Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution
From: "walter m. cummings"
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 21:28:53 -0600
Steve Geller wrote:
>
> Wayne Shanks wrote:
>
> > I have seen several creationist calculation for the probability of
> > simple amino-acid formation, and they come up with a VERY high
> > improbibility. These calculations were done assuming no or little
> > particle interation. The situation they are calculation is akin to the
> > thermodynamics problem of computing the probability of all the gass
> > atoms in the room collecting in a pile on the floor.
> > [...]
> > It is true that we do not know how to properly calculate the
> > propability of abiogenisis, but that is just a matter of studying
> > physical chemistry (no small job). I am shure abiogenisis was not a
> > "ramdom" event but a energetically favored event in a special
> > environment.
>
> Right. But you are actually thinking about it as a real problem.
>
> The Creationists just use the "improbability" argument as a propaganda
> tool.
>
> It's intellectually dishonest, because a creation has zero probability,
> doesn't it?
>
> --
> Steve Geller
> (to be sure I respond to your reply, E-Mail it to me)
The question of the genesis of life is not exactly a pure scientific
question. Science cannot return to the point that nothing existed.
When science tries to trace facts backwards ( this I think anyone can
agree with ) they have been faced with great failures in evidence and
have not been able to replicate any hypothesis. Scientific replication
and sound systematic documentation are the basis of all good science.
The trouble with some of the evolutionary theory is in both areas. Even
in this area of expertise there is much disarray as to where and how.
Mix in a good dose of chaos theaory (which in my mind is evolutions best
hope) sudden appearance, a personal favorite, with classic Darwinism and
you got quite a mess. A lack of a fossil record completes the confusion
by science today. ( I won't even go into the terrible
misinterpretations and outright lies "science" has suffered through, but
it would make you appreciate a televangilist. that's a joke) Christians
aren't just snobbish about their faith, they are unconvinced by
science's answers. "It could happen," is not a better scenario than
that of faith. Now, theorectically, think---back before matter, would
there be time, if not (and Einstien believed time only existed in a
reality with matter) think back before time, before it all. Open your
eyes there and see God.
Subject: Requesting Geologist Information
From: kaw8761@jccv05.jmsaca.sunyjcc.edu (KAW)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 03:23:02 GMT
Ever since I was young I have had a fascination with Geology, and
everything tied to it. I can remember scavenging through creekbeds
and digging my way through the earth to find new specimans for my rock
collection. Now I am soon to be graduating from junior college with
an associate in Math/Science. I wish to transfer to a university with
a good Geology program. But my concern is when I have my BA or BS
(The university I am looking at now, I am leaning towards the BA.)
Where do I go? Is there a major need for Geologists with just a BA?
My advisor at my college now, is geared toward the techical sciences
so his knowledge of earth science related opportunities is limited. I
would really appreciate if someone could put my thoughts at ease, that
I am not making a mistake, going for the BA in Geology. I truely love
it. I just want to make a decent living out there.
Thank you for your time,
Kerry Andrew Wilson
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Subject: POSITION Executive Director
From: "Monroe J. Singer"
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 23:09:05 -0500
Executive Director for the Bahamian Field Station, a not-for-profit
educational and research institution on the remote island of San Salvador,
Bahamas. PhD in the Natural Sciences, with good communication, mechanical
and business skills required. As head administrator, responsibilities
include overall organization and management of the Field Station and the
physical plant, designing of programs, grantsmanship, coordination of
research, planning and management of supply and travel logistics, and
overall supervision of the Bahamian staff. Send request for more detailed
information by December 15, 1996 to Dr. Donald T. Gerace, 3616 Peace River
Dr., Punta Gorda, FL 33983, or e-mail to: peace@flnet.com.
Subject: Travel, Rock&Fossil; show, France
From: Marilyn.Fraser@logicbbs.org
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 19:10:52 -0500
Hi,
I am a mature female geology student at Erindale campus, U of Toronto. I am
planning a trip to the Rock, Fossil and Mineral show in Ste-Marie-aux-Mines
in France in June 1997. The show is reputed to be the 3rd largest after
Tucson and Munich. I wonder of anyone is interested in accompanying me.
I will be travelling cheeeapest way possible, using Int'l Student ID,
Eurailpass, Hostels, etc. At present, I plan to travel for the month of June
from Frankfurt to Heidelberg, Karlsruhe, and other historically interesting
sites with the show the last weekend of June as my goal. From there, I would
return via Strasbourg then to Frankfurt and home. I have been doing a
considerable amount of travelling research -- at the library, on the
internet, etc.
Would be happy to hear from anyone who might be interested in this idea. I
usually receive and invitation and two passes to the show every year. I
decided this year I AM GOING TO GO.
Marilyn Fraser
silver@pathcom.com
Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution
From: Kris Schumacher
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 22:38:50 -0500
On 15 Nov 1996, Ed Conrad wrote:
> alweiner@presstar.com (Alan Weiner) wrote:
>
> >Name and publisher of book pls. What evidence do they use to support
> >this conjecture?
>
> >In article <32853A38.38E7@gte.net>, ashes@gte.net says...
> >>
> >>I read in a science book that there is a greater posibility of a
> >>printinng press exploding and forming webster's dictionary completly by
> >>accident; as opposed to the world being created from some dead matter.
>
>
> Ashes to ashes,
> Dust to dust.,
> Got to correct you,
> THAT I must!
>
> T'wasn't that book
> you're referring to.
> An ENCYCLOPEDIA,
> If you want to know.
>
clearly, it's a silly unscientific quote from some frustrated
writer who couldn't grasp concepts and had to lash out at everyone else
for being smarter by saying a ridiculous lie. I do the same thing myself,
or at least I did when I was younger. . .but it doesn't really deserve
consideration just because it's a quote or because it is in print.
If a printing press were to explode, and the matter from that was
to form any book previously written (or any original work, for that
matter), It would have created a better part of human culture from
nothing. These seems a lot less probable, don't you think? A book
implies a writer and a culture, so even if the culture doesn't exist, it
would be created by the explosion that creates a book.
ALSO, ... (I can't stop myself from writing...) To say the world
created by some dead matter sounds silly. What is the world that this
refers to? You used dead as if to mean inert, and matter generally isn't
inert. {now let me proceed into metaphysics} matter which isn't inert is
moving, and movement is energy and energy is life. I don't call light
alive, but that is negative energy. all life is slightly positive.
Choices are not free but freedom is choices and they are energy. this
freedom is not life but consciousness. there are levels of life below
awareness. but this life we don't see as life because it doesn't see
itself as life and then it can't exist as such. all things that we see as
life have some level of awareness which proceeds to where we are fully (?)
conscious and even self-conscious beings. the matter at the start of it
all, which was probably nothing but movement, predicted this. It could
have been no other way. there was no probability. it was 1/1.
of course, for anything to be there rather than nothing, well,
maybe that was improbable, but time was not existant before there was no
time, so probability does not play a role.
Subject: Re: Are Geologists' Heading for Extinction?
From: mikejm@westworld.com
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 00:31:03 -0600
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In article <01bbd2f8$1bc2e360$LocalHost@louis>,
"Louis Hissink" wrote:
>
Oh, so college undergraduates that have no employment experience in the field they are studying are "low lifes".
> 0 years ?.
> you are kidding, I hope.
> Some of the geological low life I have to put up with in the diamond mining
> business would fit that description, mind you.
> Louis
> mikejm@westworld.com wrote in article <3288f916.2397805@news>...
> > If you see anymore of those positions for undergrads with 0 yrs
> > experience please e-mail me.
> > MikeM
> >
>
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