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Subject: Garmin Web Site -- From: al@moyes.softnet.co.uk (Al Moyes)
Subject: Wild animal tracking using GPS -- From: pairoj@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Pairoj Sakulsupich)
Subject: Re: Speed measurement with gps -- From: crs@swcp.com (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: Speed measurement with gps -- From: crs@swcp.com (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: Eagle Accumap -- From: headrat@worldnet.att.net (Frank N. Haas)
Subject: Lower Prices on Magellan 2000 -- From: ae374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Don Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Delorme Tripmate GPS for SA 4.0 -- From: Al Miller
Subject: Re: GPS w/o SA -- From: James Giles
Subject: Re: Garmin 45 XL or Garmin GPS-2 -- From: "Steve J. Kanavos"
Subject: Re: Garmin 45 speed limit Compass -- From: jacob055@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Jacobson)
Subject: Re: Garmin 45 speed limit Compass -- From: bennett@erich.triumf.ca (P.Bennett)
Subject: Re: GPS II Display Quality -- From: "Steve J. Kanavos"
Subject: Re: Trimble 26dB gain active antenna -- From: davem@cs.ubc.ca (Dave Martindale)
Subject: Re: Garmin 45 battery power -- From: bennett@erich.triumf.ca (P.Bennett)
Subject: Re: Rockwell protocol -- From: Jeff Valine
Subject: Garmin 45 XL - Track back -- From: Patrick Chung
Subject: Re: GPS w/o SA -- From: Frank Burgum
Subject: Re: DeLorme SA4.0 upgrade questions -- From: Bob Winingham
Subject: Ascertaining WPT's from a recorded track? -- From: ae374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Don Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Help, Motorola OEM GPS boards -- From: walkerj@emerald.crystal.com.au (John Walker)
Subject: NMEA media access control -- From: DTC21
Subject: GPS+notebook+autopilot -- From: DTC21
Subject: Re: Ascertaining WPT's from a recorded track? -- From: Jean-Louis Longueville
Subject: Question from a Newbie -- From: niemotka@tetraprec.com
Subject: US NGS CORS Newsletter (10 Nov 96) -- From: dmulcar@ibm.net (Donald M. Mulcare)
Subject: Eagle View plot screen -- From: Garin Taylor
Subject: A GIS is ready for everybody to test! -- From: nac@zot.io.org (The International NAC Society)
Subject: Silva XL-1000/Navimap: external antenna 'hackable'?? -- From: w.j.markerink@a1.nl (Willem-Jan Markerink)
Subject: Re: Trimble 26dB gain active antenna -- From: teekay@netidea.com
Subject: Re: Unusual DGPS Accuracy Questions -- From: A. J. deLange
Subject: Re: Speed measurement with gps -- From: A. J. deLange
Subject: Re: Garmin GPS-II...Mine just arrived! -- From: Daniel Butler
Subject: Re: GPS w/o SA -- From: Mark Crispin
Subject: Re: GPS w/o SA -- From: Mark Crispin
Subject: Re: Trimble 26dB gain active antenna -- From: Frank Dinger
Subject: Re: NMEA media access control -- From: rortt@mgs.dnr.md.gov (Richard A. Ortt, Jr.)
Subject: Re: Garmin 45 battery power -- From: tgroo@orednet.org (Tyler Groo)
Subject: Re: NMEA media access control -- From: James Giles
Subject: Re: NMEA media access control -- From: James Giles
Subject: The next high accuracy GPS system -- From: g3vzv

Articles

Subject: Garmin Web Site
From: al@moyes.softnet.co.uk (Al Moyes)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 02:45:27 GMT
The latest date is now 12 November!!!
I reckon Christmas would be more accurate. (96 or 97)
Al Moyes                       al@moyes.softNET.co.uk
    "NEVER lost, just uncertain of my position"
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Subject: Wild animal tracking using GPS
From: pairoj@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (Pairoj Sakulsupich)
Date: 9 Nov 1996 04:15:30 GMT

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Subject: Re: Speed measurement with gps
From: crs@swcp.com (Charlie Sorsby)
Date: 10 Nov 1996 19:40:04 GMT
In article <327E16D8.5D71@grci.com>, Jay Purvis   wrote:
= Herb & Lee Kanner wrote:
= > 
= > I am puzzled by the following:  When my car is on cruise control, running
= > in the 65mph ballpark, the Garmin 45XL shows a variation in speed of 0.8
= > mph.  That is, the speed readings wander around in about that range.  My
= > cruise control is the "tight" variety and the speedo and odo appear as if
= > pinned.
[...]
= 
= 0.8 mph is probably part SA and part receiver processing noise.  If the
= receiver shows zero when stationary, Garmin may have a minimum speed
= cutoff function for their display. That is, if the speed is less than
= the error expected from SA, the speed display is set to zero.
Just curious:  While I don't question for a moment that some of the
relative speed variation is due to the gps, I find it hard to
believe that none is due to actual speed variation of the vehicle,
that cruise control can maintain speed to significantly less than
1.23% error which is what a 0.8mph variation out of 65mph works out
to be.  Maybe under ideal conditions--perfectly level terrain, etc.
but even that is hard for me to believe.
Comments, anyone?
-- 
Best,
Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby      Los Alamos, NM     "I'm the NRA!"
       crs@swcp.com www.swcp.com/~crs		     Life Member since 1965
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Subject: Re: Speed measurement with gps
From: crs@swcp.com (Charlie Sorsby)
Date: 10 Nov 1996 19:40:04 GMT
In article <327E16D8.5D71@grci.com>, Jay Purvis   wrote:
= Herb & Lee Kanner wrote:
= > 
= > I am puzzled by the following:  When my car is on cruise control, running
= > in the 65mph ballpark, the Garmin 45XL shows a variation in speed of 0.8
= > mph.  That is, the speed readings wander around in about that range.  My
= > cruise control is the "tight" variety and the speedo and odo appear as if
= > pinned.
[...]
= 
= 0.8 mph is probably part SA and part receiver processing noise.  If the
= receiver shows zero when stationary, Garmin may have a minimum speed
= cutoff function for their display. That is, if the speed is less than
= the error expected from SA, the speed display is set to zero.
Just curious:  While I don't question for a moment that some of the
relative speed variation is due to the gps, I find it hard to
believe that none is due to actual speed variation of the vehicle,
that cruise control can maintain speed to significantly less than
1.23% error which is what a 0.8mph variation out of 65mph works out
to be.  Maybe under ideal conditions--perfectly level terrain, etc.
but even that is hard for me to believe.
Comments, anyone?
-- 
Best,
Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby      Los Alamos, NM     "I'm the NRA!"
       crs@swcp.com www.swcp.com/~crs		     Life Member since 1965
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Subject: Re: Eagle Accumap
From: headrat@worldnet.att.net (Frank N. Haas)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 22:23:28 GMT
Saboty Talon  wrote:
>Anyone have any experience with the Eagle Accumap Sport
>that uses the IMS Smartmap cartridges.  Any info that can
>be provided at all from a real user would be greatly 
>appreciated.  Specific questions I am looking to have answered
>include:
>
>1. How is its over all performance (speed and ease of operation,
>display, accuracy and reliability, etc).
>
>2.  Battery life.
>
>3.  Capabilities when used in conjunction with PC mapping 
>software.
>
>4.  Anything else of interest and experiences with this product.
>
>  I will be purchasing a GPS in the very near future and had been
>leaning towards the Garmin 40 or 45XL, but the IMS Smartmaps seems
>to be a feature well worth paying for if the unit performs to
>expectations. 
>
>Saboty Talon
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Subject: Lower Prices on Magellan 2000
From: ae374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Don Bartlett)
Date: 10 Nov 1996 19:54:30 GMT
I was in the Canadian LeBaron, the company that first alerted
me to the new not-yet-received Eagle/Magellan units, the 12
channel, UTM units in the fall catalog, and no, thy are not in
yet and to sell for US$199.
But they were selling off Magellan 2000's at C$229.99.
Whether this was a store price or a Magellan clear-out,
I don't know.
So, as Wal-Mart says, watch out for falling prices.
--
Don M. Bartlett: bartlett@freenet.carleton.ca or dbartlett@synapse.net
   see:  http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ae374/gpsutm  for "article"
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Subject: Re: Delorme Tripmate GPS for SA 4.0
From: Al Miller
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 19:27:33 -0800
I'm currently reviewing one of the Delorme Tripmates for Microtimes. The
review will  be on their web page after it's published.  At first
glance, the Tripmate seems to be the perfect solution for someone who
wants a GPS for use where they'll only use it with their computer AND
with the Delorme software.  (Delorme says that it is not compatible with
other software - I haven't had a chance to see if I can communicate with
it with Procomm or something.  They claim NMEA-0183 protocall, so I'm
sure it could be hacked, if you really need to. The Delorme mapping
software is pretty good, so you might not need to.)
It has no readout or even an on/off switch.  The only markings on it are
Delorme and there are no obvious references on the internals (chips or
antenna) to anyone that I recognize. It probably uses someone's OEM
chipset. All control and output come through your computer via serial
port.
With those reservations, it appears to be a very inexpensive system $149
for hardware and software. It rapidly aquires from cold start - as well
as my Magellan 4000. They claim 12-15 hr battery life (4 AA). The case
appears to be well gasketted. The software gives limited, but probably
adequate satellite info - number of visible satellites, ephemeris data,
and number of satellites being used.
From their manual: 
Type of Receiver: 12 channel GPS L1 C/A code
cold start time to first fix: ~3 minutes at 25 C
Warm start to first fix: 1 min at 25 C
Weight (with batts): 9.5 oz
Battery life: 15 hrs
Interface:  RS-232 with NMEA-0183 protocall     
It's hard to beat 150 bucks for hardware and software. If you don't need
the receiver for hiking or other places that you won't have a computer,
it's probably the one for you.
Casey McCullough wrote:
> 
> Was looking at the Delorme site and SA 4.0 when I noticed they are
> selling a GPS which sits on your dashboard and plugs into the serial
> port of your computer for use with Street Atlas (SA) 4.0 and their other
> products which can utilize GPS.
> 
> Does anyone know who makes this GPS for them and if it has an
> active/passive antenna?  At $149.00 it looks like a pretty good deal.
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Subject: Re: GPS w/o SA
From: James Giles
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 20:26:48 -0800
Gene Fornario wrote:
> [...]
> From what I read in "GPS Made Easy"...two signals are sent from each
> satellite, PPS and SPS with SA.  So if I understand this correctly, a
> PPS capable receiver can decrypt and use PPS.  Does this mean the unit
> ignores the SPS + SA signal?
> 
Among other things, the PPS signal can be compared to the SPS signal
to correct for atmospheric effects.  The two signals use different
frequencies and are effected differently.  By comparing the two a
better solution can be obtained.
J. Giles
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Subject: Re: Garmin 45 XL or Garmin GPS-2
From: "Steve J. Kanavos"
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 21:07:37 +0200
Albert Nurick wrote:
> 
> In article <327A5076.566C@capital.ucsd.edu>,
> Geoff_Graham@capital.ucsd.edu says...
> > I spoke with someone at Garmin when I was trying to decide between the
> > GPSMAP 175 and the 45XL.  He steered me towards the 45XL for a few
> > notable reasons.  << Reasons snipped >>
> >
> > Again, this is only what I was told by a sales rep at Garmin.
> 
> I wonder if the plentiful supply of GPS45XLs (about to be made obsolete
> by the GPS2) and the tight supply of GPSMAP175 might also enter into
> things?
> 
> I may be jaded, but I don't rely on sales reps for information.
> 
> --
> | Albert Nurick                     | "In case of doubt, decide in |
> | albert@data.net                   |  favor of what is correct."  |
> | http://www.data.net               |                              |
> | http://www.data.net/albert        |                 - Karl Kraus |
I had a chance to play with a GPSMAP175 IT'S HUGE not something you
would want to carry around with you most of the time but it's a
beautiful piece of equipment.  I ended up buying the GPS II to replace
my 45XL which I had bought a week ago.  ( I lucked out a friend offered
to buy it at the same time as I found the GPS II ) I was very please
with the 45XL but the GPS II was love at first sight and use! It does
however differ a bit from the 45XL.  I did a brief description of the
differences between them in a previous post of mine.
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Subject: Re: Garmin 45 speed limit Compass
From: jacob055@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Jacobson)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 23:59:56 -0600
In article <328660E5.3539@heart.net>, Dick Gamage  wrote:
>Recently had my 45 on an air liner and able to lock in on 4 satellites.
The compass appeard to be working. 
>Nothing else worked. Had heard nothing worked above 100 MPH. Is that possible?
My brand new Garmin 45XL manual states that speed limit is 99.9 MPH. I
hope to test it soon. 
Are there upgrades available to increase the speed? I enjoyed a DC10
flight with GPS track/speed/altitude/color map on screen, would like it if
the Garmin 45xl could work at that speed.
Steve Jacobson
Linotype-Hell
My views are not theirs, so blame accordingly...
http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m081/jacob055/ 
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Subject: Re: Garmin 45 speed limit Compass
From: bennett@erich.triumf.ca (P.Bennett)
Date: 10 Nov 1996 23:09 PST
In article , jacob055@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Jacobson) writes...
>My brand new Garmin 45XL manual states that speed limit is 99.9 MPH. I
>hope to test it soon. 
> 
>Are there upgrades available to increase the speed? I enjoyed a DC10
>flight with GPS track/speed/altitude/color map on screen, would like it if
>the Garmin 45xl could work at that speed.
All of Garmin's non-aviation handheld and marine receivers have this speed
limit.  It is a marketing plan to force aviators to buy the more expensive
aviation models that include an air navigation database.
Peter Bennett VE7CEI                | Vessels shall be deemed to be in sight
Internet: bennett@triumf.ca         | of one another only when one can be
Packet: ve7cei@ve7kit.#vanc.bc.ca   | observed visually from the other
TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., Canada     |                          ColRegs 3(k)
GPS and NMEA info and programs: ftp://sundae.triumf.ca/pub/peter/index.html
or: ftp://ftp-i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/arnd/GPS/peter/index.html
or: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter/index.html
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Subject: Re: GPS II Display Quality
From: "Steve J. Kanavos"
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:13:18 +0200
RedDragon(RDragon) wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
>         I just recieved my literature on the GPS II & the GPS45XL and I was
> pondering some thoughts. I noticed that the GPS II Has a Green
> backround, blue foreground, and the 45XL has a white backround, black
> foreground and is very clear. Does the GPS II 's green tint make it hard
> to read ? In other words, is the GPS II as easy to read as the 45XL?? It
> seems like on the picture for the 45XL is very crystal clear, and on the
> GP II you can't make it out very good. Does Garmin have the green
> backround on the other older models as well??
> 
>                                                         -- Mike
The display on the GPS-II is like the GPS38 Display althought in my
opinion the 45XL's black on white is slightly better the GPS-II's is
fine.  I just sold my 45XL and bought the GPS-II.
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Subject: Re: Trimble 26dB gain active antenna
From: davem@cs.ubc.ca (Dave Martindale)
Date: 11 Nov 1996 00:07:22 -0800
cougercat@prostar.com (Cougercat) writes:
>A suitable ground plane is also needed for optimun performance.
The Trimble literature says that the antenna is designed to work well
either with or without a ground plane.
	Dave
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Subject: Re: Garmin 45 battery power
From: bennett@erich.triumf.ca (P.Bennett)
Date: 10 Nov 1996 22:56 PST
In article <5646ee$7oc@harpo.cs.ubc.ca>, davem@cs.ubc.ca (Dave Martindale) writes...
>bennett@erich.triumf.ca (P.Bennett) writes:
>>When last I looked (a couple of weeks ago) Garmin's new web site
>>(http://www.garmin.com/) was "under construction" with a proposed completion
>>date of Nov 7 (today!)  (I haven't looked today to see if it is up yet...)
> 
>It's now in the early hours of the 11th, and the web page says "try after
>the 12th".  So the deadline is a moving target.  Typical vapourware...
but at least Garmin is updating the proposed date - Eagle has a page that says
it will be ready in August '96...  (http://www.eaglegps.com)
Peter Bennett VE7CEI                | Vessels shall be deemed to be in sight
Internet: bennett@triumf.ca         | of one another only when one can be
Packet: ve7cei@ve7kit.#vanc.bc.ca   | observed visually from the other
TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., Canada     |                          ColRegs 3(k)
GPS and NMEA info and programs: ftp://sundae.triumf.ca/pub/peter/index.html
or: ftp://ftp-i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/arnd/GPS/peter/index.html
or: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter/index.html
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Subject: Re: Rockwell protocol
From: Jeff Valine
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 20:06:23 -0800
Robert S. White wrote:
> 
>   Sorry I beg to disagree with your semantics.  I consider individual message
> definitions (Message ID and data words) not to be part of the protocol,
> just users of the protocol.  The original ICD-GPS-204 tried to define all of
> the messages, but never could, due to software testing needs.  Later versions
> like ICD-GPS-150 just define a very small generic set of messages.  The PLGR
> and GNP-10 ICDs define a lot of product unique messages.
> 
>   I'll have to check if ICD-GPS-153 tries to define all of the standard
> PLGR  messages.
> 
Ok, I see your point, and I think you're right, the protocol doesn't
need to define the data in the messages.  However, it does include the
INTER-RCVR interaction, right?  I mean the definition of all of the flag
word bits, and the definition of how messages are used, ie: INTER sends
CONNECT, RCVR sends ACK, RCVR sends ACCEPT, INTER sends ACK, RCVR sends
messages.
-- 
Jeff
jvaline@isle.net
http://www.isle.net/~jvaline
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Subject: Garmin 45 XL - Track back
From: Patrick Chung
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 23:17:57 -0600
I would like to ask anybody how to use the track back feature in Garmin?
I tried this before, but it did not give me that succesful results.
When using trackback , one clears the track log before one starts the trip,
when one reaches the destination, track back is pressed, which will trace
back the route going backward. I notice the arrow points backward too. Is 
that right?- when going back?
When one uses the track back feature, it seems that all my waypoints in my
route is gone. Is that what is suppose to happen? I only assigns T001, T002
etc. Am I right? Isn't trackback similiar to "Invert"? Except track back uses
random assigned points, but invert uses marked waypoints?
Does one ever invert a track back?
If one uses a route of the waypoints in your Garmin, when one initilizes it
and press the page until one gets the hwy. steering guidance page, would
that page automatically show the arrow pointing to the nearest waypoint
? Or does one have to press, "GOTO"?
And in regards to the alarm as to when one is approching a waypoint on a
route. After one reaches that waypoint, does it go to the next nearest
waypoint or does it go to the next waypoint that you have listed on
the route? 
   I notice that on a cloudy day, it seems I could get a better reception
receiving more satellites with my Garmin 45 XL. Is this true or just a 
coincidence?
Thanks.
  Pat Chung 
  CCCC   CCCC  C  C  C  C  CC  C  CCCC   # My last name "CHUNG" means #  TTYL
  C  C   C     CCCC  C  C  C C C  C CCC  #  clock in Cantonese as in  # 
  CCCC   C     C  C  C  C  C  CC  C  C   #      "Gey Deem Chung?"     #  JOY
  C   *  CCCC  C  C  CCCC  C   C  CCCC   # Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada #  KING
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Subject: Re: GPS w/o SA
From: Frank Burgum
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:30:26 GMT
James Giles wrote:
> 
> Gene Fornario wrote:
> > [...]
> > From what I read in "GPS Made Easy"...two signals are sent from each
> > satellite, PPS and SPS with SA.  So if I understand this correctly, a
> > PPS capable receiver can decrypt and use PPS.  Does this mean the unit
> > ignores the SPS + SA signal?
> >
> 
> Among other things, the PPS signal can be compared to the SPS signal
> to correct for atmospheric effects.  The two signals use different
> frequencies and are effected differently.  By comparing the two a
> better solution can be obtained.
> 
> J. Giles
Actually, there are two different carrier frequencies (L1 and L2).
L1 carries both C/A code (SPS, with SA) _and_ P code (PPS, without SA,
sometimes encrypted).  L2 carries only P code.
A "civilian" receiver, without the P code decryption key, can still use
the phase of the L1 and L2 carrier to calculate ionospheric dispersion
and so correct for ionospheric aberrations.  To do this, they have to
use  one of several standard techniques to remove the P code from the L2
carrier.  The difficulty is that, without the synchronisation given by
the P code itself, there can be ambiguity about exactly which cycle of
L2 carrier is being seen (the pseudorange is determined to a fraction of
a cycle, but the whole number of cycles is not known).
Carrier phase is not used in standard hand-held GPS receivers, but more
expensive ones used for surveying (e.g. Ashtech) do use it.
-- 
+--------------------------------------------+-------------------------+
| Frank Burgum, Navigation & Sensors Section | tel: +44 1703 316440    |
| Philips Semiconductors Systems Laboratory  | fax: +44 1703 316304    |
| Southampton, U.K                           | SERI: burgum@ukpsshp1   |
| Email: Frank.Burgum@soton.sc.philips.com   |                         |
+--------------------------------------------+-------------------------+
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Subject: Re: DeLorme SA4.0 upgrade questions
From: Bob Winingham
Date: 11 Nov 1996 08:14:27 GMT
>Can anyone tell me it will import acsii data from a packet radio tnc?
It might if the SA4 parsing program will over look
the first part of the data and scan for $PGxxx
The following two lines came out of a TNC, You can see
the two NMEA RNC and GGA lines are the same as the Garmin NMEA  output.
WIDE lines to follow:
KC5EJK-12*>RELAY>RELAY>APRS:$GPGGA,202522,3250.760,N,09646.185,W,1,03,2.9,153.0,M,-24.8,M,,*7D
KC5EJK-12*>RELAY>WIDE>APRS:$GPRMC,202521,A,3250.760,N,09646.185,W,002.5,101.1,101196,,*05
Bob
kc5ejk@onramp.net
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Subject: Ascertaining WPT's from a recorded track?
From: ae374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Don Bartlett)
Date: 11 Nov 1996 13:33:05 GMT
Only being familiar with my own Garmin 75, I am wondering
if any of the newer units are able to "read" the coordinates
of points on a recorded track.
I would like to record a track while following a bush road in 
the vehicle and later, record the coordinates of the turns in
the road so that it could be manually plotted to a topo map.
In reading of persons using the "blob" method of getting the 
best accuracy at a stationary position, after permitting the 
track to record for some time, it was suggested that the "+"
on the plot screen could be scrolled to the apparent center of
the blob and the coordinates then noted. (The Garmin 75 does
not permit this and I must wait until the blob centers itself
over my center screen "+" before taking a fix.)
Do the Garmin 38, 45's and II allow this? What about the Eagles?
--
Don M. Bartlett: bartlett@freenet.carleton.ca or dbartlett@synapse.net
   see:  http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ae374/gpsutm  for "article"
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Subject: Re: Help, Motorola OEM GPS boards
From: walkerj@emerald.crystal.com.au (John Walker)
Date: 11 Nov 1996 14:15:10 GMT
In article <55ssc1$8iq@wolfe.wimsey.com>, mfraser@giant.mindlink.bc.ca says...
>
>A box made by HIGHWAYMASTER came into my hands, inside it has a cellphone
>and some logic boards, and a Moto GPS board.  This has an 8-pin header 
>that presumably handles power and I/O [It also has an SMA or similar 
>connector, but let's assume that goes to the antenna!]
>
>Anyone help me with pinout?  The board has a 68331 processor on it
>[more than a little bit of processing power, no?] and the part number
>on the pcb appears to be 84D43796MO1, is about 2x3.5 inches, and
>the header is     10 PINS, not 8 as I said above....
>
>any help greatly appreciated
>
>/mark
You have one of the newer Oncore boards, probably the VP (very latest are 
GT/UT).  They are a particularly powerful 8 channel (early ones were 6, but 
not made anymore) receiver working on Motorola binary (9600,8,N,1), NMEA 
(4800,8,N,1), and LORAN emulation (1200,8,N,1) mode.  All models feature 
differential capability (Moto binary & RTCM SC-104 type 1 messages).  
Get the Motorola GPS Control Program, Version 9.0 or later (5.3 only handled 6 
channels).
49 Datums, 51 Moto bin commands, 8 NMEA, 4 LORAN
Oncore Users Guide, pn 68P41117U01 May 94 or later covers the VP, with all 
tech details.
The antenna jack is an OSX (M/A COM), PCX (Phoenix) or MCX (Huber&Suhner;) 
connector.  5V @ MAX 50mA available to active antenna.
The 10 pin header requires TTL and 5V.  You may have a Li backup battery, 
otherwise you need 2.5V - 5.25VDC for backup as well.
Pin out is 1  2
           3  4
           -  -
           9  10  where pin 1 has the square pad
Pin 	1	Battery backup (No Lithium battery on board)
	2	+5V pwr (225mA [1.1W] + antenna)
	3	GND
	4	N/A (Vpp)
	5	N/A
	6	ONE PPS (TTL) Option A
	7	ONE PPS RTN
	8	TTL-TXD
	9	TTL-RXD
	10	TTL-RTN
A MAX232 and a 5V regulator will get you going.  Max ripple is 50mV.
More help?  Try your local Moto Systems and After Markets person.
I make an interface in an aluminium case that emulates the Oncore XT, provides 
 12V (8 - 16V) input, RS-232 I/O and a BNC jack.
JDW S32, E116
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Subject: NMEA media access control
From: DTC21
Date: 11 Nov 1996 13:18:44 GMT
Hi,
I would like to ask if NMEA uses any media access protocol?
For instance, if there are 2 NMEA talkers sharing the same Tx line, will one wait the other
and avoid collisions like in Ethernet LAN's (CSMA/CD protocol) ?
Thanks in advance,
Mauricio
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Subject: GPS+notebook+autopilot
From: DTC21
Date: 11 Nov 1996 13:25:55 GMT
Hi,
I would like to link my Garmin45 to my notebook which runs a nav program. It uses
NMEA output from Garmin to figure out where I am. 	
I also would like to have my nav program to control my autopilot (AUTOHELM 7000).
The question is:
I only have 1 serial port. Garmin sends strings to the PC. The PC should send strings to the
autopilot. Is there a cable to link the autopilot to a PC ? Is it possible using the same port? 
Thanks in advance,
Mauricio
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Subject: Re: Ascertaining WPT's from a recorded track?
From: Jean-Louis Longueville
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:19:30 -0800
Don Bartlett wrote:
> 
> Only being familiar with my own Garmin 75, I am wondering
> if any of the newer units are able to "read" the coordinates
> of points on a recorded track.
> 
> I would like to record a track while following a bush road in
> the vehicle and later, record the coordinates of the turns in
> the road so that it could be manually plotted to a topo map.
> 
> In reading of persons using the "blob" method of getting the
> best accuracy at a stationary position, after permitting the
> track to record for some time, it was suggested that the "+"
> on the plot screen could be scrolled to the apparent center of
> the blob and the coordinates then noted. (The Garmin 75 does
> not permit this and I must wait until the blob centers itself
> over my center screen "+" before taking a fix.)
> 
> Do the Garmin 38, 45's and II allow this? What about the Eagles?
If I remember correctly, you can do this on the 45 by entering the "Pan"
mode. There, you can scroll the "blob" under the "+" (which always stays
at the center). Finally, you can enter a waypoint at the "+" by pressing
the "Mark" key.
Isn't there a similar function on the 75 ?
Jean-Louis
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Subject: Question from a Newbie
From: niemotka@tetraprec.com
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:44:03 GMT
Hello all,
I have just recently started learning about GPS, and the internet is a
great source.  One question that I have is on the relative accuracy of
the GPS concept.  From what I have read, you can get positional
accuracy down in the cenimeter type range.  Since the satelites are
miles (thousands of miles?) above the Earth, it would seem that wour
are getting accuarcy of 1 in 1000000.  What I was wondering is, if you
have "local" satelites, meaning on the earth, in a lab, could you
resolve position down to .001" or finer, or is there some limit on how
the entire system works?
I appreciate any help you can provide.  
Thanks Again,
Mike Niemotka
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Subject: US NGS CORS Newsletter (10 Nov 96)
From: dmulcar@ibm.net (Donald M. Mulcare)
Date: 11 Nov 1996 16:02:45 GMT
                    =======================================
                           CORS Electronic Newsletter
                    =======================================
Authors:    Bill Strange,  Neil Weston 
            National Geodetic Survey, NOS, NOAA
            Silver Spring, MD 20910
E-mail:     bstrange@ngs.noaa.gov
	    nweston@ngs.noaa.gov
Info:       jimd@ngs.noaa.gov
            don@ngs.noaa.gov
Phone:      (301) 713-3222  ext. 135
Lab:        (301) 713-3169  ext. 146
Fax:	    (301) 713-4175
Subject:    Current CORS Data Holdings.
Date:       Sun Nov 10 22:45:02 EST 1996
Week:       45
GPS Week:   0878
Range:      Day 308 to Day 314
To Access:  ftp cors.ngs.noaa.gov 
            login:    anonymous
            password: your complete e-mail address
Message:
	The Continuously Operating Reference Station (CORS) GPS network 
managed by the  National Geodetic Survey (NGS), NOAA, is  operating in 
an experimental  mode and will  continue to do so until the  network is
declared fully operational in 1996.  Full CORS integrity monitoring
has not been implemented by NGS at this time.  NGS will do its best to 
ensure the reliability of this service in the interim but, because of 
this status, users of the CORS data should  be aware that NGS cannot 
ensure:
1.  That all current sites will be operational at all times or will be
    kept as part of the final network configuration;
2.  That all GPS data, positional information, utility  software, or
    ancillary information  which has been posted is 100 percent correct
    and without error; and
3.  That any additional  proposed sites that are added in the future 
    will remain  operational or will be kept as part of the network.
=========================================================================
October 29
The Department of Transportation (DOT) has been designated by the
President to represent the Nation's civilian interests in the use
of the Global Positioning System (GPS).  DOT has begun studies to
determine the interest in and feasibility of extending the U.S.
Coast Guard (USCG) and U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Differential
Global Positioning System (DGPS).  James Arnold, of the Federal
Highway Administration (FHWA), is coordinating the studies and
will present the results to the DOT Position/Navigation
Committee.  
Designed to support maritime safety and navigation on the
Nation's coasts and navigable waterways, the coastal portion of
DGPS is almost complete and the river portion is being expanded. 
Like many technological developments, the project benefits more
than its original audience.  Surveyors, the land transportation
industry, geo-scientists, and meteorologists, among others, are
taking advantage of the broadcast DGPS signals over inland areas,
or they are using GPS data captured by NOAA's National Geodetic
Survey from the DGPS receivers for the Continuously Operating
Reference Station (CORS) network to perform high accuracy
positioning.
In its initial phase, the DGPS network has received praise for
meeting deadlines, economy of installation, and benefit to the
Nation's maritime safety.  However, because of its maritime
design, the DGPS network does not reach large areas of the
coterminous 48 states and Alaska.  Federal agencies including
FHWA, USCG, NOAA, and the Federal Railway Administration have
received inquiries about possible expansion of the DGPS network. 
In response to these requests, DOT tasked FWHA with making the
necessary studies.  An initial estimate is that about 20
additional sites could complete  coverage of the 48 states.
Mr. Arnold would significantly benefit from knowing the interests
of state, county, and municipal agencies, academia, and private
industry in the potential DGPS expansion and improvement of
safety in highway, railway, and other land based industries.  
Mr. Arnold can be contacted at:
                Department of Transportation
                Federal Highway Administration
                703-285-2974 (voice)
                703-285-2264 (fax)
                jaarnold@intergate.dot.gov
=========================================================================
October 18
Station Richmond (rcm5) was permanently shut down on October
10, 1996 (day 284) and will no longer be included in the 
weekly newsletter.
                  MON.                                 DAY NUMBER
   SITE_NAME      NAME     RECEIVER      308   309   310   311   312   313   314
================  ====  ==============   ===   ===   ===   ===   ===   ===   ===
Amarillo  TX      aml5  Trimble SSE      % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3     0
Annette_Isl  AK   ais1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *72   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Aransas_Pass  TX  arp3  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Arlington  TX     arl5  Trimble SSE      % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3     0
Austin  TX        aus5  Trimble SSE      % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3     0
Beaumont  TX      bea5  Trimble SSE      D 2   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3     0
Blythe  CA        blyt  Ashtech Z_XII3   D 1     0     0     0     0     0     0
Brunswick  ME     bru1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
CpCanaveral  FL   ccv1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
CpHenlopen  DE    chl1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
CpHenry     VA    chr1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
CpHinchinbrook AK chi2  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
CpMendocino    CA cme1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *69   *75   *75   *75
Charleston  SC    cha1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *72   *75   *75   *75   *75
Chatham  MA       cht1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Cheboygan  MI     chb1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Cold_Bay  AK      bay1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
CorpusChristi  TX corc  Trimble SSE      % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3     0
Detroit  MI       det1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Egmont_Key  FL    eky1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
El_Paso  TX       paso  Trimble SSE      % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3     0     0
English_Turn  LA  eng1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Fairbanks  AK     fair  Rogue 8000       % 3   % 3   % 2   % 3   % 2   % 3   % 3
FT_Macon  NC      fmc2  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
FT_Stevens  OR    fts1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Gaithersburg  MD  gait  Trimble SSE      #72   #72   #72   #72   #72   #72   #72
Galveston  TX     gal1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Goldstone  CA     gold  Rogue SNR_8      % 3   % 3   % 2   % 3     0   % 3   % 3
Gustavus  AK      gus1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Haskell  OK       hklo  Trimble SSE      & 4   & 4   & 3   & 3   & 3   % 2     0
Haviland  KS      hvlk  Trimble SSI      & 4   & 4   & 3   & 3   & 3   % 2     0
Hillsboro  KS     hbrk  Trimble SSE      & 4   & 4   & 3   & 3   & 3   % 2     0
Houston  TX       hous  Trimble SSE      % 3   D 2   % 3   % 3   D 2   % 3     0
KansasCity  KS    kan1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Kenai  AK         ken1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Kodiak  AK        kod1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Kokole_PT  HI     kok1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Lake_Houston  TX  lkhu  Trimble SSE      % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3
Lamont  OK        lmno  Trimble SSE      & 4   & 4   & 3   & 3   & 3   % 2     0
Lubbock  TX       lubb  Trimble SSE      % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3     0     0
McDonald  TX      mdo1  Rogue 8000       % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3
Miami  FL         mia1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *72   *75   *75   *75   *75
Milwaukee  WI     mil1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Memphis  TN       mem2  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Mobile_PT  AL     mob1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Montauk_PT  NY    mnp1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Montpelier  VT    vcap  Trimble SSE      #72   #72   #72   #72   #72   #72   #70
Neebish_Isl  MI   neb3  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Neodesha  KS      ndsk  Trimble SSI      & 4   & 4   & 3   & 3   & 3   % 2     0
North_Liberty  IA nlib  Rogue 8000       % 3   % 3   % 2   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3
Odessa  TX        ods5  Trimble SSE      % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3     0     0
Pietown  NM       pie1  Rogue 8000       % 3   % 3   % 2   % 3   N 1   % 3   % 3
Pigeon_PT  CA     ppt1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *63     0   *75   *75   *75   *75
Platteville  CO   pltc  Trimble SSE      & 4   & 4   & 3   & 3   M 1     0     0
PT_Blunt  CA      pbl1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
PT_Loma  CA       plo3  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Portsmouth  NH    por2  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Purcell  OK       prco  Trimble SSE      & 4   & 4   & 3   & 3   & 3   % 2     0
Quincy  CA        quin  Rogue 8000       % 3   % 3   % 2   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3
Robinson_PT  WA   rpt1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
ST_Croix  VI      cro1  Rogue 8000       % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3
ST_Louis  MO      stl3  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
ST_Paul  WI       stp1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *72   *72   *75
Saginaw_Bay  MI   sag1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Sallisaw  OK      sal1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
San_Antonio  TX   anto  Trimble SSE      % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3     0
Sandy_Hook  NJ    shk1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *72   *75   *75
Sturgeon_Bay  WI  stb1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Table_Mt  CO      tmgo  Rogue 8000       & 4   & 4   & 4   & 4   & 4     0     0
Upolo_PT  HI      upo1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *72   *63   *12   *75   *75   *75
Upper_Kewenaw  MI kew1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Vicksburg  MS     vic1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Vici  OK          vcio  Trimble SSE      & 4   & 4   & 3   & 3   & 3   % 2     0
Westford  MA      wes2  Rogue 8000       % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3   % 3     0
Whidbey_Isl  WA   whd1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Whitefish_PT  MI  whp1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *18     0
White_Sands  NM   wsmn  Trimble SSE      & 4   & 4   & 3   & 3   & 3   % 2     0
Wisconsin_PT  WI  wis1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
Youngstown  NY    you1  Ashtech Z_XII3   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75   *75
The letters/symbols refer to the types of files available for that particular
day. 
H  Observation (hourly)
#  Observation (hourly), Navigation
$  Observation (hourly), Navigation, Meteorological
N  Navigation
S  Navigation, Meteorological
M  Meteorological
D  Observation (daily)
%  Observation (daily), Navigation
&  Observation (daily), Navigation, Meteorological
+  Observation (daily), Meteorological
B  Observation (daily, hourly)
*  Observation (daily, hourly), Navigation
A  Observation (daily, hourly), Navigation, Meteorological
Y  Observation (daily, hourly), Meteorological
|====================================================|
|== Donald M. Mulcare                   email:dmulcar@ibm.net ==|
|== NGS Advisor to Maryland            410.545.8963 (voice)  ==|
|====visit the ngs home page at http://www.ngs.noaa.gov =====|
|====================================================|
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Subject: Eagle View plot screen
From: Garin Taylor
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:02:36 -0800
I've just purchased a Eagle View and I'm very happy with it, but on the
cover of the user manual it shows a plotter screen with boxes with DTG,
SOG and COG on the left and the current postion across the bottom of the
screen, can anyone tell me how to set up the Eagle View to show that
screen ?
-- 
--------------------------------------------
garin@tempest.com.au
What do you mean... You DON'T dive ??
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Subject: A GIS is ready for everybody to test!
From: nac@zot.io.org (The International NAC Society)
Date: 11 Nov 1996 10:56:17 -0500
Dear Readers:
Last week, we posted the following ads which included a wrong web address.
The correct address is http://www.io.org/~nac/
Many people ask what the system requirements of the software are.  Since 
we use dynamic linking libraries all through the code, the software 
requires little RAM and hard disk space. If the computer has: 
	Windows 95 or Windows NT
	Larger than 4 MB RAM
	Larger than 4 MB Hard disk space
the software will work properly on small map files (<1 MB).
Now the test version of the software is ready for everybody to test all
functions of the software.  If you want it, I can email you the software
(2.4 MB)free of charge. If you want to get 3.5" floppy disk, please 
include US$5 shipping and handling fee.ÿï Once you have tested the 
software, please send us your comments and suggestions and report all the 
problems. You cam also post them on the net.
By the way, the software can import text files of lists of longitude/latitude
or UTM or other coordinates and character strings with coordinates and angles.
If you have these kinds of maps and would like to sell them, please drop an
email to our account and we will include them on our web.  If you have map
converters which can extract map entities from other GIS file formats and 
create node lists and character string lists, we will be happy to 
list them on our web too.
Have fun to play on NACGIS Version 2.0.
Xinhang Shen
NAC Geographic Products Inc.
===============================================================================
|                                                                             |
|       Great News!                                                           |
|                                                                             |
|       You can buy a US$999 GIS with only US$39 before Nov. 20, 1996!        |
|                                                                             |
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|  Contents                                                                   |
|                                                                             |
|  Introduction                                                               |
|  Major features                                                             |
|  Discount information                                                       |
|  Order information                                                          |
===============================================================================
Introduction
   NAC Geographic Products Inc. has developed a geographic information system 
   called NACGIS Version 2.0 for Windows 95 and Windows NT, which has 
   implemented the great invention: the Natural Area Coding System.  Based on 
   the Natural Area Coding System, NACGIS has introduced a ten-character 
   Universal Geographic Identity for every geographic object in the world.  No 
   matter what size it is.  Every geographic object in the world from a 
   continent to a parking meter can be statistically uniquely identified by its
   Universal Geographic Identity (UGID).
Major features:
   1. Automatic assignment of UGID's to all geographic objects.
   2. Automatic links between a graphic object in the map file and its 
      associated document in the document database.  You can use both text 
      searching and mouse clicking on the graphic object to retrieve the 
      document for reading and editing.
   3  Supports transparency which allows you draw transparent graphic objects 
      with all pictures underneath shown in a mixed color.
   4. Graphics editor's features:
      a) Drawing tools:
         NACGIS Version 2.0 procides two sets of drawing tools: 
          i)  Mouse direct drafting on the screen with your specified default
              line color, line type, line thickness, brush color, brush 
              pattern, font type, font size, font color, layer number, etc. 
         ii)  Graphic object set-up dialog boxes to create accurate pictures.  
              The dialog boxs allow you input exact coordinates for polyline 
              nodes and polygon vertices and layer number, text escapement 
              angle, layer number, specify whether it is a polyline or smooth 
              curve and a polygon or an area, whether it is transparent, and 
              set up pen, brush and font parameters.  You can insert or delete 
              nodes or vertices at any location of a polyline or a polygon.  
              A polyline, polygon, simple picture or a group picture can be 
              converted to each other by simply clicking a botton on the dialog
              boxes.   
         NACGIS Version 2.0 can draw polylines, curves, polygons, areas, simple
         pictures (ractangle, circle, ellipse, regular polygons, stars, etc.), 
         text objects, bitmap objects and group pictures (from an art gallery 
         database).
      b) Manipulation tools:
         NACGIS Version 2.0 provides the following graphic objects manipulation
         tools:
         i)  Mouse and arrow keys direct draging and resizing
        ii)  Manipulation dialog box which allows you move an graphic object or
             a group of graphic objects a specified distance or to a specified
             location, exactly stretch it in x- and/or y-directions, rotate it 
             a specified angle arround a specified pivot, and mirror it in x- 
             and/or y-directions with a specified symetric center.
       iii)  Alignment dialog box which allows you align a group of graphic
             objects to the left, center, right, top, middle, bottom.
        iv)  Group objects tool which allows you to create group pictures (only
             one set of a group picture's data will be stored in the memory 
             but can be shown in as many places as you want, which will greatly
             simplify your drawing and save memory). Once the group picture is
             created, you can also add it to the art gallery database of the
             software for later use. 
         v)  Delete, Erase All, Undo, Cut, Copy and Paste tools
        vi)  Grid generator which can automatically generate the appropriate 
             level of the NAC grids.
   5. Map viewing tools
      NACGIS Version 2.0 provides the following map viewing tools:
         i)  Theme layers dialog box allows you select the visible layers for 
             the current map.  It can store 120 different theme layers.
        ii)  Zoom In and Zoom Out tools allows you zoom in as many time as you 
             want and zoom back to the origanal picture.
       iii)  Split panes of a winow, multiple windows of a document and 
             multiple windows of multiple documents.  NACGIS Version 2.0 allows
             you to view different parts of a map in different panes or 
             windows, view different scales in different panes, and
             compare different maps in different windows.
        iv)  Display of the cursor's coordinates in Longitude/Latitude, UTM and
             NAC simultaneously on the status bar of the frame window.
         v)  Coordinate systems
             NACGIS Version 2.0 supports three types of coordinate systems: 
             Longitude/Latitude system, UTM system and user-defined system.  
             You can import a map file in one coordinate system and export it 
             in another system (Longitude/Latitude <=> UTM).
        vi)  Window setting
             You can set the scroll window size, window background color, the 
             coordinates of the top left corner of the window and suitable 
             scale to create the best view for the map. 
   6. Document editor's features
      NACGIS Version 2.0 also provides a powerful document editor which allows 
      you to read and edit the attached document of a graphic object.  The 
      attached document is named by the UGID of a geographic object, which can 
      cantain text contents with all kinds of fonts, font styles, sizes and 
      colors, bitmaps, and all other objects created by OLE servers such as 
      Excel Charts and Worksheets.
   7. Help file
      NACGIS Version 2.0 provides a powerful help system which has the 
      following features:
         i)  Context help
             Whenever you need help for a dialog or a menu command, you can get
             the help topic immediately by pressing F1.  You can also press the
             button with an arrow and a question mark on the toolbar and the 
             move the cursor to the item about which you need help and
             click the left button of the mouse to get the help topic.
        ii)  Tooltips
             NACGIS Version 2.0 provides tooltips for all menu commands and 
             buttons.  When you move the cursor to a toolbar button, you will 
             see a yellow box with simple help text beside the cursor and a 
             bit more detail help text on the status bar of the frame window.  
       iii)  Topics, index and word search
             NACGIS Version 2.0 allows you to search help content by topics, 
             index and simply a word.
   8. Print, print preview and printer set-up
      NACGIS Version 2.0 provides you all the useful features for print, print 
      preview and printer set-up.  It allows you print black/while or color 
      map, and a large map into small pieces which can be connected together 
      to get a large map.  You can also print any part of a map if you set the 
      window size, the coordinates of the top left corner of the window and the
      appropriate scale of the map. 
   9. Support of file types
      NACGIS Version 2.0 mainly support its own map document files with the
      extension ".nac". However, it can import and export three types of text
      files: lists of polyline nodes coordinates, lists of polygon vertices
      coordinates and lists of text objects (text contents, insert point
      coordinates and escapement angle).  In the future vertions, we will add
      dxf files.  NAC Geographic Products Inc. also provides you various map
      documents at good prices.
Discount information
   NAC Geographic Products Inc. would like to offer you a special discounted
   price for the license of using NACGIS Version 2.0.  The standard price for
   the license for a single person using NACGIS Version 2.0 in one computer is
   US$999.  If you are using the software at home for non-business purposes,
   you can get 50% discount.  Once you have bought one license of the software,
   you will get a 80% discount for the license for a future version of the same
   sfotware. There is a special discount price now. If you buy the license 
   before November 20, 1996, you need to pay only US$39 + US$5 shipping fee 
   ( + 7% GST if in you are in Canada).  After then, the price will rise 
   everyday (about US$5.3 a day) until it reaches US$999.
Ordering information
   You can order the license by sending us the international money order
   (or a check if you are in Canada) or tell us the information of the VISA
   credit card (Credit card number, holder's name, expiration date and issuing
   bank name). The price is determined by the date you send out your order. 
   If you use credit card, you can also order it through Email, fax or phone.
   Please include the exact name, company, address, phone, fax, email for each
   licesee because the name and address will be embedded into the software.
   Our address is
                  NAC Geographic Products Inc.
                  509-50 Stephanie Street
                  Toronto, ON M5T 1B3
                  Canada
                  NAC: 8CHK  Q87P
                  Phone and fax: (416) 979 9306
                  Email:         nac@io.org
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If you are doing land planning, NACGIS will be your great assistant!
If you are working on transportation, NACGIS will be your first assistant!
If you are managing natural resources, NACGIS will provide you the convenience!
If you are working on environment protection, NACGIS will be your power tool!
If you are doing marketing, NACGIS will give you extra hands, eyes and ears!
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If you like fishing, NACGIS will help you record the best fishing spots!
If you are a bird watcher, NACGIS will tell you where birds live and 
move!
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Subject: Silva XL-1000/Navimap: external antenna 'hackable'??
From: w.j.markerink@a1.nl (Willem-Jan Markerink)
Date: 11 Nov 1996 16:29:36 GMT
Sorry for the repeat, but I did not get any useful answers yet....
Hasn't anyone hacked this unit then? Can't believe it!
Dear experts in homebrew contraptions,
I came across a Silva XL-1000 GPS unit, combined with the Yeoman Navimap 
plotter (thanks to Janssen Buitensport for letting me test it for a week).
After struggling through the not so clear manual (I hope it is just the poor 
translation (Dutch), but since Silva is Swedish(?), I might have to learn a 
new language to get to the source), I somehow really like the system.
Actually, the Navimap system does better than expected, I thought you always 
had to calibrate a chart with two given waypoints, but one waypoint (current 
location, located on the map), a North/South alignment and map scale also do 
the trick.
Yet my single largest problem with the GPS unit is that I can't find any 
connector (nor mentioning in the manual) for an auxillary/external antenna. 
My main use will be within a vehicle, and putting the unit against the window 
doesn't do the trick.
Knowing from the past that several of you are happy homebrew engineers, with 
no respect for any existing system limit, I wanted to find out whether any of 
you has hacked the XL-1000 and attached an external antenna to it.
A general opinion on such a hack will also be largely appreciated.
If I can find the internal antenna wiring, does that mean I almost have the 
solution? Or are electrical problems & incompatibilities very likely?
I know the antenna needs a separate energy supply, but the signal is pretty 
much standardized, right?
Any chance of succeeding in upgrading the XL-1000 to a genuine vehicle GPS?
Many thanks in advance to all homebrew experts out here!
--
Bye,
       _/      _/       _/_/_/_/_/       _/_/_/_/_/
     _/  _/  _/               _/       _/  _/  _/
     _/  _/ illem    _/     _/ an    _/  _/  _/ arkerink
                     _/_/_/
      The desire to understand
is sometimes far less intelligent than
     the inability to understand

[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
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Subject: Re: Trimble 26dB gain active antenna
From: teekay@netidea.com
Date: 11 Nov 1996 17:29:26 GMT
cougercat@prostar.com (Cougercat) wrote:
>A suitable ground plane is also needed for optimun performance.
Sorry, but this is not correct. The specs for this antenna say that a
ground plane is needed. There *may* some very minor increase in
performance with a ground plane, such as the roof of a car, but in my
experience it is not measurable using the signal strength bars on the
GPS unit. 
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Subject: Re: Unusual DGPS Accuracy Questions
From: A. J. deLange
Date: 8 Nov 1996 13:12:29 GMT
In article <55l6v4$973@emerald.crystal.com.au> John Walker,
walkerj@emerald.crystal.com.au writes:
>Your average poition can be found with standard stats method a la Excel, 
>Lotus123 Works etc and try some Standard deviation of mean, but observe the 
>laws of good stats to do it.  One sigma will give 68% confidence, 2 sigma at 
>95% and 3 sigma to 99%.  That means, for example you get 1m SDEV from 10 or so 
>obs, then you would say your accuracy was sub metre at 68% confidence (32% ob 
>obs would be worse than 1m), but you could expect 95% (9 readings) within 2m.
All true if you are considering easterly error or northerly error
separately
but I think the real question is "What is the probability that I am within
1 meter of the true position". In this case the error is the square root
of the sum of the squares and is Rayleigh distributed. Confidence
intervals
for the cumulative Rayleigh distribution must be used. This is not
difficult
to do unless the two error components are correlated and/or have different
standard deviations in which case you have a messier (the error
distribution
isn't Rayleigh any more) but tractable problem i.e. that of CEP (circular 
error probable) which gives the diameter of the circle in which x percent
of
the locations are to be found.
AJ
ajdel@mindspring.com
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Subject: Re: Speed measurement with gps
From: A. J. deLange
Date: 8 Nov 1996 13:18:54 GMT
In article  Herb & Lee
Kanner, kanner@ix.netcom.com writes:
>I assumed that the variation in speed indication was due to "selective
>availability." But, if that were the cause, the effect should also show up
>at 0 mph.  When I am motionless, the unit shows zero and stays at zero.
Keep watching. You will find speeds of up to several (I just
saw 9 while tracking 5 satelites) km/hr 
displayed while the unit is stationary. As in all C/A applications,
the major error source is SA but the others (receiver noise,
multipath, local clock instability, ephemeris error, GDOP
....) contribute as well. Of these multipath is probably the
largest contributor.
AJ
ajdel@mindspring.com
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Subject: Re: Garmin GPS-II...Mine just arrived!
From: Daniel Butler
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 08:10:36 -0500
Steve J. Kanavos  wrote:
> My Garmin GPS-II just arrived today.  What a nice unit. 
It seems that Garmin is shipping units across the pond 
before selling any in the states?  Has anyone in the US
been able to get a GPS-II yet?  If so, where did you get
it?  I've checked the stores online and the local marine
dealers and the story is either "real soon now" or late 
December.
Thanks,
Daniel Butler
dbutler@yup.com
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Subject: Re: GPS w/o SA
From: Mark Crispin
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:49:28 -0800
On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, Gene Fornario wrote:
> From what I read in "GPS Made Easy"...two signals are sent from each
> satellite, PPS and SPS with SA.  So if I understand this correctly, a
> PPS capable receiver can decrypt and use PPS.  Does this mean the unit
> ignores the SPS + SA signal?
A PPS-capable receiver, *when loaded with cryptokeys and algorithms*, is
not affected by SA; it knows how to cancel SA.  This loading is done at a
classified US government facility, with tamper-proof modules, etc.
You can buy a PPS-capable receiver, but unless you can convince the US
government that you deserve to have your receiver loaded, you just have a
very expensive SPS receiver.
-- Mark --	Read http://www.imap.org for the "best kept secret in email"
DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045  ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39"
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
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Subject: Re: GPS w/o SA
From: Mark Crispin
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:54:13 -0800
On Sun, 10 Nov 1996, James Giles wrote:
> Among other things, the PPS signal can be compared to the SPS signal
> to correct for atmospheric effects.  The two signals use different
> frequencies and are effected differently.  By comparing the two a
> better solution can be obtained.
This is only half right.  PPS and SPS refer to levels of service
("precise", for authorized users only; and "standard", for everyone else).
SPS users have access only to the C/A code signal, and can not cancel SA
(selective availability).  C/A code is only carried on the L1 frequency,
so you can't do direct ionospheric measurements; you have to use a model.
PPS users can cancel SA, and can also cancel AS (anti-spoofing) so they
have access to the P code signal.  P code is carried on both the L1 and L2
frequencies.
Clever people have worked out techniques for doing ionospheric
measurements on L1 vs L2 even without being able to track P code.  The
result is not as accurate as tracking P code, but better than the model.
-- Mark --	Read http://www.imap.org for the "best kept secret in email"
DoD #0105, R90/6 pilot, FAX: (206) 685-4045  ICBM: N 47 39'35" W 122 18'39"
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
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Subject: Re: Trimble 26dB gain active antenna
From: Frank Dinger
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 19:41:03 GMT
>cougercat@prostar.com (Cougercat) writes: 
> Hello Alberto;
> If it is the one that I just picked up from Pac Com in Florida for $65.00 
> us, it has a SMB connector on it.  I personnally have not tried it yet 
> however a friend of mine tried it on his G75 and the signals increased by 
> several s units.
> A suitable ground plane is also needed for optimun performance.
> QST a few months ago ran an article for a passive GPS antenna.
> -Jeff
============
Yes indeed,the article on a homebrew pad antenna to be fitted on top 
of a car can be found in QST October 1995 ,page 44-45.It is written 
by Harold Ward ,W1GE .
For many GPS receivers an amplifier has to be added. I believe one of 
the low cost MAR type SHF ICs would do the job nicely. They operate 
well on 5V which is (usually) supplied by the GPS receiver ,via the 
external antenna cable.
Frank Dinger , Inver by Tain , Ross-shire IV20 1RX - Scotland UK
e-mail :  frank.dinger@zetnet.co.uk   or   gm0csz.kn6wh@ukrs.org
Packet :  GM0CSZ @ GB7NOS.#76.GBR.EU
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Subject: Re: NMEA media access control
From: rortt@mgs.dnr.md.gov (Richard A. Ortt, Jr.)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 21:15:51 GMT
NMEA specifically is designed so that there can only be one "talker" on the
line.  There are devices out there that multiplex many talkers and put out there
signals on one NMEA line.  This line can then be fed into all of your devices.
DTC21  wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I would like to ask if NMEA uses any media access protocol?
>For instance, if there are 2 NMEA talkers sharing the same Tx line, will one wait the other
>and avoid collisions like in Ethernet LAN's (CSMA/CD protocol) ?
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Mauricio
>
>
>
>
>
>
Richard A. Ortt, Jr.     | rortt@mgs.dnr.md.gov
2300 St. Paul Street     | rortt@clark.net
Baltimore, MD 21218      | 
http://mgs.dnr.md.gov
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Subject: Re: Garmin 45 battery power
From: tgroo@orednet.org (Tyler Groo)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 13:21:00 -0800
Frank Dinger  wrote:
     [snip]
> I assume your experience is based upon using standard penlight AA 
> alkaline batteries. Try Nickel-metal-hydrate (NiMH)batteries;they 
> have a capacity of 1100mAh and can be re-charged at any stage of 
> their discharge cycle without 'memory' problems unlike NiCad 
> batteries.  I use NiMH batteries and am satisfied ,although I haven't 
> done a full cycle test.
I think satisfaction with rechargables (NiMH or NiCad) will vary a lot
depending on the voltage requirements of your equipment.  With the
rechargables carrying 1.25v at full charge compared to 1.5v for a fresh
alkaline cell, your receiver may show "low bat" before the rechargable
batteries get very discharged.
I don't know Garmins low voltage cutout but 4AA (NiMH/NiCad) x 1.25v = 5v
for a fresh set of batteries and 4AA (alkaline) x 1.5v = 6v for a fresh
set.  Some equipment will think your rechargable batteries are low almost
as soon as you put them in...
Tyler Groo, EMT-B    |  Rager Emergency Services (RES)
"Don't blame them    |  171500 Beaver Creek Rd., Paulina, OR 97751
 for what I think."  |  (541) 477-3162/477-3713
BLS ambulance serving parts of Crook/Grant/Wheeler/Harney Counties
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Subject: Re: NMEA media access control
From: James Giles
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:37:47 -0800
As a followup: my Garmin GPS40 claims to be able to both send
and receive NMEA sequences, so it presumably does this buffer and
forward trick.  But the documentation doesn't state what message
formats it accepts, whether it forwards them anyway, etc....
Anyone know?
J. Giles
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Subject: Re: NMEA media access control
From: James Giles
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:34:54 -0800
DTC21 wrote:
> I would like to ask if NMEA uses any media access protocol?
> For instance, if there are 2 NMEA talkers sharing the same Tx line, will one wait the other
> and avoid collisions like in Ethernet LAN's (CSMA/CD protocol) ?
I thought that NMEA devices were meant to be daisy chained.  That 
is, the output of each device is fed to the input of the next device
along.  Each device would buffer the incoming messages and forward
them as time permitted.  Presumably each device would discard
sentences that were redundant - for example a GPS would not bother
to forward $xxGGA messages from other devices since it produces 
that information itself.
I could be wrong about this, since I've never actually done it.
But the NMEA descriptions I've read (such as
ftp://sundae.triumf.ca/pub/peter/nmeafaq.txt) state this is the
proper way.  A quote below is typical:
        On any NMEA-0183 circuit, there can _only_ be one talker.  If
        you must have more than one talker, and one of the talker
        devices can also act as a listener, you may be able to connect
        things "in series", so a talker-only output is connected to a
        listener/talker input, and the listener/talker output is
        connected to other listeners.  However, some listener/talker
        devices may reformat the data, or only pass data they
        understand. (The Autohelm Seatalk system does this, and claims
        the data as it's own, starting all output sentences with "$II".)
Hope this helps.
J. Giles
Ricercar Software
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Subject: The next high accuracy GPS system
From: g3vzv
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 22:20:14 +0000
I have heard a rumour that there is a tender out for the deisgn/build of 
a new set of GPS birds that will transmit around 1309MHz for a high 
accuracy (NON s/a) system.
My interest is that here in the UK this frequency is part of our 23cms 
amateur band (and is used for ATV repeaters...)
It also happens to be shared with high power air traffic control 
radars.....
If anyone has info about this I would be plsd to receive it.
Thanks (73)
Graham G3VZV
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