This is a list of Universities and Colleges that offer surveying education. Perhaps some may have correspondence courses you may follow. Best of luck -- Gord Campbell Cadastral Geomatics International Inc. http://infoweb.magi.com/~cadastre/ 7 Ste-Therese Hull, Quebec - J9A 2M9 (819) 777-6054 - Fax 777-6922 cadastre@magi.com skippom@aol.com wrote in article <19961111002300.TAA16529@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > I am looking for courses in Land Surveying and Geodetic Surveying that can > be taken over the internet or via mail. I am a Registered Land Surveyor > and have taken all of the local courses offered. Many of my peers feel > that there is a need to expand our education, but because we have families > to support, we cannot take 2 years off to finish college. Most have 1 to > 2 years of college in another major, and for personal reasons deceided to > get into Surveying. We realize the need for more study, but can't seem to > find out where we need to look. > Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks > Don Pomeroy > skippom@aol.com > > >Return to Top
The following site contains a fairly comprehensive surveying software listing; http://homepage.interaccess.com/~maynard/software.htm Stuart DawsonReturn to Topwrote in article ... > In article <55vo74$b4h@qvarsx.er.usgs.gov>, Kirk Miller > writes > > > >Can anyone recommend free or low-cost software for reducing > >surveying data for point location determination and plotting?
My appologies - I neglected to include the URL for surveying education sources http://homepage.interaccess.com/~maynard/schools.htmReturn to Top
Please note that the Southern Fingerlakes Association of Professional Land Surveyors is hosting a seminar entitled "Adjoining Landowner Boundary Law and Dispute Resolution" on November 22nd and 23rd in Corning, New York. It is a comprehensive course with emphasis on New York State. Subjects include definitions; descriptive elements; rules of construction for conflicting, inconsistent, or ambiguous descriptions; boundary disputes and resolution; encroachments; and adverse possession. A text by the presenter, Kenneth Ayers, Esq. is included in the $145 fee. CEUs awarded. Lodging is available at the Radisson Hotel. Corning is home of the Corning Glass Center and Museum, and near the National Soaring Museum and soaring capitol of the US. There are numerous vineyards, wineries, scenic, historic and cultural sites in the surrounding area. Please call Meg Shields,Executive Administrator, 315-455-1073 for additional information or to register. -Bob Chiang, LSReturn to Top
Can anyone tell me the Url where I can obtain NGS data sheets over the internet? Any help will be appreciated Timothy J. KrischReturn to Top
I am looking for help from sdr-33 users who are using attributes in the dc. I can not seem to edit the attribute after the shot is taken. Is anybody having this same problem ? Any ideas when Sokkia will come out with a new version of their software that will allow us to modify the attributes when we want. The application is down measures after the mh has been located. I know that Trimbles RTk software allows the editing in the field and the software on the sdr-33 is very similar. Any solutions would be appreciated. tia KevinReturn to Top
In <56aac9$2cbe@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com>, LFXV45A@prodigy.com (Timothy Krisch) writes: >Can anyone tell me the Url where I can obtain NGS data sheets over the >internet? Any help will be appreciated > >Timothy J. Krisch > URL is http://www.ngs.noaa.gov |====================================================| |== Donald M. Mulcare email:dmulcar@ibm.net ==| |== NGS Advisor to Maryland 410.545.8963 (voice) ==| |====visit the ngs home page at http://www.ngs.noaa.gov =====| |====================================================|Return to Top
***Reminder*** The "GPS in Forestry Workshop '96" will be held in Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada, on November 25-27, 1996. For information on the agenda, registration, and a list of exhibitors see: http://www.cariboo.bc.ca/schs/bcfcsn/bcfcsn.htm The workshop is sponsored by: Forest Engineering Research Institute of Canada (FERIC) Contact: Ernst Stjernberg ernst-s@vcr.feric.caReturn to Top
Accuracy Statistics Trimble's Acu-Lock on ScoutMaster MIT Lincoln Laboratory's GLONASS group provided daily scatter plots of GPS Position Estimates. See http://satnav.atc.ll.mit.edu/. It is obvious that one's true position can be estimated using the average of positional data collected over a long period... in this case 24 hours. I set out to obtain an estimate of the repeatability of obtaining "true" position by averaging over 24 hours. If one obtains a sample of the population of computed positions and computes the mean value for each sample, the sample mean values will be normally distributed around the population mean, whether or not the original population was normally distributed. Using the Acu-Lock feature on Trimble's ScoutMaster GPS receiver the following sample means (in meters) were collected. Each mean was derived from 38000 samples automatically collected over a 24-hour period. The original data are reproduced here so that any reader may apply their own statistical analysis to the data. My conclusion is that one has a probability of .95 of being inside a circle of 5 meters (16.4 ft) radius when using the Acu-Lock feature on Trimble's ScoutMaster GPS over a 24-hour period. DATA -------Mean(meters)------ Easting Northing Alt Date Time (UT) #,001,ACU.1.96.5.19 ,15,444912,T,4653491,00311,19-May-96,20:21:33,Acu-Lock,$ #,002,ACU.2.96.5.20 ,15,444917,T,4653488,00309,20-May-96,20:50:14,Acu-Lock,$ #,003,ACU.3.96.5.21 ,15,444915,T,4653492,00306,21-May-96,23:40:23,Acu-Lock,$ #,004,ACU.4.96.5.23 ,15,444909,T,4653493,00299,23-May-96,01:37:26,Acu-Lock,$ #,005,ACU.5.96.5.24 ,15,444919,T,4653490,00324,24-May-96,02:15:48,Acu-Lock,$ #,006,ACU.6.96.5.25 ,15,444917,T,4653493,00308,25-May-96,08:03:39,Acu-Lock,$ #,007,ACU.7.96.5.27 ,15,444915,T,4653493,00310,26-May-96,00:38:37,Acu-Lock,$ #,008,ACU.8.96.5.29 ,15,444916,T,4653491,00313,29-May-96,03:59:21,Acu-Lock,$ #,009,ACU.9.96.5.30 ,15,444917,T,4653489,00310,30-May-96,12:17:14,Acu-Lock,$ No of Sample Means 9 Range Min 444909 4653488 299 Max 444919 4653493 324 Diff 10 5 25 Population Mean 444915.3 4653491.1 309.7 SEM 3.12 1.83 22.6 95% Conf Interval 6.12 3.59 44.4 Scatter Plot |---------- 10 meters ---------| . . . | . | | . . | | 5 meters . | | . | | . | "A measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions." __________________________________________________ Sam Wormley - http://www.cnde.iastate.edu/gps.htmlReturn to Top
In article <56av3f$1rp@news.iastate.edu>, swormley@cnde.iastate.edu says... ...snip... >Using the Acu-Lock feature on Trimble's ScoutMaster GPS receiver the >following sample means (in meters) were collected. Each mean was derived >from 38000 samples automatically collected over a 24-hour period. ... a very reasonable/realistic set of measurements... >"A measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions." Bravo Sam! The actual measurement data you present here is IMHO, very typical and correlates well with data/measurements that I have accumulated over the last 10 years with various receivers. Thanks for taking the time to post this. _______________________________________________________________________ Robert S. White -- an embedded sys software engineer WhiteR@CRPL.Cedar-Rapids.lib.IA.US --long/cheap alternate I-net addressReturn to Top
With modern instruments is turning the angles twice on opposite sides of the 'plate' necessary? In my case I own a Leica TC600 and turning angles (actually bearings) twice on opposite faces is basically a pain in the ass since the display is only on one side of the gun and it doesn't 'hold' the foresight to use as the subsequent backsight. Does the circuitry of these new guns make such a routine unnecessary? It has me wonderingReturn to Top
Anyone know where I might find information about geodetic control stations in Costa Rica? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Frame jhframe@dcn.davis.ca.us (916) 756-8584 756-8201 (FAX) Frame Surveying & Mapping 609 A Street Davis, CA 95616 -----------------------< Davis Community Network >-------------------Return to Top
In article <568o28$n8a@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, arun geraReturn to Topwrote: >AT what >price point and performance levels will GPS overtake the optical >surveying market? As near as I can tell, GPS technology is still a long way from eliminating other forms of measurement. Every time I start to fantasize about becoming a one-person survey crew by using RTK GPS equipment, I am reminded of the many, many situations in which measurements have to be made through little holes in the brush, up against tall buildings, through doorways, underneath overhangs, and in lots of other places that GPS signals cannot reach. Even robotic total stations don't yet allow one to do away with an instrument operator except under favorable conditions. GPS technology will undoubtedly continue to show increases in performance and decreases in cost for some time yet, but it seems to me that some form of optical total station will be part of the surveyor's tool kit for the foreseeable future. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Frame jhframe@dcn.davis.ca.us (916) 756-8584 756-8201 (FAX) Frame Surveying & Mapping 609 A Street Davis, CA 95616 -----------------------< Davis Community Network >-------------------
Edwin- You have received a lot of good advice here .... Let me STRONGLY second the motion that you get the two surveyors together if possible. If another surveyor has reached a different solution than I have, I want to know about it IMMEDIATELY. Chances are one of us has information that the other fellow missed. If I'm wrong, I'd like an opportunity to correct my survey before things get out of hand. If I'm right, I'l like an opportunity to convince my competitor of the error of his ways while he can still retreat with dignity. >"Edwin Fehre"Return to Topwrote: >My neighbor and I each have a different certified survey of our respective >properties. The two surveys do not match. One survey puts the property line >three feet away from that indicated on the other survey. >How would the true property line be decided in a court of law? What would >the court look at in making the determination? Any comments would be >appreciated. --- papabear@roadrunner.com (Formerly Moosemeat@aol.com) "It's time to throw all their damn tea in the harbor again!"
Edwin- You have received a lot of good advice here .... Let me STRONGLY second the motion that you get the two surveyors together if possible. If another surveyor has reached a different solution than I have, I want to know about it IMMEDIATELY. Chances are one of us has information that the other fellow missed. If I'm wrong, I'd like an opportunity to correct my survey before things get out of hand. If I'm right, I'l like an opportunity to convince my competitor of the error of his ways while he can still retreat with dignity. >"Edwin Fehre"Return to Topwrote: >My neighbor and I each have a different certified survey of our respective >properties. The two surveys do not match. One survey puts the property line >three feet away from that indicated on the other survey. >How would the true property line be decided in a court of law? What would >the court look at in making the determination? Any comments would be >appreciated. --- papabear@roadrunner.com (Formerly Moosemeat@aol.com) "It's time to throw all their damn tea in the harbor again!"
arun geraReturn to Topposted the following: >I am trying to understand the relative strengths of GPS and optical >surveying equipment? Is GPS taking the market away from traditional >surveying equipment? I see GPS as an augment or adjunct to traditional equipment. Maybe in portions of the country that are wide open to the sky, there will come a day when GPS will be the equipment of choice. Or maybe we will see much, much stronger transmitters on the replacement birds that can burn through leaves. That won't do much for buildings, though. > Do all surveyors use GPS (what percent do)? My best guess in my state (NC) is that perhaps 5% of surveyors have GPS capability, primarily the larger firms. It's a long ways from being cost effective for a one or two crew operation. > AT what price point and performance levels will GPS overtake the optical >surveying market? > When it costs the same thing as a total station and will work in the deep woods reliably in real time without the Rube Goldberg array of radio modems and antennae and other such potentially problem prone components. In other words, maybe ten years, maybe a hundred, maybe never. A better bet may be a system working with the numerous FM sub-carriers transmitted. We heard of a system at Duke University that purportedly would determine a 3-D position to a millimeter within a millisecond. Cut through the trees and woods and through buildings and everything. It was part of a graduate level MBA marketing program, and I don't know if the system actually worked (they swore it did), but that will be the magic black box we have dreamed of for years. The technology and physics appear, at least to me, to be workable, although I doubt the millimeter stuff. On a slightly different note, how many users of GPS have found uses that they never considered before? One of our biggest benefits is the ability to run open traverses with the terrestial gear, tying each end to a GPS shot. That is a huge timesaver and we probably use that feature as much as control extension. Just today we ran 2500 feet of sewer profile and section, starting on a GPS position and tying in to another. We made no effort to tie to a plane coordinate system, we just use the 3-D vector for a redundancy check on the ground work. Also, who can justify the additional cost and complexity for RTK? Maybe if you're doing construction staking at the Grand Canyon or in the desert it can become cost effective. What's the real benefit of real time for any collection efforts? And please contrast the benefit of real time against the cost and complexity of the current crop of equipment.
I have an ongoing discussion with a friend on the proper procedure of using the compass rule on a closed traverse. My friend believes that the angular error must be resolved before applying the adjustment. I feel that the compass rule results in a closed polygon anyway, so why apply? What is the correct procedure. Textbooks do not address this issue directly, and software generally gives you the option of balancing angles or not. I do not see the purpose of double adjusting a traverse but maybe it is not wrong, but just personal preference. Somebody help, I would like to be doing this the correct way! JonReturn to Top
Need Help!! I work for an engineering firm which drafts maps for designing bridges for forestry. We just went total station and now just print out northings and eastings with elevations and interpolate contours on a rough plan. Ideally, we are looking for a printer or plotter (very basic) that will print out all our points so we can interpolate and don't have to plot the points by hand. We have a simple autocad, so that is covered. The problem is that we use 17*22 paper for our designs and can't go smaller - thus the need for what appears to be a plotter. Looking around, the cheapest we've found is a Calcomp for $2000 (Canadian) - we would prefer even cheaper as we don't care about graphics, we just want the points. The problem is the size (17*22) - printers don't appear to go that large. What are my options? Is there good sites online for used plotters, or is there a printer out there that can print 17*22???? Help me out. DaveReturn to Top
In article <01bbd10a$d11f7b00$7046aecc@neilkg.netshop.net>, "Neil Giesbrecht"Return to Topwrote: >With modern instruments.... [...] Does the circuitry of these >new guns make such a routine[doubling] unnecessary? What "circuitry" does not eliminate are errors caused by mechanical things, such as eccentricity of the spindle bearing thingie and collimation error, etc. I dont think that tolerances in instruments has really improved much in hte last 50 years, and electronic readouts give a false sense of precision. I have a mechanical clock that keeps better time than my digital clock radio.
In article <56aac9$2cbe@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com>, LFXV45A@prodigy.com (Timothy Krisch) wrote: >Can anyone tell me the Url where I can obtain NGS data sheets over the >internet? Any help will be appreciated http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/page2.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Frame jhframe@dcn.davis.ca.us (916) 756-8584 756-8201 (FAX) Frame Surveying & Mapping 609 A Street Davis, CA 95616 -----------------------< Davis Community Network >-------------------Return to Top
Hi, I am an undergraduate student from Queen's University, Canada and I am currently doing research for a business course I am taking. Would anyone fill out a form for me posted at the following web site? It will only take a minute and it will be very helpful for our project. Thankyou for your time and sorry for the interruption. Web Site: http://qlink.queensu.ca/~3zk/quest.html Eric Lau Queen's University Chemical EngineeringReturn to Top
In article <3289d992.2214136@news.ark.com>, hadley@mars.ark.com (Dave Hadley) wrote: >Ideally, we are looking for a printer or plotter (very >basic) that will print out all our points so we can interpolate and >don't have to plot the points by hand. We have a simple autocad, so >that is covered. The problem is that we use 17*22 paper for our >designs and can't go smaller - thus the need for what appears to be a >plotter. I recall the days when we plotted points on a wide-carriage dot-matrix printer, taping sheets together as necessary, then overlaying the plots with film or vellum for the actual drafting. It sounds like you have some sort of low-end CAD software already ("autocad"), which should be able to do some simple printer plotting, so maybe this will work for you. Thinking back to those days makes me really appreciate the way we do things now... --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Frame jhframe@dcn.davis.ca.us (916) 756-8584 756-8201 (FAX) Frame Surveying & Mapping 609 A Street Davis, CA 95616 -----------------------< Davis Community Network >-------------------Return to Top
In article <01bbd10a$d11f7b00$7046aecc@neilkg.netshop.net>, "Neil Giesbrecht"Return to Topwrote: >With modern instruments is turning the angles twice on opposite sides >of the 'plate' necessary? I asked this same question some years back, and was told that modern total stations have at least two sensors spread about the angle plate, and that readings are averaged from all sensors. If this is true (I have no independent verification) you're not likely to eliminate much error by using different starting points on the plate. Note that you still need to turn direct and inverted in order to remove axis error. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Frame jhframe@dcn.davis.ca.us (916) 756-8584 756-8201 (FAX) Frame Surveying & Mapping 609 A Street Davis, CA 95616 -----------------------< Davis Community Network >-------------------
In article <32894EC3.26E5@flash.net>, Jon HoebelheinrichReturn to Topsays: > >I have an ongoing discussion with a friend on the proper procedure of using the compass >rule on a closed traverse. My friend believes that the angular error must be resolved >before applying the adjustment. I feel that the compass rule results in a closed >polygon anyway, so why apply? What is the correct procedure. Textbooks do not address >this issue directly, and software generally gives you the option of balancing angles or >not. I do not see the purpose of double adjusting a traverse but maybe it is not wrong, >but just personal preference. Somebody help, I would like to be doing this the correct >way! I wonder whether possibly you would benefit from a different textbook(s). Any text that does not give a proper treatment of the adjustment of survey traverses is a pretty unpromising basis for an education in surveying. The adjustment of survey measurements arises as a problem in the first place because it is impossible to measure any physical quantity such as an angle, distance, or height difference without some error. Our measurements are properly thought of as estimates - very good estimates if we are doing well - but still only estimates. The inevitable small errors propagate through the survey and appear (in the case of loop and line traverses) as angular misclosures and coordinate misclosures. Survey adjustments try to distribute the apparent measurement errors according to some reasonable scheme. The Compass Rule (also known as Bowditch's Rule, after the man who invented it roughly two hundred years ago) is simply one scheme for distributing apparent measurement errors. In modern surveying practice it is being (has been) superceded by the Method of Least Squares. Least Squares is not exactly late-breaking news either, having been around for about 190 years. But unlike the venerable Compass Rule, it requires zippy computers and good software to make it useful for land surveyors, and these have not been around until somewhat more recently. You can test the reasonableness of the two options that you and your friend are discussing by adjusting a sample traverse with a significant misclosure (but no blunders). Compare the angles and side lengths of the two adjustment results to the original field measurements. Which is more reasonable? In the scheme that you favor, the adjusted angle at the end of the traverse will probably differ from the actual measurement by an amount that looks unreasonably large compared to that yielded by your friend's method. The fact that a method enables you to produce a figure of a closed polygon is trivial. You could have accomplished the same thing by omitting one leg from the traverse and two angles - and wisely decided not to. Good luck! Kent McMillan, RPLS Austin TX
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"Neil Giesbrecht"Return to Topwrites: >With modern instruments is turning the angles twice on opposite sides of >the 'plate' necessary? In my case I own a Leica TC600 and turning angles >(actually bearings) twice on opposite faces is basically a pain in the ass >since the display is only on one side of the gun and it doesn't 'hold' the >foresight to use as the subsequent backsight. Does the circuitry of these >new guns make such a routine unnecessary? If every moving part on an instrument were adjusted or compensated to pinpoint precision, then it would make no difference. But if the instrument could not go out of adjustment, then there would be no need for a calibration procedure. It is not a perfect world. By using both faces, we make that a moot point. The error, big or small, is turned against itself. Without this procedure, we are taking a lot for granted. I once test-ran a very inexpensive Leica total station at a convention. That may have been the TC600. It appeared to be built for staking and topo, the kind of work that requires little high-order traversing. One-sided angles may be safer now that such things as dual-axis compensation and stored error constants are available, but does that instrument even have those features? Kunkel
Has anyone found a substitute for the "out of business" Blaisdell Nick and Pull? Where to find and where to buy would be deeply appreciated. -- ------------------------------------- E-mail: suplcat@acy.digex.netReturn to Top