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Subject: Re: Vietmath War: coconuts, QM, and Newton -- From: dc@cage.rug.ac.be (Denis Constales)
Subject: Re: Is a screwdriver a lever? -- From: fc3a501@AMRISC04.math.uni-hamburg.de (Hauke Reddmann)
Subject: Re: FTL data? -- From: fc3a501@AMRISC04.math.uni-hamburg.de (Hauke Reddmann)
Subject: Re: What MEDIUM does LIGHT REQUIRE? -- From: Jim Kelly
Subject: TIME & FUTURE MEMORY -- From: kevint
Subject: Re: "Time is an illusion!"- Albert Einstein -- From: Peter Diehr
Subject: Re: "What causes inertia? -- From: savainl@pacificnet.net (Louis Savain)
Subject: Re: Need help on a simple problem.... -- From: sverkere@tcp.co.uk (Sverker Edvardsson)
Subject: Re: faster than light travel -- From: curran@remove2mail.rpi.edu (Peter F. Curran)
Subject: summer school -- From: Tim Mickelson
Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution -- From: "DaHeretic"
Subject: Re: High-energy cosmic rays 10^20 ev protons NEW SCIENTIST 7DEC96 -- From: Anthony Potts
Subject: Re: What MEDIUM does LIGHT REQUIRE? -- From: Peter Diehr
Subject: Re: Vietmath War: Wiles looney tune -- From: JC
Subject: Re: Vietmath War: war victims; blinded victims -- From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium)
Subject: Re: Vietmath War: war victims; blinded victims -- From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium)
Subject: Re: freedom of privacy & thoughts -- From: caesar@copland.udel.edu (Johnny Chien-Min Yu)
Subject: Re: Revisionist SR and GR -- From: odessey2@ix.netcom.com(Allen Meisner)
Subject: Re: Vietmath War: war victims; blinded victims -- From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium)
Subject: Re: Vietmath War: Ian Stewart, how much money does he make? -- From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium)
Subject: Vietmath War: Andre Weil, and allies -- From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium)
Subject: Re: Vietmath War: war victims; blinded victims -- From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium)
Subject: Re: A case against nuclear energy? -- From: TL ADAMS
Subject: Re: Time travel? What about Deja Vu's? -- From: Anthony Potts
Subject: Re: PROBLEM: When should a spaceship turn around ? -- From: Christopher R Volpe
Subject: Re: A case against nuclear energy? -- From: TL ADAMS
Subject: Re: Revisionist SR and GR -- From: throopw@sheol.org (Wayne Throop)
Subject: Is moving bicycle more easy to balance than static biycle? -- From: r5523118@cc.ntu.edu.tw (r85523118)
Subject: other GALAXIES -- From: raven@david.silesia.pik-net.pl (Grzegorz Kruk Ph.D.)
Subject: Re: Is moving bicycle more easy to balance than static biycle? -- From: sterner@sel.hep.upenn.edu (Kevin Sterner)
Subject: Re: faster than light travel -- From: "Nathan Boyd"
Subject: Re: Question on spectral broadening -- From: tfroese@netcom.ca(Timothy Ryan Froese)
Subject: Re: faster than light travel -- From: "Nathan Boyd"
Subject: Re: Is moving bicycle more easy to balance than static biycle? -- From: bfp@bfp.cc.purdue.edu (Bryan Putnam)
Subject: Re: Should a theory explain why? -- From: mmcirvin@world.std.com (Matt McIrvin)
Subject: free chem software list -- From: xu
Subject: Re: Induced voltage in water -- From: booth@lvld.hp.com (George Booth)
Subject: Re: Vietmath War: war victims; blinded victims -- From: Richard Mentock

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Subject: Re: Vietmath War: coconuts, QM, and Newton
From: dc@cage.rug.ac.be (Denis Constales)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 10:09:23 +0200
In article <32B8520F.2781E494@commander.eushc.org>, John Votaw
 wrote:
> I think this is a misstatement of how physics progressed.  The problem
> you mention might be better stated as a testable hypothesis: Electrons 
> move around the nucleus in orbits defined by classical physics.  A 
> consequence of this would be that electrons lose energy by radiation and
> would eventually fall into the nucleus.  This does not happen so the
> hypothesis must be wrong.  No redefinition going on here.  The idea that
> electrons circulate around a nucleus is not consistent with experimental
> data -- it is wrong.  QM is a completely new theory.  So... I don't see 
> your analogy at with 'Archimedes Plutonium's refutation of FLT by
> changing the definition of "integer" '
QM is a new theory with new definitions; the original contradiction cannot
even be stated in QM, since there are no linear orbits anymore (but
"orbitals"), etc.  This changing of definitions is similar to AP's, but the
analogy is limited, as you correctly point out, by the fact that Newtonian
and QM ultimately attempt to refer to reality and can or could be proved
false by it, which is (well, arguably) not the case for integer arithmetic,
except for the discovery of an internal contradiction, which AP has not
produced (yet, to my knowledge).
Cheers, D.C.
-- 
Dr. Denis Constales - dcons@world.std.com - http://cage.rug.ac.be/~dc/
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Subject: Re: Is a screwdriver a lever?
From: fc3a501@AMRISC04.math.uni-hamburg.de (Hauke Reddmann)
Date: 19 Dec 1996 10:47:35 GMT
Jason Mathews (jmathews@paranet.com) wrote:
:  It just looks odd, and doesn't fit a mental picture of a lever as you are
: used to thinking about. But it passes the lever test, only if you include
: the fact that the screwhead itself is the lever, not the screwdriver. The
: screwdriver is merely a means of applying force easily. You could use any
: other object, as long as you applied force to the screwhead perpendicular
: to the indentation.
: 
Maybe it's even easier to see if you replace the screwdriver:
   o
   |
   |
   |
   |
   T
T is the screw, o the knob of the screwdriver.
Try this ACME gadget (dunno english name):
-----
  |
  |
  T
Now you can apply an even bigger torque if you turn 
the horizontal bar. Of course the slit of a common
screw can only sustain a fixed torque. If this is
smaller than the torque you need to overcome the
friction in the windings - you're screwed :-)
-- 
Hauke Reddmann <:-EX8 
fc3a501@math.uni-hamburg.de              PRIVATE EMAIL 
fc3a501@rzaixsrv1.rrz.uni-hamburg.de     BACKUP 
reddmann@chemie.uni-hamburg.de           SCIENCE ONLY
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Subject: Re: FTL data?
From: fc3a501@AMRISC04.math.uni-hamburg.de (Hauke Reddmann)
Date: 19 Dec 1996 10:54:43 GMT
a) This problem is well known
b) A flashlight instead of a pulsar suffices
c) Don't forget that the light itself must
travel the distance to the observer until
he knows that the source has changed
d) Relativity only prohibits INFORMATION
to travel over c. You can come up with a
lot of things traveling over c - I assume
it's in the FAQ.
-- 
Hauke Reddmann <:-EX8 
fc3a501@math.uni-hamburg.de              PRIVATE EMAIL 
fc3a501@rzaixsrv1.rrz.uni-hamburg.de     BACKUP 
reddmann@chemie.uni-hamburg.de           SCIENCE ONLY
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Subject: Re: What MEDIUM does LIGHT REQUIRE?
From: Jim Kelly
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 06:40:28 -0600
H. S. Kalsi wrote:
> 
> (Sorry if this is a repost, but first and second times didn't work I think.)
> 
> Greetings Everyone,
> 
> Something I've been wondering about for ages:
> 
> What MEDIUM does Light REQUIRE to travel?
> 
> (ie. sound requires air or other solid matter to transmit waves, etc. but
> how about light?).  Light does travel through a vacuum, but does that mean
> there really is _nothing_ there and that light doesn't need a medium or something
> else?  Hopefully my question has been clear.
> 
> Looking forward to any and all responses.  Thank You!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> H. S. Kalsi
> hsk@microplex.com
     I'm not sure this is one that has an answer yet. Not one to sit
still
and wait, I've come up with some guesses, as I'm sure many have as well.
:-)
Light must travel through matter. Assuming gravity is some kind of
extension
of matter, this is what light travels through. Light acts similar in
some ways
in space as it does in a refracting lens. I've got a couple pictures of
this on
my brief, very brief, page about gravity. See if I can remember where I
put it...
Ah! Here it is:
http://www.ECNet.Net/users/mujpk5/page1.htm
-Jim
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Subject: TIME & FUTURE MEMORY
From: kevint
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 12:02:06 -0500
I am in the process of setting up a web site based around the new book
called "TIME & FUTURE MEMORY". This book sets out a revolutionary new
theory of time. 
I am planning on having extracts of the book and information about the
author, we are contracted directly be the author to set this site up and
there will be an on-line order facility for this book.
I am trying to gauge the level of interest that there may be about this
site. 
Could you please e-mail me with your comments and tell us if you would
like to be informed when the site is up and running.
Thanks
Kevin.
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Subject: Re: "Time is an illusion!"- Albert Einstein
From: Peter Diehr
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 07:09:59 -0500
Jim Kelly wrote:
> 
>        Time is not a thing, it is a way of organizing change. It  is
> a measurement, a local measurement of change. Maybe if different
> terminology were used. Instead of, "As the object approaches c, time
> slows down..",
This is incorrectly stated. You want to say: as the object approaches
c wrt the inertial observer (that's you!), the observer will see the
clocks (and all time-like processes) of the object slowing down.
But for the people riding on the object, no such slowing down occurs.
Instead, they will see _you_ moving by, at a speed close to c, and
they will note that your clocks are all slowing down.
You both see the same effects.  So your following statement really
doesn't follow at all:
> ... the following could be said:
>      "As the object approaches c, all energy, at all levels within
> the object-DECREASE."
>
In fact, the total energy of the object wrt your location increases as
the relative speeds increase.  The formula is E = gamma*m*c^2, where
gamma = 1/sqrt[ 1 - (v/c)^2 ].
Best Regards, Peter
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Subject: Re: "What causes inertia?
From: savainl@pacificnet.net (Louis Savain)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 11:49:24 GMT
In article <32B65CD3.6931@west.net>, David Phillips
 wrote:
>In a Phys Rev paper a couple of years ago, Hal Puthoff and friends
>described an electromagnetic interaction that might explain inertia.
> Their calculation assumed that matter was made of small charges
>("partons") that are exposed to a vacuum filled with quantum ground
>state electromagnetic engergy.  The exchange of radiation that
>results from the partons being randomly driven by the vacuum fields
>results in an energy term that acts like inertia.  By choosing the
>size of the partons, the scale can be set to match observation.  This
>is an implementation of Mach's principle - that inertia is due to the
>distant matter in the universe.
  Mach's principle sounds like a nonlocal theory (action at a
distance) within another theory where no such thing as nonlocality is
supposed to exist.  At any rate, I don't see how a local
electromagnetic interaction involving partons (an interesting idea
even if it sounds half baked) figures into the action of distant
matter.  Can you explain that to me?  I must say that Mach's principle
does not seem very plausible to me.
>Twenty years ago the Russian physicist Sakharov used the same methods
>to obtain an attractive force similar to gravity.
>
>So far these calculations are pretty crude - no detailed model of the
>matter - but they suggest that electromagnetism, inertia, and gravity
>may be closely related.
  Well, as I tried to explain in my previous post, I don't think
inertia per se is the problem since it obeys the law of cause and
effect as it relates to particle interactions.  The problem has to do
with finding a cause for non-accelerated motion and I don't think the
matter of the rest of the universe has anything to do with the
inertial motion of a particle.  I do think a local interaction is
responsible however, possibly involving electromagnetism, as you
suggested.  Gravity could be just a by-product of electromagnetism.
Best regards,
Louis Savain
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Subject: Re: Need help on a simple problem....
From: sverkere@tcp.co.uk (Sverker Edvardsson)
Date: 19 Dec 1996 11:54:55 GMT
Kris (bernardic.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: Hello, I was wondering if someone could answer me this question:
: If a person is descending 3,000 vertical feet on a slope of 50 degrees in 35 
: seconds-what is his/her average speed in mph?
: 	I come up with an answer of 91,065 mph...can someone confirm this?
: Also, what would the metric conversion be?
: Any help would be much appreciated....thanks in advance.
: Kris
: (bernardic.1@osu.edu)
: PS: please email me the answer, I do not check the newsgroup much.
Answer: 76.29 mph or 34.1 m/s
Sverker 
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Subject: Re: faster than light travel
From: curran@remove2mail.rpi.edu (Peter F. Curran)
Date: 18 Dec 1996 16:47:42 GMT
In article ,
	merk077@servtech.com (Gregoire) writes:
>In article <591ns9$c4@usenet.rpi.edu>, curran@remove_this.rpi.edu (Peter
>F. Curran) wrote:
>
>-> You say clocks are "controlled 
>-> motion", and my response would be to say, "controlled with 
>-> respect to what?"
>-> 
>-> The answer is of course, time.  :)
>
>I don't know about that.  It's the the relativity of motion or even
>the self-referentiality of language itself.  We *seem* to be referring
>to an objective entity which we have called "time".  But it may very
>well be we have seemingly controlled a particular kind of motion 
>with respect to other kinds of motion: relativity. Their sequentiality
>seems regular (and therefore my subjective experience often wrong); but
>it may well be that controlled motion with reference to other
>controlled motion is just endless layers of controlled motion referring
>to themselves. Our perceptions and activity provided the control: Time 
>is the name we give to this perceived regularity--but objectively it
>may be entirely a fictional entity.
>
>-- 
>Greg Nixon 
Ah, but since it appears consistent to all observers, this 
perceived regularity is very likely a real property of the
universe.  That is the simplest explaination of the observed
facts.
  - Pete
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Subject: summer school
From: Tim Mickelson
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 13:05:06 +0100
Hi =
  I=B4m want to study physics abroad this summer and was wondering if
anyone knows a school or institute who has summer courses. I have
applied to CERN but they - for some stupid reason - have an age limit of
27. I=B4m 29 going on 30. I have studied 3 years of physics and two of
math. I would prefer to study at an institute in Italy or at least in
Euorupe but I could also study in USA
  Tim Mickelson
fys95ntm@lustudat.student.lu.se
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Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution
From: "DaHeretic"
Date: 19 Dec 1996 12:03:57 GMT
Trish  wrote in article <32B8C2AA.77E7@gte.net>...
> Paul M. Zeller wrote:
> > 
> > On Wed, 18 Dec 1996 05:59:53 GMT, "Tracy Bell" 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > >Picardy  wrote in article
> > ><32b4c526.12600630@192.168.0.1>...
> > >>
Trish said>
> 
> Hahahaha ... that was good!  Very good!  At least we humans still have a
> good imagination and a sense of humor!  Oh .. and don't forget that
> apparition of the Virgin Mary just this past week in Clearwater Florida.
> Thousands of people flocked to see the image of the Virgin, reflecting
> from the tinted glass pannels of an office building, several stories
> high.  Prayer meetings were held .. candles lit .. hymns sung.  People
> were crying, bringing their ailing loved ones .. just for a glimpse and
> a possible blessing.  I know firsthand .. as I work just several blocks
> down the street.
> 
> Unfortunately, the truth came out .. and in reality, the flocks were
> congregating around the oily residue of a Christmas mural that had been
> painted there years before.
> 
> It was really kind of sad.  To think that so many people out there will
> jump at the promise of a dying relgion's rebirth.  That they would
> accept, without question.  The truth must have hurt.
> 
> Ah well ..
> 
This was turned into an episode on the John Larroquette show, too.  The
face of Jesus was seen on a wall in the bus station.  Someone finally
discovers it is actually a very dusty poster of a Willie Nelson concert.
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Subject: Re: High-energy cosmic rays 10^20 ev protons NEW SCIENTIST 7DEC96
From: Anthony Potts
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 12:17:26 GMT
On 18 Dec 1996, Tad R. Thurston wrote:
> Imagine a subatomic particle that has an energy that can be
> measured in *Joules*.  Loosely speaking, one that has the 
> energy to lift a small dog onto a table.  Wow. 
> 
> Tad
> 
And I believe that the high energy particles we have seen recently have
the same kinetic energy as a serve by Sampras.
Anthony Potts
CERN, Geneva
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Subject: Re: What MEDIUM does LIGHT REQUIRE?
From: Peter Diehr
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 07:20:22 -0500
H. S. Kalsi wrote:
> 
> (Sorry if this is a repost, but first and second times didn't work I think.)
> 
> Greetings Everyone,
> 
> Something I've been wondering about for ages:
> 
> What MEDIUM does Light REQUIRE to travel?
> 
> (ie. sound requires air or other solid matter to transmit waves, etc. but
> how about light?).  Light does travel through a vacuum, but does that mean
> there really is _nothing_ there and that light doesn't need a medium or something
> else?  Hopefully my question has been clear.
> 
> Looking forward to any and all responses.  Thank You!
> 
The transmission of electromagnetic radiation requires no medium.
Best Regards, Peter
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Subject: Re: Vietmath War: Wiles looney tune
From: JC
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 13:19:30 +0000
Hauke Reddmann wrote:
> 
> Wiles looney tune?
> Does that mean we will see Wiles E. Coyote vs.
> Plutonium Roadrunner? (shouting "P-adic!P-adic!"
> instead of "MEEP MEEP")
Or how about AP running hell for leather through
sci.math. He suddenly stops, looks down, sees that
there is a gaping chasm of contentlessness beneath
his postings, gives a brief worried look to camera
and then plummets to form an AP shaped hole in the
desert sands below?
JC
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Subject: Re: Vietmath War: war victims; blinded victims
From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium)
Date: 19 Dec 1996 04:08:43 GMT
In article <598ml5$am5@svin12.win.tue.nl>
Andre Engels  writes:
> No, it's not. You may say ....5555 is an integer (I won't stop you), but
> then your concept of integer is not the one that FLT is talking about.
 Define "finite" for finite integers. Math is the science of precision.
If you cannot define finite without a componentry of infinity. Then
finite integer does not exist.
 Who cares about the properties of ether when ether does not exist. 
 Who cares about the behavior of the Higgs boson when the Higgs does
not exist.
 Who cares about FLT and whether finite integers have a solution, when
Finite Integers do not exist.
  You guys are poor at mathematical reasoning, but poorer still at
understanding what I write. I think this is because you do not know
math well enough to see the full issues here. But, it is to your credit
that you are stupid enough to attack anyone who says something that is
not printed in one of your textbooks. Congratulations.
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Subject: Re: Vietmath War: war victims; blinded victims
From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium)
Date: 19 Dec 1996 04:27:12 GMT
In article <32B7F02F.E3C@mindspring.com>
Richard Mentock  writes:
> Can you solve FLT *with* p-adics?  Well, someone else did it long ago.
  Just a little knowledge of what is going on is dangerous. Best to
keep quiet and out of the discussion.
  Many solved FLT with p-adics before I came along. But it never
entered the mind of anyone before me that the Naturals = Finite
Integers was a gray slab of incoherent imprecise junk. And that the
axioms themselves were a contradictory set. Mathematics, the subject
does not care whether it is easy or hard for humans to grasp the true
concepts. Just as in physics, the physical world cares less whether
Newtonian physics is easier for humans to understand than is QM. What
matters is that QM is the *more precise* laws of physics.
  And my thesis is that the Naturals are not those foggy imprecise
*finite integers* but are in fact the p-adics.
  Mentock, you do not grasp the tiniest of what I am saying. To you
there exists two sets of integer numbers , the finite integers and the
p-adics and to you both of them have valid existence.
  To me, there exists only set of integers and those are the p-adics.
The finite integers are stupid crude first approximation to the
p-adics.
  When Newtonian physics started to unravel, it was entirely thrown out
and Quantum physics replaced it. *Finite Integers* is just as crude, as
imprecise, as crippled in describing the world of mathematical integers
as Newtonian physics was in describing the physics world.
   Define "finite", there Mentock and let us see how low you can stoop
in stupidity.
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Subject: Re: freedom of privacy & thoughts
From: caesar@copland.udel.edu (Johnny Chien-Min Yu)
Date: 19 Dec 1996 07:30:16 -0500
        The Warning Letter To The Mind Control Operators
Recently, I have revealed many more mind control operators' evil 
secrets including their curent crimes: to manipulate people's 
healths and lives in order to eliminate their opponents, enemies and
those people whom the operators dislike.  So, they can easily eliminate
any dissident or awared people (who know the existence of the mind
control surveillance system & invisible wave weapon) without attracting
the attention of the society. 
Why are the most of victims never aware of being injured or
their lives being manipulated by the mind control group?!
Why are the most of victims never awared of being injured or
being manipulated their lives by the mind control operators, while
people are staying at home?!
There are some reasons below:
First reason: 
Most people are not aware of the mind control surveillance system 
in this society.
The mind control surveillance system is too secret to be known by
most of average citizns.  Therefore, most of people will
not suspect that the authorities can spy them in their private home. 
So these kinds of people will not suspect that anyone can injure them
at home. 
Second reason:
Even some people know that authority has the surveillancec system 
to spy people at home.  However, most of them cannot imaginate that
the state of the art surveillance system can watch people's
activities at home as clearly as the movies on TV no matter day or
night (no matter the lights of people home turn on or not).
Third reason:
Most of people have no knowledge about the state of art invisible wave
weapon (so called nonlethal weapon).
Furthermore, most of people do not know that the operators can use 
the advanced Tesla technology to remotely transfer the energy
(electromagnetic wave) to power the emitters of invisible wave
weapon to attack people from everythere.
Fourth reason:
Most of people do not know that the invisible wave weapon can be used 
in conjuction with the state of art surveillance system to accurately
attack victim's body on any acupunture point.  
Comparing with the below information, we know that using the 
invisible wave weapon (so called nonlethal weapon) to attack
victims without victims' knowing is a fact.
That's because such kind of fact has been admited by our government.
This information is a report on nonlethal technologies, issued by 
the Council on Foreign Relations.
(attachment)---See page 180 on _ANGELS DON'T PLAY THE HAARP_1995 
by Jeane Manning & Dr. Nick Begich)
----------------------------------------------
This report points out that , "The Nairobiv Convention, to which
the United States is a signastory, prohiibits the broadcast of
electronic signals into a sovereign state without its consent in
peace time.
This report opens discussion of use of these weapons against 
"terrorists" and "drug traffickers".  The CFR report recommends 
that this be done secretly so that the victims do not know where 
the attack is from, or if there even is an attack!  There is a 
problem with this approach. The use of these weapons, even against
these kinds of individuals, may be in violation of United States
law in that it presume guilt rather than innocence.  In other words,  
the POLICE, CIA, DEA, OR OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT ORGANIZATION become
THE JUDGE, JURY  AND EXCECUTIONER. 
-------------------------------------------------
The above information also proves that the invisible wave weapon 
are specially designed for the law enforcement to against the
terorists and durgtrafficekers by government.
It further proves that the invisible wave weapon users are also the 
law enforcement officers.
However, since these career officers (or operators) can use this kind
of invisible wave weapon to attack criminals legally, they also have
chanced to use these kinds of weapon to manipulate people's lives
illegally.
I would remind you the cases which was reported in "Microwave 
Harassment & Mind Control Experimentation" by Jullianne McKinney to
prove what I say is true. 
(attachment)
 ================================================
One dividual (driven to extremes of stress by ongoing electronic 
harassment focusing on her children) killed one child in an effort 
to protect her from further pain.
Another individual, during a telephone conversation, was told by an 
employee of a local power company that , if she value the lives of 
her children, she would  drop the her opposition to the company's
installation of high power lines.  Since receiving that threat, the
individual 11-year-old daughter has been reduced to extrrement of
illness which cannot be diagnosed.  It's now also apparent to this
invidual that her three-year-old son is on the receiving end of
externally induced auditory input.
==================================================
I would like to emphasize some important point for those readers 
who think that the above examples are unusual cases and other
people would not be subjected to similar harassment.
The two families in this example are average law abiding citizens 
and living in their own home.  Even under such kind circumstances,
these members of these two families cannot avoid of being spied on.
So, the children of these two families cannot avoid being attacked
and harm by remotely controlled invisible wave weapons (even in the
security of their own home or staying at hospitals). 
It proves the invisible wave weapon has been used in conjuction with 
the surveilliance system.  Also, both systems can track or attack any 
of the member of these two families with incredible accuracy.  From
these cases, we know that anyone of us can be also injured or examined
in our own home or any public building (including cars -- I would
emphsize it).
Fifth reason:
While the operators are using the invisible weapons to manipulate
people's live on low settings, the victims might only feel as if he or
she is stung by a bee or itch after being attacked.
To avoid the victims from becoming suspcious and awared of being 
injured, the operators usually use chronal gun (bullets) which can
quickly penetrate victims' bodies and cause injury.  It can be
used to target acupuncture points, any vital organ such as the heart,
liver, kidney, etc.) without generating obvious pain on the victims.
That's why the operators alway try to manipulate people's lives at
night after their targets (the people) have fallen asleep.
At the same time, as the victims are being injured, the operators 
will also use the mind control surveillance system to read the
victims' minds.
Therefore, the operators can check if the victims have been awakened 
or is awared of being injured.  In addition, it is also used to
monitor if the operators were successful at injuring the people (to
induce the an illness).
Now, I would like to further clearify my words that human mind can be 
read by mind control operators.
Reading people's mind has been achieved for a long time.
That's because I have handled the Taiwan' military classified 
documrent which had pointed that Taiwan purchased the mind machine
from US (it was called the psychological language machine in Taiwan.
It means the machine can read people's mind) in 1984.
The _RADIO FREQUENCY DOSIMETRY HANDBOOK_ published by U.S. Air 
Force in 1986 has proven that reading human mind is not the
problem and they just want to increase the speed of mind reading
in order to know a target's reaction while this target is being
input with subliminal message (see detail on page 189, _ANGELS
DON'T PLAY THIS HAARP_ by Jeane Manning & Dr. Nick Begich).
If the local mind control central stations (in city or county)
operate at same time, the operators indeed can track any target 
24 hours a day.  Most of time, they can read the target's thoughts
no matter the target is at home or driving a car (I emphasize that
the operators can read driver's mind in car, boat, or even plane
because the orginal national survreilliance system program of 1971 
was supposed to "wire" the house, car, boat, etc ).   However, while
the target is moving very fast on foot in the shopping canter or
shpopping mall, the operators cannot read target's thoughts.
Furthermore,In January 1991 the University of Arizona, the civilian
scientist, Dr. Stuart Hameroff, also point out that" the seat of
consciousness may be located in "computer-like cytoskeletal
polymers within living cells. " Phrased more simply; an individual's
consciousness may be located whin microscopic structures appear to
communicate via "coherent nanosecond excitations", that is, some form
of ultra-short wavelengh energy coupling. Hameroff goes to say,
"An idea expresssed relevant to life "beyond 2000", was that the brain
cytoskeletal proteins could be prepared in an artificial enviorment 
which may be capable of vcontaining congnitive function."
"An individual may be able to transfer his own consciousness to an
artificial enviorment when their body approached expiration."
( "MIND CONTROL TECHNIQUES AND TACTICS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER" by 
Glenn Krawczyk-- see NEXUS new times on January 93 on page 26-27 )
The above words tell us that civilian scientist also prove human 
thoughts (consciousness) can be used the technique to remove or
store in an artificial enviiormnent ( and can transfer to another body).
The classified research of mind control in CIA has been over 30 years.
We believe that the CIA should have achieved the goal which using VLF
(VERY LOW FREQUENCY)  to creat the artificial enviorment (such as focus 
a small VLF field on target or even creat a big artificial enviorment 
for people) to remove (detect) people's thoughts and read any target's
mind for a long time.
So it means that the operators have two way to read people's mind.
The original one is to collect the target's brain waves and send into 
the CPU (computer).  The computer wil then translate these collected 
brain waves into words according to the human brain wave pattern 
program.
The advanced one is to creat the artificial enviorment to remove
( or store) the target's thoughts to enviormants, then use the
power beming system patent remotely send this "removed thoughts"
as the energy into an operator's brain to directly read people's 
thoughts.
Therefore, by using the brain surveillance system, the operators 
can manipulate people's lives, health with the invisible wave
weapon and avoid their crimes (of manipulating people's lives 
and slowly eliminating their enemies) from being discovered.
To avoid the victims from becoming suspcious and awared of being 
injured, the operators usually use chronal gun (bullets) which can
quickly penetrate victims' bodies and cause injury.  It can be used to
target acupuncture points, any vital organ such as the heart, liver,
kidney, etc.) without generating obvious pain on the victims.  That's
why the operators alway try to manipulate people's lives at night after
their targets (the people) have fallen asleep.
At the same time, as the victims are being injured, the operators will
also use the mind control surveillance system to read the victims' minds.
Therefore, the operators can check if the victims have been awakened or is
awared of being injured.  In addition, it is also used to monitor if the
operators were successful at injuring the people (to induce the an
illness).
Therefore, the operators can manipulate people's lives, health with
the invisible wave weapon and avoid their crimes (of manipulating
people's lives and slowly eliminating their enemies) from being
discovered.
In the mind control surveillance system, the ability to manipulate
people's lives without victims' knowledge is the most important
qualification for being a career (or undercover) mind control 
operator.
That's because the operators must be to handle all the people 
whom are being kept under their close surveillance and control and 
without making them suspicious.
With this ability to manipulate people's lives, the operators can 
achieve their ultimate goal of keeping people's behaviors well under
their control and elminate those whom the operators dislike or cannot
control.
That's why only a few people dare to oppose the mind control
operators in curent society because most of opponents have been 
eliminated (by inducing illness or hear attack") or surpressed by the
operators with the invisible wave weapon in last two decades.
Thus, eventually, the only people who are still alive are those 
people who are not aware of this mind control surveillance system or 
the loyal subjects of the mind control operators.  However, the most evil 
in this mind control surveillance system is that the operators judge
everything with their own will but not according to the law. 
So, some criminals might allow to live normally because the operators 
can control them well, and some law abiding citizens might not
allow to live normally becasuse they against the interests of mind 
control opertors (or some law abiding citizens are being injured
because the operators dislike them).
Since US learned the mind control technology from Russia, the 
philosophy of the mind control operators has also inherit the
philosophy of Communism (Materialism & Atheism).
Therefore, these operators are carrying out the social revolution on
the U.S. society with the Communism ideology (Materialism & Atheism). 
They don't believe that our Constitutoion, Law, religion or moral 
values can regulate people's behaviors.  In addition, they are
completely atheist and do not believe in anything other than the powers
that they hold in their hands.   However, they do believe that they can
use the mind control technology to change people's behaviors.
They are controlling people's live with the invisible wave weapon 
because they share a same belief in the evil philosophy of
Communism (Stalin and Mao)--The regime's power come frome the nozzle
of the gun. 
Absolutely power corrupts absolutely, since the career officers
(operators) can manipulate people's lives, these career officers
(operators) have become the real controllers of people instead of
the position of public servants.  
After they can manipulate people's lives (and health) without people's
knowledge (so the opertors commit crimes without being held by law),
the operators believe that "they are equal to God" because they can also
change people's fate with the invisible wave weapon..
Since these career officers (operators) hold so unbelieveble power
they have tasted and enjoyed these privileges (which is to spy on 
everyone and manipulate people's lives).  To protect their
privileges, the operators will get rid of anyone who is aware of their
secrets.  
The most evil is that these law enforcement officers (or operaytors)
will be the judge, jury, and executioner at same time while they use 
the invisible wave weapon to manipulate people's lives.
Therefore, these career officers have become the most poweerful persons 
and their real powers are bigger than any elected offices.
The career officers (and agents) in security system have become the 
only 'elite group" to control our society.  Their powers have supassed
the elected officers becauuse the elected oficers can only stay at
their positions in limited time (term).
However these career officers (and undercover agents) will maintain
their positions in the government and the positions of mind
control operator (who can manipulate people's lives) until retirement.
Therefore, if any elected officer try to limite these career officers'
(operators') power, these career officers (operators) will take
the revenge on this elected officer after the elected officer leave his
position. 
And that's why even our President or Congress members cannot regulate
these career officers (operators).
While these mind control group pursue their interests, they will
disregard the interests of our country and people.
Recently, I have written the article of "How could operators use the 
invisible wave weapon to manipulate people's lives?" and "The problem 
of Olmypic Central Park Explosion & The victims' Suspicous Toward the
Okolahoma City Bombing" to expose such kind of conspiracy which might be
caused by the mind control operators.
By informing the people of such kinds of facts, I have frequently 
angered the mind control operators, and they are eagerly trying to get 
rid of me.
This time, they secretly use the chronal gun and infrasound
weapons attack my brain and try to damdge my brain.
Although they didn't succeed, it has proven that they are trying to
kill anyone who know of their secrets and expose their corruption.
They will use such kind of violence to suppress any of their
opponents or anyone whom they dislike.  Some career operators openly use
the governmental officer's title to threaten me on internet and mislead
people in order to pursue their own interests.  
This time although they use the more polite title ""a friend" to notice
me, hoewever, it is still a threatened letter.
That's because I was attacked at night (12/18/96) with the invisible wave
weapon (chronal gun and infrasound) by the operators after I openly refuse
to stopping my post on Internet.
I would show readers this letter below.
(attachment)
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From user@jejpu.com Wed Dec 18 15:56:00 EST 1996
Article: 180921 of alt.conspiracy
From: user@jejpu.com
Subject: Re: freedom of privacy & thoughts
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 13:10:47 GMT
Organization: Softdisk Publishing
X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230
caesar@copland.udel.edu (Yu) WROTE:
>>Why Is Mind Control Also the Lives Control?
>>(Part Nine)
>>"Why Has The mind control syatem Been Used As the Invisible 
>>Martial Law?"

>I SEE THAT YOU ARE STILL POSTING, MR. ALAN YU.  I THINK THAT IT WOULD
>BE A GOOD IDEA IF YOU STOPPED POSTING NOW.  IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO STOP
>POSTING.  A VERY GOOD IDEA.  STOP POSTING NOW.  NEVER POST AGAIN.  IT
>IS A GOOD IDEA TO NEVER POST AGAIN.  
Dear Readers, 
I believe that this is a threat from a mind control operator or
cooperator.
>I AM SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND.
I only know that the Taiwan's operators are cooperating with the 
local mind controil operators of US and have secrely attacked me with 
the invisible wave weapon (chronal gun or infrasound) many times.
That's because I have exposed the most secrets of mind control
technologies.
Therefore, these operstors are trying to force me to stop my posting.
However, I believe that I know the most secrets of mind control technology
and the evil actions, philosophy of these operators.
These operators cannot debate with me on internet because their theory are
poor, also they cannot cheat me.
>NEVER POST AGAIN.  YES, THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.  YOU WILL NEVER POST
>AGAIN.  NEVER AGAIN.  YOU WILL RETIRE TO YOUR HOME AND LIVE A HAPPY
>QUIET LIFE AND MAKE NO MORE TROUBLE.  
If it is a threat, then I believe that the mind control operatotrs 
try to use the invisible wave weapo˷Vrf&n to injure my brain in order
to force me keeping quite to their secrets.t"U׶
>YOU WILL MAKE NO MORE TROUBLE.
>YOU WILL CEASE POSTING AND RETIRE TO YOUR HOME AND ALL WILL BE GRAND.
>THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, MR ALAN YU.
I will keep posting my articles unless these operators stop their crime.
Especially, if the operators try to use their invisible wave weapon to
force me to stop my posting the truth (facts), I rather fight with them 
(or die in the battle field).
>A FRIEND
I don' t have any friend who try to threaten me.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Alan Yu
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
==================================================
If the mind control group succeed they will destroy the free and
democratic society that so many Americans have fought so hard to build.
This is because the philsophies and behaviors of these operators are
totally opposite with the founding principles of the United States 
and the current constitution.
To avoid these groups from secretly destroy the founding principle of
United States and the freed and democratic system or even betray our
Constitution, We must request every governmental officer and especially
the law enforcement officers to follow the Constitution and Law while they
are carrying out their duties.
Since people's lives are not in their's own hands but in the 
operators' hands, our freedom, democracy, wealth and political
power are only the illusion.
Our President and Congress members must stop these career oifficers
(operators) use the invisible wave weapon on our law abiding citizens.
In God's name, I tell the facts & truth with my best knowledge.
I will be responsible for my words to God because it is true.
                                Signed,
                                 Alan Yu    12/19/96
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Subject: Re: Revisionist SR and GR
From: odessey2@ix.netcom.com(Allen Meisner)
Date: 19 Dec 1996 13:02:05 GMT
In <59af7l$ipd@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> odessey2@ix.netcom.com(Allen
Meisner) writes: 
>
>In <597n67$181@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>
odessey2@ix.netcom.com(Allen
>Meisner) writes: 
>>
>>    Please bear with me in this article because I am not a
>>mathematician. Could Einstien's thought experiments be reevaluated in
>>light of a theory which suggests that light is bent by velocity? What
>I
>>mean is this: It seems that the basic equation for both SR and GR is:
>>x^2+y^2+z^2=ct^2. Could another parameter be substituted for the ct^2
>>term? For example, if you substitute a length contraction parameter
>for
>>the ct^2 time dilation parameter, would the equation still be
>>consistent with observations?
>>
>>Edward Meisner
>    
>    The reason I am writing this is because Einstein's equations are
>fundamenatally at odds with the inertial theory. In Mr. Hinson's
>thought experiment, he says that if you are traveling in a spaceship
at
>5c and shine a light straight up, the observer in the spacehip will
>see the light go straight up, and the stationary observer will see the
>light go diagonally forward. If I am correct and light does not have
>inertia, then the observer in the ship will see the light go
diagonally
>back and the stationary observer will see the light go straight up.
>Therefore one can define inertia as a bending of space. Mr Hillman, in
>another posting, states that the contours of inertia describe a
>Lobachevsky geometry. However, you can't use Einstein's formula
because
>it is based on the faulty model of Mr. Hinson. According to that
model,
>the light travels a longer distance for the stationary observer, than
>for the observer in the spaceship and therefore time slowed for the
>observer in the ship. In the inertial theory, exactly the opposite is
>the case. Therefore time dilation can not be the cause of the inertial
>geometry. However, the equations are nevertheless correct. The only
way
>to resolve this dillema is by positing another explanation for the
>Lobachevsky geometry. It seems that the only way to do this is by
>assuming length contraction and absolute time. However. I am not sure
>about this. Would there be any other explanation?
>
>Edward Meisner
>
>   If length contraction and expansion and absolute time are assumed
then the ct^2 time dilation parameter becomes a length dilation
parameter. The speed of light will therefore vary relative to observers
moving at different speeds. This is in agreement with what the theory
predicts. For example, absolute velocity can now be determined. In the
example above, the absolute velocity is .5c. Say the spaceship is 1
lightsecond long and the observer is in the middle of the ship. He
shines a light in the direction that the ship is traveling. The length
dilation formula is exactly the same as Einstein's formula for time
dilation-sqrt(1-v^2/c^2). Substituting .5c for v, we get a length
contraction of .5. The speed of light in the term ct^2 then becomes
5c, which is the speed of the light relative to the observer in the
ship, as the theory predicts. To the observer at absolute rest the
speed of light is still c, since substituting 0 for v in the length
dilation formula gives 1. However time is now absolute and the same for
all observers. In order to determine the time it takes for the light to
hit the front of the ship, we use the train method. The absolute speed
of the ship is .5c. The distance from the middle of the ship to the
front end is .5 lightseconds. Setting the speed of light to 1, the time
that it takes for the light to hit the front of the ship for the
stationary observer is:
                        ct= .5t+.5
                        t=.5t+.5
                        .5t=.5
                        t=1 second
    The distance for the stationary observer is therefore c x t= 1
light second. The observer in the spaceship sees the light travel only
the distance from the middle of the ship to the front end. However,
from the length dilation formula, he calculates .5c for the velcoity of
light relative to himself. The time it takes for the light to hit the
front of the ship for this observer is therefore just
                        .5t=.5
                        t=1
    The distance for this observer is therefore .5 light seconds.
Therefore we see that for the stationary observer the length has
doubled. However, for the observer in the spaceship the length has
remained the same. Therefore although the isotropy of space has been
sacrificed, the isotropy of time has been saved, since the time that
the light took to travel the different distances is the same.
    Now let's do the calculation for the situation in which the light
is shined in the opposite direction. For the stationary observer, the
lenght dilation is zero and the speed of light is c. The time it takes
for the light to hit the back of the ship is therefore:
                        ct+.5t=.5
                        1.5t=.5
                        t=1/3 seconds
    The observer in the ship calculates the length dilation,
substituting 1.5c for v in sqrt(1-v^2/c^2). The distance is dilated by
a factor of 1.5 and therefore the velocity of light is 1.5c relative to
himself. He only sees the light travel the distance from the middle of
the ship to the back end. The time it takes for the light to hit the
back of the ship is therefore :
                        1.5ct=.5
                        1.5t=.5
                        t=1/3 seconds
    The stationary observer sees the light travel a distance 1/3 x c=
1/3 light seconds. The observer in the ship sees sees the light travel
a distance 1.5c x 1/3 = .5 light seconds. So for the observer in the
ship everything is normal, just as in special relativity. However, the
stationary observer sees the length of the forward part of the ship as
expanded and the rearward part of the ship as contracted. The magnitude
and proportions of this distortion depends on the velocity of the ship.
Once again the isotropy of space is sacrificed but the isotropy of time
is saved, since it took the light the same time to travel the different
distances.
    As we have shown, the ct^2 term in general relativity is therefore
a length dilation parameter, instead of a time dilation parameter.
However, the equations are exactly the same, so although these
different interpretations predict different things, the crucial
predictions of the spatial geometries are the same. More correctly,
this theory predicts a space geometry alone, while Einstein's theory
predicts a spacetime geometry.
Edward Meisner                
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Subject: Re: Vietmath War: war victims; blinded victims
From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium)
Date: 19 Dec 1996 04:52:24 GMT
In article <32B85524.41C67EA6@clipper.ens.fr>
David Madore  writes:
> Unfortunately, AP firmly believes that Peano's axioms somehow "imply"
> the
> existence of p-adics (well, actually, I think he believes that Peano's
> axioms are contradictory, or at any rate fighting each other (whatever
> that
> can mean)), so he won't get your point at all. He thinks he solved the
> original problem. He actually believes that his "Naturals = p-adics"
> equation is a physical fact rather than a redefinition of the naturals!
  The Successor axiom of Peano , as it stands by itself is none other
than the very definition of a p-adic. Both are Series additions. In
fact, you can replace the Successor (endless adding of ...0001) axiom
with p-adics in the Peano axiom system. When you do this replacement
you are left with some other axioms of which two of them contridict the
p-adic series. The Mathematical Induction axiom contradicts the
Successor axiom and the no predecessor to 0 axiom contradicts the
Successor axiom.
  So the above is a picture of the contradictory set of Peano Axioms.
Noone ever before was able to say these things about the Peano axioms
and their shortcomings. Why was this? Well, obviously it was because
noone before 1993 ever asked is the concept of a *finite number* make
any sense. And the more important reason was that noone before 1993 had
any other set to compare the Naturals with.
  Before 1993, everyone who learned or studied the Naturals = Finite
Integers had one and only one set to analyze and think about the
Naturals. Of course that set is the counting numbers of 0,1,2, and on
and on.  But in 1993 we now have two sets to compete for the title of
** true set of Naturals ** .  We have the p-adics or Infinite Integers.
 When the world has only Newtonian physics then we naturally will stick
with it no matter what its shortcomings, but when another physics
enters the show such as Quantum physics, we have another standard to
judge between the two. 
  Same with mathematics in 1993. There arose two fighters for the title
of true Naturals. The old Finite Integers are as imprecise of
mathematical truth as what the Newtonian physics was imprecise of
physics truth.
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Subject: Re: Vietmath War: Ian Stewart, how much money does he make?
From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium)
Date: 19 Dec 1996 05:20:27 GMT
In article <5990ct$777@sleepy.inch.com>
jmcgowan@metric.inch.com (John McGowan) writes:
> Well.. they do for Ian Note that one can state FLT as "there are no 
> non-trivial rational solutions to x^n+y^n=z^n for n>2" and I will simply 
> state that CBR(2) (cuberoot) clearly "makes sense" and is therefore a 
> "rational" (makes sense) number, as is CBR(6) and so 
> CBR(2)^3+CBR(6)^3=2^3... aha! I have demolished FLT and should be 
> published except that Ian does not quite own all of NEW SCIENTIST as 
> recognized!
> 
> Of course, what I did was note that there are approximate solutions in the
> rationals (standard norm) and simply completed the rationals (to the
> reals) to get to a solution. If one wants to avoid fractions, one can note
> that there are approximate solutions in the integers (in, say, the 5-adic
> norm) and note that one can complete the integers in this norm to get a
> solution. If I did the completion of the rationals (to the reals) to get a
> counter example, it would be obvious what I did (and would be a joke).
> Completing the integers (in a p-adic norm) is not so well known and hides
> the fact that it is just a simple trick. 
> 
> None the less, Stewart is adamant that just as Hsiang Kepler packing 
> problem (but has not redefined "rational" to mean "real"), diophantine
> analysis must go beyond integers to adics (there are folks who study
> p-adics, but not for diophantine analysis! -- heck, most if not all
> diophantine/integral equations have approximate --in a p-adic norm--
> solutions and completions of the integers to the adics like the rationals
> to the reals would show they have solutions... it would make determining
> whether or not solutions exist rather trivial... just find approximate
> ones as one solves equations in the reals by finding a sequence of
> approximations) and insists that they must follow his new definition of
> integer as adics... so please tell us Ian, since you are the biggest writer
> of math articles in all the world, tell us how much you gross in income
> and are you about to own majority shares of NEW SCIENTIST. I love how
> you fill up every article with some Penrose tiles. I think Roger is sick
> of Penrose tiles but you seem to feel that the world cannot get enough
> of those tilings.
  John, that is funny, while reading your profound analysis of Ian
Stewart, I was reminded of the fact that Ian published his version of
Euclid's Infinitude of Primes in one of his books, and by gosh by
golly, Ian gave an invalid proof. I mean, here is a guy who has his
name plastered on thousands of published math reports and the man
cannot even do a valid proof of Euclid's Infinitude of Primes.
  Of course, reading your above post John, he would fail miserably at
giving a valid proof of Euclid's infinitude of primes. Why, you would
just copy someone elses and pretend it was yours.
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Subject: Vietmath War: Andre Weil, and allies
From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium)
Date: 19 Dec 1996 06:04:09 GMT
In article <32B7E9A0.41C67EA6@clipper.ens.fr>
David Madore  writes:
> Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> 
> >   I thought you were sticking with Andrew Wiles, there, Barry? Or have
> > you come to commonsense and joined Andre' Weil who knows Wiles FLT is a
> > fake?
> 
>   Andr\'e Weil knows FLT is a fake? Now that's a very interesting
> notion.
> I also wonder how *you* should know that? Did you come up to him and ask
> him? Or did he ever state the fact publicly? Or are you reading his mind
> in some mystical way? Now perhaps you believe you're the reincarnation
> of Andr\'e Weil - in that case, I have bad news for you: he's not dead
> yet.
  Don't even hint of nonlife on the Net. Your enemies will say you made
a threat.
  I don't have time to give a broad historical cultural history of the
antagonisms between Britain, France, Germany and the US.
  It was seen in the Leibniz and Newton case. It never really surfaced
with the Galois and Gauss case, but if the French had been more
rational at that time, Paris would have become the math capital of
Europe. Gauss in the distant future will be remember more for his
physics than any of his math. Gauss did nothing big in math, except for
stealing the noneuclidean geometries from Bolyai and Lobachevsky.
  But as far as math rivalry with France and Britain, Britain was never
really in the big leagues. The French have been the cultural custodians
of mathematics since Napoleon who was a mathematician himself.
  Much of the fanfare of the Wiles FLT is the cultural subconscious
dance that Wiles is British and that FLT is a French originated
problem. The US has never been on the mathematics world map, it is
still a backwater frontier of mathematics.
   The recent news of Wiles FLT and his pilgrammage to Cambridge, then
his Wolf prize which the British in cohorts with the Israelis made
happen. The US mathematicians are just happy to see some of their minor
league players get some attention such as Barry Mazur, Ken Ribet and a
few at Ohio State. As long as the publicity and attention come their
way they will play the game.
  The British that know math, know that Wiles alleged FLT is weak in
many spots, in fact he never really bridged his gap of 1993, he just
changed methods and is banking on a changed method to mask his 1993
gap. The French know this. The Germans are half and half, halB und
HalB. The Germans always consult the French on mathematics for they
know, having lived so close to the French, that their math acumen as a
collective whole is superior to the German collection. Rumors have gone
out of France into the Germans ears and it has knocked the wind out of
their sails. Gerd Faltings is a German pimp and traitor having lived in
Princeton and picked up the loose habits of undisciplined US math
people like John Conway, a British traitor and spy for the left.
   This brings us back to Paris France and Andre Weil. Whose picture is
in 
--- Halmos's I Have A Photographic Memory ---
   236-237
  Andre' Weil
   This is as good a place as any to insert the picture of one who has
often been named a candidate for the world's greatest living
mathematician. Despite the breadth of his knowledge and the power of
his creativity, he has been fiercely competitive most of his life. Many
fear his aggressive sharp tongue, but some, notably his few students,
remember only his kind helpfulness. As a lecturer he can be as
difficult as his mathematics. In one course on algebraic geometry,
after a brave auditor complained that Weil didn't write enough on the
board, and, in particular, that he didn't draw any pictures, Weil
resolved to mend his ways. He strode into the room the next time,
picked up the chalk, hit its point sharply against the board once,
began: "Let P be a point in the plane...", and spent all the rest of
the hour lecturing, with the otherwise empty board, about the point P.
--- end quoting from book ---
  Wiles FLT is so weak that he had to get the BBC to make a TV
documentary. Of course Andre Weil was not mentioned in the program.
Instead outside cheerleaders who had no role in Wiles FLT, such as John
Conway or other cheerleaders were given coverage.
  The reason Weil was not in that TV show is because Weil knows that
the Wiles FLT is flawed and that Wiles is just trumpeting up a
publicity stunt to enshrine his fake proof.
  Soon it will be Britain against France where the Brits are going to
say that Wiles FLT is correct and the French, the guardians of
mathematics are going to point out Wiles still unpatched gaps.  When
this showtime flairs up, the US math people are going to be a nuisance,
and the Germans , for some other reasons except math will stay out of
the fight.
   Notice how the Fields medals were awarded to three Frenchmen. Those
men deserved it, but according to the Brits and US, their news had
words to the effect "unexciting". Why? Because the math world knows
that the French are the guardians of mathematics, and that the British
with their US allies are reckless pushers of mathematics.
   Andre Weil was omitted from that TV program because Andre knows
Wiles alleged FLT is not a proof.
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Subject: Re: Vietmath War: war victims; blinded victims
From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium)
Date: 19 Dec 1996 04:32:44 GMT
In article <5990ct$777@sleepy.inch.com>
jmcgowan@metric.inch.com (John McGowan) writes:
> Well.. they do for A.P.
A gigantic big mouth that does not understand what he reads.
Say there McGowan idiot , define   *Finite* for us.
You are unable and so I should just repeat this question to everyone of
your idiotic posts
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Subject: Re: A case against nuclear energy?
From: TL ADAMS
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:09:11 -0500
Richard A. Schumacher wrote:
> 
> >Truth above all, honour above all things.
> 
> Talk is cheap.
> 
> >Killer of children, do not occuse an old blood of not telling
> >truth.  We do not take grave insults easily.
> 
> Calling fission power more dangerous than fossil fuel power is
> either ignorance in action, or lying.
As I have not commented on the risk of fission power, you statement is a
little 
misplaced.
I have spoken on the cost, and on the public preception, on the sins of
NPI past
that give your industry a bad reputation.
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Subject: Re: Time travel? What about Deja Vu's?
From: Anthony Potts
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 14:10:43 GMT
On Wed, 18 Dec 1996, Jye wrote:
> When i get deja vu, i know i have seen it before.  Sometimes i
> remember vaguley how long ago, sometimes 2 weeks ago, maybe 2 years
> ago.  But Deju Vu (for me at least) sometimes is not caused by a
> situation or sight of something straight on, but it could be somtimes
> an image of the shapes of some of the shadows, sometimes the position
> of some people walking by. But i always know i have seen this sight
> more than once in my life.  What i am trying to say is, maybe Deja Vu
> is just your brain trying to remember somthing you have seen many a
> times before.
> 
I have heard it said that deja vu is triggered off by sensations other
than sight. Most notably, by smell.
The theory is that you smell something which you have smelled before, and
that this smell triggers off a feeling that the events around you have
gone on previously. It is then your mind that decides that it is actually
the sights around you that you have seen before.
Whenever I have had deja vu, I have attempted to predict what is coming
next. It turns out that this has never been possible. On closer
examination, it seems that it wasn't even a sequence of events that I felt
I had seen before, but just one very fleeting moment, that appears
afterwards to have been occurring for a finite time interval.
It seems that in my case, the act of attempting to measure the deja vu is
enough to knock my mind out of the state, which hints that it was all a
construct in the first place. After all, if it was really caused by seeing
things the same as before, you would experience the feeling nearly every
time you looked around in familiar surroundings. As we all know, the
feeling of deja vu is not like that. It is very different to just seeing
something familiar to us.
Anthony Potts
CERN, Geneva
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Subject: Re: PROBLEM: When should a spaceship turn around ?
From: Christopher R Volpe
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:34:29 -0500
Howard Tomlinson wrote:
> 
>  If the ship is starting off with no initial velocity, then the problem
> is easy - the ship accelerates until it is halfway, and then turns
> round.
> 
>  What if the ship already starts with some velocity ? When would be the
> time to turn around?
I would start off by realizing that the point at which to turn around
does not depend on whether the ship really starts at time zero with
initial velocity U or if it starts some time prior to zero at zero
velocity and accelerates full speed to reach v=U at t=0. So, just
extrapolate back and use the midpoint:
> 
>          Vmax|    /\
>              |   /  \
>              |  /    \
>              | /      \
>            U |/        \
>              /          \
>             /|           \
>            / |____________\____________
>              0    Tm      Te
So, let's say you know the initial distance to the goal is D. Knowing
the acceleration and the desired velocity at t=0, you can compute the
distance D' that you would have had to start from behind the real
starting point in order to reach the starting point with velocity U.
Then, clearly, the total distance of this extrapolated journey becomes
D+D', and the distance to the turn-around point is (D+D')/2. But since
you have to subtract off the initial D' that isn't part of the real
journey, the distance from your real start point to the turn-around
point is (D+D')/2 - D'. 
So what's D'? That's pretty straightforward to compute. Let's say the
acceleration is "A", and the desired velocity at t=0 is U. We then have
two equations:
1) U = AT
2) D' = .5 AT^2
In each of the above, T is the time from the extrapolated starting point
to the real starting point. EQ1 gives us the amount of time needed to
accelerate from v=0 to v=U. EQ2 gives the distance travelled during that
time given that acceleration. Solving for T in EQ1 and plugging into EQ2
yields:
D' = .5 U^2 / A
So, we now have D' in terms of U and A, quantities we already know, so
the rest is arithmetic.
Hope this helps...
--
Chris Volpe			Phone: (518) 387-7766 
GE Corporate R&D;		Fax:   (518) 387-6560
PO Box 8 			Email: volpecr@crd.ge.com
Schenectady, NY 12301		Web:   http://www.crd.ge.com/~volpecr
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Subject: Re: A case against nuclear energy?
From: TL ADAMS
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:23:37 -0500
Richard A. Schumacher wrote:
> "burning" in this context means "converting the isotopes into less
> dangerous elements". It is not "oxidation". I wonder how many Average
> Citizens have the same mis-understanding?
So you mean irradiation of the isotopes with alpha particle or neutrons
until the material is in a stable isotope form.  Not a technique that
I've ever seen mentioned on any site remediation.  
But of course, the hazardous concentrations that we remediate would not
lend themselves to this treatment.
Yes, you use the word burn to a chemical engineer and we will prehaps
be mislead.  Prehaps the phrase "enhanced decay" would sound good to
the public, or "assisted deactivation".
After all, we by-passed alot of press by using the phrase NORM to
describe all those products of decay that make the Natural gas pipe
lines so hot, by call it Naturally occuring radioactive material, it
just seems a little less threatening.
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Subject: Re: Revisionist SR and GR
From: throopw@sheol.org (Wayne Throop)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 15:46:14 GMT
: odessey2@ix.netcom.com(Allen Meisner)
: In Mr.  Hinson's thought experiment, he says that if you are traveling
: in a spaceship at 5c and shine a light straight up, the observer in
: the spacehip will see the light go straight up, and the stationary
: observer will see the light go diagonally forward.  If I am correct
: and light does not have inertia, then the observer in the ship will
: see the light go diagonally back and the stationary observer will see
: the light go straight up.  [...]
: According to that model, the light travels a longer distance for the
: stationary observer, than for the observer in the spaceship and
: therefore time slowed for the observer in the ship.  In the inertial
: theory, exactly the opposite is the case.  Therefore time dilation can
: not be the cause of the inertial geometry.  However, the equations are
: nevertheless correct.  The only way to resolve this dillema is by
: positing another explanation for the Lobachevsky geometry.  It seems
: that the only way to do this is by assuming length contraction and
: absolute time.  However.  I am not sure about this.  Would there be
: any other explanation?
Certainly.  The correct explanation is that, in reality, the "moving"
observer will see a straight lightbeam, and the "stationary" observer
will see a diagonal one.
--
Wayne Throop   throopw@sheol.org  http://sheol.org/throopw
               throopw@cisco.com
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Subject: Is moving bicycle more easy to balance than static biycle?
From: r5523118@cc.ntu.edu.tw (r85523118)
Date: 19 Dec 1996 16:05:53 GMT
        In our general idea , moving bicycle is easy to be balanced
        than static bicycle . Is it right ?
        Someone has told me that it is because the conservation of
        angular momentun . But I still can't understand the problem .
        Maybe I can state the problem in this way : why moving bicycle
        don't fall ?
        thanks for your replying !!
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Subject: other GALAXIES
From: raven@david.silesia.pik-net.pl (Grzegorz Kruk Ph.D.)
Date: 19 Dec 1996 17:17:10 GMT
Just for Goodbye prior to unsubscribing for a while.
In addition to my previous published here texts.
The Lorenz transformation and relativity theory give proper results in 
CERN because they concern what we can observe and measure. 
They do not say anything about intergalaxial travels being impossible within 
human's life when the rest frame is in the middle of the travelling space-ship.
I wish you Happy New Year 1997.
GK
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
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EDUCATION:
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13th of December 1993, graduated from Trinity
College, University of Dublin, Ireland.
Thesis: FT Infrared Spectroscopy of Liquid Crystals.
Papers:
A. Kocot,  R.  Wrzalik,  G.  Kruk,  J.K.  Vij,  Molecular  Materials,  v.1, 
p.273-279, (1992).
A. Kocot, G. Kruk, R.  Wrzalik,  J.K.  Vij,  Liquid  Crystals,  v.12,  n.6, 
p.1005-1012, (1992).
J.K. Vij, A. Kocot, G.Kruk, R. Wrzalik, R. Zental, Mol. Cryst. Liq. Cryst.,
v. 14, p. 337-350, (1993).
G. Kruk, A. Kocot, R. Wrzalik, J.K. Vij, O. Karthaus, H. Ringsdorf,  Liquid 
Crystals, v.14, n.3, p.807-820, (1993).
G. Kruk, J.K. Vij, O. Karthaus, H. Ringsdorf, Supramolecular Science, v.2,
p.51-58, (1995).
6th of July 1989, graduated from  Silesian  University,  Katowice,  Poland, 
(specialization:  experimental and applications of physics). 
Degree of Magistri (Master) in Physics.
    M.Sc. Graduation Exam: "A"
    Total Grade Point Average "B" (4.0)
Thesis: Strong Thermal Lens Induced by Laser Light in Mixtures of 
Organic Liquids with Ferrocene.
Published in Berichte der Bunsenges. Phys. Chem., v.94,  p.417-420,  (1990) 
by G. Kruk and Z. Gburski.
INTERNATIONAL MEETINGS:
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14th International Liquid Crystal Conference, 1991, Pisa, Italy,
(Presented 2 posters).
Internal EC SCI*0291 project  meeting,  1992,  University  of  Manchester, 
U.K., (Seminar).
WORK EXPERIENCE
1988-1994 physicist, Silesian University, Katowice, Poland.
      Duties:
            1)  preparing and explaining basic experiments on physics for
                undergraduate students.
            2)  writing computer programmes for experiments
            3)  designing and performance supervising of new experimental 
                setups for experiments within undergraduate course
            5)  supervising maintenance jobs on experimental hardware
            6)  assembling electronic hardware for experiments like e.g. 
                interfaces for meters and also writing software in ASSEMBLER 
1989-1990 part time teacher of programming in PASCAL and BASIC, III  Liceum 
          Ogolnoksztalcace im. A. Mickiewicza, Katowice, Poland.
         Duties:
            1) Installing software
            2) Teaching programming in Pascal and Basic and also how to
               run and operate other applications 
1991-1993 research student, EEE Department, Trinity College, University  of 
      Dublin, Dublin, Ireland. (working for EC research project SCI*0291 
      in cooperation with groups of University of Mainz and University of
      Manchester).
          Duties:
            1) Laboratory research on liquid crystals and discotic liquid 
               crystals using FTIR spectroscopy equipment and polarizing 
               microscopy including:
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                      system with IDRIS operating system
                   b) Programmable Intelligent Temperature Controller 
                      Oxford ITC4
            2) Writing software applications for data handling in FORTRAN
            3) Data handling and plotting on VAX/VMS (MATLAB), UNIX, DOS 
               (EASYPLOT, WORD, LOTUS MANUSCRIPT)
            4) Preparing seminars for internal project meetings and conferences
            5) Correcting tutorials
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          Cooperating with:
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Subject: Re: Is moving bicycle more easy to balance than static biycle?
From: sterner@sel.hep.upenn.edu (Kevin Sterner)
Date: 19 Dec 1996 17:29:04 GMT
In article <59bpgr$ipf@netnews.ntu.edu.tw>, r5523118@cc.ntu.edu.tw (r85523118) writes:
This thread really doesn't belong in sci.physics.relativity.  Note that
I have crossposted this response to sci.physics, and set the Followup-To:
to sci.physics.
>         In our general idea , moving bicycle is easy to be balanced
>         than static bicycle . Is it right ?
Yes.
>         Someone has told me that it is because the conservation of
>         angular momentun . But I still can't understand the problem .
>         Maybe I can state the problem in this way : why moving bicycle
>         don't fall ?
(This is a handwaving, non-rigorous argument since the poster apparently
has little background in physics.)
When the bicycle is upright, the wheels are rotating about an axis
that is horizontal.  If it falls over, they will be rotating about an
axis that is vertical.  This means that the angular momentum has to
change: you have to shed the "horizontal" angular momentum.  This
requires the exertion of force.
If the bicycle isn't moving, the wheels aren't turning, so it falls
over more easily.
Try this experiment: hold a gyroscope so that its axis is horizontal
and start it spinning.  Now, very quickly, try to rotate the gyroscope
so that its axis is pointing upright.  It's not so easy!
-- K.
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Subject: Re: faster than light travel
From: "Nathan Boyd"
Date: 19 Dec 1996 16:47:42 GMT
The particles 'speed' as measured by another FOR. I don't think anyone can
prove there exist no particle with relative motion faster than light.
Physical laws don't preclude FLT, but there is no way to detect them.
Sylvia Else  wrote in article
<32BA0206.7A8A@zip.com.au>...
> Bruce Butkus wrote:
> 
> > But, Could you not use those hasards to your advantage?? If you aimed
> > near, the gravity would pull the near light speed particle in faster,
> > thus bringing it past the spped-of-light point??
> 
> What a bizarre notion! No - regardless of the mass of the object creating
> the gravitational field, the particle's velocity will never exceed the 
> speed of light.
> 
> Sylvia.
> 
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Subject: Re: Question on spectral broadening
From: tfroese@netcom.ca(Timothy Ryan Froese)
Date: 19 Dec 1996 18:03:46 GMT
It is known that the more nearly monochromatic a wave packet is, the
broader it becomes. If the frequency spread is nearly zero, the packet
becomes so broad(ie. its wave train becomes so long) that its emission
time is extremely large. Now consider gamma rays emitted from a source
consisting of many atoms. The energy spectrum will show some peak with
a finite width. The effect of the recoil of the atom on the light
emitted, is to broaden the spectral line associated with the particular
electronic transition. I understand that this recoil causes statistical
variation of the energies which causes the spread. However this is
completely paradoxical to what I said above that a monochromatic wave
packet becomes broader. I think I am missing something simple here but
can't think of it. Does anybody want to give a crack at it? 
Tim
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Subject: Re: faster than light travel
From: "Nathan Boyd"
Date: 19 Dec 1996 16:56:23 GMT
David L Evens  wrote in article
<599ffv$sah@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>...
> Dan Musicant (drmus@aol.com) wrote:
> : Faster than light, I doubt it...
> 
> : < : restrictions on content.>>          <----- That's an oxymoron.
> 
> No, it's a legal restriction intended to burn a very specific ISP.
> 
The expression is not exactly an oxymoron, but rather self-evident. If the
ISP changes the content for whatever reason, it is an 'edited' message, not
the original.  
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Subject: Re: Is moving bicycle more easy to balance than static biycle?
From: bfp@bfp.cc.purdue.edu (Bryan Putnam)
Date: 19 Dec 1996 13:27:11 -0500
r5523118@cc.ntu.edu.tw (r85523118) writes:
>        In our general idea , moving bicycle is easy to be balanced
>        than static bicycle . Is it right ?
Yes, I believe that's right (see below).
>        Someone has told me that it is because the conservation of
>        angular momentun . But I still can't understand the problem .
>        Maybe I can state the problem in this way : why moving bicycle
>        don't fall ?
I don't believe it has much to do with gyroscopes or angular momentum
because if a bicycle had massless (or very light) wheels it would
still be just as easy to ride. 
I would think it's mainly just a balancing act between you and the
bike.  When the bike tilts to one side, either you lean toward the
other side, or you steer in the direction of the tilt causing you and
the bike to feel a centrifugal force (mv**2/R) in the opposite
direction.
Now, if the bike were not moving, you would find it more difficult to
balance because turning the handlebars no longer has an effect.
Similarly, if the handlebars are locked so that you can't steer, you
would probably have just as much trouble keeping a moving bike
balanced as if it were stationary, but I haven't tried that.
Bryan
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Subject: Re: Should a theory explain why?
From: mmcirvin@world.std.com (Matt McIrvin)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 18:05:29 GMT
In article <591clo$n8d@agate.berkeley.edu>, Ben Thomas Galehouse
 wrote:
> However,
> Newton's law's of mechanics are still, and probably always will be,
> used to explain why a multitude of effects occur.  Lagrangian
> mechanics are arguably derived from a simpler statement, but that
> statement doesn't have the same feel of comprehensibility, so it
> generally isn't presented as an explanation why.  Lagrangian mechanics
> isn't the origin of the phenomenon as the physicist thinks about it,
> so it isn't a good explanation why.
I think you're on to something here; things feel more like "reasons
why" if they seem more simple and elegant, though at heart that is
probably not a terribly objective criterion.
Your example is interesting. It's true that a Lagrangian derivation of
Newtonian mechanics, while it might involve fewer postulates, somehow
*feels* more esoteric and complicated than Newton's original laws. However,
when one examines more complicated theories, particularly field theories,
the Lagrangian approach becomes more and more attractive. To me, the
threshold is somewhere in the vicinity of Maxwell's equations; everything
more complicated looks nicer when expressed in a Lagrangian way than in any
other way.
The Lagrangian formalism of general relativity, in particular, is
wonderfully elegant in its basic premises, compared to starting from
Einstein's field equation. Indeed, to me it's so elegant that I consider it
as much of a "reason why" as Newton's laws. Spacetime evolves in the
absence of matter so as to extremize an action obtained, more or less, by
summing up the Gaussian curvature over spacetime. Other matter fields'
interactions come from just plugging curved-spacetime generalizations of
Lagrangians we already know and love into the same equation! There are
complications, but the fact that the basic principle can be stated in two
fairly simple sentences strikes me as just amazing.
> Is being simplified enough to explain why a good thing in a theory?
> Good or not, it is and always will be looked for in new theories.  I
> have yet to hear somebody dispute Occam's Razor as a tool for
> identifying useful theories.
People (particularly grand-conspiracy theorists) actually dispute it fairly
often, but they tend to have little luck promoting their objections. One
could justify it on the basis of common sense, but a lot of things violate
common sense.
Objectors to the Razor tend to argue that the simplest theory is often
wrong. That is true, but it completely misses the point. The best
justification of this principle I can think of is that it *facilitates* the
conduct of science as a self-correcting enterprise.
Suppose we assume that two theories explaining the same body of data, one
of which clearly contains more theoretical entities than the other, are
equally likely to be correct. Simpler theories still possess two distinct
advantages in this case.
First, they often make more definite, testable predictions than more
complex theories about data *not yet* obtained. (Indeed, scientists often
speak more of "predictive power" than of simplicity.) That means that the
simpler theory is easier to test, and if the predictions are borne out, it
is likely to imply a broader and more useful range of statements about the
world.
Second, suppose that a counterexample to a theory is found. Then the effort
of modifying the theory to accomodate the counterexample is usually more
enlightening, the simpler the theory is to begin with. We end up knowing
more about limiting cases of the broadened theory. If the more complex
theory (or some other theory entirely) ends up being the right one all
along, then the theoretical apparatus developed to study the simpler theory
will still be useful to describe simply the limit in which it still holds.
This can be of great practical value.
-- 
Matt McIrvin   
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Subject: free chem software list
From: xu
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:45:03 -0800
http://www.umass.edu/microbio/rasmol/othersof.htm
Free Molecular Visualization Software
Other than RasMol
     Chemscape Chime from MDL Information Systems, Inc., allows rotating 
a
     molecular image within a Netscape page. Multiple molecules can be 
displayed
     within a single web page, unlike helper applications (such as 
RasMol) which
     display each molecule in a separate window. Chime also supports 
scripts
     (using a superset of the RasMol scripting language). See the UMass 
Chime
     Resources page for the latest and greatest educational Chime 
scripts. 
     Cn3D (Read as See in 3D) is a superb new free viewer from the 
National
     Center for Biotechnology Information. It uses "cleaned-up" PDB files
     converted to ASN.1 format available thru WWW Entrez, also available
     directly within Cn3D which will itself query the Entrez database. 
Considerable
     effort has been applied to the ASN.1 data files to resolve 
ambiguities present
     in the PDB format and remove errors present in some PDB files. See 
the
     on-line article by Hogue et al. for an explanation. Cn3D is more 
intelligent
     than RasMol -- for example, it provides a more informative first 
image of a
     structure. 
     WebLab from Molecular Simulations, Inc. is free and runs on Windows 
and
     Macintoshes, and is in part derived from RasMol. It can represent 
alpha
     helices as cylinders, can add missing hydrogen atoms, and can rotate 
residues
     around a bond (torsion). Excellent for selecting (including by mouse 
clicking)
     a subset of atoms and saving them to a separate file. MSI offers 
nice
     prepackaged sets of examples of various types of molecular 
structures (mostly
     readable only in WebLab, though). WebLab is highly recommended! 
     MAGE (molecular animations; PC/Windows, Mac) 
     Swiss-PdbViewer ( Switzerland / US Mirror) program by Nicolas Guex 
and
     Manuel C. Pietsch. This program runs on Macintosh or Windows NT/95 
(but
     not Windows 3.1x). You can overlay and align multiple structures, 
mutate
     amino acids (the best rotamer of the new AA is found automatically), 
and
     dynamically find/display hydrogen bonds. Upgraded to version 2.0 
March,
     1996 (first Windows version; Mac version now supports Quickdraw3D). 
     LinusLite is a free test version of a forthcoming enhanced version 
of the
     commercial viewer MacMolecule. These programs run only on the
     Macintosh, and require a special atomic coordinate data file format, 
generated
     from PDB files with a free translator provided. 
     WPDB (Windows Protein Data Base) 
     MovieMol makes ball-and-stick animations of molecular structures, 
and runs
     on PC DOS, IBM RISC/6000, and SGI workstations. It is free to 
academic
     researchers. 
     Free Molecular Animations using Animation Works show off alpha 
helix, beta
     sheet, DNA, tRNA, homeoboxes, and DNA polymerase. 
     VMD (Visual Molecular Dynamics) runs on Silicon Graphics 
workstations
     (IRIX 5.x). This sophisticated package can produce virtual reality 
3D, show
     molecular dynamics simulations, and has a script language complete 
with
     loops, variables, conditional branching, and subroutines. It comes 
complete
     with C++ source code from the Theoretical Biophysics Group of the
     Beckman Institute at the Univ Illinois Urbana-Champaign. 
     Hingefind is an X-PLOR script by Willy Wriggers which identifies 
domain
     movements in proteins. It generates output files which can be 
visualized with
     standard software. 
     Computational Center for Macromolecular Structures, CCMS, at the San
     Diego Supercomputer Center. Here you can get free programs including
     SHAPE (analysis of molecular surfaces), FLEX (molecular animations),
     PDBtool (browser), XTALVIEW (X-ray crystal structure solver). These 
are
     mostly for unix/workstations/xwindows systems. 
     Midas+ isn't free from UCSF but an academic license costs only $350. 
It is
     very powerful and runs on Silicon Graphics, DEC Alpha AXP, and NeXT
     workstations. 
     ChemDraw & Chem3D, free demo software from CambridgeSoft Corp.,
     which also provides a web-searchable database of molecules. 
(Windows,
     Mac, unix) 
     MolGen (Windows, OS/2, Sun) computes molecular structures. Free demo
     for up to 100 atoms. University of Bayreuth, Germany. 
     PDBTools, a small package of home-made C programs for extracting 
subsets
     of PDB files or combining PDB files. 
     The US NIH Molecular Modeling group provides a very comprehensive
     listing of software (free and commercial). 
     The Institute for Molecular Virology at the Univ Wisconsin maintains 
an
     annotated list of molecular visualization software. 
     Brookhaven National Laboratory lists some free software tools for 
advanced
     protein structurists. 
Back to Free Molecular Visualization Resources Other than RasMol 
This page is maintained by emartz@microbio.umass.edu
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Subject: Re: Induced voltage in water
From: booth@lvld.hp.com (George Booth)
Date: 19 Dec 1996 18:08:11 GMT
Bill Oertell (woertell@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>     Does this voltage vary with repect to distance from lights?  I would
> doubt that it would.  If there's no voltage gradient, then the fish in
> you tank experience no effect.  If so, they do.
The reason the fish feel an effect, according to one source, is that
the body fluids of the fish have a different salinity than the water and
therefore have a different induced voltage.  Since the induced voltage
is AC, the fish senses a varying potential between the water and its 
body, causing the stress.  The source claimed a capacitor-like effect, 
with the Lateral Line being in the path of the charge/discharge cycle. 
This began to get a little, um, fishy.                              
If this were true and the probe kept the water a 0 V potential, then
there might be MORE of an effect since the fish is sensing its body
pontential relative to 0 V instead of relative to a slightly different
induced voltage.  Or perhaps the water is acting like a Faraday cage
and shielding the fish from the EMF. 
George Booth               
booth@lvld.hp.com  
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Subject: Re: Vietmath War: war victims; blinded victims
From: Richard Mentock
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 13:42:25 -0500
Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> 
> In article <32B7F02F.E3C@mindspring.com>
> Richard Mentock  writes:
> 
> > Can you solve FLT *with* p-adics?  Well, someone else did it long ago.
> 
>   Just a little knowledge of what is going on is dangerous. Best to
> keep quiet and out of the discussion.
What about the other question?  Can you solve FLT without p-adics?
That's the hard part.
> 
>   Many solved FLT with p-adics before I came along. But it never
> entered the mind of anyone before me that the Naturals = Finite
> Integers was a gray slab of incoherent imprecise junk. And that the
> axioms themselves were a contradictory set. Mathematics, the subject
> does not care whether it is easy or hard for humans to grasp the true
> concepts. Just as in physics, the physical world cares less whether
> Newtonian physics is easier for humans to understand than is QM. What
> matters is that QM is the *more precise* laws of physics.
> 
>   And my thesis is that the Naturals are not those foggy imprecise
> *finite integers* but are in fact the p-adics.
Again, you're too late.  The name is already taken.  Find a new one.
> 
>   Mentock, you do not grasp the tiniest of what I am saying. To you
> there exists two sets of integer numbers , the finite integers and the
> p-adics and to you both of them have valid existence.
Just shows your limited imagination.  There's more than *just* two.
>   To me, there exists only set of integers and those are the p-adics.
> The finite integers are stupid crude first approximation to the
> p-adics.
> 
>   When Newtonian physics started to unravel, it was entirely thrown out
> and Quantum physics replaced it. *Finite Integers* is just as crude, as
> imprecise, as crippled in describing the world of mathematical integers
> as Newtonian physics was in describing the physics world.
Bone up on your science history too.  Newtonian physics was replaced 
by relativity, not QM.  THEN QM came into the picture, and has more
or less peaceably coexisted with relativity since.
> 
>    Define "finite", there Mentock and let us see how low you can stoop
> in stupidity.
Ah, the stupidity limbo.  No problem.  No one can beat me in stupidity.
I'm so stupid, I studied math instead of business.
I'm so stupid, I believed my senator and governor.
I'm so stupid, I'm responding to this.  I'm so stupid, but it's fun.
-- 
D.
mentock@mindspring.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~mentock/index.htm
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