Subject: US-FL-Proposal Engineer-Aide Inc.
From: recruit@aide.com (Recruiting Department)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 19:52:26 GMT
Job Title: Proposal Engineer
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Ref: BA2768
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Subject: Re: Marine Engineering
From: wmoses@nbnet.nb.ca (Wayne Moses)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 96 00:34:06 GMT
On the subject, susan_davidson@mindlink.bc.ca had this to say:
>Okay, I have to admit that i too am confused! To me, marine engineers work on
> ships
> and make them run...
>I myself am an ocean engineer, working mostly in marine environmental stuff.
>
>What are IMarE, RINA and SNAME??
Okay, I suggest a visit to my home page for a bit of a description on naval
architects and naval architectural engineers.
I also suggest that marine engineers, at least in this neck of the woods,
are mechanical engineers who have an interest in shipboard mechanical
systems such as propulsion and steering, HVAC, and the like. They are not
necesarily shipboard and are different, in general, from the on-board
Ship's engineer in their training. They, however, are concerned with the
same issues on ships. I would defer to a trained marine engineer, however,
for a better definition of what they do. :-)
Naval architects and marine engineers, although related in that they work
on the same product in the design phases (i.e. the ship) and have input
into each other's area of responsibility, are not the same or even closely
related (IMO) as suggested by Kim Klaka in a previous post. Some refer to
naval architects as "marine architects", and in this regard the
similarity, one to the other, exists.
IMarE - Institute of Marine Engineers
RINA - Royal Institution of Naval Architects
SNAME - Society or Naval Architects and Marine Engineers.
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Regards,
Wayne Moses, P.Eng.
wmoses@nbnet.nb.ca
http://www.mis.ca/dialin/wmoses
Gondola Point, NB, CANADA * Fax: (506) 849-2392
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Subject: Re: Marine Engineering
From: jaye@athena.mit.edu (Jaye Falls)
Date: 16 Nov 1996 22:17:07 GMT
In article <56j23k$gl7@agate.nbnet.nb.ca>, wmoses@nbnet.nb.ca (Wayne Moses) writes:
|> On the subject, susan_davidson@mindlink.bc.ca had this to say:
|> >Okay, I have to admit that i too am confused! To me, marine engineers work on
|> > ships
|> > and make them run...
|> >I myself am an ocean engineer, working mostly in marine environmental stuff.
|> >
|> >What are IMarE, RINA and SNAME??
|>
|> Okay, I suggest a visit to my home page for a bit of a description on naval
|> architects and naval architectural engineers.
|>
|> I also suggest that marine engineers, at least in this neck of the woods,
|> are mechanical engineers who have an interest in shipboard mechanical
|> systems such as propulsion and steering, HVAC, and the like. They are not
|> necesarily shipboard and are different, in general, from the on-board
|> Ship's engineer in their training.
snip
|>
|> Naval architects and marine engineers, although related in that they work
|> on the same product in the design phases (i.e. the ship) and have input
|> into each other's area of responsibility, are not the same or even closely
|> related (IMO) as suggested by Kim Klaka in a previous post. Some refer to
|> naval architects as "marine architects", and in this regard the
|> similarity, one to the other, exists.
snip
ok, having a degree as a naval architect/ marine engineer, I can't resist
commenting on this. Most of what Mr.Moses posted is pretty accurate, in that
marine engineers are not the same as shipboard engineers, and have an
interest in the mechanical systems that animate a ship. They differ from
shipboard engineers mostly in that they are trained to design (improve,
optimize, arrange) the machinery systems of a ship instead of operating
and maintaining those systems.
I really believe though, that marine engineers and naval architects are
more closely related than Mr.Moses makes it sound. It is very difficult
for either to do her job competently without having a good grasp of
the fundamentals of both. For instance, how does one design the best ship
for a given mission if you don't understand that certain important (and large)
components of the machinery need to be located carefully with respect to
other items (tanks, pumps, ventilation shafts), various parts of the ship
(accomodation, cargo spaces), and forces of nature (ie, gravity) ??
Similarly, a marine engineer must understand the principles of naval
architecture to design the best systems for a specific ship. I imagine any
mech.E can select a diesel given power requirements, but can they select the
one that meets power requirements, doesn't take up too much space and weight,
and won't throw the entire ship into some resonant harmonic with its vibrations,
thereby causing the unfortunate crew to curse him with their every shaking
breath?
It might be informative to peruse some of the publications of the
various societies that have been mentioned- sname, in particular,
is having its annual convention in canada next year.
Jaye Falls
naval architect/ ocean engineering student
jaye@mit.edu
Subject: Re: Marine Engineering
From: wmoses@nbnet.nb.ca (Wayne Moses)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 96 23:54:00 GMT
On the subject, jaye@athena.mit.edu (Jaye Falls) had this to say:
>ok, having a degree as a naval architect/ marine engineer, I can't resist
>commenting on this. Most of what Mr.Moses posted is pretty accurate, in that
>marine engineers are not the same as shipboard engineers, and have an
>interest in the mechanical systems that animate a ship. They differ from
>shipboard engineers mostly in that they are trained to design (improve,
>optimize, arrange) the machinery systems of a ship instead of operating
>and maintaining those systems.
I have no problem with this.
>I really believe though, that marine engineers and naval architects are
>more closely related than Mr.Moses makes it sound.
Hehehe ... how close is close. How long is a piece of string ...
I said that they were related. That is not at issue. My point was that
they are not the same. They are not "essentially" the same. They are not
"basically" the same.
They are related, and that's all.
>It is very difficult
>for either to do her job competently without having a good grasp of
>the fundamentals of both. For instance, how does one design the best ship
>for a given mission if you don't understand that certain important (and large)
>components of the machinery need to be located carefully with respect to
>other items (tanks, pumps, ventilation shafts), various parts of the ship
>(accomodation, cargo spaces), and forces of nature (ie, gravity) ??
>Similarly, a marine engineer must understand the principles of naval
>architecture to design the best systems for a specific ship. I imagine any
>mech.E can select a diesel given power requirements, but can they select the
>one that meets power requirements, doesn't take up too much space and weight,
>and won't throw the entire ship into some resonant harmonic with its
> vibrations,
>thereby causing the unfortunate crew to curse him with their every shaking
>breath?
I agree 100% with all of the above. It does not disprove my contention,
however.
>It might be informative to peruse some of the publications of the
>various societies that have been mentioned- sname, in particular,
>is having its annual convention in canada next year.
Sounds like a good idea.
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Regards,
Wayne Moses, P.Eng.
wmoses@nbnet.nb.ca
http://www.mis.ca/dialin/wmoses
Gondola Point, NB, CANADA * Fax: (506) 849-2392
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