Subject: Re: Drafting Software Survey
From: duhvinci@rockford.com (Patrick Hughes)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:46:27 GMT
Jane Watson wrote:
>Here, here Katarina!
>Gary, it's rather sad you feel the way you do, maybe you'll get
>a life yourself one day. In the meantime, will you take that
>attitude with your female boss when she has to reprimand you?
>(If you don't have a female boss yet, chances are you'll
>probably have one in the future). Get rid of your appalling
>attitude before she gets rid of you!
>______________________________________________________________
>Jane Watson |
>Mechanical Engineer | Views expressed here
>Radar Systems Division | are entirely my own...
>GEC-Marconi Avionics |
>______________________________________________________________
I'm not sure where to jump in on this but my comment is this:
Let's just all call ourselves "cartoonists"
- who could object to that?
--
Patrick Hughes
Engineered Design Solutions
e-mail duhvinci@rockford.com
homepage http://www.rockford.com/duhvinci
--------------------------------------------------
* Machine design, detail & build
* Cam design & manufacturing
* Machine animation
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Subject: Re: XREF path question
From: Lu
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 02:27:19 -0800
David E. Gonsalves wrote:
>
> I've received a drawing from one of our consultants, where they have xref'd
> about 12-15 DWGs. I have all of the xref DWGs, or at least I think I do.
> They all have the original paths bound to the xref (which seems to be a
> network drive, I could put the xrefs on another of our machines, copy the
> files over, and map the drive, but that seems stupid and
> counterproductive), I've tried to redirect the path using the XREF PATH
> command, but it keeps puking.
> So, my question is, is there a simple way to strip the path from an xref?
> Am I missing something? The book says you can do multiple files at the
> same time (at least that's what it seems to be saying), but I'm doing
> something wrong.
> Anyone have a solution?
>
> TIA
>
> David E. Gonsalves, LSIT
> delliottg@olywa.net
Hi David,
In r12, when a drawing calls for that a XREF that can not be found, a BLOCK is inserted at
the XREF's insertion point, it looks like text on the "0" layer. The SCALE of the BLOCK is
the scale of the XREF. Before you can reattach the XREF, you must delete the BLOCK. I
hope they r13 works the same way.
I wrote a program to reattach XREF's but it is based on some very strict rules. The program
identifies the BLOCK(s) thar are not resolved and updates them. After using the program,
you must re-open the drawing. AutoCAD dosn't know the XREF is there. :)))
I use this program for reattaching Title Block XREF's when moving the drawings from my DOS
machine to the Windows machine.
;=============================================================================
;P2091.LSP - Reloads XREF when Drive is changed.
; (C) Copyright 1996 by CAD\Tek
;
; by: Luther W. Early
; 1944 Derry St.
; Harrisburg, PA 17104
; email: learly@ix.netcom.com
;
; Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software and its
; documentation for any purpose and without fee is hereby granted.
;
; THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTY.
; ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF FITNESS FOR ANY PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND OF
; MERCHANTABILITY ARE HEREBY DISCLAIMED.
;
; Version: 08-20-1996
;============================================================================
;(Group 70 Codes that apply)
; 4 = external reference
; 8 = not used
; 16 = externally dependant
; 32 = resolved external or dependant of resolved external
; 64 = referenced
;============================================================================
;(DEFUN C:T()(C:P2091))
;============================================================================
(DEFUN P2091Error(msg)
(SETQ
*error* p2091SaveErr
p2091SaveErr NIL
)
(IF (/= msg "")(ALERT msg))
(PRINC)
)
;============================================================================
(DEFUN C:P2091()
(SETQ
p2091SaveErr *error*
*error* p2091Error
path "D:\\C-T\\COMPANY\\" ; new base path (change to suit)
data (TBLNEXT "block" "R")
)
(WHILE (/= data NIL)
(SETQ
block (CDR(ASSOC 1 data)) ; block name is file name
code (CDR(ASSOC 70 data))
)
(IF (= (LOGAND code 4) 4) ; entity is a xref
(IF (= (LOGAND code 64) 64) ; entity is referenced
(IF (/= (LOGAND code 32) 32) ; NOT resolved
(PROGN
(SETQ new_file(STRCAT path (SUBSTR block 1 4) "\\" block))
(COMMAND "xref" "p" block new_file)
)
)
)
)
(SETQ data(TBLNEXT "block"))
)
(P2091Error "")
)
;============================================================================
Hope this helps,
Lu
//------------------------------------------------------------------
// When all else fails, read the book.
// CAD\Tek Home Page: http://www.cad-tek.com
//------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: XREF path question
From: Morten Warankov
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:49:16 +0100
David E. Gonsalves wrote:
>
> I've received a drawing from one of our consultants, where they have xref'd
> about 12-15 DWGs. I have all of the xref DWGs, or at least I think I do.
> They all have the original paths bound to the xref (which seems to be a
> network drive, I could put the xrefs on another of our machines, copy the
> files over, and map the drive, but that seems stupid and
> counterproductive), I've tried to redirect the path using the XREF PATH
> command, but it keeps puking.
> So, my question is, is there a simple way to strip the path from an xref?
> Am I missing something? The book says you can do multiple files at the
> same time (at least that's what it seems to be saying), but I'm doing
> something wrong.
> Anyone have a solution?
ABACUS have a shareware routine that goes through all xref's and strip
the path from the xref's for export to another company. The routine
copies all nescessary drawings and strip the paths on the copied
drawings, so the original drawings are untouched. It can handle nested
xref's and differ between overlays and attached xref's. It also allows
nested paths and solves filename collisions.
Price $30 ex. vat.
Please e-mail me if your interested.
Mortenw
mailto:mortenw@abacus.no
Subject: Announcement: FME Universal Spatial Data Translator Now Shipping
From: "Dale A. Lutz"
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:32:49 -0800
Safe Software Inc. is pleased to announce that its universal spatial
data translator product -- the Feature Manipulation Engine (FME)(tm) --
is now shipping.
The FME is a powerful, configurable, peer-to-peer spatial data translator
which allows sophisticated spatial processing and attribute manipulation
during translation between:
o MapInfo MID/MIF
o IGDS/Microstation Design Files
o AutoCAD DXF/DWG (up to and including R13)
o ESRI Shape
o ESRI Generate/Ungenerate
o ESRI Spatial Database Engine
o GIF (Image Output Only)
o Spatial Archive and Interchange Format (SAIF)
o BC MOEP
o CSV, DBF, Column Aligned Text Database Formats
More formats are being added all the time, and a developer kit is planned
for mid '97 to allow sophisticated users to "roll-their-own".
The FME ships with a variety of generic configurations that will solve
most user's translation needs with a simple point and click. However,
advanced users are able to take the FME beyond its generic translation
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data in EXACTLY the way you want. Part of the power comes from FME's
ability to apply a variety of operations to data as it is translated.
In fact, there is no need for the source and destination formats to be
different -- the FME can be used to accomplish transformations which
would otherwise be difficult or awkward to do within many traditional
GIS systems. Available operations include:
o COORDINATE CONVERSIONS: Convert between over 600 coordainte systems,
130 datums, and 37 referenced ellipsoids. If these aren't sufficient
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The FME provides a single universal spatial data solution, removing the
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Mark Sondheim, PH. D.,
Head, Strategic Developments
Geographic Data BC, Province of BC
"The FME's powerful configurability allows us to construct solutions
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"Safe Software provides a fast and easy to use translation application
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Madrone Consultants Ltd.
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The FME is available for Windows NT/95, and a multi-user server
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We'll also be at GIS/LIS in Denver next week as part of the Avenza booth
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------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dale Lutz Safe Software Inc. dal@safe.com
Surrey, BC, CANADA phone: (604) 501-1580
http://www.safe.com/dal fax: (604) 930-8407
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: Microstation to AutoCAD, can you do this?
From: adrianjl@aol.com
Date: 14 Nov 1996 21:32:44 GMT
Hello everyone,
A customer of ours wants to do the following:
He has 800 Microstation drawings that with parts list, and wants the
information in the parts list information extracted to a searchable
database. We don't have Microstation, only AutoCAD R13, so I was
wondering if there is any way that we can import those drawings in
AutoCAD, and export the parts list info to some some kind of text or data
base file that can be searched. This is a whole new area to me, and I am
not even sure how you would convert Microstation drawings to AutoCAD, but
I would appreciate any info you all can give me. If you don't mind I
would appreciate an e-mail from anyone who know about this stuff. Like I
said, this is really something new to me, but i'm always willing to learn.
Thanks in Advance,
Adrian Laveaga
Nichols Research Corporation
Camarillo, CA
Subject: Re: Drafting Software Survey
From: Tom_Austin
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:38:55 -0800
>
> I personally never gave a flip. Yet I don't like "draftswoman", but I do
> take it as a sign of politeness when a guy goes out of his way to
> say "drafter". "Draftsperson" doesn't cut it either. Makes me think of
> an old Far Side cartoon ;)
Maybe it's a generational/geographical thing. I'm 35, and in all my
time in the workplaces, and all the places I've worked, Drafter and
Designer are the standard terms, even by the Old Guard guys, who are
traditionally sexist in every other way.
I'm in California. Maybe that's it.
Tom Austin
Subject: Re: Text searches
From: Rusty Gesner
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:17:47 -0800
Robert Albert wrote:
>
> You could do this from your operating system. Which one do you use? If
> it's Windows95 you can use Find and search all DWG files with a text string
> parameter. If you are using DOS, you might have to get ahold of a DOS
> program like Norton FileFind to do a directory with a text string
> parameter.
> --
Although Norton's FileFind is better, easier, and faster, if you don't
have it, you can still use the DOS command FIND in recent versions of
DOS. Enter FIND /? at the DOC prompt to get help on its syntax.
> Mikarena wrote in article
> <56ffcr$fdu@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
> > We would like to query our library of drawings based on all the text
> contained
> > within them. By entering a text string, say, "Pump XYZ", we'd like to
> retrieve
> > all drawings where "Pump XYZ" appears. Any guidance to tools that would
> do
> > this would be appreciated.
--
B. Rustin (Rusty) Gesner -- Group A
AutoCAD Expert.Consultant.Author.Editor
Co-author of Maximizing AutoCAD R13
See http://www.group-a.com/~rusty
Subject: Re: Drafting Software Survey
From: Toni Garrison
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:04:40 -0500
Gary Lynn Kerr wrote:
>
> On 12 Nov 1996, it was written:
>
> >
> > >Gary Lynn Kerr said...To whom ever wrote that the term
> > draftsMEN was not correct. GET A LIFE!
> > >And a female boss has a problem with it she has too much time
> > on her hands....GET A LIFE! ....snip, snip, snip!
> > Katrina was out-of-line when she wrote her comment about the
> survey. I also feel that any boss that that takes offense to the original
> terms has too much time on their hands.
I agree!! I am a feMALE studying at Purdue University for Mechanical
Drafting and Computer Animation... I think that we all need to get real
and stop worrying about whether someone calls use draftsMEN or
whatever!!! MAN has been used to refer to both men and woMEN for
centuries, and it is definitely "too much time on our hands" that has
caused us to worry about such minor things. I am a woMAN and proud of
it. I am not weak because I am feMALE, but I don't have to have the
English language changed in order to prove that!!!!
Get on with something that is important in life and get over this
feminist attitude. People like you ruin being a woMAN for people who are
proud to be one!
Toni
Subject: Can anyone identify the file type?
From: "David E. Gonsalves"
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:44:16 GMT
This is a file emailed to me from our local county, it was supposed to be
an AutoCAD drawing, I haven't seen this type of file before, have any of
you? Sorry for the size, thanks for any light you might be able to shed
for me.
David E. Gonsalves, LSIT
delliottg@olywa.net
Attached is digital version of well map. Hope it makes it through and is
useable. We are catching TIm Tayne, our groundwater data/mapping
guru, in the final hours of employment here at the County so has time to
manipulate this map is extremely limited.
Call me at 357-2491 if any questions.
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Subject: Re: Linewidth display "wish" for R14
From: "Miguel E. Reyna"
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:53:07 -0800
One question:
Is it possible to display lines (Monitor: 72 dpi) in the
width they would appear on a plot (Plotter: 600 dpi)?
If it isn't possible: WHY DO WE HAVE TO SEE LINE WIDTHS !!!
--- JUST SAY NO TO LINE WIDTH ---
Miguel E. Reyna
Multimedia Division
PentaCAD CIS, C.A.
Caracas, VENEZUELA
Tony Tanzillo wrote:
>
> FWIW, Intergraph Imagineer supports linewidth attributes
> which can be supressed. I'm going to be posting a product
> review of Imagineer on my website soon. I've not been this
> excited about a CAD program since Autodesk first released
> AutoCAD 2.18 (the first to have AutoLISP).
> --
> /*******************************************************/
> /* Tony Tanzillo Design Automation Consulting */
> /* Expert AutoCAD Programming and Customization */
> /* --------------------------------------------------- */
> /* Co-Author of Maximizing AutoCAD R13 and */
> /* Maximizing AutoLISP for AutoCAD R13 */
> /* --------------------------------------------------- */
> /* Contributing Author, CADENCE Magazine */
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> Ian A. White wrote in article
> <328860c6.20575600@news.zip.com.au>...
> > A message came through a few days back where the writer "wished" that
> > R14 displayed lines in the width they would appear on a plot.
> >
> > If Autodesk is listening (reading?), and I believe they are, PLEASE
> > ONLY IMPLEMENT THIS AS AN OPTION. Do not force this on us like the
> > ability to assign a separate LTSCALE to every object as was done with
> > R13. All this has done is increase the size of the drawing, and
> > everyone I have spoken to who uses R13 (and there are not that many
> > ;-)) only ever uses one value for LTSCALE anyway.
> >
> > WYSIWYG is the reason being put forward for showing line widths.
> > Don't confuse WYSIWYG in a wordprocessor with what you believe you
> > will get in CAD. When was the last time you zoomed in in a
> > wordprocessor like you do in CAD? In CAD you may have to zoom in to
> > check the intersection of two objects, however all line widths will do
> > is make such resolution impossible.
> >
> > If you want to provide a WYSIWYG plot preview, then by all means do
> > so. Just PLEASE don't force users to have to work with linewidths all
> > the time. Yes, there are programs which work this way, and I have
> > probably spent more time correcting supplied drawings from such
> > programs because of this.
> >
> > I suppose one "benefit" of showing line widths will be to show those
> > CAD managers how absurd using some half scale patterns are, as with
> > the pens used, the lines would dashes would merge anyway. No, this is
> > not sufficient reason for implementing it.
> >
> > Don't use the streaker's excuse..."It seemed like a good idea at the
> > time".
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ian A. White, CPEng
> > waiwhite@zip.com.au
> > WAI Engineering
> > Sydney 2000
> > Australia
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
Subject: Re: XREF path question
From: Miles Constable
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:31:10 -0800
David E. Gonsalves wrote:
>
> I've received a drawing from one of our consultants, where they have xref'd
> about 12-15 DWGs. I have all of the xref DWGs, or at least I think I do.
> They all have the original paths bound to the xref (which seems to be a
> network drive, I could put the xrefs on another of our machines, copy the
> files over, and map the drive, but that seems stupid and
> counterproductive), I've tried to redirect the path using the XREF PATH
> command, but it keeps puking.
> So, my question is, is there a simple way to strip the path from an xref?
> Am I missing something? The book says you can do multiple files at the
> same time (at least that's what it seems to be saying), but I'm doing
> something wrong.
> Anyone have a solution?
>
> TIA
>
> David E. Gonsalves, LSIT
> delliottg@olywa.net
It's been a while since I had this type of problem ...
but *I think* that if AutoCad cannot find the XREF on the path it
expects to, it then will search the current directory and then the
AutoCad path.
If all you want to do is get the XREFs to load properly ... I would try
putting the XREFs in the same directory as the drawing in which they are
referenced.
Not *exactly* an answer to your question ...
smilin' Miles Constable ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ miles@triumf.ca
"... destroy the face of stupidity and corruption and
put up in its place an edifice of truth ..."
~~ anyone know the source of this quote?
Subject: R13 student version from Addison-Wesley
From: Heska
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:49:23 -0700
"The Autodesk Collection" based on R13 is now available.
It's for sale to students or faculty/staff only and costs
$350. For that you get R13 and Autovision 2.0.
Here's my question: is R13 much better than R12? I'm tempted
to buy it because installing the previous "Autodesk Collection"
on Windows 95 is really horrific. But, the old/R12 version
costs only $250, and it is possible to get it to work on
Windows 95.
Can anyone point me to a discussion of the relative merits
of R13 vs. R12? The only posting I see here in the group
strongly condemns R13 and implies that R12 is better.
Thank you!
Incidentally, "The Autodesk Collection" is published by
Addison-Wesley, and is typically available through
university bookstores. They do demand good proof that
you're a full-time student in a degree-earning program,
or a faculty/staff member.
Subject: Re: XREF path question
From: "George S. Phoenix, III"
Date: 15 Nov 1996 02:17:17 GMT
Try the following:
1. Copy all of the Xref'd dwgs to the same directory as the 'main' dwg.
2. In the main dwg, one at a time, change the Xref's path to ONLY THE NAME
OF THE XREF. (e.g. xref name: plan1; path: c:\dwg\plan1.dwg.... change
path to: plan1)
3. After all paths have been changed, if the Xrefs don't appear, save and
reopen the dwg.
I hope this works.
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David E. Gonsalves wrote in article
<01bbd259$bab0eca0$a13aa3cd@david>...
> I've received a drawing from one of our consultants, where they have
xref'd
> about 12-15 DWGs. I have all of the xref DWGs, or at least I think I do.
> They all have the original paths bound to the xref (which seems to be a
> network drive, I could put the xrefs on another of our machines, copy the
> files over, and map the drive, but that seems stupid and
> counterproductive), I've tried to redirect the path using the XREF PATH
> command, but it keeps puking.
> So, my question is, is there a simple way to strip the path from an xref?
> Am I missing something? The book says you can do multiple files at the
> same time (at least that's what it seems to be saying), but I'm doing
> something wrong.
> Anyone have a solution?
>
> TIA
>
> David E. Gonsalves, LSIT
> delliottg@olywa.net
>
>
Subject: Re: Data Management
From: Desi Moreno
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:10:46 -0800
RoGo wrote:
>
> Desi Moreno wrote:
> >
> > WE use Cyco's Workflow, it's great. We don't use any of the Briefcase
> > features as well, but it manages our 1000 + drawings pretty good
> >
> > E-Mail me at desim@mid.org if you want any more info.
> >
> > thanks, desi
>
> We've been Cyco's Workflow version 4.07 for almost a year now. We're
> managing about 6000 drawing files, with carefully chosen index files
> speed and managability should be good.
>
> We don't use any briefcase stuff (yet). Don't count on the ability to
> plot drawings from AMW; it outputs the viewer (which is good btw) to the
> Windows system printer. (Oh yea, we're using Windows 3.11) This relies
> heavily on the quality of that driver (pen widths!) and more importantly,
> is mindnumbingly slow. Just don't.
>
BTW, It WAS slow for us to but that was just windows 3.1. Once we went NT it was fast
just food for though
--
Mr. Desi Moreno
Engineering Technician
dmoreno@vs1.invsn.com desim@mid.org