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Subject: salt, ice melting -- From: indiananow@aol.com
Subject: Re: ............... -- From: rtotman@oanet.com (r)
Subject: Re: fluorospar? -- From: rockhuntor@aol.com
Subject: Re: Equinox, Channel4 last Sunday -- From: Martin Hogbin
Subject: Re: info on expanding earth claim sought -- From: edstrom@Poopsie.hmsc.orst.edu (John Edstrom)
Subject: Earthquake in SW England? -- From: ac940@0.0.0.0 (harden)
Subject: Re: info on expanding earth claim sought -- From: edstrom@Poopsie.hmsc.orst.edu (John Edstrom)
Subject: Re: stone or fossil? -- From: Bob Downie
Subject: Morphology of the south Iceland seismic zone -- From: sents@servtech.com (John R. Sents)
Subject: Personal Website, FREE -- From: pho@cadvision.com (Peter Ho)
Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution -- From: paul.johnson@gecm.com (Paul Johnson)
Subject: Re: fluorospar? -- From: Frank_Hollis-1@sbphrd.com.see-sig (Triple Quadrophenic)
Subject: Re: LAWSUIT MAY CLOSE US MINE -- From: kevin kelly
Subject: Re: Earthquake in SW England? -- From: David Frost
Subject: Re: 7 November, PLutonium Day is the only future holiday -- From: Mike Herauf
Subject: A GIS is ready for everybody to test! -- From: nac@zot.io.org (The International NAC Society)
Subject: Question about Hapsgood's theory of axis dislocation -- From: Dan Axtell
Subject: Re: Geological Periodicals? -- From: william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu (William Cordua)
Subject: Bandera Field potential volcanic area NM -- From: shipflag@aol.com
Subject: Free Geology Journal Run -- From: pf13@cornell.edu (arno)
Subject: COEUR GOLDMINE MAY SHUT EARLY -- From: denitegg@wave.co.nz (Denis Tegg)
Subject: cryolite -- From: jdonovan@seismo.berkeley.edu (John J. Donovan)
Subject: Re: Earthquake in SW England? -- From: gga37@cc.keele.ac.uk (Ian G. Stimpson)
Subject: Re: LAWSUIT MAY CLOSE US MINE -- From: "sdef!"
Subject: Re: Question about Hapsgood's theory of axis dislocation -- From: heinrich@intersurf.com (Paul V. Heinrich)
Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution & -- From: Judson McClendon
Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution -- From: Judson McClendon
Subject: Re: Revolutionary Poster at the SEG-meeting in Denver! -- From: "Kasper D. Fischer"
Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution -- From: Jerry
Subject: Are Geologists' Heading for Extinction? -- From: jjknight@facstaff.wisc.edu (JOHN J. KNIGHT)
Subject: Re: salt, ice melting -- From: Melanie Roberti
Subject: Geological History of Indus Valley -- From: phranq@walrus.com
Subject: ERS-1/2 data and Interferogram of subglacial volcanic eruption in Iceland and threatening glacial flood. -- From: Christoph Boehm Doktorand FE
Subject: Re: oops!!!Re: career question -- From: kcb@phoenix.net (K. C. Bennett)
Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution -- From: cc16712@cdsnet.net
Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution -- From: David Hultgren

Articles

Subject: salt, ice melting
From: indiananow@aol.com
Date: 10 Nov 1996 18:25:14 GMT
Searching for data on why salt melts ice and snow, also calcium chloride
and potassium chloride.
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Subject: Re: ...............
From: rtotman@oanet.com (r)
Date: 10 Nov 1996 18:23:42 GMT
In article <328496CE.549F@pianeta.it>, scienza@pianeta.it says:
>
>INTERNET
>
>Some people prefear to go on thinking that the Einstein’s relativity
>theory is right , thinking that  matter cannot reach and substains light
>velocity, because in this case  matter would have an infinitive mass ,
>and it would be necessary to transfer to it an infinitive quantity of
>energy.
>At the same time the physics substain that at elemental material level
>the time does not exist and that in normal conditions it is not possible
>to travel in the time.
>
>As opposite to what mentioned before, the writer, after 20 years of
>research out of the pubblic ufficial circuit of the physical research, 
>can prove that things  are different.
>Some examples of his  theories follows:
>
>-The comception of time and space given by Einstein Relativity  is
>completly inconsistent applied to the case of light velocity of the
>matter , out of light along with the physical and heavy consistance of
>the material invisible particles that translate the time , (towards the
>future or the past).
>In many cases the theories substained by the physics are uncomplete or
>inadeguated to describe the reality, but  because of their lack to give
>an explanation to the real phaenomenouses, they go on thinking  their
>concept as the only truth.
>
>-Some information about: To travel in the time , to travel at light
>velocity , to know the explanation of the forces unification, to know
>the natural formation of the sub-elemental particles of the electricity
>of the magnetism and of the gravity.
>The writers brings explanations and  cases which confutates the
>Einstein’s relativity theory , substaing that the matter can travel at
>light velocity 
>The contrary is possible and it is the right explanation of the world.
>
>End of December 1996 it will be ready a book , entitled "THE
>QUADRIDIMENTIONAL UNIVERSE", where  in about 420 pages with colour
>photos and pictures , the writer explains these theories and many other
>concepts  not already reached by the officials science.
>Shipment: per Airmail.
>Possible markets  :All countries except for  Italy , switzerland ,
>Japan, Cina , URSS  Countries 
>DEPOSITED AND PROTECTED CONTENTS
>
>PLEASE REPLY FOR MORE INFOS :
>
>scienza@pianeta.it
>
This is an inappropriate newsgroup for such a topic. This should appear in
alt.sci.fiction or some similar group.
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Subject: Re: fluorospar?
From: rockhuntor@aol.com
Date: 10 Nov 1996 19:23:53 GMT
Ozark Manony mine in southern Illinois just closed but I don't think there
ore reserves are depleted.
Robert C. Beste, PG
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Subject: Re: Equinox, Channel4 last Sunday
From: Martin Hogbin
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 21:36:16 GMT
I have started a similar thread under 'Earthlight' in this newsgroup.  I 
am lookin for someone who is actually working on this phenomenon.
Martin Hogbin
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Subject: Re: info on expanding earth claim sought
From: edstrom@Poopsie.hmsc.orst.edu (John Edstrom)
Date: 10 Nov 1996 22:15:19 GMT
In article ,
	S Krueger  writes:
> In article <327FFFAE.46BC@geol.utas.edu.au> Mark Duffett,
> M.Duffett@geol.utas.edu.au writes:
...
> 
> First, I am not an advocate of an expanding earth, for reasons I will
> list shortly.
...
Thanks, that helps a lot.
> *******************************************************************
> * S Krueger (skrueger@arco.com)          *                        *
> * This message is personal and does not  *   This Sace For Rent   *
> * reflect the opinions of my employer    *                        *
> *******************************************************************
---
 John Edstrom | edstrom @ slugo.hmsc.orst.edu
 http://www.hmsc.orst.edu/~edstrom
"'Reality is a complex of related hypotheses,' he said pulling up the
horses. 'Take they hypotheses yonder.'  He pointed to a flock of sheep
with the wet end of his sucking straw.  'Now theyse all related in a
complex sort of way so theyse got ter be real ain't they.'
Ned looked at him very hard.  'Ev you been drinkin' with parson
again?'"
	Tim Hart
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Subject: Earthquake in SW England?
From: ac940@0.0.0.0 (harden)
Date: 10 Nov 1996 22:15:07 GMT
Does anyone know anything about an earthquake that was supposed to have
taken place in the UK this morning?
Sheila
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Subject: Re: info on expanding earth claim sought
From: edstrom@Poopsie.hmsc.orst.edu (John Edstrom)
Date: 10 Nov 1996 22:12:17 GMT
In article <1996Nov5.230504.10264@lafn.org>,
	ba137@lafn.org (Brian Hutchings) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, edstrom@Poopsie.hmsc.orst.edu (John Edstrom) says:
> 
> I *wish* that there was a FAQ; get the guy's book, though ...
Well, first I have to find out what book.  I'm trying to track down a
rumor here.  His 1997 "Theories of the earth and universe : a history
of dogma in the earth sciences" sounded a bit truclent for my tastes.
The only other book I've found was a 1976 book "The expanding Earth,
Developments in geotectonics."  I have a request on interlibrary loan
for that one.  Is there anything newer that isn't a polemic?
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Subject: Re: stone or fossil?
From: Bob Downie
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 19:50:48 +0000
In article <5602pf$2u3@neptune.worldonline.nl>, Barend Maaskant
 writes
>
>Hi everyone.
>I have a question.
>On the beach of Domburg (i Holland, near Flushing) I found a remarkable peace of 
>stone. If it is a stone.
>I enclose a picture (stones.jpg) UUencoded.
>Can anybody tell from this picture what it is?
>Is it an arrowhead or some fossil?
>Thanks for reacting.
>Barend Maaskant
>maaskant@worldonline.nl
>
>
>[ A UUEncoded file (STONES.JPG) was included here. ]
>
I can't claim to be an expert, but the photo may be of a dermal scut,
that is, a bony plate typical of the skin covering of many reptiles.
These are readily fossilisable.
Can any vertebrate palaeotologist confirm? 
-- 
Bob Downie
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Subject: Morphology of the south Iceland seismic zone
From: sents@servtech.com (John R. Sents)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 02:11:19 GMT
Howdy:
I'm doing research on the south Iceland seismic zone's apparent lack
of morphological expression.  If anyone has done work there, or knows
of literature that may be helpful, I would greatly appreciate any
input.  So far all I've found are a few papers out of JGR - none of
which deal specifically with the geomorphology of the SISZ.
Thanks in advance.
Jason Sents
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Subject: Personal Website, FREE
From: pho@cadvision.com (Peter Ho)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 22:45:29
Visit the following website and they will put up a free personal WEBSITE for 
you and even help you to make BIG money.
   http://www.gldb.com/?pho46760
TRY IT !!!
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Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution
From: paul.johnson@gecm.com (Paul Johnson)
Date: 11 Nov 1996 08:29:31 GMT
In article <32853A38.38E7@gte.net>, ashes@gte.net says...
>I read in a science book that there is a greater posibility of a
>printinng press exploding and forming webster's dictionary completly by
>accident; as opposed to the world being created from some dead matter.
Thats not a science book, thats a lying book.
If you are interested in what biology *really* says about our origins then I
suggest you have a look through the talk.origins FAQs.  Please don't trust
the versions you read in creationist literature: they are uniformally
straw men.
Paul.
-- 
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+44 1245 242244         +-----------+-----------------------------------------+
Work:        | You are lost in a twisty maze of little
Home:     | standards, all different.
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Subject: Re: fluorospar?
From: Frank_Hollis-1@sbphrd.com.see-sig (Triple Quadrophenic)
Date: 11 Nov 1996 10:31:06 GMT
In article <561un3$b4t@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca>, manderly@netcom.ca (Susan 
Pinder) says...
>
>Frank_Hollis-1@sbphrd.com.see-sig (Triple Quadrophenic) wrote:
>
>Ah..rule # 1
>
Oh no i didn't.
-- 
-- BEGIN NVGP SIGNATURE Version 0.000001
Frank J Hollis, Mass Spectroscopy, SmithKline Beecham, Welwyn, UK
Frank_Hollis-1@sbphrd.com         or        fjh4@tutor.open.ac.uk
 These opinions have not been passed by seven committes, eleven
sub-committees, six STP working parties and a continuous improvement
 team. So there's no way they could be the opinions of my employer.
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Subject: Re: LAWSUIT MAY CLOSE US MINE
From: kevin kelly
Date: 11 Nov 1996 14:38:19 GMT
Kirk Johnson wrote:
> 
> That's the American Dream at it's best: proposing and plowing ahead with a
> bunch of bullshit that can't ever be economically or (more importantly)
> environmentally sustained.
> 
> Kirk Johnson
> newkirk@olympus.net
I take exception to this. It's the Canadian way as well.
Kevin
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Subject: Re: Earthquake in SW England?
From: David Frost
Date: 11 Nov 1996 15:07:32 GMT
ac940@0.0.0.0 (harden) wrote:
>Does anyone know anything about an earthquake that was supposed to have
>taken place in the UK this morning?
>
>Sheila
Hi Sheila,
The only info I have is what I got from the news,
apparently it measured 3.8 on the Richter scale, and was located somewhere 
to the south-west of Penzance. It was felt as far away as Bristol and was 
the largest earthquake/tremor recorded in Britain for some time.
That's all I know, but maybe someone out there has a little more info.
Have you tried enquiring at the BGS, or try asking over in sci.geo.earthquakes.
Hope this is some help
David
*************************************
david.frost@wg.waii.com
My opinions only.
*************************************
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Subject: Re: 7 November, PLutonium Day is the only future holiday
From: Mike Herauf
Date: 11 Nov 1996 16:01:57 GMT

>> I, too, can write a poem?  O.Kaaay...
>> 
>>   My holidays will surely stay;
>>   A.P.'s poem was out of line.
>>   November 7, just another day;
>>   Sorry but I'm out of time ;^)
>
>Or this:
>
>There still is a man from Hanover,
>whose ramblings, alas, are not over--
>Although e, i, and pi
>come not from nuclei
>he continues to spout ideas which describe reality about as well as the
>end of this limerick conforms to the traditional meter of a limerick.
>
Let me take a crack at it; how 'bout a haiku?
One Atom Pu kitchen-sink garbage rehash
        plagiarized theory
      self-important lunatic
         ridiculous spam 
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Subject: A GIS is ready for everybody to test!
From: nac@zot.io.org (The International NAC Society)
Date: 11 Nov 1996 10:56:17 -0500
Dear Readers:
Last week, we posted the following ads which included a wrong web address.
The correct address is http://www.io.org/~nac/
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	Larger than 4 MB RAM
	Larger than 4 MB Hard disk space
the software will work properly on small map files (<1 MB).
Now the test version of the software is ready for everybody to test all
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Have fun to play on NACGIS Version 2.0.
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NAC Geographic Products Inc.
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Introduction
   NAC Geographic Products Inc. has developed a geographic information system 
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Major features:
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   9. Support of file types
      NACGIS Version 2.0 mainly support its own map document files with the
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Subject: Question about Hapsgood's theory of axis dislocation
From: Dan Axtell
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:52:28 -0500
Hello,
My father is reading a book that suggests ancient civilizations were
wiped out by a sudden shift of the Earth's axis.  Apparently, a guy
named Charles Hapsgood proposed in the 1950s that as the polar ice caps
build up unevenly, sufficient centrifugal forces build up that cause the
Earth's crust to periodically slip, causing sudden displacement of the
poles.
Can anyone refer me to a good debunking of this hypothesis?  I'm also
curious if there have been any computer simulations of the dynamics of
this.
Thanks, 
Dan
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Subject: Re: Geological Periodicals?
From: william.s.cordua@uwrf.edu (William Cordua)
Date: 11 Nov 1996 17:29:28 GMT
In article , manuel@fieldworker.com wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am looking for information on the best periodicals and
> supplementary articles related to Geology.
> Can you please tell me the names of such publications
> you usually read and find interesting?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> =========  FieldWorker Products Ltd  ============
> Manuel Silva  -  Marketing -  manuel@fieldworker.com
> Phone: +1 416 483-3485  -  http://www.fieldworker.com
> ============================================
A lot depends on the level of technical expertise you have and your
specific interest. From a general (layman) point of view, Earth Magazine
from Kalmbach Publishers (http://www.kalmbach.com/earth/earthmag.html) is
excellent. Otherwise I read Geotimes for general news and views from the
American Geological Institute (http://www.agiweb.org) and Geology and the
Bulletin of the Geological Society of America - both from G.S.A.
(http://www.geosociety.org). There also many  specialized publications in
any field around.
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Subject: Bandera Field potential volcanic area NM
From: shipflag@aol.com
Date: 11 Nov 1996 18:19:22 GMT
Appreciate source tips on this area.
Has anyone visited this area in the Continental Divide south and west of
Bluewater NM due west of Albuquerque?
Shipflag@aol.com
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Subject: Free Geology Journal Run
From: pf13@cornell.edu (arno)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 17:04:12 GMT
Free to first taker (but of course you'll pay postage):
Annales de la Societe Geologique de Belgique
vol.85-90, 91(1-2,4), 93, 94(1,3), 97-106 [1961/62-1983]
pf13@cornell.edu
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Subject: COEUR GOLDMINE MAY SHUT EARLY
From: denitegg@wave.co.nz (Denis Tegg)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 20:17:19 GMT
GOLDMINE MAY SHUT EARLY
Waikato Times 	8 November 1996
Mining company Coeur Gold NZ is considering an early shut-down of its
landslide-troubled Golden Cross mine near Waihi.
The mine, which provides jobs for about 300 people, was expected to
have enough gold and silver to mine up to about the year 2001.
But in the latest financial re-ports from Coeur Gold's parent company,
Coeur d'Alene Mines Corporation, there was a net loss of $60 million
for the first nine months of this year. Last year, the company made
$2.3 million net profit for the same period. The loss includes the $53
million de-valuing of the mine because of the major landslide under
it.
Coeur Gold NZ general manag-er Richard Weston said the landslide
problems will have cost $20 million by the end of this year.
Environment group Coroman-del Watchdog said it feared the company
would close the mine without cleaning up the environmental chaos
caused by mining.
______________________
TROUBLED MINE’S OUTPUT DROPS
New Zealand Herald 	9 November 1996
WELLINGTON - The troubled Golden Cross mine near Waihi suffered a
significant fall in gold output in the three months to the end of
September, while production costs rocketed.
Financial results from Coeur d’Alene Mines, which owns 80 per cent of
Golden Cross, show the mine produced 16,317 ounces of gold in the
quarter.
This was 29 per cent down on the amount produced in the quar-ter last
year.
Last month, media reports suggested the mine was losing about $50,000
a day as it tried to fix the large underground slip. Environmental
group   Coromandel Watchdog feared that the company  could  close  the
mine because of the losses. (Oh Really !!)
Last year, the mine produced 103,000 ounces of gold and had been
expected to produce 85,000 ounces this year.
Earlier this year, the Coeur Golden Cross general manager, Mr Richard
Weston, said the mine was expected to keep running for another four to
five years.
But Coeur's quarterly report appeared to cast doubt on its future. It
says: "Coeur expects it will be able to continue the mine's operations
through at least the end of 1997."
Waikato Times 	8 November 1996
Mining company Coeur Gold NZ is considering an early shut-down of its
landslide-troubled Golden Cross mine near Waihi.
The mine, which provides jobs for about 300 people, was expected to
have enough gold and silver to mine up to about the year 2001.
But in the latest financial re-ports from Coeur Gold's parent company,
Coeur d'Alene Mines Corporation, there was a net loss of $60 million
for the first nine months of this year. Last year, the company made
$2.3 million net profit for the same period. The loss includes the $53
million de-valuing of the mine because of the major landslide under
it.
Coeur Gold NZ general manag-er Richard Weston said the landslide
problems will have cost $20 million by the end of this year.
Environment group Coroman-del Watchdog said it feared the company
would close the mine without cleaning up the environmental chaos
caused by mining.
______________________
TROUBLED MINE’S OUTPUT DROPS
New Zealand Herald 	9 November 1996
WELLINGTON - The troubled Golden Cross mine near Waihi suffered a
significant fall in gold output in the three months to the end of
September, while production costs rocketed.
Financial results from Coeur d’Alene Mines, which owns 80 per cent of
Golden Cross, show the mine produced 16,317 ounces of gold in the
quarter.
This was 29 per cent down on the amount produced in the quar-ter last
year.
Last month, media reports sug-gested the mine was losing about $50,000
a day as it tried to fix the large underground slip. Environ-mental
group   Coromandel Watchdog feared that the company  could  close  the
mine because of the losses. (Oh Really !!)
Last year, the mine produced 103,000 ounces of gold and had been
expected to produce 85,000 ounces this year.
Earlier this year, the Coeur Golden Cross general manager, Mr Richard
Weston, said the mine was expected to keep running for another four to
five years.
But Coeur's quarterly report appeared to cast doubt on its future. It
says: "Coeur expects it will be able to continue the mine's operations
through at least the end of 1997."
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Subject: cryolite
From: jdonovan@seismo.berkeley.edu (John J. Donovan)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:11:14 -0700
I am looking for a source of synthetic cryolite for research work. Single
crystal if possible. The formula is: Na3AlF6
It used to be used in glass manufacturing so must have been synthesized at
one time I hope.
Please e-mail me if you can help.
john donovan
jdonovan@perry.berkeley.edu
-- 
John J. Donovan                          jdonovan@seismo.berkeley.edu
Room 301, McCone Hall                    jdonovan@garnet.berkeley.edu
Department of Geology                    (510) 642-5459
University of California
Berkeley, CA, 94720-4767
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Subject: Re: Earthquake in SW England?
From: gga37@cc.keele.ac.uk (Ian G. Stimpson)
Date: 11 Nov 1996 19:06:40 GMT
harden (ac940@0.0.0.0) wrote:
: Does anyone know anything about an earthquake that was supposed to have
: taken place in the UK this morning?
: 
: Sheila
from the British Geological Survey's Earthquake Alert Page
http://www.gsrg.nmh.ac.uk/alert_info.lis   ....
SEISMIC ALERT: PENZANCE, CORNWALL 10 NOVEMBER 1996 09:28 UTC 3.8 ML
-------------------------------------------------------------------
BGS have received many calls from local authorities, media and general
public reporting an earthquake early this morning. Reports have been
received of it being felt throughtout the SW Cornwall area. Felt reports
describe "a loud bang and rumble" and "the whole house shook for about 5 or
6 seconds".
The following preliminary information is available for this earthquake:
DATE        : 10 November 1996
ORIGIN TIME : 09:28 33.9s UTC
LATITUDE    : 50.00 North
LONGITUDE   :  5.57 West
GRID REF    : 143.97 kmE / 17.53 kmN
DEPTH       : 9.1 km
MAGNITUDE   : 3.8 ML
INTENSITY   : 4+
LOCALITY    : 12 km SW of Penzance, Cornwall
Previous events in the area include the Penzance earthquake of 15 July 1757
(magnitude 4.4 ML) with an epicentre 19 km NE of today's event, the 23 July
1966 Helston earthquake (magnitude 4.1 ML) 28 km ENE of today's event and
the Constantine earthquake on the 25 February 1981 (magnitude 3.5 ML) 30 km
ENE of today's event.
(reproduced without permission)
ian
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Applied Seismology & Rock Physics Laboratory         Tel:(+44) 01782 583182
Earth Sciences Dept., Keele University               Fax:(+44) 01782 715261
Keele, Staffs, ST5 5BG UK       http://www.keele.ac.uk/depts/gg/gghome.html
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Subject: Re: LAWSUIT MAY CLOSE US MINE
From: "sdef!"
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 20:27:32 +0000
Kirk Johnson wrote:
> >
> > That's the American Dream at it's best: proposing and plowing ahead with a
> > bunch of bullshit that can't ever be economically or (more importantly)
> > environmentally sustained.
> >
> > Kirk Johnson
> > newkirk@olympus.net
> 
> I take exception to this. It's the Canadian way as well.
> 
> Kevin
It pisses m eoff the way the USA thinks it is "America" America goes almost from 
the north pole almost to the south pole. 
For most americans the only way they have is poverty and hardship, caused by the 
monster in the upper middle bit.
Andy
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mail proofing against robots.
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6, Tilbury Place, Brighton BN2 2GY,  UK
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Subject: Re: Question about Hapsgood's theory of axis dislocation
From: heinrich@intersurf.com (Paul V. Heinrich)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:27:47 -0600
In article <328759CC.5DC7@nai.net>, dax@nai.net wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> My father is reading a book that suggests ancient civilizations were
> wiped out by a sudden shift of the Earth's axis.  Apparently, a guy
> named Charles Hapsgood proposed in the 1950s that as the polar ice caps
> build up unevenly, sufficient centrifugal forces build up that cause the
> Earth's crust to periodically slip, causing sudden displacement of the
> poles.
> 
> Can anyone refer me to a good debunking of this hypothesis?  I'm also
> curious if there have been any computer simulations of the dynamics of
> this.
I and others have discussed this matter extensively on both
alt.archaeology and sci.archaeology.  If you have a web 
browser, I suggest that you go to the Deja News USENET 
archive at:
http://www.dejanews.com/forms/dnq.html
By the using keywords such as either "Heinrich and "Hapgood" or
a combination of "Antarctica", "Hancock", "MOM", "FOG",
"Hapgood" and "Ohlmeyer" you should get a bunch of posts on this 
topic.  You also might want to try "Oronteus Finaeus Map" and
"Buache Map" separately.  Be sure to look at both the "current" and
"old" archives.  The "old" archives at this time will have the more
detailed posts.
I have authored a couple of web pages that indirectly address
this issue.  They are:
http://earth.ics.uci.edu:8080/faqs/mom/atlantis.html
and
http://earth.ics.uci.edu:8080/faqs/mom/oronteus.html
I hope that this helps.
Yours,
Paul V. Heinrich
heinrich@intersurf.com
Baton Rouge, LA
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Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution &
From: Judson McClendon
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:54:54 -0600
D.J. wrote:
> Just curious. Do you know where to find a legitimate shortened version
> of the Ten Commandments (Thy shall not steal..etc.) on the Internet?
> Ive searched everywhere from Moses to Mount Sanai but all I get are
> ridiculous versions modified for the benifit of some company or
> individual.  Any Ideas?  Also I agree.  I do believe we were somehow
> genetically manufactured or something like that.
> 
> derek@mail.balista.com
You might try looking in the Bible, say in Exodus chapter 20.
-- 
Judson McClendon
Sun Valley Systems    judsonm@ibm.net
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Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution
From: Judson McClendon
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:12:18 -0600
CharlieS wrote:
> Only if you think people should have a "fear of 'God'".
> I've seen this too often to take it seriously; every time I've
> told a believer that I don't need "salvation", they've turned
> on me with the old threat "Just wait till you're standing
> before 'God' and you'll soon change your sinful ways".
> The fact is, I'm not scared of your "God" so I'm not scared
> of "His" opinion of me.
> The fact that some believers feel too scared of their "God"
> to even be able to face "Him" just shows how pathetically
> weak their so-called "faith" is in the first place.
"And I say to you, My friends, do not be  afraid of those who kill the 
body, and after that  have no  more that they can do. But I will show
you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power
to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him!" (Luke 12:4,5, words of
Jesus)
No, you don't have to fear God.  You just have to face Him at Judgement.
No choice.  And your opinion won't impress God.  You can argue with a
human, but you won't argue with God.
However, there is a way out.  Not by ignoring God, but by receiving His
salvation in Jesus Christ.  If God enjoyed destroying us, He wouldn't
have to work up a sweat doing us in.  But He went to a lot of trouble to
provide a way of salvation.  But if we trample under feet the salvation
provided by God, there will be no mercy.  God loves you, but he will not
tolerate rebellion forever.
-- 
Judson McClendon
Sun Valley Systems    judsonm@ibm.net
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Subject: Re: Revolutionary Poster at the SEG-meeting in Denver!
From: "Kasper D. Fischer"
Date: 11 Nov 1996 20:05:01 GMT
frr schrieb im Beitrag <55vimq$2ev@chaos.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be>...
>  Come and see a great revolutionary poster session:(:-)
> 
>  GEOPHONE GROUND COUPLING: NEW ELASTIC APPROACH
> 
>    AUTHORS: #Frederik Rademakers*, Msc. Mining&Geophysics; (1996)
>
>    SEE YOU MONDAY?
>
This sounds very interesting, but I dont have time to come. Can You please
mail me an abstract?
Kasper Fischer
Geological Institute at the University of Bonn
Applied Geophysics
Nussallee 8
D-53115 Bonn
Germany
Email: fischer@beuel.rhein.de
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Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution
From: Jerry
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 19:05:18 -0500
CharlieS wrote:
> 
> Ash wrote:
> >
> > Volker Hetzer wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Why be so stupid and wait until it's too late. Don't you think every
> > > > > rapist and murderer is gonna repent if they were standing before God.
> > > Actually one can be a nonbeliever WITHOUT beeing a rapist or murderer,
> > > you know?
> > >
> > Sorry let me clarify. Don't you think every Nonbeliever is gonna repent
> > if they were standing before God.
> 
> Only if you think people should have a "fear of 'God'".
> I've seen this too often to take it seriously; every time I've
> told a believer that I don't need "salvation", they've turned
> on me with the old threat "Just wait till you're standing
> before 'God' and you'll soon change your sinful ways".
> The fact is, I'm not scared of your "God" so I'm not scared
> of "His" opinion of me.Comments from Jerry:
   My encounters with God left me quite fearful of God. We are little people dealing
with ultimate power over us in death. This is fearful. Yet the average man is not
judged by God. He is judged by Moses, the Prophets of Israel and Jesus. Thus his
fears are alleviated and the worst his judgement can be is swift painless spiritual
death.Thus the man who rejects God rejects his continuity of life. If the man does
not value his life, then he has nothing to fear from an Ethical God who honors the
rights of the individual not to be part of the process.
  The believer can then be fearful that he will be erased from the process. The
man who rejects God need not be fearful because he will not be forced into going
on. Except right after death a man still can choose the light of God or reject it.
Thus many atheists choose to live again rather then perishing into nothingness.Thus
the very fearful but very ethical God stands there with the choice of life over death
for all mankind.
> The fact that some believers feel too scared of their "God"
> to even be able to face "Him" just shows how pathetically
> weak their so-called "faith" is in the first place.
Comments from Jerry;
  I fought with God to leave me alone. I lost the battle. Most people just obey
and give in.
Jerry (Jewish Prophet of an Ethical God)
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Subject: Are Geologists' Heading for Extinction?
From: jjknight@facstaff.wisc.edu (JOHN J. KNIGHT)
Date: 12 Nov 1996 02:12:29 GMT
Over the last several years I've come across all sorts of articles & 
discussions involving the declining earth-science knowledge of the average 
American.  Periodically, I browse articles in professional & amature journals 
in which the effects of this lack of basic geological knowledge is 
increasingly absent in the public at large.  We know live in an age where 
arguments regarding evolution & "Creation Science" account for nearly a 
quarter of this newsgroups' posting;  where such actors as Charlton Heston can 
be seen on prime-time television programs portraying Homosapiens sharing the 
same peice of realestate with T-Rex and yet won't include a rebutal from a 
legitemate paleontologist (or freshman college student); where typically very 
good science programs like "Bill Nye the Science Guy" have a show about the 
Earth & rocks, but never once do you see a geologist nor do they even mention 
the word "geologist". I fear that "geologists" are heading for extinction 
themselves.
I would very much like to see the opinions posted to this newsgroup from earth 
scientists out there in cyberspace, & ideas of how this trend might be turned 
around.
John
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Subject: Re: salt, ice melting
From: Melanie Roberti
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:47:14 -0500
indiananow@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Searching for data on why salt melts ice and snow, also calcium chloride
> and potassium chloride.Properties of a solution (i.e. saltwater, antifreeze solution) differ 
from those of the pure solvent (water).  The solution properties which 
depend on the concentration of solute particles in solution are called 
colligative porperties.  Colligative properties include:
	*vapor pressure lowering
	*osmotic pressure
	*boiling point elevation
	*freezing point depression
Colligative properties are not dependent on what type of solute is 
dissolved in the solution, but only on its activity in solution.  One 
mole of solute particles in solution would have (approximately) the same 
affect on a solutions colligative properties regardless of what the 
solute actually is.  CaCl2 is more effective than NaCl.  However, since 
a mole of CaCl2 in solution forms 3 moles of ions(Ca2+ and 2Cl-) and 
NaCl only forms 2 moles (Na+ and Cl-).  Further, ionic salts generally 
have a greater effect than molecular dissolved species like sugar say, 
which only produces 1 moles for each mole in solution.
Your question, however, basically is asking why is the freezing point is 
depressed in a solution as compared to the freezing point of the pure 
solvent.  (I've taken the liberty of rephrasing your question.)  
Depression of freezing point is a direct result of the lowering of the 
solution's vapor pressure.  The freezing point of a solution is the 
temperature at which the solvent in solution has the same vapor pressure 
as the pure solid solvent.
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Subject: Geological History of Indus Valley
From: phranq@walrus.com
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 19:59:38 GMT
I am seeking any information on the configuration of the Indus Valley,
and the Khyber Pass and Pashwar region, as it was 10,000 years ago.
What was the region like? Was there glaciation? 
I really need to know everything I can about the area and I can't seem
to find any information over the Web.
Thanks for your help.
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Subject: ERS-1/2 data and Interferogram of subglacial volcanic eruption in Iceland and threatening glacial flood.
From: Christoph Boehm Doktorand FE
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 11:55:32 +0100
VOLCANIC ERUPTION ON ICELAND: ERS-SAR-IMAGES
November 8, 1996
New ERS-1/2 SAR images and interferogram of the recent subglacial
eruption of Loki ridge, a subglacial volcano on Iceland, are now
available on the DFD homepage:=20
http://www.dfd.dlr.de/HOT-TOPICS/volcano/
These images show the newest eruption on Vatnaj=F6kull, Europe's
largest glacier, which started on October 1. and the subglacial
reservoir which is now filled with some km3 of meltwater. This huge
amount of water will cause a catastrophic flood.=20
This page is available both, in English and German language, and
will be updated as soon as new SAR data are processed and analyzed.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
This is a service of the German Remote Sensing Data Center (DFD).
For further information, please contact:
boehm@dfd.dlr.de
mueschen@dfd.dlr.de
roth@dfd.dlr.de
------------------------------------------------------------------
Christoph Boehm
DFD (German Remote Sensing Data Center)
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Subject: Re: oops!!!Re: career question
From: kcb@phoenix.net (K. C. Bennett)
Date: 12 Nov 1996 05:10:45 GMT
In article <32820372.443D@unb.ca>, r4uj@unb.ca wrote:
> Sorry, I wrote that message, this computer is screwed! Please just post 
> any replies, as I can't seem to set this to post under my ID. Sorry.
And the original message was:
> Hello all, I'm a student taking geology at UNB, and thinking about the
> future (namely a career). I'm thinking about switching into
> environmental geochemistry, to give me more flexibilty, with a lot of
> experience with the chemistry as well as geology.
> I've read that people in this field need to be flexible, with a lot of
> subjects in their education, particularly biology. Is this true? Are
> there other areas that I should focus on (besides geology and
> chemistry)? And are there specific areas within those (like within
> biology, study microorganisms)? And would a few courses in soils be of
> much help?
> Any input on this would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance,
>     
Hmmm, my first suggestion would be to take some computer courses...
Seriously, I'd recommend taking some aquatic biology, ecology, computer
and basic civil engineering and hydraulics(at least enough to be thankful
you're not an engineer...)  And computer courses, particularly anything
related to 3D modeling of fluid flow, would be useful also.
Other things that you will find to be very useful, although they may very
well not appeal to you, are business and environmental law (you'll be
dealing with that a lot if you go into the environmental field) and
business classes.
K. C. Bennett
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Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution
From: cc16712@cdsnet.net
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 16:45:04 GMT
paul.johnson@gecm.com (Paul Johnson) wrote:
>In article <32853A38.38E7@gte.net>, ashes@gte.net says...
>>I read in a science book that there is a greater posibility of a
>>printinng press exploding and forming webster's dictionary completly by
>>accident; as opposed to the world being created from some dead matter.
>Thats not a science book, thats a lying book.
>If you are interested in what biology *really* says about our origins then I
>suggest you have a look through the talk.origins FAQs.  Please don't trust
>the versions you read in creationist literature: they are uniformally
>straw men.
Creationism is not science, Ashes.  Check things out, investigate for
yourself.  
>Paul.
>-- 
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>+44 1245 242244         +-----------+-----------------------------------------+
>Work:        | You are lost in a twisty maze of little
>Home:     | standards, all different.
Regards,
Stoney
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Subject: Re: Creation VS Evolution
From: David Hultgren
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:42:12 -0800
Ash wrote:
> 
> I read in a science book that there is a greater posibility of a
> printinng press exploding and forming webster's dictionary completly by
> accident; as opposed to the world being created from some dead matter.
If You are a troll, this is getting a bit stale please stop...
otherwise...
1. State Your sources (creationist pamplettes doesnt count)! 
2. Show us the amazing calculation You talk about.
My guess is that (if You are for real and not a troll), You vagely 
remember something from a creationist pamplette or something from some
religious creationist book...
DH.
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