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Subject: Re: Drafting Software Survey -- From: waiwhite@zip.com.au (Ian A. White)
Subject: flexiable remote valve operator by Teleflex -- From: Paschenbrenn@simplot.com (Paul Aschenbrenner)
Subject: Re: WARNING to all NON-LICENSED ENGINEERS -- From: Dug
Subject: Re: Engineering PhD's -- From: morra@onramp.net (Morra)
Subject: Re: Titles in the Workplace (was Re: Drafting Software Survey) -- From: Carolyn Dougherty
Subject: Electromechanical Design -- From: HRINGLEB@LEVER.uwaterloo.ca (H Ingleby)
Subject: Re: Engineering PhD's -- From: tsblue@longleaf.com (Thomas S. Blue)
Subject: Re: Drafting Software Survey -- From: glena@bbs.cruzio.com
Subject: Micropower Impulse Radar -- From: Nebu John Mathai
Subject: Re: Engineering PhD's -- From: "Arthur E. Sowers"
Subject: opening of a faculty position in KOREA -- From: jckim@camars.kaist.ac.kr (Jin Chun Kim)
Subject: Problem Solving Techniques: PPS-4 SYNERGY -- From: waxman@ix.netcom.com(Milton Waxman)
Subject: Re: plastic sensor -- From: aalmoian@msmail3.hac.com
Subject: Re: When will the U.S. finally go metric? -- From: pausch@electra.saaf.se (Paul Schlyter)
Subject: Re: Heat build up question -- From: gauthier@auxilium.com (Robert Gauthier)
Subject: Re: WARNING to all NON-LICENSED ENGINEERS -- From: "Jack A. Bush"
Subject: Re: When will the U.S. finally go metric? -- From: d005794c@dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (James Wentworth)
Subject: New Web Site for Industry -- Free logon! -- From: "Ray Kolenda"
Subject: Decision Support Systems -- From: Gurmukh S Neote
Subject: Re: WARNING to all NON-LICENSED ENGINEERS -- From: cliff
Subject: Re: Fighting Complexity -- From: "Michael E. Fye"
Subject: Telemaintenance on biomedical devices -- From: SANZ Remi
Subject: REQUEST FOR COLLABORATION IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH. -- From: scienza@pianeta.it
Subject: the solution -- From: scienza@pianeta.it
Subject: Cheap Process Simulation Software References Needed -- From: 73623.3437@compuserve.com (Mark J. Potter)
Subject: WASTEWATER TREATMENT MODELLING -- From: gerkelly@iol.ie
Subject: aqueous cleaner recycling -- From: kahn28@aol.com
Subject: Re: When will the U.S. finally go metric? -- From: kai@khms.westfalen.de (Kai Henningsen)
Subject: direction and distance finder -- From: "Chris Gillies"
Subject: Electronics Directory -- From: Todd Peterson

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Subject: Re: Drafting Software Survey
From: waiwhite@zip.com.au (Ian A. White)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 22:23:18 GMT
On Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:38:55 -0800, Tom_Austin
 wrote:
>Maybe it's a generational/geographical thing.  I'm 35, and in all my
>time in the workplaces, and all the places I've worked, Drafter and
>Designer are the standard terms, even by the Old Guard guys, who are
>traditionally sexist in every other way.
Do you see what I mean by the baggage of our perceptions?  Here we
have the perception being put forward that "the Old Guard guys, who
are traditionally sexist in every other way".  I don't believe there
is any malice involved, just that that is the perception you have.  As
you can see, this colours the way you see things.  In the same way,
those who see the three letters M, A and N used in sequence feel
offended by it because they have the perception that its use somehow
demeans females.  Even of the letters were C, A and T, or D, O and G,
a similar situation would result.  Similarly there are people equally
offended when the letters MAN are replaced by PERSON or something
else, or the work changed entirely.
We need to understand that the word is not the problem, it is simply a
convenient hook to hang your coat on.  When we understand this, maybe
we will start to resolve things.
Regards,
Ian A. White, CPEng
waiwhite@zip.com.au
WAI Engineering
Sydney 2000
Australia
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Subject: flexiable remote valve operator by Teleflex
From: Paschenbrenn@simplot.com (Paul Aschenbrenner)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:46:46
I have used one of them and I'm happy with it.   It uses a spiral wound cable 
as a push pull gear driver.  The cable is in a fairly stiff flexiable housing 
that has to be ridigely supported every 4 feet or so.  It makes a continious 
circuit around a gear at the handwheel operating station over to a simular 
gear on the remote valve and returning back to the handwheel station.  The 
operator has lots of torque and is used by the U. S. Navy on board ships so it 
has to work pretty well.  It is limited by short distances in that if the 
valve and the operator are too close to each other you don't get enough cable 
to achieve all of the turns necessary to full open a multi turn valve.  The 
cable has a splice in it that cant pass through the gear.
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Subject: Re: WARNING to all NON-LICENSED ENGINEERS
From: Dug
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 18:08:41 -0600
Harris Johnson wrote:
>> 
> A few observations:  There are very qualified engineers who are not
> PE's.  In fact I have even known a couple who were not college
> graduates, but for whom I hold the highest respect.
> 
> There are some PE's who frankly are just not someone I would trust to do
> any work for me.  What I have observed is that the probability of
> someone being highly qualified, capable, and ethical seems to increase
> among PE's  Is this self selection, concern for the license, or some
> other factor?  I do not know.
> 
> 
Very well put.  What you've described is true most likely the world
over.  I am interested in this discussion because things seem to be
quite different down there.  In Canada, only after acquireing a degree
in engineering can you join the Society of Professional Engineers and
then, only after you have had your career reviewed every six months for
four years can you take the test and call yourself a P.eng (Our eq to PE
I guess).  It is a very serious punishable offence to call yourself a
P.eng when you are not one.
-- 
****************************************************
*	Doug Krokosz
*	Mechanical Engineering
*	University of Manitoba
*	umkroko0@cc.umanitoba.ca
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~umkroko0/
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Subject: Re: Engineering PhD's
From: morra@onramp.net (Morra)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 23:22:30 GMT
In article <56huie$k91@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
   jbszee@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>I chose the Ph.D., because it is immediately recognized, and there is
>no question as to your degree.  An Sc.D may not offer the "Brand
>Recognition" factor.
You are correct concerning brand recognition.  I think brand recognition
has much less value these days with businesses, as world competition has
required a much leaner and meaner performance.  Your degree is always in
question through your performance.
>By the way, which schools offer the DE degree?
Southern Methodist University, Dallas TX
>Dr. James B. Schutz
>Materials Engineer
>Boulder, Colorado
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Subject: Re: Titles in the Workplace (was Re: Drafting Software Survey)
From: Carolyn Dougherty
Date: 15 Nov 1996 03:55:58 GMT
I was assistant city engineer of a small midwestern town awhile back...I'll 
never forget a conversation I had with the (male) personnel director one time.  
I told him there was a better expression than "workMAN's comp"--plenty of 
people who worked in the city weren't men.  He was absolutely 
bewildered--"worker's comp" had never occurred to him.  Moral of 
story--people will sometimes go for the sexist title even when it's a more 
awkward locution (like "draftsman" instead of "drafter").
Carolyn Dougherty
carolyn@accesscom.net
"At last," cried Emerson.  "Free from forges, farms and factories.  How I long to 
write my masterpiece!"  "No," said Thoreau, "let's go drinking."   _Dreams_
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Subject: Electromechanical Design
From: HRINGLEB@LEVER.uwaterloo.ca (H Ingleby)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:12:27 GMT
I am seeking information on grad programs that specialize in electromechanical 
 system and device design. Any pointers would be appreciated - I haven't had 
much luck searching on the Web so far.
Thanks in advance,
Harry Ingleby
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Subject: Re: Engineering PhD's
From: tsblue@longleaf.com (Thomas S. Blue)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 05:11:22 GMT
klwasson@aol.com wrote:
...stuff, and then...
>Juan Vitali wrote:
...more stuff
and then he wrote...
>By the way "PhD" stands for "Permanent head Damage."
the way I understood it, the progression is:
BS - BullSh*t
MS - More Sh*t
PhD - Piled higher & Deeper
+
  Thomas S. Blue - tsblue@longleaf.com - www.longleaf.com
  Environmental Consulting and Engineering
  PhD student - Civil Engineering & Soil Science
+
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Subject: Re: Drafting Software Survey
From: glena@bbs.cruzio.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 17:11:03 GMT
(Peter Skelton) writes:
> I'm married to the drafting supervisor at a local plant. She flatly prefers
> drafter or draftsperson but wouldn't make an issue of it, after all there
> are real problems to be dealt with. 
> 
> As I want to stay married another twenty years, I'll be polite. 
> 
> Most sexism is lazyness, insensitivity or stupidity. There is a slight
> possibility that your drafter considers you incorrigible in that way and
> dosen't feel you're worth the emotional energy and career risk involved.
But, but .... but, the word "draftsman" is just a title, meaning
*one* who drafts.  There is not gender associated with it at all.
If one were to train a dog or cat to draft, it's still an appropriate
title.
Do not underestimate your abilities.  That is your boss's job.
It is your job to find ways around your boss's roadblocks.
_______________________________________________________________
Glen Appleby  glena@bbs.cruzio.com  http://www2.cruzio.com/~glena/
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Subject: Micropower Impulse Radar
From: Nebu John Mathai
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 05:32:53 GMT
I was wondering if anyone here is familiar with Micropower Impulse Radar 
(developed at lawrence Livermore).
I was wondering if you could help me out: I need to buy a MIR radar chip. 
I understand that one exists for under $20, but I have not been able to 
find out where. If anyone here knows of such a chip could you please tell me.
I only have limited access to USENET, so if you could cc a message to my 
address, that you be appreciated.
Thanks very much.
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Subject: Re: Engineering PhD's
From: "Arthur E. Sowers"
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 21:34:39 -0500
In reference to what the person who emphasized a DE over a PhD said, I'd
like that person to give more background on who he is and why he said what
he said and give some references for that emphasis. PhD degrees come out
of "graduate schools" which are umbrellas over all departments except
"odd" areas. A few schools may, out of convention (or maybe in certain
parts of the world), a Doctor of Engineering or a Doctor of Science
degree, instead of a Doctor of Philosophy. I have not been everywhere in
the world, but I have rarely heard of substantial & meaningfulness to a DE
vs a PhD. There are a few Doctor of Arts (a PhD without a
dissertation) programs, and a PhD out of a college of education can be a
EdD rather than a PhD. And out of professional schools the initials can be
different (eg DDS, LLD, etc). And lastly, one can sometimes get a BA
(batchelor of arts) instead of a BS degree simply by putting a checkmark
on the graduation card (this was a fact where I got my BS degree) but
otherwise little curriculum content definition was important. A BSx, where
x= engineering (eg. EE, ME, etc) did have curriculum content requirements.
I do not know the (mission-orriented) engineering field job markets like
the (discipline-orriented) pure science job markets, but I would tend to
expect that there are many more job openings for BS level than Doctoral
level people. What kind of doctoral level may be much less important than
a match between a specific person and a specific employer's needs. 
Art Sowers
(http://www.access.digex.net/~arthures/homepage.htm)
==== no change to below, included for reference and context ====
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Morra wrote:
> username  wrote:
> >There has been a lot of talk here about the bad situation for PhD's in 
> >the biological sciences who just end up going thru one postdoc after the 
> >other. But what about those who get doctorates in one of the engineering 
> >fields such as civil, mechanical or chemical. What is the job market like 
> >for those who have doctorates in engineering fields.
> 
> I would suggest you look into engineering doctorate degrees, such as the DE
> (Doctor of Engineering) or the DSc (Doctor of Science), instead of the PhD
> (Doctor of Philosophy).  The DE and DSc are more generalist and the PhD is
> more specialist.  Industrial jobs place a much higher value on generalists
> than specialists these days.  I have a DE and find myself in very high demand
> and very well paid, so it seems my investment has paid off.  I have noticed
> that only a few schools offer these degrees, so you might have some difficulty
> in learning of the generalist doctorate options.
> 
> >To what extent does the discipline and area of research make a 
> >difference. I recall that Dan Riley posted sometime back how he 
> >researched different areas in physics before commiting to the area of his 
> >choice and how his choice enabled him to end up getting several offers 
> >after graduation. But that may have been an isolated case. 
> 
> Companies selling electronic devices would like electrical, mechanical, and
> computer science disciplines and research.  But this edge is really trivial.
> Flexibility, adaptibility, critical thinking, analysis and composition on
> a wide range of business issues, ability to abstract, etc. are valued.  These
> are some common doctorate skills, so a chemical engineer may be generating
> capital requests or evaluating epoxies for semiconductor die mount.  Offers
> after graduation is more related to your chemistry, your spirit, your
> willingness to learn, your capacity to learn, how you treat others (especially
> non-doctorates, read as humble), etc.  These factors are important in an
> interview.
> 
> >Recently one gentleman with degrees in materials engineering from MIT 
> >posted about his layoff from his research job. Is the job market 
> >really that bad for PhD's in all disciplines? How easy (or difficult) is 
> >it for someone with a doctorate to find a job as a research engineer?
> 
> Every one from the CEO down is subject to layoff these days, so don't even
> bother worrying or just worry on Saturday mornings for 60 minutes.
> 
> >I have to make a decision whether or not I should actually be going all 
> >the way for a PhD. Having seen the cases of many a friends and after 
> >reading posts, I am starting to wonder if a PhD is really worth all the 
> >time, money and effort. Any help would do.
> 
> A doctorate is worth it, but this post recommends a DE or DSc, not a PhD.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Subject: opening of a faculty position in KOREA
From: jckim@camars.kaist.ac.kr (Jin Chun Kim)
Date: 16 Nov 1996 03:49:59 GMT
KYUNGSUNG UNIVERSITY
Department of Computer Engineering
The Department of Computer Engineering, Kyungsung University, in Pusan KOREA, 
anticipates one opening for faculy member to start in march, 1997.
Specialization in software engineering is desirable. 
Closing date for accepting applications is November 27, 1996.
For more detailed informations for application, please call university 
at (051)620-4021. Also you can get information from the internet home page
at http://www.kyungsung.ac.kr.
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Subject: Problem Solving Techniques: PPS-4 SYNERGY
From: waxman@ix.netcom.com(Milton Waxman)
Date: 16 Nov 1996 04:00:22 GMT
Poetry for Problem Solving-4
SYNERGY
Synergy is like 
combining 2 and 3 
and getting 
99.  
Far more comes out from 
the combination 
than you had any right to expect 
from what went into it.
Synergistic systems have 
two or more somethings; 
elements, parts, processes, components
or combination of these 
that, together, 
either produce 
far more or far different
results than would be expected 
from the properties of 
either one 
alone.
SOME PROBLEMS WHERE 
YOU SHOULD LOOK FOR SYNERGY
Any process not performing 
as well as desired, such as:
A process where a bottleneck 
limits performance.
An unbalanced process where 
some parts aren't
doing as well
as the rest.
A problem or task where 
multiple ways exist 
for doing the job.
WAYS TO FIND SYNERGY
Describe your system 
and ID those elements
which limit performance.  
Then look for 
a complementary element 
that could eliminate 
the limitation,
counteract it,
or cut it down to size.  
Another way 
to achieve synergy 
is to have one process 
put the elements into 
a preferred condition 
so the other process can function 
much more efficiently.
Employing a 
simple decision process 
that requires little 
intelligence or effort,
can often eliminate 
lots of later work,
or reduce the level 
of resources needed 
to do the work.
WHY  DOES
SYNERGY  
WORK?	
Synergy results from two or more 
complementary processes. 
One process, independently,
does something that aids 
the other in performing its task. 
For example, Ms. Spratt 
could only eat fat
so she would leave
75 % 
on her plate for garbage.
Mr. Spratt, aka Jack, 
could only eat the lean;
so he would leave 25% 
in the garbage.
However, their 
synergistic combination 
would result in a plate licked clean.
No garbage at all. 
Highly efficient food utilization.
Any time you have 
two or more processes
which, together, 
meet all requirements,
but individually can not; 
try and use them together.
For example, 
in filing your nails,
or milling a part,
or solving an equation numerically;
typically 
one should 
use two tools,
one for the coarse work,
and then one for the fine detail. 
Neither one is satisfactory 
by itself
for the entire task,
but the combination 
is great.
OTHER PROBLEM SOLVING METHODS 
ARE CLOSE RELATIVES OF SYNERGY
A. Catalysts
B. Thresholding
C. Orthogonal Operations
OF COURSE THERE CAN BE 
PROBLEMS WITH 
OBTAINING SYNERGY
You may not find 
complementary components for
the current component.
SYNERGY EXAMPLES
Comedy teams with 
a "smart" 
and 
a "dumb" 
partner.
Burns and Allen;
Laurel  and 
Ollie (the fat one)
Song writers,
one does words 
the other does the music.
Rodgers and Hart, 
Gershwin and Gershwin,
words by Ira, music 
by George!
Then there is
Cole and Porter
who said 
"Why does it take 
two people 
to write 
one song?"
To examine the actions of atoms 
near absolute zero COLD,
like 0.002 Degrees above 
ABSOLUTE ZERO
conventional cooling techniques
used to get superconductivity 
just can't hack it..
The cooling alone can't get
atoms to zero velocity;
nor can Light Beams slow down 
a lot of fast moving atoms.
However by cooling the atoms
and then
containing a few atoms
in a cold chamber, 
one can use light beams to slow 
individual cooled atoms
to near zero velocity 
and thus have them very cold
Increasing speed of access
by sorting data
so that it can be accessed in a 
structured linear or 
simple algorithmic 
fashion rather than 
every time having 
to go through
from the start.
Stereochemistry is a way of
maximizing the interaction of 
chemical elements.
One aligns elements 
for maximal interaction
by orienting pairs of elements 
for easiest mating.
Like fitting together
hand in glove.
Holding or propping 
a door open 
so people stream through 
instead of each one having 
to stop 
to open 
and shut 
the door.
Processing systems where early decisions
reduce later work.
High speed H/W 
can use
simpler S/W 
for more complex applications. 
Intelligent S/W 
can result in 
simpler H/W.
Compressing a data file,
before transmitting it.
Saves space and your time.
Spices 
bring out the flavor 
inherent in some foods 
which have minimal flavor 
on their own.  
Something where there are 
two or more alternative/complementary
ways of doing something.
Generate a set of complementary or orthogonal 
functions, techniques, capabilities; 
for example:
Electrical, magnetic, mechanical, 
chemical, and optical systems
Computing vs. table look-up
Feedback-Feedforward
Random -Sequential
Chaotic vs. structured
Plastics vs. metals
Aluminum vs. steel
Active vs. Passive
Early vs. Late Decisions
Design Time vs. Run Time Functions
A Process, for those 
who aren't process oriented, 
is the way you do your work, 
or the way a set of actions 
is performed 
to produce
a result or a product.
Copyright © 1996 M. J. Waxman, 
unpublished work, all rights reserved. 
Milton Waxman, Ph. D.
Sierota Systems: Developers of the Genius Handbook (TM)
Applying Creativity To Increase Your Bottom Line
Technique 1.0 Always Consider Local Conditions
Technique 2.0 Always Test The Constraints
114 Parsippany Road,   #1
Whippany, NJ 07981-1126
Internet: waxman@ix.netcom.com
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Subject: Re: plastic sensor
From: aalmoian@msmail3.hac.com
Date: 15 Nov 1996 17:19:44 GMT
> Thorsten Kominek (101615.733@CompuServe.COM) wrote:
> : Hallo all,
> : how can I achieve to find a piece of plastic among leaves and 
> : little twigs. What kind of sensor am I able to use? Ultrasound? 
> : Who can help me? There must be a different "behaviour" between 
> : plastic and organic stuff like leaves. Can someone help me?
I do this all the time.  Takes about 3 months - in the compost bin.  The
leaves turn into this nice black earthy stuff and the plastic remains
unchanged and sticks out.
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Subject: Re: When will the U.S. finally go metric?
From: pausch@electra.saaf.se (Paul Schlyter)
Date: 14 Nov 1996 19:42:12 +0100
In article ,
James Logajan  wrote:
> Finally, there are many subfields where the "base" units are not SI: the barn
> in nuclear physics; the Angstrom in atomic physics; setting c = 1 (speed of
> light) in relativistic kinematics; Parsec or light-year in astronomy, the
> electron volt in atomic/nuclear physics; and I'm sure one can find a few
> other examples like this in the sciences. And most of these are used
> universally in their respective fields.
A few more examples:
Meteorology:  the milli-bar (or, as they say now, the hecto-Pascal)
Astronomy:  the day, and the year
-- 
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Grev Turegatan 40,  S-114 38 Stockholm,  SWEDEN
e-mail:  pausch@saaf.se     psr@home.ausys.se    paul@inorbit.com
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Subject: Re: Heat build up question
From: gauthier@auxilium.com (Robert Gauthier)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 96 05:36:24 GMT
In article <328B666C.15C@concentric.net>,
   "S. A. Maas"  wrote:
>mindy and will wrote:
>> 
>> Hello!  I am searching for some information for a co-worker who has some
>> concerns about heat build up.  His question is:
>> 
>> Do home and small business computers and their peripherals draw enough
>> amperage to cause a concern for heat build up if the cords are bundled
>> and placed in wire management?
>> 
>> We would really appreciate any comments you may have on this subject.
>> TIA for your help!
>> 
>> Melinda Jones
>> mindynwill@sprynet.com
>
>
>Almost certainly not.  Most ordinary PCs draw only a couple of amps, and 
>it is hard to see how even a large bundle of adequate cords could 
>generate any significant heat.  Of course, you can screw up anything: if 
>someone put a bad splice in an electric cord, or included a dirty plug 
>and socket, all bets are off.
yes, but the real problem with pc is not load (heat), it is harmonics. you can 
not put more than 2 pc on one circuit (breaker) because of harmonic coming 
from cheap switching power supply in use in the PCs.
Robert
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Subject: Re: WARNING to all NON-LICENSED ENGINEERS
From: "Jack A. Bush"
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 22:31:09 -0800
Dug wrote:
> 
> Harris Johnson wrote:
> >...There are very qualified engineers who are not
> > PE's.  In fact I have even known a couple who were not college
> > graduates, ...
As one of the above cited "mustangs," I submit that there is a qualita-
tive difference between one who has the job title of Whatever Engineer,
and has the title on his **COMPANY-PROVIDED** business cards (and, when
appropriate, distributes those cards), and one who holds himself out as
a Professional Engineer in private practice.  Also, in my personal bali-
wick (I'm a software jock.), there is a great deal of blather going on
about "Software Engineering."  Where are the EIT/PE exams/standards for
Professional Software Engineers?  If there are none, can I, upon my re-
tirement from the corporate wars, legitamately, or even lawfully, set up
a practice as a Software Engineer?
(Sigh!) I guess I'll just change my name to Dogbert, and set up as a
consultant!
10/Q,
Jack
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Subject: Re: When will the U.S. finally go metric?
From: d005794c@dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (James Wentworth)
Date: 15 Nov 1996 23:14:19 GMT
This is a most interesting thread.  However, no one gave an answer to the 
question, "When will the U.S. finally go metric?"  My answer is, "never."
A more meaningful question would be, "Why should the U.S. go metric at 
all?"  There are no doubt many answers to this question, but my response 
would be that there is _no_ compelling reason for the U.S. to do so.  The 
global economy and interdependence arguments are mere bogies.  Up until 
about 1965, the U.S. was capable of manufacturing all of the goods 
needed/wanted by industry and the citizenry, respectively.  In other 
words, an American could purchase a toaster, radio, automobile, or 
anything else he/she needed that was designed and manufactured in the 
U.S. using domestic labor and materials.  I don't know what the U.S. 
population was in 1965, but it certainly provided a large enough market 
to sustain our industry.  Our population is considerably larger today, so 
it would surely provide a more than adequate market for U.S. goods and 
services.  The fact that this is not the case today is due to corporate 
greed and greed and shortsighted thinking on the part of politicians.
If we wished, we could once again be a self-contained economy and 
society.  The backlash against NAFTA and GATT are the first signs of our 
possible return to our former economic state of affairs.  In such a 
situation, we can and will use whatever system of weights and measures we 
choose with impunity.  If other nations don't like it, so be it.
However, there is a more immediate reason the U.S. shouldn't go metric.  
Why should we use an inherently inferior measurement system?  The 
American Standards Association (ASA) units are more practical than their 
metri
James
--
James J. Wentworth
d005794c@dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us
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Subject: New Web Site for Industry -- Free logon!
From: "Ray Kolenda"
Date: 16 Nov 96 13:46:24 GMT
A mega site for industries.
http://www.industryone.net
Thanks
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Subject: Decision Support Systems
From: Gurmukh S Neote
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:19:45 +0000
Hi,
I'm a 4th year Industrial Engineering Student, and I'm doing a project
on Decision Support Systems.  I would appreciate it if anyone were to
provide me with any sort of references on the subject and most
importantly, I'm specifically looking for applications of DSS within
manufacturing systems design and operation.
Thank you very much for your time and effort :)
Regards,
Gurmukh
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Subject: Re: WARNING to all NON-LICENSED ENGINEERS
From: cliff
Date: 16 Nov 1996 14:53:03 GMT
Jack these organizations wanting to eliminate industy exemption don't 
realize what effect it will have on people like yourself.
I might agree with more regulation if they have fair ideas on how to 
handle the unlicensed engineers now working in the field.
There are many more non-licensed engineers in the work force than are
licensed.
Cliff W.
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Subject: Re: Fighting Complexity
From: "Michael E. Fye"
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 08:04:18 -0800
> I've sat here for quite a while staring at your question.  I wish I could
> answer it.  The situation reminds me of something Tony Rizzo said here a
> couple years ago.  Paraphrasing (very loosely, probably), learning cannot
> begin until one admits the possibility that one doesn't already have all the
> answers.  A tactic that might work in a few situations is to challenge the
> other person to put his money behind his answer.  I don't see how that would
> fit in your predicament.  I think a lot of analysts would seek verification
> by prototype before betting their own money on their predictions.
> I have a quote on my desk that says "IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BEGIN TO LEARN THAT WHICH 
ONE THINKS ONE ALREADY KNOWS"  - EPICTETUS .  That must be, what, two or three 
thousand years ago?  
That quote to me says that no matter how much you think you know, you can always 
learn more.  If, and only if, you let your professional ego allow you to learn will 
you learn.  Question everything.  
My $0.02
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Appearance Technology Development        Delco Electronics Corporation 
Audio and Communication Systems Global Product Unit    
R231 Kokomo, Indiana 
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Subject: Telemaintenance on biomedical devices
From: SANZ Remi
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 18:28:52 +0100
Hi,
Can anyone tell me where to find information about :
        1. telemaintenance or/and telediagnostic on biomedical devices 	
(radiography unit, scanner, MRI, hemodialysis unit, ventilator, 	
monitoring, ,...)
        2. LASER marking (engraving) on surgical instrumentation (bar code)
Thank you for your help.
Remi SANZ
Biomedical engineer student ( U.T.C Compiegne - France)
sanzr@imaginet.fr
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Subject: REQUEST FOR COLLABORATION IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH.
From: scienza@pianeta.it
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 20:20:26 +0100
REQUEST FOR COLLABORATION IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH.
We make research and actually we are completly financed by a committent.
For new researches we would like to have the collaboration of Industrial
Partners, interested in introducing advanced items in their market.
Every item is patented or can be patented.  
In Europe there is the possibility for Partners to have E.C.C. founds to
whom we are not interested in any way. We are looking for financial
Partners and for laboratories too in order to realize practically and
industrially our discoveries.
	These are some of the fields we are working in :
1 - INDUSTRIAL INSULATION
	The subtitution of the actual insulating materials ( plastic foams,
rock wool ) generally known to have long term defects and ecological
problems with new insulating elements e.g. special foamed and not foamed
and dense glass or ceramic elements, ecologically perfect and lasting 20
- 50 year
and recycling possibility.
2 - METAL PRODUCTION
	We have developed a new metal-organic ecological route to obtain
metals; e.g. magnesium, titanium, zirconium, silicon, aluminium, so
saving energy.
3 - High temperature service development of a stable SELF EXTINGUISHING
epoxy resin with electrical high insulation power 
	Epoxy resins and epoxy foams for long term usage at 200° C / 250° C for
continuos service.
4 - RAPID ULTRAVIOLET PRODUCTION OF SPECIAL URETHANE - ACRILATE
	Abrasion resistant, excellent flexibility and stability for films,
flooring protection, car protection, paper protection, metal and mortar
protection. Unlimited applications for item protection.
5 - NEW RESINS
	High temperature, oil, grease, water, solvent resistant till 300° C.
	We are engaged in many types of researches, from plastic to ceramic, to
ceramic superconductors etc.
If You think to have the same interest in our researches, or if You have
specific items to subject us along with our type of research, or if You
are interested in financing, receiving an eventual license or if You are
interested in a local collaboration with us,
please send an E-MAIL and we would be glad to answer You
scienza@pianeta.it
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Subject: the solution
From: scienza@pianeta.it
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 20:45:28 +0100
INTERNET
Some people prefear to go on thinking that the Einstein’s relativity
theory is right , thinking that  matter cannot reach and substain light
velocity, because in this case  matter would have an infinitive mass ,
and it would be necessary to transfer to it an infinitive quantity of
energy to reach light velocity.
At the same time the physics substain that at elemental material level
the time does not exist and that in normal conditions it is not possible
to travel in the time.
As opposite to what mentioned before, the writer, after 20 years of
research out of the pubblic ufficial circuit of the physical research, 
can prove that things  are different.
Some examples of his  theories follows:
-The conception of time and space given by Einstein Relativity  is
completly inconsistent applied to the case of light velocity of the
matter and the time is translated by some physical, heavy consistent
material particles but normally invisible.
In many cases the theories substained by the physics are uncomplete or
inadeguated to describe the reality, but  because of their lack to give
an explanation to the real phenomenons; they continue to substain that
their concepts is the only truth, thing that is false in the reality.
- The Writer gives some information about: 1) travels of matter at light
velocity in present time, 2) the explanation of the natural composition
of the elemental particles that translate the time in the matter, 3) the
explanation of the forces unification, where it is explained the natural
formation in the sub-elemental particles of the electricity, of the
magnetism and the gravity, 4) explanation of matter at null temperature,
where the quarks can be visible and free, because they are stopped in
the space, expanded and enlarged 10(18 ) times or 1 billion of billions
of times and they are freely visible at naked eyes for about 10 minutes
and they reveal their true physical nature as physical particles.
The Writer brings explanations and  ascertained cases which confutate
the Einstein’s relativity theory substaining that the matter can not
travel at light velocity. 
The contrary is possible. It is given the right explanation of the whole
physical world (included that the real physical structure of the space
is " not "empty" , but it has a completly different structure  
" normally " not ascertainable ").
End of December 1996 it will be ready a book , entitled "THE
QUADRIDIMENTIONAL UNIVERSE", where  in about 420 pages with colour
photos and pictures , the writer explains these theories and many other
concepts  not already reached by the officials science.
Shipment: per Airmail.
Possible markets: All countries except for  Italy , Switzerland , Japan,
Cina , C.S.I.  and related Countries 
DEPOSITED AND PROTECTED CONTENTS SINCE 1994
PLEASE REPLY FOR MORE INFOS OR TO READ FURTHER PAGES:
scienza@pianeta.it
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Subject: Cheap Process Simulation Software References Needed
From: 73623.3437@compuserve.com (Mark J. Potter)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 22:13:19 GMT
My first attempt to post this message seems to have been offered as a
sacrifice to the USENET gods. If it shows up, please ignore it.
I have been using a high-end process simulator and have been very
satisfied with it. Unfortunately, budget cutting might force me to a
cheap low-end DOS-based simulator which I find unacceptable for my
needs (not to mention the productivity reduction). 
My only hope is to find some cheap or public domain software or code
to take up the slack.  What I need is software that will do one or
more of the following (in no particular order) :
* Calculate and plot ternary VLE diagrams
* Close material balances by the maximum-likelhood method (not least
squares)
* An optimizer to maximize or minimize an objective function (such as
flow rate or return on investment)
*  A multi-variable controller, ie., use two or more independent
variables to simultaneously reach a specification on the same number
of dependent variables
* VLE/LLE regression by the maximum-likelihood method
* Tweak VLE to match plant column results
* Do equipment sizing and costing (allowing user's cost corrrelations)
and capital costing
* A distillation program (Newton) with very flexible specifications
* A sensitivity anaylsis with more than one independent variable
The key is that the software must be CHEAP and preferably free.
Productivity does not seem to be a concern anymore.
Any references will be appreciated!
Mark J. Potter, P.E.
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Subject: WASTEWATER TREATMENT MODELLING
From: gerkelly@iol.ie
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 06:29:30 GMT
Hello all,
I am interested in finding information on the mathematical modelling
of activated sludge wastewater treatment plants and how much success
has been achieved in replicating real activated sludge plants. 
Info on the different types of model that are being developed would be
of interest especially ones that take into account
nitrification/denitrification. I am particularly interested in
computer programs that may be available on the net.
I am about to begin developing a model myself and would be interest in
any groups that are involved in same.
Thanks in advance
Ger Kelly
gerkelly@iol.ie
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Subject: aqueous cleaner recycling
From: kahn28@aol.com
Date: 16 Nov 1996 22:30:22 GMT
Membrex has introduced a revolutionary new technology for recycling
aqueous cleaners, mopwater and mass finishing compounds that is worth
checking out.  If you use such cleaners this new system can be used to
reduce your cleaner usage by up to 85% while reducing wastewater volume by
up to 98%.  More importantly, cleaning quality is dramaticaly improved by
removing oil and dirt contaminants continuously.  Visit Membrex's home
page on the internet at membrex.com.
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Subject: Re: When will the U.S. finally go metric?
From: kai@khms.westfalen.de (Kai Henningsen)
Date: 16 Nov 1996 18:20:00 +0200
kuhn@cs.purdue.edu (Markus Kuhn)  wrote on 15.11.96 in <328CDC3B.6ADA@cs.purdue.edu>:
> [About the U.S. way of writing a 1 as a single vertical stroke: I
> personally think it is a bit of a pain in science classes when you copy
> notes from a blackboard, because a subscript 1 and a comma after a
> variable are absolutely not distinguishable, and often the context also
> gives you not many hints. But as Americans confuse the European
> handwritten 1 with a American handwritten 7 (no vertical bar) very
> easily, I gave up the European upstroke at the 1. However I still write
> my 7 the European way, as this causes no confusion and adds some safety
> redundancy. I guess this is the optimal digit compatibility solution.]
Two points:
1. Isn't that "no horizontal bar"?
2. I've had (snail) mail address problems because of this. My house number  
is 31. Now, when I have to order something from abroad, and when those  
people *don't* allow email/web/whatever orders, it often comes back  
addressed to house number 37. Grrr. Whoever invented this one should be  
roast on a small flame (very, very slowly).
Kai
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Subject: direction and distance finder
From: "Chris Gillies"
Date: 16 Nov 1996 23:53:00 GMT
Good Morning,
I am intersted in any information that may apply to the development of an
underwater distance and direction finder. I have a non engineering
background, and at the moment I am trying to find the best theoretical
sources (texts etc.) that will help me galvanise my thoughts.
I have considered the use of radio frequency, sonar, and GPS technology,
and I would really appreciate a list of sources that would give me a better
understanding of the working of these types technology.
All comments welcomed.
Chris Gillies
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Subject: Electronics Directory
From: Todd Peterson
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 17:55:18 -0600
Greetings!
E-LAB Digital Engineering, Inc. is pleased to make freely available our new
Electronics Internet Resource Directory!
This directory is a collection of many internet sites of use to
electronics builders, designers, and engineers.  It is divided into
40 categories, with each category containing many hot-links to companies
and/ or web pages containing information on topics from Compilers to
Code Examples to Components Distributors.
The directory is available at http://www.netins.net/showcase/elab
You WILL want to set a bookmark!
We also invite you to check out our products, such as our new line of
integrated circuits for embedded design.
Thanks,
Todd Peterson
E-LAB Digital Engineering, Inc.
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