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Subject: Re: science: The Curmudgeon Quotelist -- From: btcooper@iastate.edu ()
Subject: High Temperature pH sensitive glass -- From: Sheila Cox
Subject: chemistry set for 10 year old? -- From: peterson.rob@worldnet.net (Rob Peterson)
Subject: Metalize drill holes on Epoxy -- From: Martin De Tomaso
Subject: New discussion list CHEMFAN. -- From: Andrzej Kasperowicz
Subject: New discussion list CHEMFAN. -- From: Andrzej Kasperowicz
Subject: CO2 electrode -- From: rsperry@ic.ac.uk (Robin Perry)
Subject: Unknown Electrolysis product -- From: "Evan Ross"
Subject: Fiber Optic 1 X 8, 1 X 16 Couplers -- From: nwaser@unixg.ubc.ca (NADW)
Subject: Cleaning Aluminium -- From: Faffa Du Preez
Subject: Re: Galvano - Al -- From: Faffa Du Preez
Subject: Re: Galvano - Al -- From: Faffa Du Preez

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Subject: Re: science: The Curmudgeon Quotelist
From: btcooper@iastate.edu ()
Date: 10 Nov 1996 22:21:09 GMT
In article <328225CB.7907@CHEMISTRY.Watstar.UWaterloo.CA>,
George Atkinson   wrote:
>Michael Lombarski wrote:
>> 
>> In article ,
>> marlow@concentric.com (marlowe) wrote:
>> 
>> One of my favorite quotes ( I don't know if it on the website cited)  is
>> attributed to  Samuel Clemens aka Mark Twain:
>> 
>> "When the only tool you have is an hammer, all problems start looking like
>> nails"
>
>In a CHEMTECH editorial, Ben Luberoff attributed it to Plato.
Hmmm... and I've heard it attributed to Maslow.  Of course, Plato
would have him beat, if he indeed said it.  Anyone have a definitive
answer?
-- 
Brian Cooper
btcooper@iastate.edu
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Subject: High Temperature pH sensitive glass
From: Sheila Cox
Date: 10 Nov 1996 16:15:02 -0700
Does anyone know of a source for the formulation of high temperature
(100 degrees C +) pH sensitive glass.
Thanks,
Sheila Cox at sheila@pjc-ent.com
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Subject: chemistry set for 10 year old?
From: peterson.rob@worldnet.net (Rob Peterson)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 03:16:30 GMT
I had one as a kid but have no idea where to find one.  Any
suggestions on where to get a decent chemistry set for $50-75?
Thanks, Rob
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Subject: Metalize drill holes on Epoxy
From: Martin De Tomaso
Date: 11 Nov 1996 09:40:53 GMT
I am producing PCB's and now i need to metalize the drill holes of it.
some expection: PCB's (Printed Board Circuits) are sheets of epoxy, about
2 mm thick, which are plated with copper on both sides(25um of copper).
This copper will be removed by etching on the desired places (after a
photo-like treatment) giving you the finished board as like as we all
know from computers and radios.
But the problem is that for tecnical reasons i need to metalize the holes
of the board (here in a second time resistors, IC's and more will be put
in and soldered on).
I heard that professional ones first drill the entire board, metalize the
holes by a liquid and electrolysis and etch then the board. It's ok, i
only need to know whitch liquid it is, and how to do...
the electrolysis is done with CuSO4, to increase the thickness of the metal
film in the hole.
I tried with silver-liquid, but the results wasn't so good.
For any, any help or idea i would be happy!
Thanks to all,
	Martin
Martin De Tomaso
mdetomas@inf.unitn.it
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Subject: New discussion list CHEMFAN.
From: Andrzej Kasperowicz
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 19:57:40 GMT
CHEMFAN - popular chemistry
The discussion list CHEMFAN is for everyone interested in popular
chemistry. News from the chemistry world, description's of interesting
experiments etc., are most welcome. Everybody can present their
"invention or discovery" onto the list, to share information about
what to read in the subject or what experiment is worth performing. It
is also possible to exchange information about sources of supply of
chemical stuff and literature. Discussion may also include "every day"
chemistry e.g. chemistry in the kitchen, at the laundry and so on.
If your passion is chemistry the CHEMFAN is the right place for you!
:)
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I hope that you have a good time on the list!
Your list-owner
Andrzej Kasperowicz
andyk@area51.upsu.plym.ac.uk
PS. There is also minerals@area51.upsu.plym.ac.uk for those of you 
who are interested in collecting minerals. :)
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Subject: New discussion list CHEMFAN.
From: Andrzej Kasperowicz
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 19:56:58 GMT
CHEMFAN - popular chemistry
The discussion list CHEMFAN is for everyone interested in popular
chemistry. News from the chemistry world, description's of interesting
experiments etc., are most welcome. Everybody can present their
"invention or discovery" onto the list, to share information about
what to read in the subject or what experiment is worth performing. It
is also possible to exchange information about sources of supply of
chemical stuff and literature. Discussion may also include "every day"
chemistry e.g. chemistry in the kitchen, at the laundry and so on.
If your passion is chemistry the CHEMFAN is the right place for you!
:)
To subscribe to the list write to:
majordomo@area51.upsu.plym.ac.uk
a message
subscribe chemfan
To unsubscribe from the list write to the above address and type in
the command:
unsubscribe chemfan
I hope that you have a good time on the list!
Your list-owner
Andrzej Kasperowicz
andyk@area51.upsu.plym.ac.uk
PS. There is also minerals@area51.upsu.plym.ac.uk for those of you 
who are interested in collecting minerals. :)
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Subject: CO2 electrode
From: rsperry@ic.ac.uk (Robin Perry)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 12:03:13 +0000
as anyone had any success with using CO2 electrodes especially in the
field, but general experience would be useful too.  We have the Mettler
(Ingold) electrode and have experienced problems such as not reaching an
endpoint (after ca. 50  mins) and being unable to zero the electrode short
of changing the electrolyte.
I am currently chasing up product support, but having drawn a blank with
Mettler UK I am trying as many avenues as possible.
E-mail responses would be appreciated,
thanks in advance,
Robin S. Perry (rsperry@ic.ac.uk)
-- 
Mr R.S. Perry
Earth Resources Engineering
Imperial College
London
UK
email: rsperry@ic.ac.uk
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Subject: Unknown Electrolysis product
From: "Evan Ross"
Date: 11 Nov 1996 23:34:48 GMT
I am doing some water electrolysis using stainless steel electrodes,
distilled water and sulfuric acid found at a hardware store (for battery
acid) as the electrolyte.  When the reaction proceeds, a pink-red substance
is produced and turns the entire solution that color.  What is it?  Either
the sulfuric acid is not pure or something is reacting with the stainless
steel.  Please help!
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Subject: Fiber Optic 1 X 8, 1 X 16 Couplers
From: nwaser@unixg.ubc.ca (NADW)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 06:42:31 GMT
fiber optic splitters.
Fiber Optic Communication Products. Please Visit Our On-Line Catalog At:
http://www.interchg.ubc.ca/nwaser/font.html
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Subject: Cleaning Aluminium
From: Faffa Du Preez
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:36:51 -0800
Somebody wanted to know how to clean Aluminium
Here is a chemical polishing formula
77,5% v/v H3PO4
16,5% v/v H2SO4
6,0 % v/v HNO3
0,5-2,0 g/l CuSO4
Temp 90 degrees celsuis
1-4 min
Copper is deposited on the surface of the Al as a fine colloidal
precipitate and may be washed or wiped off leaving a highly spectacular
surface. (after Sheir L. Corrosion 3d edition p11:26)
(WARNING : This mixture is corrosive and safety equipment is compulsory,
eg safety glasses, gloves ect. WARNING)
Hope it works 
Regards faffa
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Subject: Re: Galvano - Al
From: Faffa Du Preez
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:00:41 -0800
Olaf Wedemeyer wrote:
> 
> Hi !
> 
> I am searching for a electrochemical method to plate steel with aluminium.
> 
> The coating should have a thickness between 1µm and 4µm.
> 
> Who can help me ??
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Olaf.Wedemeyer@imf.fzk.de
> Forschungszentrum Karlsruhe, Germany
> IMF III / KOR
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
Aluminium aqua ions are to stable. Rather than plating the Aluminium at
the cathode, hydrogen will be evolved. Other metals with the same
problem are Titanium, Zirconium, Niobium and Tantalum.
I would suggest you try diffusion coating. The process in known as
calorising by which the steel is heated in a aluminium powder to 850-950
degrees celsius. The coating thickness is about 125-250 microns thick.
Other methods of appling Aluminium to steel surfaces are
1. Vacuum evaporation
2. Plasma spraying
3. Ion implantation
For futher reference see
Shreir L 
Corrosion 3d edition, p12:3 - p12:113
Butterworth & Heinemann Ltd
Linacre House
Jordan Hill
Oxford
Hope it helps
Faffa
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Subject: Re: Galvano - Al
From: Faffa Du Preez
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:46:25 -0800
Faffa Du Preez wrote:
> 
> Olaf Wedemeyer wrote:
> >
> > Hi !
> >
> > I am searching for a electrochemical method to plate steel with aluminium.
> >
> > The coating should have a thickness between 1µm and 4µm.
> >
> > Who can help me ??
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Olaf.Wedemeyer@imf.fzk.de
> > Forschungszentrum Karlsruhe, Germany
> > IMF III / KOR
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Aluminium aqua ions are to stable. Rather than plating the Aluminium at
> the cathode, hydrogen will be evolved. Other metals with the same
> problem are Titanium, Zirconium, Niobium and Tantalum.
> 
> I would suggest you try diffusion coating. The process in known as
> calorising by which the steel is heated in a aluminium powder to 850-950
> degrees celsius. The coating thickness is about 125-250 microns thick.
> 
> Other methods of appling Aluminium to steel surfaces are
> 1. Vacuum evaporation
> 2. Plasma spraying
> 3. Ion implantation
> 
> For futher reference see
> Shreir L
> Corrosion 3d edition, p12:3 - p12:113
> Butterworth & Heinemann Ltd
> Linacre House
> Jordan Hill
> Oxford
> 
> Hope it helps
> Faffa
Aluminium can be electroplated but not in a water solution
1: aluminium trichloride, n-butylamine and diethylether at 25 degrees
celsius with a current density of 970 A/m2 in a inert atmosphere of
nitrogen or argon with a aluminium wire anode
2: aluminium trichloride lithium aluminium hydride dissolved in diethyl
ether at 40 degrees celsius and a current density of 50 A/m2 in a inert
atmosphere of nitrogen or argon with a aluminium wire anode
3.75% aluminium trichloride, 20% Sodium chloride, 5%  lithium chloride
temperature of 170 - 180 degree celsius and current density of 210 A/m2
in a inert atmosphere of nitrogen or argon with a aluminium wire anode.
Hope this helps
faffa
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