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Subject: High tech immigrants displace Americans, dividing us by class (like the rest of the world) -- From: rodan_@primenet.com
Subject: H1 and L1 visa brings 150,000 high tech "qualified" immigrants to the US each year, displacing hard working, lower class students -- From: rodan_@primenet.com
Subject: bioactive proteins as drug sources -- From: bfry@aracnet.com (Bryan Grieg Fry)
Subject: Construction/structures academic position opening -- From: harichan@egr.msu.edu (Ronald Harichandran)
Subject: Re: H1 and L1 visa brings 150,000 high tech "qualified" immigrants to the US each year, displacing hard working, lower class students -- From: Robert Davis
Subject: Three Post-doc optics positions at Cambridge University Eng. Dept. -- From: tdw@eng.cam.ac.uk (Timmy the dog)
Subject: Three Post-doc optics positions at Cambridge University Eng. Dept. -- From: tdw@eng.cam.ac.uk (Timmy the dog)
Subject: New Career Discussion Group -- From: davej@sedona.net (Dave Jensen)
Subject: Just Testing -- From: MA FASSIHI
Subject: Re: Engineering PhD's -- From: "Haris J. Sih"
Subject: Re: Engineering PhD's -- From: jbszee@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: New Career Discussion Group -- From: DrHeasley@Chemistry.com (Frank Heasley)
Subject: RESUME: Recent biology grad (BS) -- From: Jonathan Diehl
Subject: RESEARCH POSITION: thrombosis - biochemistry/biophysics -- From: axelsen@axe1.med.upenn.edu (Paul H Axelsen)
Subject: Demande d'emploi: biologie génétique/moléculaire -- From: cddp34@cge-ol.fr

Articles

Subject: High tech immigrants displace Americans, dividing us by class (like the rest of the world)
From: rodan_@primenet.com
Date: 10 Nov 1996 15:37:01 -0700
Critics who advocate tighter controls on immigration argue that such
figures illustrate how immigrants are snatching jobs from Americans.

''Many Silicon Valley high-tech immigrants displace American workers and are just average workers,'' said Yeh Ling-Ling, a Chinese immigrant and founder of the Diversity Coalition For An Immigration Moratorium, which is pushing for a five-year moratorium on legal immigration with a ceiling of 100,000 a year. ''We have an over-supply of labor. We don't need more workers from elsewhere.''

Norman Matloff, professor of computer science at the University of California, Davis, who has researched the impact of immigrants on the computer industry, also believes that employers favor immigrants for their cheap labor, not their skills.

He pointed to 1990 Census data that shows average salaries for foreign-born computer professionals in Silicon Valley were nearly $7,000 lower than for natives of the same age and education level.

But CEOs maintain that when they seek the best people for key jobs, the most qualified often are immigrants. Although wage levels may not be a critical issue for blue-collar-type jobs such as assembly-line positions, companies must offer competitive wages for engineers, whether they are immigrants or native-born, Hing said. Wage information is reviewed by the state Employment Development Department and the U.S. Department of Labor.

At Santa-Clara-based Intel Corp., the world's largest semiconductor manufacturer, headed by Hungarian immigrant Andy Grove, about 20 percent of the engineers are Chinese immigrants, according to the report. One hundred of the 300 engineers with advanced degrees hired by Intel during the first half of 1995 were on visas, according to company spokesman Tom Waldrop.

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Subject: H1 and L1 visa brings 150,000 high tech "qualified" immigrants to the US each year, displacing hard working, lower class students
From: rodan_@primenet.com
Date: 10 Nov 1996 15:35:03 -0700


U.S. programs that allow entry to tens of thousands of permanent and temporary foreign workers fail to protect U.S workers' jobs or wages and are riddled with abuses that in many cases have made their original intent a ''sham,'' according to an audit by the Labor Department's inspector general.

The audit, a draft summary of which was obtained by the Washington Post, found that employers routinely flout requirements to search for U.S. workers for job openings and to pay the prevailing wage to the foreigners they hire. The inspector general's office, an ''independent agency'' within the Labor Department, decides autonomously which programs to audit, a departmentofficial said.

'Unique' skills

''The inspector general's report confirms what we've been saying for years,'' said Labor Secretary Robert Reich. In particular, a program that allows annual admissions of up to 65,000 foreign workers with ''unique'' skills under temporary H1B visas ''doesn't work,'' he said.

Employers strongly defend the H1B program and a category ofemployment-based permanent immigration that makes available up to 140,000 immigrant visas for foreign workers and their families.

Businesses and immigration advocates say the programs help supply U.S. high-tech firms and other businesses with the world's ''best and the brightest'' in an increasingly competitive global economy and that U.S. workers are protected by existing rules. Among them are Labor Department requirements that employers search for qualified U.S. workers before sponsoring foreign workers as permanent immigrants and pay ''prevailing wages'' to foreign temporary workers.

'Shopping' services

The inspector general's report said, however, ''the foreign labor programs we audited do not protect U.S. workers' jobs or wages from foreign labor because neither program meets its legislative intent.''

The program for certifying permanent employment-based immigrants instead allows foreigners already in the United States to obtain permanent resident status ''and then shop their services in competition with equally or more qualified U.S. workers without regard to prevailing wage,'' the report said.

The H1B program, it said, largely ''serves as a probationary try-out employment program for illegal aliens, foreign students and foreign visitors to determine if they will be sponsored for permanent status.''

'Sham' tests

Of 24,150 foreigners for whom employers in 12 states applied for immigrant status during fiscal 1993, the audit found, 98.7 percent were already in the United States and 74.1 percent were already working for the employer when the application was filed. Of those already employed, 16.4 percent were working illegally, it found.

Market tests for qualified U.S. workers are ''perfunctory at best and a sham at worst,'' the report said.

Advertisements or postings for those 24,150 jobs as required by the Labor Department resulted in 165,000 applicants, but in more than 99 percent of the cases a U.S. worker was not hired, the audit found. This was because the employers were simply posting the jobs to meet the requirement, a department spokesman said.

The audit, begun in April 1995, also showed that few of the employers surveyed could prove that they paid their H1B workers the prevailing wage. The auditors reported that nearly 75 percent of H1B visa holders worked for employers ''who did not adequately document'' their wages, that nearly 13 percent ''were paid below the advertised prevailing wage and that 10 percentwere either illegally treated as independent contractors to avoid payroll and administrative costs or contracted out to other employers.

Firm denials

To preserve the current system, employers have spearheaded a campaign tostrip provisions on legal immigration from bills in Congress to reformimmigration laws.


The San Jose Mercury News archives are stored on a SAVE (tm) newspaper library system from Vu/Text Library Services, a Knight-Ridder Inc. company.
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Subject: bioactive proteins as drug sources
From: bfry@aracnet.com (Bryan Grieg Fry)
Date: 11 Nov 1996 04:42:29 GMT
If anyone has any information dealing with specific drugs that are
derivatives of natural proteins, specifically from animal venoms, I would
appreciate any information being emailed directly to me.
Generalised information is not needed, nor is information concerning
specific venom toxins..... I am more concerned with the out come of
clinical trials with specific, verifiable references.
Examples of this would be Protac:  a protein C activator derived from the
venom of the southern copperhead, or SNX-11: a analgesic derived from cone
snail venom.
Anecdotal information shall be disregarded.
Regards,
Bryan
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Subject: Construction/structures academic position opening
From: harichan@egr.msu.edu (Ronald Harichandran)
Date: 11 Nov 1996 08:00:28 GMT
                            FACULTY POSITION 
                          Assistant Professor
                 Structural / Construction Engineering
           Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering
                       Michigan State University
Michigan State University Department of Civil and Environmental
Engineering (CEE) invites applications for a tenure-track assistant
professor position in construction/structural engineering.  A Ph.D. in
civil engineering or construction engineering is required; professional
registration, or progress toward registration, is desirable.  Favorable
consideration will be given to applicants with experience in
professional practice, teaching and research in construction,
construction materials, and design of constructed facilities.  Women and
minorities are strongly encouraged to apply.
Information about the Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering
is available at the WWW site: http://web.egr.msu.edu/CEE.  This new
position will initiate the department's activities in construction
education and research, will provide the construction complement to
active areas (especially structural engineering), and will establish a
cooperative and complementary link to the Building Construction
Management program (BCM) in the Department of Agricultural Engineering.
The successful candidate is expected to teach structural engineering
courses, develop and teach construction/structural engineering topics
(e.g.  construction methods and advanced materials, quality improvement,
design for constructibility, value engineering), develop a sustained
research program, advise graduate students, direct graduate research,
and serve as liaison to the construction industry.  There are
opportunities for research collaboration within CEE (e.g. cementitious
materials), within the College of Engineering (e.g. polymer composite
materials, computer-aided engineering, robotics), and with BCM faculty.
The position is currently available; early applications are encouraged.
Applications will be accepted until February 28, 1997, or until the
position is filled.
Please submit a letter describing research and teaching interests, a
detailed resume, graduate transcript, and the names and addresses of
three or more references to Chairperson, Department of Civil and
Environmental Engineering, Michigan State University, East Lansing, MI
48824-1226.   Please reference academic position number ENG 271 in your
letter.   Applicants who are not U.S. citizens or permanent residents
must state their visa type and status.  Candidates who applied for this
position during spring 1996 and who wish to be reconsidered should state
their interest in a letter; application material need not be resubmitted
unless updating is needed.  Michigan State University is an Affirmative
Action/Equal Opportunity Employer.  Applicants with disabilities have
the right to request and receive reasonable accommodation.
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Subject: Re: H1 and L1 visa brings 150,000 high tech "qualified" immigrants to the US each year, displacing hard working, lower class students
From: Robert Davis
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 23:33:52 -0800
rodan_@primenet.com wrote:
> 
> 

U.S. programs that allow entry to tens of thousands > of permanent and temporary foreign workers fail to protect U.S > workers' jobs or wages and are riddled with abuses that in many > cases have made their original intent a ''sham,'' according to > an audit by the Labor Department's inspector general.

The > audit, > a draft summary of which was obtained by the Washington Post, > found that employers routinely flout requirements > to search for U.S. workers for job openings and to pay the > prevailing wage to the foreigners they hire. The inspector > general's > office, an ''independent agency'' within the Labor Department, > decides autonomously which programs to audit, a > departmentofficial said.

'Unique' skills

> ''The inspector general's report confirms what we've been > saying > for years,'' said Labor Secretary Robert Reich. In particular, > a program that allows annual admissions of up to 65,000 foreign > workers with ''unique'' skills under temporary H1B visas > ''doesn't > work,'' he said.

Employers strongly defend the H1B program > and a category ofemployment-based permanent immigration that > makes > available up to 140,000 immigrant visas for foreign workers and > their families. >

Businesses and immigration advocates say the programs > help > supply U.S. high-tech firms and other businesses with the > world's > ''best and the brightest'' in an increasingly competitive > global > economy and that U.S. workers are protected by existing rules. > Among them are Labor Department requirements that employers > search > for qualified U.S. workers before sponsoring foreign workers as > permanent immigrants and pay ''prevailing wages'' to foreign > temporary workers.

> 'Shopping' services

The inspector general's report said, > however, ''the foreign labor programs we audited do not protect > U.S. workers' jobs > or wages from foreign labor because neither program meets its > legislative intent.''

The program for certifying permanent > employment-based immigrants instead allows foreigners already > in the United > States to obtain permanent resident status ''and then shop > their services in competition with equally or more qualified > U.S. workers without regard to prevailing wage,'' the report > said.

The H1B program, it said, largely ''serves as a > probationary try-out employment program for illegal aliens, > foreign students > and foreign visitors to determine if they will be sponsored for > permanent status.''

> 'Sham' tests

Of 24,150 foreigners for whom employers in 12 > states applied for immigrant status during fiscal 1993, the > audit found, 98.7 > percent were already in the United States and 74.1 percent were > already working for the employer when the application was > filed. > Of those already employed, 16.4 percent were working illegally, > it found.

Market tests for qualified U.S. workers are > ''perfunctory at best and a sham at worst,'' > the report said.

Advertisements or postings for those > 24,150 jobs as required by the Labor Department resulted in > 165,000 applicants, but in > more than 99 percent of the cases a U.S. worker was not hired, > the audit found. This was because the employers were simply > posting the jobs to meet the requirement, a department > spokesman > said.

The audit, begun in April 1995, also showed that few > of > the employers surveyed could prove that they paid their H1B > workers > the prevailing wage. The auditors reported that nearly 75 > percent > of H1B visa holders worked for employers ''who did not > adequately > document'' their wages, that nearly 13 percent ''were paid > below > the advertised prevailing wage and that 10 percentwere either > illegally treated as independent contractors to avoid payroll > and > administrative costs or contracted out to other employers.

> Firm denials

> To preserve the current system, employers have spearheaded a > campaign tostrip > provisions on legal immigration from bills in Congress to > reformimmigration laws. >


The San Jose Mercury News archives are stored on a > SAVE (tm) newspaper > library system from Vu/Text Library Services, a Knight-Ridder > Inc. company. Stop whinning and shut up. You compete aginst your own limitations. There are far too many jobs out there already, just go work.
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Subject: Three Post-doc optics positions at Cambridge University Eng. Dept.
From: tdw@eng.cam.ac.uk (Timmy the dog)
Date: 11 Nov 1996 16:19:05 GMT
The Photonics and Sensors Group within the Department of Engineering
at the University of Cambridge have vacancies for Research Associates 
in the following areas :
1) Non-imaging Optics and Display Illumination
The applicant will join an existing team developing radically new 
flat panel display structures in collaboration with an industrial 
sponsor.  The work will involve both computer modelling and the 
building of experimental systems.
The post will be for one year initially, but it is envisaged that 
there will be excellent opportunities for this period to be extended, 
and/or for career opportunities with the sponsoring company.
The salary for this post is in the range of £14,317 to £18,294 p.a. 
(depending on age), and it is under the supervision of 
Professor W A Crossland and Dr A B Davey.
2) Optically Transparent Fibre Optic Switches
The applicant will be concerned with the design and operation of 
holographic beam steering switches based on ferroelectric liquid 
crystal spatial light modulators in connection with a UK DTI LINK 
project.  He/she will become part of an existing team working on 
SLM design and fabrication.  
The salary for this post, which will run for up to 2 years, is in 
the range of £14,317 to £18,294 p.a. (depending on age), and it is 
under the supervision of Professor W A Crossland and Dr R J Mears.
Applications for either position should be made in writing, 
by 19th December 1996, to:
Professor W A Crossland
Department of Engineering, University of Cambridge,
Trumpington Street, Cambridge, CB2 1PZ
email: cfl@eng.cam.ac.uk
The University follows an equal opportunities policy and aims to 
achieve the highest quality in teaching and research.
UNIVERSITY OF CAMBRIDGE DEPARTMENT OF ENGINEERING
A TEACHING COMPANY ASSOCIATE IS REQUIRED IN THE AREA OF FLAT PANEL 
DISPLAYS BASED ON LIGHT EMITTING POLYMERS
The successful applicant will work as part of a Teaching Company Scheme 
between the Engineering Department and Cambridge Display Technology.  
The work will involve the investigation of light emitting polymers with 
particular focus on graphic display applications.  Experience of device 
aspects of displays or polymers,    or of display addressing would be 
helpful, but not essential.
The post is to commence as soon as possible and run for up to 2 years. 
The salary will be in the range of £14,317 to £18,294 p.a. 
(depending on age).
Applications should be sent to : 
Professor W.A. Crossland, 
Department of Engineering, 
Trumpington Street, 
Cambridge, CB2 1PZ
email: cfl@eng.cam.ac.uk
and should be received by  19th December 1996.
The University follows an equal opportunities policy and aims to achieve 
the highest quality in teaching and research.
-- 
Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof
Timmy the dog
Dr Timothy D. Wilkinson
Cambridge University         Tel +44 1223 339709
Engineering Department       Fax +44 1223 332064
Trumpington St
Cambridge CB2 1PZ            RIP Win '95
"Oooooo look Timmy has fallen over" - The Famous Five
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Subject: Three Post-doc optics positions at Cambridge University Eng. Dept.
From: tdw@eng.cam.ac.uk (Timmy the dog)
Date: 11 Nov 1996 16:19:05 GMT
The Photonics and Sensors Group within the Department of Engineering
at the University of Cambridge have vacancies for Research Associates 
in the following areas :
1) Non-imaging Optics and Display Illumination
The applicant will join an existing team developing radically new 
flat panel display structures in collaboration with an industrial 
sponsor.  The work will involve both computer modelling and the 
building of experimental systems.
The post will be for one year initially, but it is envisaged that 
there will be excellent opportunities for this period to be extended, 
and/or for career opportunities with the sponsoring company.
The salary for this post is in the range of £14,317 to £18,294 p.a. 
(depending on age), and it is under the supervision of 
Professor W A Crossland and Dr A B Davey.
2) Optically Transparent Fibre Optic Switches
The applicant will be concerned with the design and operation of 
holographic beam steering switches based on ferroelectric liquid 
crystal spatial light modulators in connection with a UK DTI LINK 
project.  He/she will become part of an existing team working on 
SLM design and fabrication.  
The salary for this post, which will run for up to 2 years, is in 
the range of £14,317 to £18,294 p.a. (depending on age), and it is 
under the supervision of Professor W A Crossland and Dr R J Mears.
Applications for either position should be made in writing, 
by 19th December 1996, to:
Professor W A Crossland
Department of Engineering, University of Cambridge,
Trumpington Street, Cambridge, CB2 1PZ
email: cfl@eng.cam.ac.uk
The University follows an equal opportunities policy and aims to 
achieve the highest quality in teaching and research.
UNIVERSITY OF CAMBRIDGE DEPARTMENT OF ENGINEERING
A TEACHING COMPANY ASSOCIATE IS REQUIRED IN THE AREA OF FLAT PANEL 
DISPLAYS BASED ON LIGHT EMITTING POLYMERS
The successful applicant will work as part of a Teaching Company Scheme 
between the Engineering Department and Cambridge Display Technology.  
The work will involve the investigation of light emitting polymers with 
particular focus on graphic display applications.  Experience of device 
aspects of displays or polymers,    or of display addressing would be 
helpful, but not essential.
The post is to commence as soon as possible and run for up to 2 years. 
The salary will be in the range of £14,317 to £18,294 p.a. 
(depending on age).
Applications should be sent to : 
Professor W.A. Crossland, 
Department of Engineering, 
Trumpington Street, 
Cambridge, CB2 1PZ
email: cfl@eng.cam.ac.uk
and should be received by  19th December 1996.
The University follows an equal opportunities policy and aims to achieve 
the highest quality in teaching and research.
-- 
Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof Woof
Timmy the dog
Dr Timothy D. Wilkinson
Cambridge University         Tel +44 1223 339709
Engineering Department       Fax +44 1223 332064
Trumpington St
Cambridge CB2 1PZ            RIP Win '95
"Oooooo look Timmy has fallen over" - The Famous Five
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Subject: New Career Discussion Group
From: davej@sedona.net (Dave Jensen)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:06:32 -0800
The New Bio Online "Career Discussion Forum" has just completed its first
week of operation. It is a fun newsgroup-style environment, in which you
are free to post questions, gripes, concerns and ideas to your peers and
colleagues in the sciences.
You'll find our new forum at http://cns.bio.com/hr/forum/
This is a moderated discussion, with no postings or resumes or open jobs,
etc, and in the first week the group has discussed the following thread
topics:
* How can I find a temporary lab research job? 
* What impact will the recent US election have on the biotech/pharma job market?
* Should I get an MS or a PhD?
* Resume Writing Tip
* Where are the Jobs?
* Summer employment
* Some REAL Advice 
* Temp and employment agencies
* Industry in Boulder CO
* MS vs PhD - Again 
* Jobs in private firms? 
* How did you do the science to business swtich? 
* Job application time?
* Bad Relationship with Professor - How to Recover?
* Computational science as a career -
* Salaries in industry
* Molecular Biology as a career
Best regards,
Dave Jensen, moderator
smi@sedona.net
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Subject: Just Testing
From: MA FASSIHI
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 20:05:43 +0000 (GMT)
	Please ignore. Testing!
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Subject: Re: Engineering PhD's
From: "Haris J. Sih"
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:45:56 -0500
> fields such as civil, mechanical or chemical. What is the job market like
> for those who have doctorates in engineering fields.
  In short, it sucks, probably not as badly as for PhD's in other areas,
but it still sucks.
  Let's first make a broad division of all jobs between academic and
industry positions.  As anyone will tell you, academia is getting
overcrowded, both in terms of the number of PhD's and in terms of the
shrinking supply of funding.  If you're really good AND if you're doing
work in a very hot area, you MIGHT be able to get funding and survive
the tenure process.  But it's a real crapshoot.
  Industry positions for engineering PhD's seem to be subdivided into
research positions and everything else.  For the "everything else"
catagory, it seems that a Master's degree is preferable.  A PhD is
better...if you happen to have EXACTLY the right skills-set to fit the
position.  Usually, as a PhD, you've gotten so overspecialized that
finding that perfect match is EXTREMELY difficult.  I think that
companies prefer to have "generalists" for most positions, and MS
degrees usually fit the bill more so than PhD's.  For research positions
in industry, there are so few (and the numbers may be dwindling) that
competition is fierce, and again, you need to have a fairly close match
in skills to make things appealing for the company.  Your career
advancement opportunities in research may also be murky depending on the
company and the industry in general.
  Someone else had posted the fact that post-doc appointments seem to be
optional for engineers.  One qualification I would add is that engineers
doing experimental work, e.g. biomedical applications, may need to start
thinking about post-doctoral positions more carefully.  It might be an
opportunity to broaden your skills-set and test the academic waters.
  Just another opinion from someone who should've stopped at the
Master's degree.
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Subject: Re: Engineering PhD's
From: jbszee@worldnet.att.net
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 21:37:18 GMT
username  wrote:
>There has been a lot of talk here about the bad situation for PhD's in 
>the biological sciences who just end up going thru one postdoc after the 
>other. But what about those who get doctorates in one of the engineering 
>fields such as civil, mechanical or chemical. What is the job market like 
>for those who have doctorates in engineering fields.
I don't know much about the biological sciences area, but most of my
engineering Ph.D. friends seem to change jobs rather frequently, with
about a 3-5 year cycle.  The only exceptions to this are those who
have found positions with the GOVERNMENT (NIST, National Labs, NCAR,
NOAA, etc).  These positions seem to be in effect tenured positions.
Base funding and major research programs seem to be fairly stable.
Once in these positions, even if base funding goes away, the
reputation of the institution and the researcher seem to assure
continued funding.  Those who got into the ACADEMIC arena immediately
after their degree also do well, although they may have to move around
(shorter cycle) until they find the appropriate university.  People
that went to research labs for MAJOR CORPORATIONS (e.g. G.E.,  etc.)
are constantly under the threat of having their research funding cut,
and having to go into the operating groups, or having to leave
altogether.  I went to work for a SMALL COMPANY.  Some of my friends
asked me how I felt working for a small firm, and I answered (smugly)
that I had a job, and they were looking.  After 5 years, the company
switched focus, and as the highest paid employee and only Ph.D. (aside
from the owner/president) my services were no longer required.  The
company was very lean.  In my last few months, I was working furiously
to keep my customers happy, and did not have the time to write more
proposals.  When the existing funding ran out, I was shown the door.
Because the company was so lean, it could not support me for the time
it would take to get more funding in place (~6-9 mo review cycle).
In a larger company, there might have been temporary support, but the
attitude I am hearing is profit driven-if the company can't forsee
profit in a fairly short time, funding is cut.  In today's lean
environment, there is simply less  funding available for research
which does not look profitable in a very short time.  
>To what extent does the discipline and area of research make a 
>difference. I recall that Dan Riley posted sometime back how he 
>researched different areas in physics before commiting to the area of his 
>choice and how his choice enabled him to end up getting several offers 
>after graduation. But that may have been an isolated case. 
I don't think that is really isolated.  The problem is that the cycle
time to get through a Ph.D. program is about the same as the cycle
time for "hot" areas.  If you can predict what will be "hot" 5 years
from now, you will do just fine.  But if you can predict the next hot
area, then you should also be able to take your money to the race
track or the stock market, and do even better.  I wish I had jumped on
the Hi-T superconductor bandwagon when I started my Ph.D.  
>Recently one gentleman with degrees in materials engineering from MIT 
>posted about his layoff from his research job. Is the job market 
>really that bad for PhD's in all disciplines? How easy (or difficult) is 
>it for someone with a doctorate to find a job as a research engineer?
I'm the guy with the materials engineering degrees from MIT.  I have
not heard of much in the way of research positions.  Most of the
positions I've heard of are very applications (product development)
oriented.  Very often firms are looking for very specific skills and
experience.  Yes, I could have had a job by now, but I am in a rather
unique (or maybe not) position.  Since 1981, my family has lived in 5
states (NM, UT, MA, MT, CO).  Moving was fairly easy when the kids
were younger, and you could just plug them into elementary school.
Now, 2 of the kids are in high school, for the first time in their
lives have friends they have known for >5 years, and are looking
forward to graduating with them.  We are also involved in the
community (Boy Scouts, etc), and would find it difficult to break and
reestablish those connections.  Further, most of the interest has been
in places we do not want to go to (e.g. California), after having
lived in Boulder, Colorado for 6 years.  Am I spoiled?  Probably.  But
I am tired of being a migrant worker, and I want to stay where my
family is somewhat established.  I've tried all of the local large and
small companies doing work even remotely related to my background.
But they are looking for people with very specific skill sets who can
hit the ground running, and they are able to find them because of the
generally poor job market for engineers.  I even applied for a senior
technician job with a local company.  I was willing to work as an tech
to learn about the company's research area, then hopefully move up.  I
was interviewed in the waiting room, told I could do the job with one
hand tied behind my back, but was turned down cold, because  I would
upset the chemistry of the company.  
The next option for someone such as myself is to open my own research
business.  Good idea, if you can come up with  lots of seed money.
Otherwise, you must rely on grants, e.g. SBIR, to get started.  A 1
out of 10 acceptance rate for SBIR's proposals is typical.  But I
digress. 
Regarding the question:   How difficult is it for a Ph.D. to find a
research engineer position?  Two words:  good luck.  Be prepared to
beat the bushes, call in favors from everyone you know, and network,
network, network....  You will probably be able to find something,
somewhere.  But you had better be flexible, cuz you probably won't be
doing work in your research area, but rather something tangentially
related to your experience.  
>I have to make a decision whether or not I should actually be going all 
>the way for a PhD. Having seen the cases of many a friends and after 
>reading posts, I am starting to wonder if a PhD is really worth all the 
>time, money and effort. Any help would do.
Let me summarize (with homage to David Letterman) the top 10 reasons
to pursue a Ph.D.:
10.
9.
8.
7.
6.
5.
4.
3.
2.
1.  Because you really want to do it.  
Good luck, 
Dr. James B. Schutz
Materials Engineer
Boulder, Colorado
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Subject: Re: New Career Discussion Group
From: DrHeasley@Chemistry.com (Frank Heasley)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:32:25 GMT
On Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:06:32 -0800, davej@sedona.net (Dave Jensen)
wrote:
|The New Bio Online "Career Discussion Forum" has just completed its first
|week of operation.
(el snippo)
So you've given up on src and opted for a forum you can censor, eh
Dave?
Frank Heasley, Ph.D.
Principal
FSG Online - Jobs and Resumes in Biotechnology, Science and Medicine
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Subject: RESUME: Recent biology grad (BS)
From: Jonathan Diehl
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 20:38:04 -0600
Jonathan Diehl
15635 Ferncreek Drive
St. Louis, MO. 63017
Home Phone 314-519-1988
Email:  jdiehl@usa.net
OBJECTIVE
To obtain an entry-level position in the biological/chemical industry
with an opportunity to grow and advance.
SUMMARY
I have a strong background in biology and chemistry.  I am also very
goal/task oriented and possess excellent problem solving skills.  My
sales experience has provided me with exceptional communication and
interpersonal skills.  I am a self starter and work well on my own as
well as with other people.  I work very well with my hands and have a
creative mind.  I love working on projects and have had much experience
in laboratory and clinical settings during my undergraduate and dental
school studies.  
EDUCATION
1995-1996  University of Missouri-Kansas City, School of Dentistry
After one year of school, decided not to pursue a career as a dentist.
1991-1995  Southwest Missouri State University, Bachelor of Science
Majored in Biology, Minored in Chemistry.  Course work with labs: 
Genetics, Microbiology, Cell/Molecular Biology, Zoology, Botany,
Anatomy, Physiology, Biometry, Biochemistry, General Chemistry I & II,
Organic Chemistry I & II, Physics I & II.  Additional courses in:
Calculus, Accounting, and Management.
LABORATORY EXPERIENCE
--DNA Extraction and Purification
--DNA Cloning and Sequencing
--Centrifuge machinery
--Qualitative and Quantitative Analysis
--Electrophoresis, Spectroscopy, and Chromatography
--IR/NMR, Atomic Absorbency, Spectrophotometry
--Bacterial Cell Culture and Slide Preparation
WORK HISTORY
1995-present  Self Employed, Entrepreneur
Recruited independent representatives for network marketing companies
such as Nutrition For Life International and Destiny Telecom.  This
involved giving presentations at business opportunity meetings,
prospecting, telemarketing, direct mailing, and selling various
nutritional and telecommunications products.
1993-1995  Novelties Stand Manager/Vendor, Ogden Entertainment Services
Set up and managed novelty stands for events at Riverport Amphitheater
during the summer concert season.  Responsibilities included:  counting
and validation of inventory, designing stand display, selling novelty
items to concert attendees, handling and counting large sums of
cash/credit cards, managing stand attendants.
COMPUTER SKILLS
--Proficient with Windows 95/3.1 and DOS operating systems, including
Microsoft Word/Excel/Works software.
--Skilled in accessing information on the internet, desktop publishing,
word processing, database, and spreadsheets.
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Subject: RESEARCH POSITION: thrombosis - biochemistry/biophysics
From: axelsen@axe1.med.upenn.edu (Paul H Axelsen)
Date: 12 Nov 1996 13:23:09 GMT
We are seeking a person for biochemical/biophysical research on membrane
damage, thrombogenesis, and atherogenesis at Penn.  The position may be
configurable as a
                     Research Technician,
                     Post-Doctoral Fellowship,
                     Research Associate, or
                     Assistant Professor, Research Track
as appropriate for the background, experience, and goals of the applicant.
The project involves infrared spectroscopy, fluorescence spectroscopy,
and various forms of mass spectrometry.  This is an excellent opportunity
for someone seeking experience at the Chemistry/Biology interface on a
problem of broad biomedical importance.
For more information, please inquire via Email.
-- 
--------------------- axe@pharm.med.upenn.edu --------------------------------
Paul H. Axelsen MD            ....   ....  .   .  .   .    215-898-9238 (ofc)
Department of Pharmacology    .   .  .     ..  .  ..  .    215-898-9766 (lab)
University of Pennsylvania    ....   ...   . . .  . . .    215-573-2236 (fax)
3620 Hamilton Walk            .      .     .  ..  .  ..
Philadelphia, PA 19104-6084   .      ....  .   .  .   .
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Subject: Demande d'emploi: biologie génétique/moléculaire
From: cddp34@cge-ol.fr
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 07:21:03 -0600
Jeune Fille anglaise 21 ans, cherche emploi en biologie génétique
ou moléculaire près de Montpellier - FRANCE.
Diplôme: 'BSc "hons" applied biology' June 96
Expérience:
         * Année 96: projet de recherche: analyse de la séquence algG
	impliquée dans la biosynthèse de l'alginate des Pseudomonas
	aeruginosa.
         * Juin à Juillet 95: stage à GENOME pour le CNRS
	(Montpellier-France): analyse d'ADN et d'ApolipoproteinE
	 impliqués dans la maladie d'Alzheimer.
Contact: Sarah BATEMAN
	 34000 MONTPELLIER - FRANCE
             Tél: 04.67.02.27.81
	 E-mail:  cddp34@cge-ol.fr
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