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Subject: Re: Thermodynamic definition of life (was Could intelligent extraterrestrial life exist in our galaxy?) -- From: Erik Max Francis
Subject: Re: Thermodynamic definition of life (was Could intelligent extraterrestrial life exist in our galaxy?) -- From: Frank_Hollis-1@sbphrd.com.see-sig (Triple Quadrophenic)
Subject: Re: Stephen Jay Gould -- From: AI@gwyha3.demon.co.uk

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Subject: Re: Thermodynamic definition of life (was Could intelligent extraterrestrial life exist in our galaxy?)
From: Erik Max Francis
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 22:39:11 -0800
David L Evens wrote:
> The problem with these examples as arguments in favour of viri being
> considered alive is that they all are organisms which are, isiolated from
> other organisms, cable of carrying out life processes.  Viri don't do that.
Such as parasites?  :-)
Parasites can't _survive_, much less reproduce, without the host animal.  But
they're certainly alive.
Not to mention that sterile humans can't reproduce, in isolation or not.
Mules can't reproduce at _all_, period.  Both are certainly alive.
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Subject: Re: Thermodynamic definition of life (was Could intelligent extraterrestrial life exist in our galaxy?)
From: Frank_Hollis-1@sbphrd.com.see-sig (Triple Quadrophenic)
Date: 13 Nov 1996 10:06:15 GMT
In article <565qni$7og@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>, devens@uoguelph.ca (David L 
Evens) says...
>
>Actually, the most common argument I've seen against considering viri to 
>be alive is that they MUST have living hosts to reproduce.  There exist 
>no possible set of natural environmental conditions that would allow 
>isolated viri to reproduce.
>
So - only phototrophs and autotrophs are alive.
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Subject: Re: Stephen Jay Gould
From: AI@gwyha3.demon.co.uk
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:09:52 GMT
ev-michael@nrm.se (Mike Noreen) wrote:
>Unfortunately 'Wonderful Life' is full of errors. It is not one of
>Gould's finest - he 
> suggests
>non-mendelian genetics to explain the cambrian explosion.
I didn't think that that was what he meant - I took it to be a
(probably wrong but not non-Mendelian) point about genome overlaps,
exons, introns, and all the rest of the ons to have been less
intertwined than at present.  
Artificial Intelligence 
karl says the bible isn't true
and he doesn't seem to know why it matters
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