Subject: Re: Drafting Software Survey
From: waiwhite@zip.com.au (Ian A. White)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 22:23:18 GMT
On Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:38:55 -0800, Tom_Austin
wrote:
>Maybe it's a generational/geographical thing. I'm 35, and in all my
>time in the workplaces, and all the places I've worked, Drafter and
>Designer are the standard terms, even by the Old Guard guys, who are
>traditionally sexist in every other way.
Do you see what I mean by the baggage of our perceptions? Here we
have the perception being put forward that "the Old Guard guys, who
are traditionally sexist in every other way". I don't believe there
is any malice involved, just that that is the perception you have. As
you can see, this colours the way you see things. In the same way,
those who see the three letters M, A and N used in sequence feel
offended by it because they have the perception that its use somehow
demeans females. Even of the letters were C, A and T, or D, O and G,
a similar situation would result. Similarly there are people equally
offended when the letters MAN are replaced by PERSON or something
else, or the work changed entirely.
We need to understand that the word is not the problem, it is simply a
convenient hook to hang your coat on. When we understand this, maybe
we will start to resolve things.
Regards,
Ian A. White, CPEng
waiwhite@zip.com.au
WAI Engineering
Sydney 2000
Australia
Subject: Search for consultant on steam
From: jgoberman@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:51:05 -0600
I am looking for a consultant to help develop a "steam screen" for the
projection of motion pictures outdoors at Lincoln Center. If anyone
knows a practical, flexible, ingenious, engineer who could come up with
a design for such a device, please e-mail me with a suggestion.
The resulting "screen" should be 20 feet high and should be projected
with enough force to withstand wind and maintain its shape up to 20 feet.
Thank you,
John Goberman
Producer, LIVE FROM LINCOLN CENTER
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Subject: Re: WARNING to all NON-LICENSED ENGINEERS
From: Dug
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 18:08:41 -0600
Harris Johnson wrote:
>>
> A few observations: There are very qualified engineers who are not
> PE's. In fact I have even known a couple who were not college
> graduates, but for whom I hold the highest respect.
>
> There are some PE's who frankly are just not someone I would trust to do
> any work for me. What I have observed is that the probability of
> someone being highly qualified, capable, and ethical seems to increase
> among PE's Is this self selection, concern for the license, or some
> other factor? I do not know.
>
>
Very well put. What you've described is true most likely the world
over. I am interested in this discussion because things seem to be
quite different down there. In Canada, only after acquireing a degree
in engineering can you join the Society of Professional Engineers and
then, only after you have had your career reviewed every six months for
four years can you take the test and call yourself a P.eng (Our eq to PE
I guess). It is a very serious punishable offence to call yourself a
P.eng when you are not one.
--
****************************************************
* Doug Krokosz
* Mechanical Engineering
* University of Manitoba
* umkroko0@cc.umanitoba.ca
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~umkroko0/
Subject: US-FL-Test Engineer-Aide Inc.
From: recruit@aide.com (Recruiting Department)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 19:52:23 GMT
Job Title: Test Engineer
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Subject: US-VA-Quality Engineer #508-Aide Inc.
From: recruit@aide.com (Recruiting Department)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 19:53:30 GMT
Job Title: Quality Engineer #508
Location: Newport News, VA
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Subject: Re: Ignitioning Yourself
From: Vogt Family
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 16:30:10 -0800
Ed Lavoie wrote:
>
> M.E. Moore wrote:
>
> > What will be the safety issues when electric cars hit the streets?
> > Would there be electric shock hazards for rescue personnel when they're
> > digging people out of a wrecked electric car?
> >
> > --
> > M.E. Moore
> > Los Alamos, NM
>
> The dangers lurking inside yet-to-be-released electric cars will not
> come from electricity but from the flywheel. Yes, the flywheel. Latest
> designs for electric cars use a massive flywheel to store energy. What
> do you think happens to those flywheels after a crash? Well, I can see
> it now... "Thousands of attorneys file suit after suffering injuries
> while chasing flywheels looking for potential clients!" It could
> happen.
We don't go cutting into the gas tank during extrication of a victim from
an auto accident. I see no reason to cut the flywheel, battery, or power
leads, either. The "Jaws" are used to remove the doors and roof, not to
cut the car to ribbons...
Birken T. Vogt - KE6DLT
Subject: Re: Drafting Software Survey
From: glena@bbs.cruzio.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 17:11:03 GMT
(Peter Skelton) writes:
> I'm married to the drafting supervisor at a local plant. She flatly prefers
> drafter or draftsperson but wouldn't make an issue of it, after all there
> are real problems to be dealt with.
>
> As I want to stay married another twenty years, I'll be polite.
>
> Most sexism is lazyness, insensitivity or stupidity. There is a slight
> possibility that your drafter considers you incorrigible in that way and
> dosen't feel you're worth the emotional energy and career risk involved.
But, but .... but, the word "draftsman" is just a title, meaning
*one* who drafts. There is not gender associated with it at all.
If one were to train a dog or cat to draft, it's still an appropriate
title.
Do not underestimate your abilities. That is your boss's job.
It is your job to find ways around your boss's roadblocks.
_______________________________________________________________
Glen Appleby glena@bbs.cruzio.com http://www2.cruzio.com/~glena/
Subject: US-VA-Product Engineer #654-Aide Inc.
From: recruit@aide.com (Recruiting Department)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 19:52:11 GMT
Job Title: Product Engineer #654
Location: Newport News, VA
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Ref: SH45
BS in mechanical engineering and 4-6 years of related experience,
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Subject: US-VA-Senior Product Engineer #482-Aide Inc.
From: recruit@aide.com (Recruiting Department)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 19:53:35 GMT
Job Title: Senior Product Engineer #482
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Subject: Re: inverted L bracket analysis
From: chrisw@skypoint.com (Christopher Wright)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 21:58:35 -0600
In article ,
baker.204@pop.service.ohio-state.edu (chris baker) wrote:
>I've looked at two modes of failure and, am not sure if I'm correct.
>
>mode 1
>modeled top part of "L" as a cantilever beam and looked at stress at
>attachment point.
Correct, except that the maximum shear occurs where the bending stress is
zero and vice versa, so there's no need to combine them. Presumably you
found that the shearing stress was very small so it didn't matter.
>mode 2
>looked at base of bracket and looked at stresses there.
>(Sigma1 = My/I) + (Sigma2 = P/A) and then applied MSST.
>
>Is this correct? What other modes of failure should I look at.
The fastener (weld or bolt) checking for both shear and prying action. And
set the bolt pre-load so that the bracket won't lose contact with the
vertical surface.
You basically did the right thing. You didn't mention what you took for an
allowable stress or whether fatigue was a consideration. It's always
important to ask. The question to ask is what Code or rules apply to the
product. If none are stated, you need to dig around a little and find out
what standards of practice apply to the situation.
Christopher Wright P.E. |"They couldn't hit an elephant from
chrisw@skypoint.com | this distance" (last words of Gen.
___________________________| John Sedgwick, Spotsylvania 1864)
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Subject: Re: GOVT SCHOOLS (was: Fighting complexity)
From: chrisw@skypoint.com (Christopher Wright)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 22:07:16 -0600
altavoz (altavoz@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: altavoz: The problem is GOVT SCHOOLS ! If all schools were private
: there'd be competetion to satisfy industry , not some group of regents.
What nonsense. There really isn't any difference between a board of
regents and a board of whatever private schools have to do the same job.
The standards are set by an accreditation board, anyway, since regenents
or governers aren't normally practicing engineers, anyway. And if VPI had
been out to satisfy industry when I graduated, everything I learned would
have been obsolete by 1970.
Sounds like altavoz has been tripping through the Newt Gingrich dream world.
Christopher Wright P.E. |"They couldn't hit an elephant from
chrisw@skypoint.com | this distance" (last words of Gen.
___________________________| John Sedgwick, Spotsylvania 1864)
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Subject: Re: Ignitioning Yourself
From: phynkt@hw.ac.uk (soapy)
Date: 15 Nov 1996 11:57:29 GMT
In article <5688ta$280u@ausnews.austin.ibm.com>,
mcinnis@austin.ibm.com (McInnis) wrote:
>
>In article <55iomi$dc8$4@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>, DC
<75277.3335@CompuServe.COM> writes:
>> Why doesn't a person electrocute himself when he turns on the
>> ignition in a car, since he is holding a metal key contacting metal
>> leads (to the battery) in the steering column, and moreover his body
>> is touching the car's ground (its frame)?
>> Thanks for clarifying this.
>>
>> --
>> From 75277.3335 at CompuServe
>
>Well, I haven't disassembled one lately, but I'd bet that the lock
>is electrically isolated from the contacts for the ignition. i.e.
>there's insulating material between the lock and the hot wire.
>
>Actually, I've heard that you can electrocute yourself with 12 Volts,
>but it's real hard to accomplish.
i knocked myself and a friend to kingdom come, when we were kids. we were
playing with a 12 volt jcb battery, melting wire, and stuff. We each had one
end of the wire, and were squatting next to each other.
I lost my balence a bit, and put one hand on his shoulder. next thing we
know, we were lying on the flor, about 3 feet back from the battery, against
the wall..
Just goes to show, respect a battery. it might only be 12 volts, but
the big lead acids can put out 300+ amps, easily enough to kill.
all opinions are home grown...
Subject: Re: WARNING to all NON-LICENSED ENGINEERS
From: "Jack A. Bush"
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 22:31:09 -0800
Dug wrote:
>
> Harris Johnson wrote:
> >...There are very qualified engineers who are not
> > PE's. In fact I have even known a couple who were not college
> > graduates, ...
As one of the above cited "mustangs," I submit that there is a qualita-
tive difference between one who has the job title of Whatever Engineer,
and has the title on his **COMPANY-PROVIDED** business cards (and, when
appropriate, distributes those cards), and one who holds himself out as
a Professional Engineer in private practice. Also, in my personal bali-
wick (I'm a software jock.), there is a great deal of blather going on
about "Software Engineering." Where are the EIT/PE exams/standards for
Professional Software Engineers? If there are none, can I, upon my re-
tirement from the corporate wars, legitamately, or even lawfully, set up
a practice as a Software Engineer?
(Sigh!) I guess I'll just change my name to Dogbert, and set up as a
consultant!
10/Q,
Jack
Subject: Small wires, tubes, etc.
From: gpelkey@wegener.com (Gary Pelkey)
Date: 16 Nov 1996 16:24:28 GMT
I've seen it stated, especially relating to LBMs, that smaller diameter wires
or rods actually have increased strength characteristics. Is this strength per
unit mass, per cross section or what? Is this compressive, tensile, shear...
all of the above?
Can anyone quantify this and also explain the mechanism behind it?
Also, does anyone have a formula, or rule of thumb, relating the strength of a
'pipe' of metal compared with a solid rod of the same outer diameter or same
mass?
Thanks for the info.
- Gary
Subject: Re: Fighting Complexity
From: "Michael E. Fye"
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 08:04:18 -0800
> I've sat here for quite a while staring at your question. I wish I could
> answer it. The situation reminds me of something Tony Rizzo said here a
> couple years ago. Paraphrasing (very loosely, probably), learning cannot
> begin until one admits the possibility that one doesn't already have all the
> answers. A tactic that might work in a few situations is to challenge the
> other person to put his money behind his answer. I don't see how that would
> fit in your predicament. I think a lot of analysts would seek verification
> by prototype before betting their own money on their predictions.
> I have a quote on my desk that says "IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BEGIN TO LEARN THAT WHICH
ONE THINKS ONE ALREADY KNOWS" - EPICTETUS . That must be, what, two or three
thousand years ago?
That quote to me says that no matter how much you think you know, you can always
learn more. If, and only if, you let your professional ego allow you to learn will
you learn. Question everything.
My $0.02
--
MEFYE/@mail.delcoelect.com Senior Development Engineer
Appearance Technology Development Delco Electronics Corporation
Audio and Communication Systems Global Product Unit
R231 Kokomo, Indiana
I don't speak for Delco. As the cows in Indiana say:
Carpe trifoleum
> Seize the hay <
Subject: REQUEST FOR COLLABORATION IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH.
From: scienza@pianeta.it
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 20:20:26 +0100
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