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thetain@aol.com wrote:
: Contact Dan Flemming at New York University.  I do not have his email
: address at this particular time but is available.  He is an affable, easy
: going guy and will take the time to help you.
: 
: Joseph E. Kerley, III  (thetain@aol.com)
: As a man thinks in his heart, so he is.
Joseph,
As far as I know, if Dan Fleming has an e-mail address, he never uses it.
Anyway, as long as Piotr Michalowski is responding to this thread, you may
as well save your phone bill costs and follow his advice.  You're not
going to find very many people who know Akkadian better than he does.  Of
course, he might also try to tell you that one will never be able to know
Akkadian well without also learning Sumerian, but then no one ever said
Assyriology wouldn't be a challenge!  ;-)
andrew gross

After two hundred years of Evolutionary and Zoological Thought, we are
still using the outdated classification systems of Linnaeus, with their
bizarre familial distinctions drawn purely on whether or not a species
possesses nipples.  I propose a new, less papillocentric distinction,
between Virgatoformes and Sinevirgaformes, or Stripy and Non-Stripy
Animals, a natural and easy classification which requires no tedious
lengthy discussions as to whether or not an animal's cells contain
chlorophyll.  Within the Sinevirgaformes, a further natural distinction
can be drawn between the Aspidistra, Cow and Cat family
(Bovofeliaspidistridae) which contains all those animals which may be
found in the environs of Leamington Spa; the family of the
Crocodilotestudinates, which contains all those creatures which Grow to
Monstrous Size due to Feeding on Radioactive Waste in the New York
Sewers*; and the Necleamingtonspanecnewyorkomorphs, which contains all
those creatures found in neither location. Within the Virgatoformes,
meanwhile, an obvious difference presents itself between those animals
which are Bengal Tigers (Bengaltigridae), and those which are not.  We
have to move with the times, and the necessity of keeping track of
Striated Life Forms is upon us.  In these days of spiralling crime, the
difficulty of taking an Accurate Hoofprint, coupled with the
proliferation of 'ringer' zebras**, make it very difficult for police to
apprehend a Getaway Zebra used by a group of marauding Africans,
particularly if that zebra is equipped with Go-Faster Stripes.
It is a Well-Known Fact that No Two Zebras' Stripes are Entirely Alike.
I therefore propose to end the current chaos of Zebra Misidentification
by employing a simple Barcode Reader and International Zebra Barcoding
Number (IZBN) which may be used by Stablehands and Supermarket Cashiers
worldwide.  I hope that this will once and for all end Zebra-Related
Crime across the globe, and that, after pioneering use on Zebras, the
scheme might be extended to other Dangerous Stripy Creatures such as
Tiger Sharks*** and Badgers****.
Yours
Reverend Colonel Ignatius Churchward Von Berlitz M.A. (Dom. Sci.) Oxon. 
(Oklahoma)
*The Crocodilotestudinates may be held to contain a smaller subgroup,
the Godzillidae, consisting of those animals which grow to monstrous
size in the New York Sewers and then Go On To Destroy Tokyo.
**On the subject of 'ringer' zebras, the evolution of the now allegedly-
extinct Quagga has long been a subject for heated debate.  I am now of
the opinion that the Quagga is the end product of a 'cut and shut'
between a Zebra and a Horse, possibly carried out in a many-crenelled
Gothic Castle at midnight to the sound of Crashing Thunder and a Church
Organ.
***Tiger Sharks are an Endangered Species, and it is now Beyond All
Zoological Doubt that most Tiger Sharks are not maneaters, but live on a
diet of plankton, much as did the Ancient Aztecs.  A handy barcode
reader would enable a skin diver to instantly ascertain whether the
Tiger Shark currently fixing its teeth in him were a Known Maneater, or
whether it was simply engaging in an affectionate courtship ritual; many
species of Shark clamp their jaws playfully in their partners' flesh
before shaking their heads violently to and fro as an innocent prelude
to coition.  Divers superficially resemble female sharks if they swim in
a suggestive manner and wear provocatively skimpy wetsuits.  Indeed, in
the opinion of many Marine Biologists, the Saucy Little Devils are
Asking For It.
****It is another Well-Known Fact that, once Badgers know the Taste of
Human Flesh, there is no end to their Carnal Appetite.

Miguel Carrasquer Vidal wrote:
> 
> Satrap Szabo  wrote:
> 
> >Miguel Carrasquer Vidal wrote:
> >>
> >> Eastward to Sanskrit would be more in line with current views.
> 
> >Current view sees which peoples/language going east to Sanskrit?  Can
> >you describe a little more of this?
> 
> Indo-Iranians from Central Asia came into Iran and India somewhere in
> the 2nd millennium.  Given that Indo-Iranian is closely connected to
> languages in Europe (Greek especially), their ultimate origin must be
> (Eastern) Europe.
 Do you know of  any archeaological evidence for the "movement of  
Indo-Iranians into Iran & India" ??
 Recent studies seem to question the validity of the "IE movement into
 India" theories.

David:
.
>Rivers flood. Most cultures have spent a lot of time around 
>rivers. See below.
.
     But one has to be careful one is talking about the right flood, or 
"Destruction of Mankind", which is commemorated the world over with some 
kind of "Festival of the Dead", generally in November.  Mankind, here, 
refers to MAN in the biblical sense, as that life form that began with 
a written nonmimetic language and monarchical civilization (such that 
"whatsoever Adam called [everything], that was the name thereof").  
Our extending the term "man" to a "species" (whatever that is) only 
confuses the issue.  The Deluge refers to the destruction of Adamkind --  
a nation -- not a "species".
     What it is talking about is a nation.  That "Adamic" nation was 
driven out of Eden (Mesopotamia) when it tried to enforce (instead of 
persuade) "prohibition" (outlawing nakedness).  There followed a long 
migration east until the nation found and settled in the mountain- 
surrounded plateau we call the Tarim Basin.  There it developed in 
peace -- agriculture, science, religion, etc.  Eventually it carried 
its knowledge to the outer world (where it had sowed the seeds of MAN 
(national language and civilization) during its long migration.
Its homeland plateau thus came to be called "the face of the earth".
     The nation had discovered that its land covered a vast 
underground "great deep" which it freely (too freely) tapped for 
irrigation.  It appointed two co-regencies, Cain and Abel, but made 
the mistake of assigning them functions instead of territories.  Cain 
was in charge of farming, and Abel in charge of ranching (chiefly 
sheep).  War between farmers and shepherds was, as we now know, 
inevitable.  Abel and his shepherds were wiped out, and Cain (the 
Kenites) had to be expelled from "the face of the earth" (Gen. 4:14) 
as it was then called.  The 930-year dynasty of Adam appointed a co- 
regent, Seth, in its 130th year, and the dynasty of Seth appointed a 
co-regent in its 105th year, and so on.  The mistake of assigning 
functions, instead of territories, was not repeated.
     In its 1,056th year the nation appointed the dynasty of Noah to
administer outer settlements -- and Noah established three such 
settlements under Shem, Ham, and Japheth.  Meanwhile the nation grew 
and its scientists (priests) warned it that its irrigation was 
becoming dangerous.  So Noah took shiploads (hence the ark story) of 
the valuable domesticated grains and animals the nation had developed, 
to his outer settlements.  The nation, of course, paid no attention to 
its scientists (who, as always, attributed their findings to God).
     In the 600th year of the dynasty of Noah, at the so-called "face of 
the earth", flood (and earthquake such that "were all the fountains of 
the great deep broken up" -- Gen. 7:11) collapsed the whole nation into 
the great deep.  At the same time the Pe Shan mountains were breached 
and the water (an Asian fresh-water Mediterranean, the Enc. Brit. has 
called it) drained into China for several decades -- as sand from the 
Gobi Desert blew in, eroding the Pe Shan breach at a phenomenal rate, and 
burying the nation beyond reach (perhaps forever).  That was in 2345-2344 
BC according to the Bible, and to an independent calculation from the 
Chinese Shu-King.  (The Enc. Brit. has a difference of only 1 year.)
     So, while I agree that it is pointless to look for the ark, 
especially outside the so-called "face of the earth" (approx. Long. 95 
to 105, Lat. 44 to 54), it is not historically pointless.  Wasn't it 
Anatole France who pointed out that those who don't know history are 
bound to repeat its mistakes?  The story of the Deluge appears to have 
been carried by the Noachian people for many centuries, before Moses 
wrote or had them write it.  It was, of course, elaborated over the 
years, and copied in many forms (e.g. The Gilgamesh) but it is sill 
not too difficult for an intelligent analyst to reconstruct the 
history, from Genesis, of what happened.
.
                                                      Suds

DARWIN IS BURIED IN WESTMINSTER ABBEY WITH OTHER CHURCH OF ENGLAND GREATS

A letter excoriating the Amarna Research Foundation for appointing Prof.
Dr. Dietrich Wildung, Director of the Berlin Egyptian Museum and Dennis
Forbes, Editor of KMT, " honorary trustees " of the foundation, when
neither one of them deserves the honor, is posted @
http://www.amarna.com/eir/imports/letr2arf.htm
Check it out.
The Mansoor Amarna Collection is exhibited @ http://www.amarna.com

Replying to rejohnsn@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu 
: > >But showing that the mammoths were hunted doesn't prove that the hunting
: > >caused the extinction.
: >
: > Correct. It supports it (as per the subject line), not necessarily
: > proves it.
: 
: No -- it only supports the idea that mammoths were being hunted.  It 
: provides no information about whether that hunting contributed to 
: extinction.
Well, if the Mammoths responded with lowered age at first birth, and
smaller size, then the increase in predation pressure must have been
significant. Unquantifiable, but significant. 
: Rebecca Lynn Johnson
: Ph.D. stud., Dept. of Anthropology, U Iowa
MVH: Mike Noreen       |"Cold as the northern winds 
Net: ev-michael@nrm.se | in December mornings,
                       | Cold is the cry that rings
                       | from this far distant shore."
Proud to have been dubbed 'Incorrigible', 'idiot', 
   and 'IQ below 50' by that most "complex" of 
         Black Knights - Peter Nyikos!

Below Xina realizes that I have something to build on and she
does not. Otherwise there is nothing below in the post of mine
she replied to which indicates rude behavior on my part.
Yet I will now reply as kindly as she does.....
My usual unappreciated satire:  (oh how rude of me;
but where the hell does she think I have to read her crap
thinking that as a lesbian bitch she can list off her psychological
profile of me in scientific newsgroups).
She cannot discuss her Egypt which falls after a 3090 BC epoch
in contrast to my Egypt which falls after a 2370 BC Flood. She pukes
on hearing it as if she has a priest (her university) telling her to
turn and shun and close her eyes to this shock shock shocking puke
of Bible as truth. Does Xina also shriek like an invaded Body Snatcher?
(REFERENCE: This is a movie reference and not a lesbian snatch pun.)
She is apparently under pressure. In email
she says other PROFESSIONALS are inquiring why she deals
with me. And she also is easily intimidated by the likes of those who
mimick this convention as being a YoYo
 (you must read that posted comedy; it is funny, the guy is always good).
I can appreciate laughs.
However of course IMHO it is true I have never met
a laugher who admits to lesbianism, nor a lesbian who laughs.
Of course Xina might say that lesbianism isnt a mental disorder in need of counseling.
Why they have educated themselves to become the very counselors
of unhappy heterosexuals. Xina's list of psychotic behavior certainly
wasnt found in 3 hours of psychological testing for a job. Wonder if she
took the same test I did?
Eliyehowah wrote:
> I take it we can begin building upon our timelines we have now provided.
> And you will understand then why I then regard some things AFTER this Flood
> that by numeric year you would view as BEFORE my year for the Flood.
> And thus avoid confusion when you call my shots. Rather than forcing each other
> into the goal of being a farce...the science world versus religious world....
> let us understand first what we are each claiming. Though Creationists cannot speak for me
> and my God (so please dont insult me by presuming I have their beliefs, it
> will run us into a tangent), may I presume you *DO* have the scientific beliefs of
> the world....or are you too as individual as I am in your beliefs?
> I do not consider the Flood quite yet a debate in our topic but rather C-14.
> Debating whether C-14 is in error or not, and WHERE is it in error.
> If you know C-14, you will know we both (science/religion) believe it to be in error.
> C-14 does NOT match your ancient history of epoch 3000 BC to 2000 BC,
> nor does it match mine as Flood 2370-2000 BC.....
> (note the 3000 BC epoch = 2370 BC epoch equation)
> but rather falls between the two. (Closer to mine than yours.)
> However, you will NOW see how I can scrutinize and criticise my own work.........
> The chart --appears-- to match MY chronology perfectly with no adjustment.
> But as a realist towards the Bible I must recognize the C-14 method as dating
> Egyptian DEATH, (not Egyptian life) and that a curve of increase
> (to explain pre-Flood dates of man's works as 20,000 years)
> does not spread thru earth's atmosphere in but one year.
> For this reason, the charts I will present
> from the C-14 convention of your scientists cannot proudly be claimed by me
> as perfectly matching my work. [Simply, my Egypt doesnt begin in 2370 BC
> when Noah walked off the ark. And so C-14 Egyptian dates which proudly
> support  2370 BC (not 3000 BC) cannot be used by me to produce a 2370 BC Egypt.
> This means that the C-14 results which God supplies speaks equally to me
> as it does you to come up with an explanation. Your people say the trees
> in dendrochronology are accurate in count and that their C-14 in them
> is 720 years off. I contend that the trees are off, and that the C-14 is
> BASICALLY correct for planet earth (yet for these Egyptian Pharaohs
> (biblical generations 1 thru 4 living 400 years all die during 12th dynasty Egypt),
> the C-14 dates of these Pharaohs MUST be regarded by me as 2170 BC Giza
> to 2030 BC as 5th dynasty death,
> to 2020 BC as the inaugurated HOUSE (pharaoh by Mena)
> to 1943 BC inaugurating the 12th dynasty during which the 1st thru 4th dynasty kings died
> down til 1824 BC. Restoring human longevity is the claim I make for my God.
> A restoration of what was lost.
> 
> Below is the short replies to your last post.
> If you wish to present C-14 at this time, please do so. Otherwise with your
> permission I will proceed to present the C-14 for Egypt epoch (flood) and down
> past 2000 BC, so that you may scrutinize as you wish and ask me where I get this crap.
Xina:
> >"Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism: A Bishop
> >Rethinks the Meaning of Scripture" by John Shelby Spong, (a bishop in
> >Episcopal Church) 1991, Harper Collins Publishing, ISBN 0-006-067518-7.
> >It is an excellent book, it is written objectively and by someone who
> >does have faith in his God and in what he knows is the truth.  These
> >things are not incompatible, its just that he realizes (as some do not)
> >that to know what is in the mind of the Creator at all times is the
> >height of arrogance.
NOTICE THE SLAM ABOVE, real professional behavior at a convention.
Eli:
> I consider this an excuse. And it places Jesus at the height of
> arrogance for knowing the mind of God. I presume the bishop is
> therefore Catholic and believes Jesus *IS* God so as to eliminate
> this problem using the trinity. No wonder your frequent quoted
> Catholic church has committed its crimes and excused itself.
> But you dont have to be Catholic nor even believe in God to
> excuse yourself with doctrines. Science has its worshipped doctrines.
> That includes the doctrine I am sick of hearing about our viscious
> animal instincts back to cave man and desires without morale.

romana@azstarnet.com wrote:
> I have noticed that this issue of crossposting via not trimming
> headers has been around for a long time without solution.  As a person
> who does not have much time to spend on newsgroups triming headers is
> more time consuming than I can afford.  It is also putting me in the
> position of editor to decide where this post belongs.  Who am I to
> judge through the plethera of newsgroups just where this particular
> post should go.  Instead of asking the origninal poster (the person
> who is really responsible) not to send certain materials to certain
> newsgroups, people who are merely trying to participate in discussions
> are harrased continually.  I am not responsible for deciding what goes
> where, I refuse to be put in the spot of the editor of the newsgroups.
> If you don't like a thread you may delete it or you could also put it
> in your kill file.  Let us all try to make the newsgroups a more
> pleasant place to be.
Eli writes:
I suggest that everyone who can understand the above post
take it and paste it in a notepad where everytime they read a post like
below which calls people fuckwits and accuses them of starting the
thread....you can mail their postmaster by merely copying their
address and writing postmaster ahead of it.
examples for the below posts of
Jack Campin as:
jack@purr.demon.co.uk
postmaster@purr.demon.co.uk
and Michael D. Painter as:
mpainter@maxinet.com
postmaster@maxinet.com
> Ah, Jack, it appears that you have not met EJ before.
> This latest appearance is one of the most coherent posts I've seen from
> him. ( No, really)
> He exhibits all the behavior of someone who goes off his meds, gets worse
> and worse, then gets locked up for a few days (when he disappears) and is
> put back on track.
> I said this in jest the first time I ran across him but am beginning to
> believe I was right.
> Jack Campin  wrote in article<1942@purr.demon.co.uk>...
> > Eliyehowah  writes:
> > > This is a reply. I have not chosen the header newsgroups this thread is
> > > found in.
> >
> > Yes you have, fuckwit.  You can't weasel out of your responsibility by
> > saying "the other guy started it".
> > > I have added alt.religion.christian to share with them
> > I'm sure that group's readers are all *really* grateful.  I don't think.
> > Now edit your goddamn headers before continuing this discussion.
> > Jack Campin
> jack@purr.demon.co.uk
> > T/L, 2 Haddington Place, Edinburgh EH7 4AE, Scotland       (+44) 131 556
> 5272
> > ---------------------  Save Scunthorpe from Censorship