Subject: Re: probability is relativistic
From: Klaus Kassner
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:42:54 +0200
Dr Michael Mattes wrote:
>
> Christopher McKinstry (chris@clickable.com) wrote:
> > I believe probability is relativistic.
>
> > Here’s a simple experiment you can try at home to demonstrate
> > probability changing with speed:
>
> > 1) Let "V" the maximum number of digits you can write per second.
> > 2) In "T" seconds, write down a random number in decimal form.
>
> > Now, the maximum number you could have written is "9" repeated VT times.
> > This is your Reality Radius "RR". The fact you even have one proves
> > probability behaves relativistically.
>
> > Consider, as V decreases, there comes a point at which the only number
> > you have time to write is "1".
Why do you think it takes more time to write "9" than "1"? Also it does
not take more time to write "pi", i.e. to indicate a number with infinitely many
digits than 1. So your idea is not very well-founded.
Subject: measurement error
From: sada@okabe.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Yukio Sadahiro)
Date: 25 Oct 1996 05:10:15 GMT
Dear colleagues,
Suppose we have two sets
X: { x1, x2, x3, x4, x5 }
and
Y: { y1, y2, y3, y4, y5 }.
I would like to test whether elements of set X have smaller values
than those of set Y. One of the most popular methods for this is
Wilcoxson's U-test, which requires no assumption on the distribution
of samples unlike t-test.
The question is the following: if the values of elements include
measurement error and the probability distiribution of this error is
known, how can we execute nonparametric tests to compare the above
sets? Can we say "the probability that Nthe null hypothesis is rejected
at significant level 5% is 70%?" Is there a standard method to handle
with this problem? Any comments and recommendation of textbooks
are welcome.
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* University of Tokyo
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Subject: Beta pdf question: Non-integer parameter values
From: David Stretch
Date: 26 Oct 1996 12:19:25 +0100
This question may highlight greater ignorance on my part than I realise.
My apologies if this is so...
My reading of Bayesian theory and issues concerning Beta distributions
all give formulae similar to this for its density function:
p(x) = x^{a-1}(1-x)^{b-1}/B(a,b) (0 < x < 1)
(with slight modification sometimes, which I *think* doesn't affect
the sense of my question.) The beta function, B(a,b) is defined in
terms of gamma functions, thus:
B(a,b) = Gamma(a)Gamma(b)/Gamma(a+b)
Normally, the values given to a and b in the examples I have seen are
whole number, integer values. However, within certain *other* restrictions,
the gamma and beta functions do not have this constraint. The case I am
interested in (when a and b might take on any positive real value) seems to
fall within the permitted region of these other restrictions. As far as I
can see, there is also no intrinsic restriction or constraint for a and b
to take on whole number integer values when they are used, as above, in
the beta probability distribution. It seems to then be possible that a
justification might exist for allowing a and b to take on fractional,
positive real values in the beta probability distributions, above. I feel
fairly sure that this follows (which may show my ignorance), and that the
only obstacle to using beta distributions where one has fractional, positive
real values for the parameters, a and b, would be in justifying its use
in a particular application ("proving" or substantiating the isomorphism
between the pure statistical model and the practical application, I
suppose.) If necessary, for the sake of argument, I would prefer us to
take as axiomatic the assumption that Bayesian techniques are *not* ruled
out on other grounds?
My question is: does the above reasoning seem valid? i.e., the weak part
to any use of beta distributions with fractional, positive real values
for the parameters a and b, as defined above, would be in justifying the
application of such a distribution to a practical real-life problem? I
do have one such application in mind, and feel that the link between
theory and application is the one I need to pay *hard* attention to.
Many thanks
--
David Stretch: Greenwood Institute of Child Health, Univ. of Leicester, UK.
dds@leicester.ac.uk Phone:+44 (0)116-254-6100 Fax:+44 (0)116-254-4127
Subject: Re: measurement error
From: aacbrown@aol.com (AaCBrown)
Date: 26 Oct 1996 14:13:22 -0400
sada@okabe.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Yukio Sadahiro) in
<54pi3o$e13@t-server.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> writes:
> Suppose we have two sets: X: { x1, x2, x3, x4, x5 } and
> Y: { y1, y2, y3, y4, y5 }. I would like to test whether elements
> of set X have smaller values than those of set Y. . . .[I]f the
> values of elements include measurement error and the
> probability distiribution of this error is known, how can we
> execute nonparametric tests to compare the above sets?
> Can we say "the probability that Nthe null hypothesis is
> rejected at significant level 5% is 70%?"
You could say that, although I do not think it is a useful formulation for
communicating results. Generally we prefer to put all uncertainty into one
number, either significance level or confidence. Except in very
specialized situations, there is not much use distinguishing between
measurement error and sample uncertainty.
This means you must choose between either (1) throwing away the
information about the distribution of measurement error or (2) using a
parametric test for differences. The reason is that the distribution of
measurement error is irrelevant unless you know (or assume) something
about the distribution of X-Y differences.
Aaron C. Brown
New York, NY
Subject: Re: Beta pdf question: Non-integer parameter values
From: radford@cs.toronto.edu (Radford Neal)
Date: 26 Oct 96 19:36:30 GMT
In article <54ss3t$g2d@hawk.le.ac.uk>,
David Stretch wrote:
>My reading of Bayesian theory and issues concerning Beta distributions
>all give formulae similar to this for its density function:
>
>p(x) = x^{a-1}(1-x)^{b-1}/B(a,b) (0 < x < 1)
>
>(with slight modification sometimes, which I *think* doesn't affect
>the sense of my question.) The beta function, B(a,b) is defined in
>terms of gamma functions, thus:
>
>B(a,b) = Gamma(a)Gamma(b)/Gamma(a+b)
>
>Normally, the values given to a and b in the examples I have seen are
>whole number, integer values. However, within certain *other* restrictions,
>the gamma and beta functions do not have this constraint. The case I am
>interested in (when a and b might take on any positive real value) seems to
>fall within the permitted region of these other restrictions. As far as I
>can see, there is also no intrinsic restriction or constraint for a and b
>to take on whole number integer values when they are used, as above, in
>the beta probability distribution.
That's right. The beta distribution is defined as above for any real
values for a and b that are greater than zero. In a Bayesian
analysis, there is no reason not to use such values if they seem
appropriate for the problem. If a and/or b are less than one, the
density function has singularities at 0 and/or 1, but the integrals
are finite, so no problem arises in a fully Bayesian analysis. The
non-Bayesian procedure of using the maximum a posteriori probability
estimate may not make much sense in the presence of such singularies,
however.
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Subject: Re: Reference needed for Metropolis Algorithm
From: mcohen@cpcug.org (Michael Cohen)
Date: 27 Oct 1996 00:29:22 GMT
Myron Hlynka (hlynka@uwindsor.ca) wrote:
: I need a reference for the Metropolis algorithm for finding
: Markov transition matrices fro a given limiting vector.
:
: Reference please??
The original historical reference is
Metropolis, N., Rosenbluth, A.W., Rosenbluth, M.N., Teller, A.H., and
Teller, E. (1953) Equations of state calculations by fast computing
machine. J. Chem. Phys., 21, 1087-1091.
I suggest getting the recent volume of collected papers Markov Chain Monte
Carlo in Practice (1996) edited by W.R. Gilks, S. Richardson, and D.J.
Spiegelhalter, London: Chapman & Hall.
--
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1615 Q Street NW #T-1 office phone 202-219-1917
Washington, DC 20009-6331 office fax 202-219-2061
mcohen@cpcug.org