Subject: Re: R14
From: waiwhite@zip.com.au (Ian A. White)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 08:21:24 GMT
On Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:11:42 GMT, AutoCIE@icon.co.za (Chris Edge)
wrote:
>Long time back I was told that Autodesk have two development teams
>working on AutoCAD. One team develop and then support the "ODD"
>releases. The other team develop and then support the "EVEN" releases.
>
>See a trend developing here 2.5, 9, 11, 13 bad. 2.6, 10, 12 good.
>
>So it is the GOOD guys that are working on Release 14, lets give them
>our support with positive input for what we would like to see in
>Release 14.
I like this one. I am thinking of framing it.
>My pet hate in Rel 13 is dimensioning. Yes some of the features are
>good but what was so wrong with dimensioning in Rel 12 that they had
>to take a backwards step in the editing of dimensions. MTEXT as the
>default. You can't mirror a dimension without having to update the
>text etc.
>
>I have also seen somewhere that Autodesk are thinking of producing
>Release 14 in modular form. Back to the days of Ver 2.xx + ADE's
The sooner this is done, the better. Not only will it offer choice
again, it will be a far easier to maintain and fix problems. At the
moment, there can be many modules which access a function or
procedure, and this makes changing it a nightmare.
>The Advanced Drafting Extensions had some optional features that
>"might" be of use to the AutoCAD user.
>
>Some of the "Optional Extras" in ADE-1 were FILLETS and HATCHING
>
>ADE-2 had OBJECT SNAP, MIRROR and ATTRIBUTES for blocks.
>
>ADE-3 had POLYLINES, you could FREEZE a layer, Objects could be
>HIGHLIGHTED during object selection (on most display devices). And the
>big one AutoLISP.
>
>This wasn't a bad idea you only paid for what you needed.
I don;t think they need to go that far, but certainly things like
rendering, solids modelling, data extensions and the like should be
optional.
>Problem today is that if you only want to do simple 2D drawings you
>can use AutoCAD LT, but if you need to do a little bit more than basic
>2D work you have to buy the full AutoCAD Release 12/13.
>
>75% of my clients would be happy if the CORE MODULE of Release 14 had
>the features of AutoCAD Release 10, as implemented in AutoCAD Release
>12. With the option to buy additional plug-in modules if required.
AutoCAD LT with AutoLISP would be a huge hit, even if the AutoLISP
with it did not allow for the definition of new commands. What I mean
is that if you want to use it, it has to load and run the routine each
time you call it.
>We would probably end up paying more per feature that we used, but the
>overall cost to the average user would be lower because he/she is only
>paying for what they need.
You should never look at things in dollars per function. It may give
you an impressive answer, but if you looked at the price in terms of
dollars per function you actually use, you might get a not so nice
answer.
Regards,
Ian A. White, CPEng
waiwhite@zip.com.au
WAI Engineering
Sydney 2000
Australia
Subject: Re: Drafting Software Survey
From: waiwhite@zip.com.au (Ian A. White)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 08:21:09 GMT
On Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:17:19 -0600, Andrew Kidd
wrote:
>Mayer/Reed wrote:
>> Well, I AM a woman draftsman, and I couldn't care less! Won't it be nice
>> when women can be secure enough in their equality to not fuss about
>> minor issues??
>>
>> Su Elliott
>> Mayer/Reed
>
>Thank you Su, this is what I was getting at! We all should have a lot more to worry about
>than titles...
Precisely.
Look, various titles describe jobs, callings, etc. It is the attitude
of the people that is important. What is wrong is when people are
made to feel guilty because of a title used.
Me, when I saw the survey request, I read draftsmen as being nothing
more than plural (i.e. more than one respondent required). I know of
many women who are offended when referred to as "draftsperson" or
"draftswoman". They know who and what they are and they are at ease
with it.
Quite frankly, you would find arguments if we were referred to as cats
and dogs. It is attitudes that are important, and not the words used
to describe people. I live and work in Blacktown. Now, no one here
objects to it, however some outside pressure groups have wanted to
change it, because to them it has certain connotations and they are
uncomfortable using the word. This is the problem.
Take the case of an advertisement for Simpson washing machines. It
shows Indian dhobis (clothes washers) examining the new product. The
voice-over comments on the strength and durability of the machine.
Then one of the dhobis gets hold of the plug and looks oddly at it.
The next shot you see is the dhobis beating their clothes on it
because as the advertisement says "it's as solid as a rock".
A local national TV commentator criticised the advertisement saying
that it showed a stereotypical view of "stupid Indian dhobis not
knowing what to do with an electric plug". Far from it, they know
what a power plug is, it is just that they don't all have access to a
power socket, hence, use something that is built like a rock as one.
What this shows is that we carry the baggage of all our own prejudices
and guilt when we comment on anything. In the case of the drafting
survey, there was no malicious intent. It is the "spin" that has been
put on things by everyone who has commented on it, and their own
perceptions that has made this into something.
Now for something completely different. The spelling checker I just
ran suggested I replace dhobis with dhotis. For those who don't know,
a dhoti is the traditional garment work by Indian men.
Regards,
Ian A. White, CPEng
waiwhite@zip.com.au
WAI Engineering
Sydney 2000
Australia
Subject: Re: Cad color to line/weight standards
From: "Peter Katzur" <686511@ican.net>
Date: 14 Nov 1996 13:13:40 GMT
Paul Hoffer wrote in article <3288C9EC.4D63@ior.com>...
> Hi there
> My company is reviewing the cad standards and I was wondering if anyone
> knows of any recognized standards for:
>
> color to line type
>
> color to line weight
>
> Please e-mail if you know of any and where the might be obtained.
>
> Thanks alot
>
> Paul Hoffer - KACC
>
This is a favorite topic of mine and our company standard has been in
use since we used 4 shade monitors and it seems to work quite well.
Basically, there are 4 line widths in drafting
.25 mm like dimension, center and phantom lines
.35 mm for text and hidden lines
.50 for object lines
.7 for borders & thick lines
Since Autocad initially had an 8 pen set up and most plotters
have a minimum of an 8 pen setting, 2 colors can be assigned
to each thickness.
Now since we prefer the black background, and we want the object
lines to be the most distinguishable we picked white. Most times
a second color is required for this thickness. Green is nice and
bright as well
white, green = .5 mm - continuous - object
Now we want the dimension lines to be in the background so as
not to be as noticeable as the object lines. Blue suits this.
Center lines are required to stand out more than the dimension
lines but not as much as object lines so yellow was chosen for
centerlines.
blue = .25 mm - continuous - dimension
yellow = .25 - center - center
Text must be more noticeable than the dimension lines but still
secondary to the object lines. Red was selected. As with the
second object line color a second .35 mm color was needed .
Hidden lines are .35. We made them cyan.
red = .35 mm - text
cyan = .35 hidden - hidden
For the border outline and other thick lines the color magenta
was used . It doesn't distract from the rest of the drawing.
The remaining pen (of 8 pens) was also used for thick lines.
magenta, alternate = .7 mm
This is the beauty of autocad that everyone can have there own
settings to suit their needs / requirements. We have this in our
in house cad standard and we request vendors to provide
the finished dwg file in this format. They can do it however
they want and then change them at the end easy enough.
Subject: Re: Object refresh after a move
From: Lu
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:02:49 -0800
Tom Crandall wrote:
>
> I just updated to R13c4a...
> Before, when I erased or moved an object, the object underneath would be
> redrawn (refreshed) automatically.
> Example: erase a wide polyline created on top of a circle... the circle
> used to refresh and complete the circumference automatically. Now there
> is no line where the wide polyline was.
Hi Tom,
To my knowledge, standard AutoCAD commands will not redraw entities hidden
due to their order in the drawing database after move, erase, etc. Is it
possible you using a special video driver or customized move command before?
This should do what you are asking;
^C^Cselect;box;\move;p;;\\redraw
P.S. This is a case where r13win shines. It was a "piece of cake" creating
and testing this menu macro. If I could only get my Hitachi puck to operate
like r12 DOS, AutoDESK would have a winner.
Cheers,
Lu
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Subject: Re: AutoCAD can do anything (well almost)
From: gm@HL-Technik.de (Georg Mischler)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:08:04 GMT
"Michael A. Graham" writes:
>
> : The nice thing about AutoCAD is that just about *anything* can be done.
> : With the addition of ARX, those that wish to can do just about anything
> : with its power.
>
> Has anybody had any luck with 3d curve fitting with 3d polylines (not just
> splining)
>
> How about sweeping a 3d polyline to make a tube (easy to do with a 2d
> polyline)?
Mike,
Check http://www.schorsch.com/autocad/tube.lsp
It may not be perfect, and it is definitively *very* slow when
fitting huge polylines, but it will give you an impression what can
be done with autocad and autolisp in a reasoanly simple fashion.
(No ARX needed, btw)
Ahem... though I still don't get the exact difference you seem to
make between "curve fitting" and "splining".
-Georg
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Subject: Function Keypad released
From: CFWJ28A@prodigy.com (Joseph Meshi)
Date: 14 Nov 1996 15:56:40 GMT
NEWS RELEASE
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact:Joseph Meshi
Irvine, California U.S.A Comdex S8104
http://www.genovation.com Tel:(714)833-3355
E-Mail: Genovation.com FAX: (714)833-0322
Genovation Announces New Programmable Function Keypad
Genovation today announced the introduction and immediate
delivery of the Function Keypad 35, model 681. The Function Keypad
35 is a compact, all-purpose, commercial grade, programmable 35-key
computer input device. Its principal purpose is to provide single
keystroke macros for commonly used key-press sequences thus
eliminating the need for time consuming, repetitious and error
prone typing of commands. Typical applications for the Function
Keypad 35 include control of equipment and specialized software
programs, and rapid entry of computer commands in lieu of windows
icons for speed sensitive applications such as CAD or flight
simulation games.
The Model 681 interfaces to any computer via the RS232 serial port,
and is fully programmable. The user may elect to individually
define and store up to 70 custom macros (2 per key) in nonvolatile
memory within the keypad, or create, store, then download macros or
groups of macros from the computer at any time. Included software
allows the keypad to be read by the computer either as a serial
device or as a keyboard. An alternative mode allows the use of a
much large number - perhaps hundreds of macros - directly from the
computer's hard disk. A macro may be as long as 64 characters.
The Function Keypad 35 keys are arranged in a matrix format of 7 by
5 relegendable keys, and any two adjacent keys may be replaced by
a double key. Custom keys are also available from Genovation. The
dark gray keypad measures 15 x 11 cm (6" x 4.5"), and weighs under
400 grams.
Genovation is the leading provider of numeric keypads for notebook
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Subject: Re:
From: desim@mid.org
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:41:10 -0600
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In article <56ct2q$nr6@iserver.dolby.com>,
sk@dolby.com wrote:
>
> I launch R13 and then open a drawing either with OPEN or by selecting
> it from the list of four files near the bottom of the FILE pulldown.
> Is there any way to make R13 stop displaying the "Save Changes to
> UNNAMED?" window from appearing when I do this? Since I haven't
> done anything between launching R13 and the command to open a file it
> seems unnecessary for ACAD to be asking that question. What
> "Changes"?
> Steve K
>
Steve,
Maybe your prototype drawing is REL.12 ???
If so, when starting a new drawing (which is what you do when launching
AutoCAD) AutoCAD will convert the prototype to rel 13 hence the change.
if not, maybe your acad.lsp file has a command
to do something. You can test this by renaming your acad.lsp file
to something else.
good luck
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Modesto Irrigation District
Electrical Engineering Technician
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Subject: Re: Autocad - Microstation conversion
From: "Phil Chouinard [Bentley]"
Date: 14 Nov 1996 17:09:20 GMT
gibb@eastcoast.co.za (user) wrote:
[snip]
>We tried via DXF and straight DWG. We also took a .dgn and converted
>it to a .dwg and then back to a .dgn and had problems in the latter
>dgn. We have microstation v5 and Autocad R12 DOS.
Ari: Thanks for the additional information. If you could provide us
with samples and specific product data (i.e.: specific MicroStation
version number (Help > About -> all 8 digits may be important on our
end), we'll definitely look into this. By your E-mail address, it
seems as though our Europe group would be most appropriate for you.
They can be contacted via mailto:support@bentley.nl. HTH
BTW, there's an unmoderated USENET newsgroup dedicated primarily to
MicroStation-related issues at news:comp.cad.microstation that you
might be interested in taking a look at.
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Subject: Adobe Postscript
From: Steve Wellcome
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:45:14 -0800
Postscript is a text formatting language. It's typically
generated by text processing/typesetting/publishing software.
The resulting output can be fed to a printer that understands
the Postscript language to produce formatted output. Although
one can write directly in Postscript, it's pretty painful.
There are books available that describe the language, if you're
really interested in it.
As for your question, do you need it? Probably not. Microsoft
doesn't believe in it (they're on the TrueType bandwagon).
AutoCAD doesn't need it. Adobe Photoshop might use it, but I
bet Photoshop doesn't absolutely need it either. If you're just
doing graphics stuff you almost certainly don't need it. Postscript
can do graphics, but it's primarily for text.
(Usual disclaimers....)
Subject: HELP! Cannot print...what is ACIS error?
From: jhata@sure.net (Junji Hata)
Date: 14 Nov 1996 18:30:06 GMT
I'm having a problem with printing. If I try to print a
drawing, ACAD gives me a message "ACIS error - 1073741678
Stack check." and cannot print properly. (It print, but most
entities are missing.) What is this error? Why it happens
and how can I fix it?
I use ACAD R13c3 with Win3.1, Pentium, 48MB RAM. The printer
is HP Laserjet 4M. Driver is installed correctly. In ACAD
configuration, System Printer is chosen as a plotting device.
Any response will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
--
Junji Hata, Los Angeles
jhata@sure.net
Subject: XREF path question
From: "David E. Gonsalves"
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:26:09 GMT
I've received a drawing from one of our consultants, where they have xref'd
about 12-15 DWGs. I have all of the xref DWGs, or at least I think I do.
They all have the original paths bound to the xref (which seems to be a
network drive, I could put the xrefs on another of our machines, copy the
files over, and map the drive, but that seems stupid and
counterproductive), I've tried to redirect the path using the XREF PATH
command, but it keeps puking.
So, my question is, is there a simple way to strip the path from an xref?
Am I missing something? The book says you can do multiple files at the
same time (at least that's what it seems to be saying), but I'm doing
something wrong.
Anyone have a solution?
TIA
David E. Gonsalves, LSIT
delliottg@olywa.net