly use these invisible wave weapon to torture
the awared people (who are aware of this lives control system) to force 
these victims to follow their will or even kill them.
Thus, the technologies of mind control are mostly researching on 
how to control people's lives with the invisible wave weapon.
The first step on human lives' research is to find the activation of 
human organism.
I would show readers such kind of information below:
(attachment)--See detail on Dr. Robert Becker's 1985 book --
"The body Electric".
=====================================================
" The CIA funded research on electromagnetic mind control at 
least as early as 1960, when the notorious"MKULTRA" program,
mostly concerned with hypnosis and .....FOR ADAPTING BIOELECTRIC
SENSING METHODS TO  SURVEILLANCE  AND INTERROGATION, AS WELL AS FOR
FINDING TECHMNIQUE OF ACTIVATION OF HUMAN ORGANISM BY REMOTE
ELETRONIC MEANS". 
====================================================
The machine operators indeed always use the chronal gun, and the 
electronic waves (as the tool) to remotely control the activation 
of human oganism and check the subject's paysical helath condition.    
According to this, they can build a special lives control 
system to every person.   It means that the machine operators can 
use the very low intensity microwave waves or trigger the chronal gun
(on low set) to slowly harm people (without victims' knowledge) to 
manipulate people's lives.
Therefore, the machine operators can also change (manipulate) people's
physical (health) condition without the unsupecting victim's knowledge.
such kinds of idea of the operators is worse than the Communism theory
--The property and land belong to whole Communist society ,so it should
be controlled and re-distributed to pursue the equality in the society.
Mind control operastors believe that not only people's working rights
should be controlled in their hands (so the local law enforcement
officers have recruited the local business stores' managers or bosses 
as the operators or cooprerators in order to control people's
 working rights) , but people's lives should be also controlled in
the operators' hands (with the invisible wave weapon) to pursue the
interests of mind control society.
It means that the operators believe people' lives belong to the whole
society but not belong to people themselves.   Therefore, any single 
live can be sacrificed for the interests of mind control society.
According to this theory, the mind control operastors built the invisible
wave weapon in the whole society in order to control every single live.
From above, we can always find that the mind control group learned
the theory or philosophy from Communism but their theory, philosophy 
are alo worse than the Communism.
Why?
In the Communist society, people has been told that properyty and land are
belong to whole society and will be re-distributed to pursue the equality.
However, in the mind control society, people never be told that their
lives belong to the society but have been secretly manipulated by the mind
coontrol operators.
We have fought with the Communist for half centry and has made the Russia
to change its Communism society, it has proven that Communism is wrong.
However, why does the mind control group (operators) still learn the wrong
theory from the Communism (Materialism, Atheism)?!
Comparing with information, the so called "elite group" in the society are
only the operators (or law enforcement career officers) who manipulate
people's lives.
Furthermore, these "elite group" people always learn the Comnmunism
theory.  Therefore, it is a sence that if these career offficers
(and operaors) are "elite group" in our soiciety, then the Communists are
also "elite group." 
If the Communists are the "elite group" then why we fought them over half
centry.  If our country fight with Communists countries because their
theroy are wrong, then why our "elite group" ( mind control operators
and career officers) always learned the theory from Communism?
Alo the operators control the whole preople's lives in their hands 
and consider people's lives should belong to whole society is the
worst theory than any theory of Communism.  That's because any live 
cannot be dividedinto two equal lives.  So there is no way to use the
invisible wave weapon to blance the people's lives in the society.
Theregore, to controll people's lives and to manipulate people's lives
will only for secretly eliminate the operators' opponents or those people
whom the operators dislike.
Therefore, in the mind control system, the operators can abuse people's
lives with the invisible wave weapon without most people's knowledge.
The operators might enjoy their privileges of above law but people have
been treated only as animals because their lives (rights) have been
coonsiderd as the property of whole mind control society by operators.
Considering our originl entire nation surveillance system operation way 
, the authorities "wire" the house, car, boat,(should also "wire" the
airplane with latest technology) via a TV which has linked every city,
stste, home,etc. in entire country (See detail on above).
Based on the power beaming system patent and the above surveillance
system, not only the operators can spy people in car, boat, home, (should
also including the airplane with the latest technology) at the local mind 
control central station, but the operators can also remotely trun on the
emitters of invisible wave weapon to manipulate (injure or kill) people's
lives from people's home, car, boat, (should also including the airplane),
shopping center, mall, and even on the streets.
Therefore, the mind control surveillance system has been used as the
invisible martial law in US.
That's because our government did not formally declare this martial law.
 However, the carer officers (or operators) still can use the invisible
wave weapon to kill or injure (manipulate) people's lives in everywhere.
The below information can proves that the invisible wave weapon
(so called "nonlethal weapon") are the intentionally desinged by 
the government to against the terrorist and drugtraffickers.
However, these inviible wave weapons have been abused by the mind 
control operators to manipulate people's lives and supress the law 
abiding citizrens who against the interests of mind control or 
operators.
This information is a report on nonlethal technologies, issued by 
the Council on Foreign Relations.
(attachmrent)-
----------------------------------------------
This report points out that , "The Nairobiv Convention, to which
the United States is a signastory, prohiibits the broadcast of
electronic signals into a sovereign state without its consent in
peace time.
This report opens discussion of use of these weapons against 
"terrorists" and "drug traffickers".  The CFR report recommends 
that this be done secretly so that the victims do not know where 
the attack is from, or if there even is an attack!  There is a 
problem with this approach. The use of these weapons, even against
these kinds of individuals, may be in violation of United States
law in that it presume guilt rather than innocence.  In other words,  
the POLICE, CIA, DEA, OR OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT ORGANIZATION become
THE JUDGE, JURY  AND EXCECUTIONER. (See page 180 on _ANGELS DON'T 
PLAY THE HAARP_1995 by Jeane Manning & Dr. Nick Begich)
-------------------------------------------------
Comparing with the facts, the above information has made a very
accurate deduction on these nonlethal weapon abusers.
Currently, the mind control operators have become the judge, jury, 
and executioner while they investigate or mind control of anyone in 
the society. 
Under such kind of situation, people's wealth and power has only 
become a illusion since their lives can be suddenly taken away by the
operators with the invisible wave weapon. 
Dear Citizens,
While you pursue your power and money in this society, be sure that
you can also protect your own lives from the invisible wave weapon.
Otherwise, you might have no chance to enjory your saving (money) and
power.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
  Alan Yu
  The first objective of mind control organization is to manipulate 
  people's lives in order to eliminate their opponents or enemies 
  secretly (die as if natural cause).  
  The mind (machine) control system is the national security system of 
  Taiwan from late of 1970s and should be the same in US or lots free 
  countries (In Taiwan, the mind machine is translated as "Psychological
  Language Machine."  In the Mandarin sounds as "Sin_Lee_Yue_Yan_Gi")
  Accusing other as insane without evidence is the "trademark" of mind
  control organization.
  (If any law enforcement officer declare anyone as "insane" and 
   the social security department do not put these individual in the 
   welfare program as diable person, then it only represent a kind of
   political suppression or false accusation to discredit someone.
   That' because the local law enforcement is the basic unit of mind
   control)
  The shorter the lie is, the better it is.  So, the liar can avoid
  inconsistency and mistakes that other people can catch.
  Only the truth will triumph over deception and last forever.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Subject: Re: freedom of privacy & thoughts
From: caesar@copland.udel.edu (Johnny Chien-Min Yu)
Date: 18 Dec 1996 01:33:07 -0500
Why Is Mind Control Also the Lives Control?
(Part Nine)
"Why Has The mind control syatem Been Used As the Invisible 
Martial Law?"
What is the Martial Law?
The Law imposed upon an area by military forces when civil authority 
has broken down.
If people live in a country which has declared martial law, 
they may see soldiers carrying guns at important intersections, or
machine-guns and bunkers located on important locations.   What will you 
think about this?  Would you think that these people are living in a freed 
society or a dangerous one although most people not get hurt?
The answer should be that these people are in great danger, and things 
and society can be changed at any time.
What is the invisible martial Law?
I would explain it with few points below:
1. The invisible Martial law are carrying out in our society without
opened declaration by government, therefoe, the general public are not
aware of it.
2.In the invisible martial law society, the operators are using the
state of art technology to keep people under close suveillance and
control.
3. In the invisible martial law society, the operators will use
 the state of art technology in censorship, phonetape people without
leaving the evidence.
4. In the martial law society, the operators control whole people's
  lives with the invisible wave weapon.
It means the opertors can manipulate or kill people's lives with the
invisible wave weapon.  By using the invisible wave weapon in killing or
manipulating lives, not only it will not leave the external evidence, but
also can avoid the knowledge of most victims.
What is current invisible martial law?
The mind control surveillance system has been used as the invisible 
martial law, since the invisible wave (socalled "nonlethal") weapons
are used in the surveillance system.
Now, I would like to show you some information first.  The enclosed 
information was part of the article--"New World Order & Psychotronic ELF 
Tyranny"  by C. B. Baker
====================================================
8\22\94 NEWSWEEK MAGAZINE reported on a secret Arlington, Virginia
meeting between experts from the FBI's  Counter-Terrorism Center and Dr.
Smirnov, whose work was described in the publication: "...Using
electroencephalographs, Smirnov measures brain waves, then uses computers
to CREATE A MAP OF THE SUBCONSCIOUS AND VARIOUS HUMAN IMPULSES, such as
anger or the sex drive. Then through taped SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES, he claims
to physically alter the landscape with the power of suggestion."
In March, 1993, the National Institute of Justice [NIJ]--(an office of
Janet Reno's Justice Department), issued a report titled: "NIJ Initiative
On Less-Than-Lethal Weapons." The Department is now encouraging local
and state police organizations to utilize Soviet-KGB psychotronic,
electromagnetic and mind control weapons against their local citizenry.
Targets for these KGB weapons include "domestic disturbances" meaning
that mind-control devices are even to be utilized against family
arguments.
The reports stated: "Short-term research will be completed TO ADOPT
MILITARY TECHNOLOGIES TO USE BY DOMESTIC LAW ENFORCEMENT...including
LASER, MICROWAVE, AND ELECTROMAGNETIC" WEAPONS.
=============================================
According to the above report, the local to state even the federal law 
enforcement have used these invisible wave mind control weapons to
against our citizens.  
Since the US Department of Justice encourages the local law enforcement 
to use the Russian Mind Machine & Radiation Weapons (Nonlethal Weapons) 
on US civilians, it is similiar to have secretly declared the invisible
martial law to the entire US society.
If you disagree with the above statement, I would like to explain it to 
you as below.
The original entire nation surveillance and mind control system
has been designed since 1970.
 As early as 1970, Zbigniew Brzezinski, later National Security Advisor
to President Jimmy Carter, predicated a "more  controlled and directed 
society" would gradually appear, linked the technology.  This society
would be dominated by an elite group which impresses voters by allegedly
superior scientific know-how.
Unhindered by the restraints of traditional liberal values, this elite
would not hesitate to achieve its political ends by using the latest
modern techniques for inflencing public behavior and keeping society under
close surveillance and control (this words is a hints that mind control 
technology has made the remarable progress). Technical and scientific
momentum would then feed on the situation it exploits.  Brzezinski
predicted (see page 200 on _Angels Don't Play This HAARP_).
 In August 1971, there is a entire nation surveillance security 
system program proposal submitted to the President Nixon.  It 
proposed to "wire" every "house", "car", and "boat" in America.  The
plan included a blueprint for a government- operated propaganda system
via a TV network that would have linked every state, city, and home.
  (See page 181 on the"Uncloaking the CIA")
Although this program wasn't accepted At that time.  It did prove that
 they did have this plan and should have the technology to accomplish it for 
a long time.   How could they propose to "wire" every house, car and boat 
in American?  It must use the radio wave or low radiation wave to network 
these objects (house, car, boat, etc.), otherwise, they cannot achieve 
this goal.  This program has proven that these security officers have the 
technology to use the low radiation wave or radio wave to "wire" the 
house, car, boat, etc. (via a TV network that would have linked every 
city, state, home) since 1971.
 After the crash of TWA flight 800 near Long Island, the news media
reported on the security system installed in airports. On World News
Tonight with Peter Jenning broadcast on 7/22/96, it was reported that some
airport security officers now utilize low electromagnetic radiation device
to check people for weapons.  The shape of the passenger's body would be
shown on the computer terminal screen.  If there's a weapon hidden on the
passenger, the weapon would also be shown on the screen.  It can be
distinguish from parts of human body because of its shape and it would be
in darker color on the screen).
The device shown on World News Tonight shows that low level radiation can 
be used to surveillant people because it can be used to display people's 
bodies on computer terminal.  Furthermore, I believe that such kind of 
devices should have been used with state of art technologies.  This would 
enable the user to see the target on the computer screen very clearly 
(much like photograph created by the light reflected off people's skins 
onto the film).  The low level radiation security device used in airport 
should be far behind the technologies used by the mind control system. 
Otherwise such kinds of system won't let our general public to know.
Another article has proven that a micro-chips also use 
the low radio wave to track animal and people.  It does prove that 
the low radiation wave is indeed the technology of current
surveillance system. 
So, if our residential area is irradiated with such kind of low level 
radiation, then the operators in the central mind machine station can 
"remote watch" anyone (no matter if the person was at home or in public 
building) on the computer terminals in the central machine station.
Do you know our residential area have been irradiate with the low 
radiation wave for many years?
Why?
The GWEN (Ground-Wave Emergency Network) system was built in 1980 (It is at
the same year while the US Senate passed the Intelligence Oversight Act of 
1980)) and can emit the VLF or low radiation wave which could be used in the 
surveillance system (it could be used to emit the same type of radiation 
emit by those security devices used in airport).
This system not only emitted the VLF which can effect the behavior of human 
brain but also can carry LFS (low frequency sound wave or infrasound).
So, the GWEN system has many different functions although the government 
states that it is mainly used as a communication system for time of war.
According to information, the Ground Wave Emergency Network (GWEN) was 
begun in the 1980's by the U.S. Government. The system was allegedly 
designed for the purpose of maintaining defense communications in case of 
a nuclear war. (Please see detail on page 301 on CROSS CURRENTS by Dr.  
Robert Becker)
So its function should be the communication system in nuclear war.
A communication system in nuclear war should not be easily 
attacked or destroied in nuclear war.  Otherwise, it is useless.
However, according to Dr. Robert Beker's opinion, the entire network is 
highly danger to destruction from an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) 
generated by a high-altitude nuclear explosion (see detail on 
attachment below).
(attachment)
=======================================
One aspect of nuclear war that is notwell publicized is the EMP 
(Electromagnetic Pulse) phenomenon.  An electromagnetic pulse is very 
short, intense brust of electromagnetic energy that is produced by the 
explosion of a nuclear weapon in space.  If an EMP were produced by a 
nuclear explosion 100 miles above KANSAS City, its energy would be so 
intense that it would shut off all electric-power system, destroy all 
computer ..............
and shut down all radio communications--across the entire United States.  
(See detail on page 302 on "Cross Current" by Robert Becker)
================================================
Therefore, it is illogical to say that the GWEN system's function 
is the connunication system in nuclear war because this GWEN system even 
cannot avoid to be destoried in nuclear war (because it will be rendered 
useless in by the electromagnetic pulse).
Also if this system is only used for communication of nuclear war, then they 
don't need to be operating it right now because we are not at war currently.
Yet the following information point out that GWEN is currently being used.
(attachment)
========================================
After the 9\93 YOUTH ACTION NEWS report, "Weather war Deluge Over
America" exposed the role of the GWEN system in electromagnetic
weather-engineering, the Government suddenly announced that it was
temporarily curtailing construction for a one year moratorium that just
ended. The present 58 tower GWEN system is still functioning and cannot
be turned off or dismantled without specific legislation from Congress.
====================================================
The above report has proven that this system has been turned on and 
cannot be turned off or dismantled without special legislation from
Congress.
The above facts have showed us that this system is not really used for 
the communication of nuclear war.
According to Dr. Robert Becker's report (see the book of _Cross Current_),
the GWEN towers transmit electromagnetic waves in the VLF range between
150 and 175 Khz. Dr. Becker reported, "The VLF range was selected because
its signals travel by means of ground waves--electromagnetic fields that
hug the ground--rather than radiating into the atmosphere. The signals
drop off with distance, and a single GWEN station transmits to a
360-degree circle radiating out from it to a distance of about 250 to 300
miles."
When the low radiation wave are emitted from the emitter tower and hug
the Earth, so these low radiation waves can also hog the basement of your
home.
These low radiation waves will be presented constantly in residential 
area (from the air to the basement of your house) or public building.  
Therefore, the operators of local mind machine central station can 
"remote watch" anyone and invade people's privacy (at home or in office) 
on the operators' terminal screen.
How?
These kind of low radiation wave can be turned into DC power by 
technology similar to that described in the below patent.  Therefore, the 
operators can use electromagnetic waves to activate electronic devices and 
network into building and people's homes.  Using this method, it would be 
able to power invisible wave weapons to injure the target and power 
electronic parts to surveillant people wirelessly.
(attachment)
=========================================
There is a patent of "power beaming system." (see page 116 on the 
"ANGELS DON'T PLAY THIS HAARP")
Patent Number:  5,068,669
According to this patent, the present invention relates in general to the 
transfer of energy by means of electromagnetic waves to power a remote 
device.
This idea is to convert microwaves to DC power, which can be done very 
efficiently and cost effectively with the right kind of transmission 
system capable of focusing the power into a narrow beam.
===========================================
Using technologies similar to described in the above patent, the mind 
control operators would be able to remotely activate device installed in 
buildings or people's homes (some electronic parts in buildings should 
have been designed to incorporate new functions while still preserving 
their original functions).  These device can be remotely control as emitter 
for invisible wave weapons (of electromagnetic waves).
Therefore, the operators can use microwave (wireless) network the wire of 
any building and enter people's home (or building) to spy people's 
privacy & can remotely turn on the emitters of the invisible wave weapon
to injure people.
How to spy people's privacy at home (or in office)?
When people live in the GWEN emited radiation range (each emitter station
can cover area with 300 miles radius from 500 feet high in air), the low 
radiation wave would be continuosly present in public building (even 
the Empire Building) or people's home and everywhere within that 300 miles 
radius.
Also some special electric parts should have been designed as new 
electric parts, so these parts keep the old parts' function but also can be 
used to react a small (distance) area (as any room) low radiation wave 
situation.
Thus, the operators can remotely control the electromagnetic wave 
(wireless) to network the wires of people's home (or building) and 
connect the special electric parts to spy the resident people's privacy 
(in any room) with these low radiation wave which is emitting on living 
environment by GWEN system (the operators only need to watch the screen 
in the local mind machine central station and the watching ability will 
be better in airport). 
The mind machine can be used to read human thoughts, and with it being 
used, it is as if they censoring the thoughts of the entire society.   
The emitters of invisible wave (Nonlethal weapon) weapons have already
been installed in cars, public buildings, etc should be considered as
the machine guns which are installed in light poles and locate major
intersection to imposing the invisible martial law.
The operators of mind control should be considered as the soldiers.   
The only difference is that these operators might hide in 
their local central machine station to spy on the people & remotely
control the emitters to hurt any subject with the invasible waves.  They
might even be living around you to spy on you or the area you lived in.
Also, the invisible, noise-less radiation weapons will leave no 
external injuries evidence on the body of any of the victim (subject).
So, this invisible martial law will be carried out more effeciently & can
be maintained much longer because it will attract very little attention 
from the society and hence, less resistance.
If the above situation is all correct, then your car does not exactly 
belong to you.  The operators of mind control just need to remotely 
activate the previously installed emitters of microwave or low radio 
wave on your car from their central machine station, then your
safety and your life is immeadiately threatened.  
Then, your car can also be used to spy or even kill you, so it does belong
to a chian of the entire nation surveillance system.
With these devices activiated, they can read your thoughts whenever 
you're driving.  They decide whether or not they need to spy on you.  
If they want to spy on you, then it is just like they are contacting you 
on mobile phone.  The only difference is that they not only know what you 
say but can also know what you think!   They also can send the message 
to you in the car with their "microwave voices" (using microwave frequency 
radiation), but they won't use it unless they have decided to torture 
you as the mind control victim.
Combining the already invented mind machine with high-tech survilliance 
system and the radiation weapons (the so-called "non-lethal" weapons), it 
is like imposing an invisible martial law in every corner of the society.  
So no matter if you're driving in car or working in office, you can be 
spyed on and your life can be threatened.
The most evil of this mind control surveillance system is that the
operators will use the invisible wave weapon to control or manipulate
whole people's lives.
Why?
That's because the US mind control operators inherit the Communism
theory of Russia.  Therefore, the operators belive that everything of
the people belong to the whole mind control society. 
Furthermore, the mind control's goal is to change people's behaviors
in order to suit the interests of mind control society.
In order to change human behavior, the operators believe that the most
important method is to control people's lives.
Why?
That's because these operators inherit the philosophy of Stalin 
and Mao: The regime's power come from the nozzle of gun.
Not only they can spy on people at home (or offices) in this system but
also can manipulate people's health and lives with the invisible wave
weapon.  That's because the operators want to use these invisible wave
weapon to control peole's live in order to secretly eliminate their
opponents and those people whom the operator dislike.
The operators can also openly use these invisible wave weapon to torture
the awared people (who are aware of this lives control system) to force 
these victims to follow their will or even kill them.
Thus, the technologies of mind control are mostly researching on 
how to control people's lives with the invisible wave weapon.
The first step on human lives' research is to find the activation of 
human organism.
I would show readers such kind of information below:
(attachment)--See detail on Dr. Robert Becker's 1985 book --
"The body Electric".
=====================================================
" The CIA funded research on electromagnetic mind control at 
least as early as 1960, when the notorious"MKULTRA" program,
mostly concerned with hypnosis and .....FOR ADAPTING BIOELECTRIC
SENSING METHODS TO  SURVEILLANCE  AND INTERROGATION, AS WELL AS FOR
FINDING TECHMNIQUE OF ACTIVATION OF HUMAN ORGANISM BY REMOTE
ELETRONIC MEANS". 
====================================================
The machine operators indeed always use the chronal gun, and the 
electronic waves (as the tool) to remotely control the activation 
of human oganism and check the subject's paysical helath condition.    
According to this, they can build a special lives control 
system to every person.   It means that the machine operators can 
use the very low intensity microwave waves or trigger the chronal gun
(on low set) to slowly harm people (without victims' knowledge) to 
manipulate people's lives.
Therefore, the machine operators can also change (manipulate) people's
physical (health) condition without the unsupecting victim's knowledge.
such kinds of idea of the operators is worse than the Communism theory
--The property and land belong to whole Communist society ,so it should
be controlled and re-distributed to pursue the equality in the society.
Mind control operastors believe that not only people's working rights
should be controlled in their hands (so the local law enforcement
officers have recruited the local business stores' managers or bosses 
as the operators or cooprerators in order to control people's
 working rights) , but people's lives should be also controlled in
the operators' hands (with the invisible wave weapon) to pursue the
interests of mind control society.
It means that the operators believe people' lives belong to the whole
society but not belong to people themselves.   Therefore, any single 
live can be sacrificed for the interests of mind control society.
According to this theory, the mind control operastors built the invisible
wave weapon in the whole society in order to control every single live.
From above, we can always find that the mind control group learned
the theory or philosophy from Communism but their theory, philosophy 
are alo worse than the Communism.
Why?
In the Communist society, people has been told that properyty and land are
belong to whole society and will be re-distributed to pursue the equality.
However, in the mind control society, people never be told that their
lives belong to the society but have been secretly manipulated by the mind
coontrol operators.
We have fought with the Communist for half centry and has made the Russia
to change its Communism society, it has proven that Communism is wrong.
However, why does the mind control group (operators) still learn the wrong
theory from the Communism (Materialism, Atheism)?!
Comparing with information, the so called "elite group" in the society are
only the operators (or law enforcement career officers) who manipulate
people's lives.
Furthermore, these "elite group" people always learn the Comnmunism
theory.  Therefore, it is a sence that if these career offficers
(and operaors) are "elite group" in our soiciety, then the Communists are
also "elite group." 
If the Communists are the "elite group" then why we fought them over half
centry.  If our country fight with Communists countries because their
theroy are wrong, then why our "elite group" ( mind control operators
and career officers) always learned the theory from Communism?
Alo the operators control the whole preople's lives in their hands 
and consider people's lives should belong to whole society is the
worst theory than any theory of Communism.  That's because any live 
cannot be dividedinto two equal lives.  So there is no way to use the
invisible wave weapon to blance the people's lives in the society.
Theregore, to controll people's lives and to manipulate people's lives
will only for secretly eliminate the operators' opponents or those people
whom the operators dislike.
Therefore, in the mind control system, the operators can abuse people's
lives with the invisible wave weapon without most people's knowledge.
The operators might enjoy their privileges of above law but people have
been treated only as animals because their lives (rights) have been
coonsiderd as the property of whole mind control society by operators.
Considering our originl entire nation surveillance system operation way 
, the authorities "wire" the house, car, boat,(should also "wire" the
airplane with latest technology) via a TV which has linked every city,
stste, home,etc. in entire country (See detail on above).
Based on the power beaming system patent and the above surveillance
system, not only the operators can spy people in car, boat, home, (should
also including the airplane with the latest technology) at the local mind 
control central station, but the operators can also remotely trun on the
emitters of invisible wave weapon to manipulate (injure or kill) people's
lives from people's home, car, boat, (should also including the airplane),
shopping center, mall, and even on the streets.
Therefore, the mind control surveillance system has been used as the
invisible martial law in US.
That's because our government did not formally declare this martial law.
 However, the carer officers (or operators) still can use the invisible
wave weapon to kill or injure (manipulate) people's lives in everywhere.
The below information can proves that the invisible wave weapon
(so called "nonlethal weapon") are the intentionally desinged by 
the government to against the terrorist and drugtraffickers.
However, these inviible wave weapons have been abused by the mind 
control operators to manipulate people's lives and supress the law 
abiding citizrens who against the interests of mind control or 
operators.
This information is a report on nonlethal technologies, issued by 
the Council on Foreign Relations.
(attachmrent)-
----------------------------------------------
This report points out that , "The Nairobiv Convention, to which
the United States is a signastory, prohiibits the broadcast of
electronic signals into a sovereign state without its consent in
peace time.
This report opens discussion of use of these weapons against 
"terrorists" and "drug traffickers".  The CFR report recommends 
that this be done secretly so that the victims do not know where 
the attack is from, or if there even is an attack!  There is a 
problem with this approach. The use of these weapons, even against
these kinds of individuals, may be in violation of United States
law in that it presume guilt rather than innocence.  In other words,  
the POLICE, CIA, DEA, OR OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT ORGANIZATION become
THE JUDGE, JURY  AND EXCECUTIONER. (See page 180 on _ANGELS DON'T 
PLAY THE HAARP_1995 by Jeane Manning & Dr. Nick Begich)
-------------------------------------------------
Comparing with the facts, the above information has made a very
accurate deduction on these nonlethal weapon abusers.
Currently, the mind control operators have become the judge, jury, 
and executioner while they investigate or mind control of anyone in 
the society. 
Under such kind of situation, people's wealth and power has only 
become a illusion since their lives can be suddenly taken away by the
operators with the invisible wave weapon. 
Dear Citizens,
While you pursue your power and money in this society, be sure that
you can also protect your own lives from the invisible wave weapon.
Otherwise, you might have no chance to enjory your saving (money) and
power.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
  Alan Yu
  The first objective of mind control organization is to manipulate 
  people's lives in order to eliminate their opponents or enemies 
  secretly (die as if natural cause).  
  The mind (machine) control system is the national security system of 
  Taiwan from late of 1970s and should be the same in US or lots free 
  countries (In Taiwan, the mind machine is translated as "Psychological
  Language Machine."  In the Mandarin sounds as "Sin_Lee_Yue_Yan_Gi")
  Accusing other as insane without evidence is the "trademark" of mind
  control organization.
  (If any law enforcement officer declare anyone as "insane" and 
   the social security department do not put these individual in the 
   welfare program as diable person, then it only represent a kind of
   political suppression or false accusation to discredit someone.
   That' because the local law enforcement is the basic unit of mind
   control)
  The shorter the lie is, the better it is.  So, the liar can avoid
  inconsistency and mistakes that other people can catch.
  Only the truth will triumph over deception and last forever.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Subject: Re: Time and its existance
From: lconlin@emerald.tufts.edu (Luke Conlin)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 02:12:04 -0500
>   Sorry Peter, time travel (future or past, it doesn't matter) is the
> biggest deception being inflicted upon an unsuspecting public by a
> number of physicists who either don't know what they're talking about
> or read too much sci-fi. 
> 
Too bad for you that travel into the future has already been proven.  Not
only did the astronauts goin to the moon travel a short amount into the
future, we synchronize clocks on the principle that time slows down at high
speeds!
-- 
Luke Conlin
Tufts University
lconlin@emerald.tufts.edu
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Subject: Easy AM radio question
From: bdzeiler@primenet.com (Brian Zeiler)
Date: 18 Dec 1996 01:17:02 -0700
I need a little help here from somebody who knows more than me (which
is zero) about radios.  I listen to AM radio through a regular Sony
amplifier/receiver component.  Problem is, I live pretty much in
downtown Chicago, so between the buildings blocking signals and all
the other radio noise, it's hard to get signals from WTMJ 620 AM in
Milwaukee, about 90 miles to the North.  I'm a Milwaukee Bucks fan,
and I'm pretty excited that we actually have a winning record (13-9!),
so I'd like to listen to some games (especially the upcoming Laker
game).
So, my question is: what can I do to improve my AM reception?  I have
an AM radio antenna coil hooked up to the back, but it's just the
little cheap antenna that came with the receiver.  Any suggestions?
I'm not even getting a weak signal -- I'm getting nothing.  And the
station is very strong, strong enough to receive when I'm on the
highway in Chicago.
Please keep it as simple and basic as possible, and don't worry about
underestimating my knowledge of radios -- when in doubt, dumb it down.
Thanks!!
_______________________________________________________________                        
                        G ########### P
                     R ####         #### A 
                   E ###    ########   ### C 
                  E ##    ################# K 
                  N ##    ####           ## E 
                   B ###   #########   ### R 
                     A ####         #### S
                        Y ########### ! 
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Subject: Re: At what temp does water boil in a vacume??????????????????????
From: oncology
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 11:15:31 -0800
JOE wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>    If someone has the time could you please explain what happens to the
> boiling point of water in a vacume. A fellow at work tells me that if you
> subject a volume of water (at room temperature) to a vacume it will boil
> until it freezes. Is this true?????
>                                        Thanks for your time,
>                                          Shawn
>                                        critter@proaxis.com
	The boiling point of any liquid is defined as the temperature at which
the vapor pressure of the liquid equals the prevailing atmospheric
pressure.  When the vapor pressure equals 1 atm (101325 Pa), the
temperature of the liquid is at the normal boiling point.  The vapor
pressure of water is therefore 1 atm at 100 C.
	At room temperature of 22 C (68 F), the vapor pressure of water is
about 17.5 torr (2333 Pa).  This pressure can easily be obtained by a
mechanical vacuum pump, so that the water in the vacuum system will
indeed be boiling at room temperature.  As it boils, the water will
undergo evaporative cooling because those water molecules with the
highest kinetic energy are more likely to escape into the vapor phase.
	Cooling the water will of course lower the equilibrium vapor pressure
of water, but boiling will continue as long as the ambient pressure
within the system is below the v.p.  If the vacuum is maintained below
4.5 torr, which is the vapor pressure of water at 0 C, the cooling may
be sufficient to freeze the remaining water.
	There is no discontinuity in the vapor pressure curve due to the phase
change from liquid to solid water, so ice itself will continue to
vaporize (sublime).  At extremely low temperatures, such as those at the
lunar south pole, the equilibrium vapor pressure of ice is so low with a
corresponding reduction in the rate of sublimation that ice deposited
there millions of years ago is postulated to still exist despite the
hard vacuum over it. 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wayne Butler, Ph.D.
Oncology Center
Wheeling Hospital
Wheeling,  WV  26003
Phone:    304-243-3983
Fax:      304-243-5047
E-mail:   oncology@hgo.net
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Subject: Re: Playing with opponents who don't want to win.
From: Scintor@isat.com (Mark McDonald)
Date: 18 Dec 1996 09:14:08 GMT
>A] Mark McDonald obviously knows *nothing* *whatsoever* about the 
>   Uncertainty Principle, aside from its name.  His posts demonstrated
>   a complete ignorance of the concepts central to quantum mechanics.
I have studied physics and do have a working knowledge of the principle. 
However, I disagree with some of its assumptions.
>B] How can QM be an "unproven theory" which is "not real science",
>   and yet still provide the most accurate agreement between theoretical
>   predictions and experimental observations (to the order of one part
>   in ten billion accuracy)? 
There are no experiments with that order of accuracy.  I would suggest
that you check your scource data again.  The chance of the observed
phenomenon being random may be that low, but the observations can be
nowhere near that accurate due to the known experimental error constants.
>C] No real scientist adheres to the notion that the theories they propound
>   are in any sense "The Truth."  Scientists use theories as a tool for
>   understanding the universe, not for *defining* it.  Anyone who claims
>   otherwise is putting words in scientists' mouths.  
No GOOD scientists makes such a statement.  I have heard simular
statements from well published, tenured scientists.  If they would quit
doing this or their contemporaries would censure them properly for doing
so, I would have far less to complain about.
>Until Mark can reply to these points in a rational, reasonable, and
>logical manner, he *is*, in fact a kook in my book, but *not* simply
>because he's in too much of a hurry to proof-read his posts before he
>sends them out.
I have attempted to reply in as rational and reasonable a maner as often
as possible.  Unfortunately, people who simply sit there and insult me
without bringing any evidence make me a bit angry.  I thank you for
realizing whatevidence is rather than joining in the kook bashing.
>Finally, I have to point out that this thread does not belong on
>rec.games.board.  I am pointing follow-ups to sci.physics.  Mr.
>McDonald, if you're really so sure of yourself, I challenge you
>to make your point to the scientific community.  As the saying 
>goes, "It's time to put your money where your mouth is."
I have volunteered to let this thread drop on one or more occasions.  I
have made this point to the scientific community as often as I have had
opportunity.  I have yet to get a satisfactory answer from them on this or
many other questions that I have.  The usual process is that as soon as I
give the complete evidenceand show the specific weakness of the theorems
and ask for clarification or evidence, I do not hear from them again.  I
find this extremly puzzeling.  As for the sci.physics board, I might give
it a try.
-- 
Scincerely,
Scintor
There are those who say that no true story ever ends...
There are others who say that there is only one true story and we are all a part of it.
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Subject: Re: The absurd debate
From: owl@rci.rutgers.edu (Michael Huemer)
Date: 18 Dec 1996 04:03:09 -0500
realistic@seanet.com (Richard F. Hall) writes:
>Very well said, a man who has no reverence is usually disgusted with most 
>everything (a very poor place to be psychologically and physiologically 
Well, no.  I said the opposite of reverence is disgust, but that
doesn't mean that a person who lacks reverence must be disgusted.  The
opposite of "obese" is "emaciated", but that doesn't mean that
everyone who is not obese is emaciated (and vice versa).  The opposite
of 'ocean' may be 'desert', but that doesn't mean every place on earth
that's not an ocean is a desert.
>If you are ready:
>http://www.seanet.com/~realistic/idealism.html
Hm... afraid I'm not ready yet.
-- 
                                              ^-----^ 
 Michael Huemer         / O   O \
 http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~owl             |   V   | 
                                              \     / 
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Subject: Re: matter at relatavistic speeds.
From: dc@cage.rug.ac.be (Denis Constales)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 10:30:24 +0200
In article <01bbebbb$2ec206e0$84884bce@stephenw>, "Stephen C. Woodworth"
 wrote:
> At what level is the mass added?
> 
> Is it at the quark and gluon level, making the particles more complex, or
> forming new particles?
> 
> Is it at the atomic level, simply adding more atoms?
No and no; according to the usual theory every particle has its mass
increased in the same proportion. There are no new particles or atoms
formed. The mass increases for the external observer with respect to whom
the particles move at near lightspeed, not for an observer that would move
along with the particles; he would not notice any difference in mass.
Cheers, D.C.
-- 
Dr. Denis Constales - dcons@world.std.com - http://cage.rug.ac.be/~dc/
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Subject: Re: Acceleration?
From: B Jones
Date: 18 Dec 1996 09:15:12 GMT
kfischer@iglou.com (Ken Fischer) writes:
> Peter Diehr (pdiehr@mail.ic.net) wrote:
> : Ken Fischer wrote:
> : > J. Matthew Nyman (timeflux@concentric.net) wrote:
> : > : I have a quick question.
> : > 
> : > : Let's say I fall over a bannister and down to the first floor of a
> : > : house.  During my fall, technically, I am in free fall, right?
> : > 
> : >         Certainly, except for air resistance.
> : > 
> : > : In other words, I don't approach the ground - the ground
> : > : approaches me due to the motion of the Earth.
> : > 
> : >         Have you been reading about the Divergent Matter GUT. :-)
> : > Classical physicists would say you are ready for the guys
> : > in the white jackets, while Relativists would say you have
> : > discovered Einstein's Principle of Equivalence, but maybe
> : > it would be better not to carry it too far, after all, a
> : > guy in New Zealand says the same thing, and the Earth
> : > can't be moving both ways at once.
> : >         But I think you have it right.
> 
> : Re: New Zealand and New England
> 
> : The falling person follows a geodesic.  
> 
>         Yes, but the Synge treatment of the worldline of the
> falling person seems to be more like in Divergent Matter,
> the worldline points upward, without acceleration (constant
> velocity neglecting air friction), while the worldline of a
> certain point on the floor accelerates to the point where
> the floor intersects part of the falling person's anatomy.
>         At first glance, I think I have to say the geodesic
> for the falling person is opposite to his worldline!
> 
> : The geodesic followed depends
> : upon the quantity and location of matter and energy in that region of
> : space.  For the person falling over a bannister, the major influence
> : is the earth ... the geodesics are differnet for each falling person,
> : but each one still tends to point towards the center of the earth!
> 
>         The difference seems to be that Synge views General
> Relativity from inside the Principle of Equivalence, he sees
> the events of gravitation always on the side of the PoE of
> acceleration, it appears to me he never sees gravitation.
>         The Earth seems to influence the person before he
> falls, and when he hits the floor, but not while he is
> falling!
>         If all test bodies fall with the same acceleration,
> it seems nature could perform that trick easier by having
> the Earth do something, and just let the falling person
> follow his worldline, which is inertial motion with a
> vector pointing upward.
>         Then nature can have the surface of the Earth
> do the accelerating, that is easier than trying to make
> each test body fall with the same acceleration.
> 
> : The problem is that the geodesics being followed intersect the 
> : surface of the earth (or rather, the surface of the floor!).  I think
> : it must be a conspiracy of some sort. ;-)
> : Best Regards, Peter
> 
>         Yes, the geodesics seem to point toward the center
> of mass of the Earth, but the worldline points the other
> way, with a little curve due to the second order effect
> of the rotation of the Earth.
>         Too bad we can't have a special measuring stick
> with the units of length fixed at the instant the person
> starts falling (T1),  and use that to measure the diameter
> of the Earth at the instant the person hits the floor.
>         Would the diameter of the Earth be the same in
> both cases, before, and after.   If not, then maybe we
> don't need gravitons after all. :-)
> 
>         Could we use this comparison of geodesic versus
> worldline to do experiments like the 22.5 meter tower
> of Pound and Rebka?
>         Then the emitter and absorber could have an
> upward worldline, and the Earth's surface could accelerate
> upward, and emissions from the bottom of the tower should
> be redshifted when they get to the top of the tower due
> to the change in velocity of the absorber from the surface
> takes to go the 22.5 meters.
>-----------------------------------------------------
Little add on comment form ez3
I think falling towards the earth is not somthing pushing
someone towards it or the earth towards someone,although
it may seem that way,like being on water,not knowing wheather your
moving or the water is.Anyways I think someone falling is being
pulled towards the earth or rather the spacial fabric is and 
someones in it. Kind of like a boat in a wirlpool of water.
                        Just an Idea
                            Bill 
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Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT: Science Jokes Collection
From: verhagen@fys.ruu.nl (Joachim Verhagen)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 09:24:20 GMT
Latest Version of SCIENCE JOKES COLLECTION available with 87 new or changed
entries, making a total of 1059 entries.
WHERE TO GET IT.
News: I posted the collection today as 20 files in news:rec.humor
FTP: ftp://ftp.in.umist.ac.uk/pub/Text/scijokes.zip
FTP: ftp://ftp.princeton.edu/pub/pemayer/sciencejokes.tar.gz
WWW: http://www.fys.ruu.nl/~nienhuys/scijokes/
WWW: http://www.princeton.edu/~pemayer/ScienceJokes.html
Send comments and contributions (especially contributions) to:
j.c.d.verhagen@fys.ruu.nl (Joachim Verhagen)
CONTENTS SCIENCE JOKES Version 6.20     Time-stamp: "December 14, 1996"
=1. Mathematics
=1.1 proofs
=1.2 statistics and statisticians
=1.3 mathematicians
=1.4 mathematics poetry
=1.5 mathematics quotes
=2. physics
=2.1 physics poetry
=2.2 physics quotes
=3. chemistry
=3.1 chemistry poetry
=3.2 chemistry quotes
=4. biology
=4.1 biology poetry
=4.2 biology quotes
=5. The mathematician, the physicist and the engineer (and others)
=6. miscellany
=6.1 rules for research
=6.2 rules for writing an article
=6.3 poetry
=6.4 quotes
=7. anecdotes about scientists
=8. mnemonics
=8.1 mnemonics
=8.2 mathematics
=8.3 computer science
=8.4 physics
=8.5 chemistry
=8.6 biology and medicine
=8.7 miscellany
=9. pranks
=10. sources of science humor on and off the net
STATISTICS:
SECTION                               JOKES LINES LINES/JOKE
____________________________________________________________________________
                                          0    67     0.00
=1. MATHEMATICS                         302  4611    15.27
=2. PHYSICS                             189  3742    19.80
=3. CHEMISTRY                            78  1339    17.17
=4. BIOLOGY                              70   891    12.73
=5. THE MATHEMATICIAN, THE PHYSICIST AND THE ENGINEER (AND OTHERS)
                                         71  1437    20.24
=6. MISCELLANY                          218  5157    23.66
=7. ANECDOTES ABOUT SCIENTISTS           38   556    14.63
=8. MNEMONICS                            42  1169    27.83
=9. PRANKS                               29   734    25.31
=10. SOURCES OF SCIENCE HUMOR ON AND OFF THE NET
                                         22   345    15.68
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TOTAL                                  1059 20048    18.93
Jokes including:    Number:
     mathematics        383
         physics        277
       chemistry        124
         biology         91
     engineering         70
computer science         18
New jokes since last posting (October  26, 1996) :         82
Changed jokes since last posting (October  26, 1996) :      5
--
Joachim Verhagen     		   E-mail:J.C.D.Verhagen@fys.ruu.nl
Department of molecular biofysics, University of Utrecht
Utrecht, The Netherlands.
Home-page: http://www.fys.ruu.nl/~verhagen (Science Jokes & SF)
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Subject: Could Space Be A Substance
From: B Jones
Date: 18 Dec 1996 09:35:30 GMT
I think space is a substance and can be manipulated, but needs to be
proven in a way to conpare to other known quantities(mass, energy,....).
Possibly find it`s density. If you think possible or have an idea please
leave comment.
                                             Just An Idea
                                               The Laymen
                                                  Bill
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Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution
From: mls@panix.com (Michael L. Siemon)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 01:45:53 -0500
In article , pshe@netcom.com (Pat Shelton) wrote:
+There was a famous treatise written in the Middle Ages that explained
+this quite easily.  You ought to at least catch up with the Middle
+Ages before you debate this stuff.
+
+The subject of the treatise was whether Adam had a navel.  However, I
+will make it even simpler.  When God created trees (run with it) did 
+they have rings?
You have a remarkably curious sense of historical chronology. The
"treatise" you refer to was published in the (latter part of the) 19th
century. Your other notions are (approximately) equally well-grounded
in reality. Are you making this junk up on the fly, or are you a victim
of some *other* lunatic?
-- 
Michael L. Siemon                             mls@panix.com        
        "sempiternal, though sodden towards sundown."
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Subject: Re: Physics GRE
From: jac@ibms46.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Date: 16 Dec 1996 00:18:59 GMT
jjtom4@imap2.asu.edu writes:
>
>Yes...  I didn't think I'd actually have to work out an expression like
>hc/(lambda) to find the energy of a photon with given wavelength (then 
>subtract the work function to get the minimum kinetic energy of an 
>electron ejected...)  
 If they still are at that level, then the old advice still stands: 
 The best preparation for the physics GRE is to teach recitations 
 for intro physics as an undergraduate.  
-- 
 James A. Carr        |  "The half of knowledge is knowing
    http://www.scri.fsu.edu/~jac/       |  where to find knowledge" - Anon. 
 Supercomputer Computations Res. Inst.  |  Motto over the entrance to Dodd 
 Florida State, Tallahassee FL 32306    |  Hall, former library at FSCW. 
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Subject: Polarized light
From: "Dick Lai"
Date: 18 Dec 1996 10:41:23 GMT
Could someone tell me how polarized light form. And why it could turned
when passed thought some organic matters.
Thanks for your help.
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Subject: Re: C IS ATTAINABLE!
From: odessey2@ix.netcom.com(Allen Meisner)
Date: 18 Dec 1996 10:59:23 GMT
    The speed of light is attainable by ordinary means! Say you are in
a rocket ship, approaching the speed of light. As the rocket approaches
c, it's kinetic energy goes to infinity. However, the energy of the
rocket propellant is also approaching infinity! Therefore, as you
attain c, the rocket, as well as the rocket propellant, have infinite
energy!
Edward Meisner
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Subject: Re: Easy AM radio question
From: crs
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 06:24:36 +0100
Brian Zeiler wrote:
> 
> I need a little help here from somebody who knows more than me (which
> is zero) about radios.  I listen to AM radio through a regular Sony
> amplifier/receiver component.  Problem is, I live pretty much in
> downtown Chicago, so between the buildings blocking signals and all
> the other radio noise, it's hard to get signals from WTMJ 620 AM in
> Milwaukee, about 90 miles to the North.  I'm a Milwaukee Bucks fan,
> and I'm pretty excited that we actually have a winning record (13-9!),
> so I'd like to listen to some games (especially the upcoming Laker
> game).
> 
> So, my question is: what can I do to improve my AM reception?  
[snip]
My first response is this:  I saw the Bucks beat the Celtics the other
night in Boston (no great accomplishment) - don't bother.  If that game
was a representative sample, the Bucks didn't play with any heart and
won't for the remainder of the season.
However, there's no accounting for taste so I'll try to answer your
question.  As I recall, 'TMJ sends out a directional signal.  If you are
not in the path, there's no hope of picking it up in Chicago.  Can you
get the signal in your car once you get out of the downtown area?  If
not, consider "da Bulls" (option B).  If you can pick the game up and
you still want to do so in your building, then you will need to put up
an antenna that goes as high as possible so that the surrounding
buildings are less likely to interfere.  Can you string a wire to the
top of your building?  If not, you might want to take a drive to
Evanston and listen in your car (Lakeshore Drive is nice this time of
year).  Also, aren't the Bucks broadcasts syndicated to other stations
in WI?  What about some (possibly non-directional) station in Racine or
Kenosha?
I probably wasn't much help because there really isn't much you can do
without spending some big bucks (no pun intended).  Take heart - there's
always option B.
Chuck Szmanda
chucksz@ultranet.com
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Subject: Re: Please Solve an Argument for me...
From: coolhand@Glue.umd.edu (Kevin Anthony Scaldeferri)
Date: 17 Dec 1996 22:00:22 -0500
In article ,
Anthony James Bentley   wrote:
>
>The Final statement being absolute nonsense and criticised as such 
>I quote:-
>>So, instead of believing the previailing wisdom, which everyone with
>>someknowledge of physics can check by himself, using Newton's laws and
>>some mathematics, we have to believe some bureau which declared it to
>be
>>otherwise. This seems like the decree by one of the states to equal pi
>>to 3. It is simply not the truth. - Paaschens
>
You will notice that this post is in fact critical of the Bureau.  It
fails to recognize the the data which the Bureau has is correct (in
fact claims it is wrong) and compares it to the acts of scientific
ignorance which have tries to legislate pi to some value other than
what it is.
>However. you defended it against this valid criticism by using the
>methods of the Sophists
>
>Your reply
>
>>The Bureau is correct.  However, it only has data for a limited
>>distance into the earth's crust.  They never claimed anything about
>>the gravitational field further into the earth.  See my post about why
>>this is exactly what you expect to happen.
Sophistry?  I think not.  Do you contest that what I wrote is correct?
>You now try to claim that the thread has mutated. I am afraid it won't
>do. Wriggle all you like, you are on a hook.
Well, we started at oscillations through a hole in the earth and ended
up on details of the earth's field.  That looks like a mutation to me.
>
>When a person at an early stage of scientific development takes interest
>enough to ask a thoughtful question, He deserves to be given an accurate
>answer at the level he asked the question.
Certainly.  This was done.
> Any incorrect assertions by
>people who claim specialist knowledge of the subject must be treated as
>they deserve.
Also true.  You will note that the first response to glird's post was
mine, explaining why the data that the Bureau has collected is valid,
yet the conclusions glird reaches are not.  The explanation was
simple, easily understood and correct.  Please go back and read it.
>That statement about g increasing as you move towards the
>centre of the earth was definitive nonsense. Admit it.
No.  g does increase as you penetrate the crust.  Deeper into the
earth it decreases and approaches zero at the center.  The first order
approximation which says that it decreases constantly is just that, an
approximation.  In one sense it is a good one because the crust is a
miniscule fraction of the radius of the earth.  In another sense it is
a poor one because it is not correct in the regions we have access to.
-- 
======================================================================
Kevin Scaldeferri				University of Maryland
"The trouble is, each of them is plausible without being instinctive"
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Subject: Re: Vietmath War: coconuts, QM, and Newton
From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium)
Date: 18 Dec 1996 03:56:32 GMT
>>> In article <32B13430.41C6@newscientist.co.uk>
>>> ins@maths.warwick.ac.uk (Ian Stewart) writes:
>>>
>>>> John McKay (mckay@alcor.concordia.ca) wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Where there coconut trees in Vietnam? I once lived in Malaysia and do
>>>> not remember coconuts but a lot of different fruits.
>>> 
>>> Any fruitcakes?
>>>> 
>>>> Started Wednesday, 11Dec by buying a coconut at the local COOP
>>>> foodstore, I just had a craving for fresh coconut. And paid $1.19 and
>>>> went to the Inn to use a cleaver 
>>> 
>>> They said you were cleaver?? Please do us a favor Ian, no more Penrose tiling
>>>  articles in New Scientist, faire dinkum. We bloody have those Penrose tiles
>>>  articulating out of our bunge holes, mate. And bugger you.
>>>>
>>>> on cracking it open. Sure enough it was Hsiang's Kepler Packing Problem
>>>> see my article in New Scientist where I show Hsiang solved that problem
>>> 
>>> I tried looking into this, but my local COOP was fresh out of
>>> p-adics. Tell us Ian, how much money do you make off of your flooding 
>>> the world with your math tidbits and books? ARe you the Bill Gates of
>>> mathematics and will not stop until own New Scientist?
>> 
>> I'd love to answer this, but unfortunately I'm too shy.
>> 
>> 
>> JC
>> John H. Coates
>> @ Cavendish Laboratory, University of Cambridge, Britain
>> email: bullock@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk 
>> www:   http://www.hep.phy.cam.ac.uk/theory/ben/index.html
>
> In article  <1996Ded13.180012.12937@Princeton.EDU> 
> annals@math.princeton.edu (Andrew Wiles) writes:
>
> John please allow me to assist you.
> Of course, if you redefine "straight edge and compass construction" to
> include the rules that would produce a counter example to the theorem
> that there is no "angle trisection" construction.... well, it seems
> similar to the position of Archimedes Plutonium in sci.math who has
> redefined INTEGERS (to include p-adics, say 5-adics) to produce a counter
> example to Fermat's Last Theorem (he has been adamant about the 
> legitimacy of this redefinition and seems rather incensed that math 
> journals won't publish his ground breaking work).
  Tell us any of you above gentlemen, was Quantum Mechanics a
redefinition of Newtonian Mechanics?  Last I knew was that QM agrees
with experiments and that Newtonian does not, therefore a fake.
   But thinking more on it I also want to pose the question as to "was
there any FLT like problem in Newtonian Mechanics, before QM
trashcanned it?"  I was thinking that perhaps Action-At-A-Distance,
since QM is electromagnetism based.
   Perhaps I should ask the physicists a historical question and
hopefully one of them will answer it. Was there a FLT like problem in
Newtonian Mechanics in which none of the Newtonian physicists could
answer, and then when QM removed Newtonian Mechanics, that problem
disappeared or was easily solved by QM? Was Action-at-a-distance such a
FLT like problem?
  You see, Naturals = p-adics is not just a redefining. To say
otherwise is as stupid as saying that QM was just a redefining of
Newtonian Mechanics.
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