Subject: Re: Drafting Software Survey
From: duhvinci@rockford.com (Patrick Hughes)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:46:27 GMT
Jane Watson wrote:
>Here, here Katarina!
>Gary, it's rather sad you feel the way you do, maybe you'll get
>a life yourself one day. In the meantime, will you take that
>attitude with your female boss when she has to reprimand you?
>(If you don't have a female boss yet, chances are you'll
>probably have one in the future). Get rid of your appalling
>attitude before she gets rid of you!
>______________________________________________________________
>Jane Watson |
>Mechanical Engineer | Views expressed here
>Radar Systems Division | are entirely my own...
>GEC-Marconi Avionics |
>______________________________________________________________
I'm not sure where to jump in on this but my comment is this:
Let's just all call ourselves "cartoonists"
- who could object to that?
--
Patrick Hughes
Engineered Design Solutions
e-mail duhvinci@rockford.com
homepage http://www.rockford.com/duhvinci
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* Machine animation
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Subject: Re: Drafting Software Survey
From: Tom_Austin
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:38:55 -0800
>
> I personally never gave a flip. Yet I don't like "draftswoman", but I do
> take it as a sign of politeness when a guy goes out of his way to
> say "drafter". "Draftsperson" doesn't cut it either. Makes me think of
> an old Far Side cartoon ;)
Maybe it's a generational/geographical thing. I'm 35, and in all my
time in the workplaces, and all the places I've worked, Drafter and
Designer are the standard terms, even by the Old Guard guys, who are
traditionally sexist in every other way.
I'm in California. Maybe that's it.
Tom Austin
Subject: Re: Drafting Software Survey
From: Toni Garrison
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:04:40 -0500
Gary Lynn Kerr wrote:
>
> On 12 Nov 1996, it was written:
>
> >
> > >Gary Lynn Kerr said...To whom ever wrote that the term
> > draftsMEN was not correct. GET A LIFE!
> > >And a female boss has a problem with it she has too much time
> > on her hands....GET A LIFE! ....snip, snip, snip!
> > Katrina was out-of-line when she wrote her comment about the
> survey. I also feel that any boss that that takes offense to the original
> terms has too much time on their hands.
I agree!! I am a feMALE studying at Purdue University for Mechanical
Drafting and Computer Animation... I think that we all need to get real
and stop worrying about whether someone calls use draftsMEN or
whatever!!! MAN has been used to refer to both men and woMEN for
centuries, and it is definitely "too much time on our hands" that has
caused us to worry about such minor things. I am a woMAN and proud of
it. I am not weak because I am feMALE, but I don't have to have the
English language changed in order to prove that!!!!
Get on with something that is important in life and get over this
feminist attitude. People like you ruin being a woMAN for people who are
proud to be one!
Toni
Subject: Re: Latent Heat Storage for Automotive Use
From: csnyder@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Clarence Snyder)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:51:35 GMT
Rikard GEBART wrote:
>T. Trautwein wrote:
>>
>> I'm wondering if anybody knows of a company which manufactures latent heat
>> storage devices for automotive use. It would be used to heat up the engine's
>> coolant when you start a cold engine. Wear, fuel consumption and emissions would
>> be reduced and the car would heat up faster in winter. I believe Volvo has it in
>> some models which are sold in the Scandinavian countries. If you don't know of a
>> company, maybe you can provide some information, since I might build one myself.
>> The main questions are what liquid would be suitable to be used in a heat
>> exchanger and how would you initiate the crystallisation?
>>
>> Thanks for any useful information,
>>
>> Frank
>
>I do not think Volvo has such a system, at least not for commercial use. The common
>method of heating cars in Scandinavia is a resistive heater that is mounted
>in the water volume of the engine block. Normally one of the "frost plugs" is removed
>and the resistive heater is installed in the hole.
>
>Tha main manufacturer of automotive heating appliances is Kalix AB, Sweden.
>
>I remember reading in a Swedish newspaper many years ago of a system for houses where a salt
>was used to absorb heat from the indoor air during the (warm) day. This was accomplished
>by melting of the salt (phase change). During the night when the temperature decreased
>the salt solidified and released its heat again to the indoor air, thereby saving some
>energy for heating. I have not heard anything recently about this system so I assume
>that it is not competitive to ordinary heat exchangers and similar systems which are
>widely used in Sweden. It is possible that the same system could be used for engine
>heating. The newspaper article probably mentioned what salt they used but I have no clue.
>Its melting point has to be somewhere close to room temperature (20 degree C). Maybe a
>chemist can tell you which salt would be suitable.
>
>Finally, if you just want to have something for your own car you should definitely buy
>existing equipment and not build something yourself. If you buy it in Europe the cost
>of a complete solution with engine and passenger compartment heating and a timer would
>probably be less than the cost of the parts only for something you build yourself (not
>mentioning that the reliability and safety would be much higher).
>If, on the other hand, you want to invent something new you may have a pretty interesting
>idea....
>
>Cheers,
>Rikard Gebart
If you routinely have to leave a vehicle where electricity is not
available, a standard block heater is of absolutely no use. Propane
units are available(and expensive). We put an RV water heater in the
bunk of my brother's Kenworth, along with a water pump to circulate
the coolant. Kept the bunk warm on stop-overs (without running the
deisel) and also heated the engine for cold starts quickly.
The Latent heat idea would work well if econamically done.
*************Clarence L. Snyder************
Class "A" Interprovincial Licenced Mechanic
Computer Solution Provider
Waterloo, Ontario
Subject: Re: looking for a reference
From: n1685110@sparc10.cc.ncku.edu.tw (Vincent,Tan)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 02:09:52 GMT
On Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:40:04 +0100, ingo
wrote:
>i'm looking for a reference:
>
>Marks C.H. & Cargo D.G. (1974)
>Field Test of a Bubble Screen Sea Nettle Barrier.
>J. Mar. Tech., pp. 33-39
it is "Journal of Marine Technology",
ISSN code:1000-3878,
published in Shang-hai,China.
hope it will help.
>thanks in advance.
Subject: Re: Advice on entrance effects?
From: charliew@hal-pc.org (charliew)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 01:27:53 GMT
In article <328B8861.1F0E@cc.hut.fi>, Lauri Eklin
wrote:
>Hello everybody!
>
>I'm not at all familiar with the aspects of fluid flow, I
hope this is
>the correct forum to seek the advice of knowledgeable
people.
>
>I'm trying to find appropriate equations for convective
heat transfer in
>the water cooling pipes of a continuous casting machine.
>
>I have glanced through Perry's chemical engineering
handbook and some
>other related text books and found a bunch of appropriate
looking
>equations of the form of Nu = f(Re, Pr). The problem is,
the equations
>are basically for a situation where L/D (length/diameter) >
60. In my
>case, this ratio is c. 15-20. I have also found an equation
for the
>so-called entrance effects, which is valid for L/D > 10.
>
>Could it be correct to assume that at some point the flow
of my interest
>is already fully developed and the basic equation for fully
developed
>flow applies, and at a point below this the entrance
effects equation is
>more valid? If so, how can this transition point be
determined?
>
>Thanks in advance for all comments and advice!! References
to
>publications are also welcome.
>
>
>Lauri
The equations that you looked at are no doubt very
empirical. I doubt that your assumptions will be valid
because of this. I don't know how much trouble it would be,
but you may be able to set up some "tests", and measure the
parameters you need. If this isn't beyond reason, you could
curve fit some type of polynomial expression to your data.
If this is totally impractical (it probably is), you may be
able to find some research work (or something previously
published) in this area. Good luck.
Subject: Titles in the Workplace (was Re: Drafting Software Survey)
From: "S. Yoder"
Date: 15 Nov 1996 03:46:39 GMT
Tom_Austin wrote in article
<328B9F7F.31DF@optilink.dsccc.com>...
> >
> > I personally never gave a flip. Yet I don't like "draftswoman", but I
do
> > take it as a sign of politeness when a guy goes out of his way to
> > say "drafter". "Draftsperson" doesn't cut it either. Makes me think of
> > an old Far Side cartoon ;)
>
>
> Maybe it's a generational/geographical thing. I'm 35, and in all my
> time in the workplaces, and all the places I've worked, Drafter and
> Designer are the standard terms, even by the Old Guard guys, who are
> traditionally sexist in every other way.
>
> I'm in California. Maybe that's it.
Eh, could be. I'm in the "bible-belt" and graduated from a high school
that, only 6 years ago, still strongly discouraged females from taking
the drafting/machine shop class. But then that makes me younger than
you by about 10 years.
I'll cast my vote for attitude, though.
Enjoy,
Stef
Subject: Titles in the Workplace (was Re: Drafting Software Survey)
From: "S. Yoder"
Date: 15 Nov 1996 03:46:39 GMT
Tom_Austin wrote in article
<328B9F7F.31DF@optilink.dsccc.com>...
> >
> > I personally never gave a flip. Yet I don't like "draftswoman", but I
do
> > take it as a sign of politeness when a guy goes out of his way to
> > say "drafter". "Draftsperson" doesn't cut it either. Makes me think of
> > an old Far Side cartoon ;)
>
>
> Maybe it's a generational/geographical thing. I'm 35, and in all my
> time in the workplaces, and all the places I've worked, Drafter and
> Designer are the standard terms, even by the Old Guard guys, who are
> traditionally sexist in every other way.
>
> I'm in California. Maybe that's it.
Eh, could be. I'm in the "bible-belt" and graduated from a high school
that, only 6 years ago, still strongly discouraged females from taking
the drafting/machine shop class. But then that makes me younger than
you by about 10 years.
I'll cast my vote for attitude, though.
Enjoy,
Stef
Subject: Re: Advice on entrance effects?
From: Ernest Visser
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:24:34 -0700
Lauri Eklin wrote:
>
> I'm trying to find appropriate equations for convective heat transfer in
> the water cooling pipes of a continuous casting machine.
>
> I have glanced through Perry's chemical engineering handbook and some
> other related text books and found a bunch of appropriate looking
> equations of the form of Nu = f(Re, Pr). The problem is, the equations
> are basically for a situation where L/D (length/diameter) > 60. In my
> case, this ratio is c. 15-20. I have also found an equation for the
> so-called entrance effects, which is valid for L/D > 10.
>
> Could it be correct to assume that at some point the flow of my interest
> is already fully developed and the basic equation for fully developed
> flow applies, and at a point below this the entrance effects equation is
> more valid? If so, how can this transition point be determined?
>
> Thanks in advance for all comments and advice!! References to
> publications are also welcome.
>
Look at the book "Handbook of Single-Phase Convective Heat Transfer",
(1987) Sadik Kakac and Ramesh K. Shah and Win Aung, John Wiley & Sons.
ISBN 0-471-81702-3
This should help out your with some of the enterance lengths and
developing flow, both thermal and hydraulical. This handbook
has information on many geometries.
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Subject: Re: Drafting Software Survey
From: noran@ix.netcom.com(Katarina Weinberg)
Date: 15 Nov 1996 08:47:56 GMT
In <328BA588.9A@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Toni Garrison
writes:
>
>Gary Lynn Kerr wrote:
>>
>> On 12 Nov 1996, it was written:
>> >
>> > >Gary Lynn Kerr said...To whom ever wrote that the term
>> > draftsMEN was not correct. GET A LIFE!
>> > >And a female boss has a problem with it she has too much time
>> > on her hands....GET A LIFE! ....snip, snip, snip!
>
>
>> > Katarina was out-of-line when she wrote her comment about the
>> survey. I also feel that any boss that that takes offense to the original
>> terms has too much time on their hands.
>
>
>
>I agree!! I am a feMALE studying at Purdue University for Mechanical
>Drafting and Computer Animation... I think that we all need to get
real
>and stop worrying about whether someone calls use draftsMEN or
>whatever!!! MAN has been used to refer to both men and woMEN for
>centuries, and it is definitely "too much time on our hands" that has
>caused us to worry about such minor things. I am a woMAN and proud of
>it. I am not weak because I am feMALE, but I don't have to have the
>English language changed in order to prove that!!!!
>
>Get on with something that is important in life and get over this
>feminist attitude. People like you ruin being a woMAN for people who
are
>proud to be one!
>
> Toni
I am sure that you are not weak. Language can both include and
exclude. The point is that people can write draftsmen or address
everybody with the term drafters. It is not that difficult.
Subject: Mixing downstream of an obstacle
From: bferron@ifremer.fr (Bruno FERRON)
Date: 15 Nov 1996 08:43:07 GMT
Hello !
Does there exist any simple model that estimates vertical/diapycnal mixing
coefficients K and/or dissipation rate of turbulent kinetic energy of a stratified
sheared (incompressible) flow downstream of an obstacle (cf sketch below) ?
(model which could be based on spectral shape of the obstacle and/or vertical
velocity shear, stratification, Froude Number,...)
Thanks,
Bruno.
NB: I'm not interested in turbulent closure model such as Mellor and Yamada level 2
or higher models :-)
______ isotherm _______
\__________
\
\____
\
------> \
^ Flow direction \ ___________________
| \ |
z | \ |
|-----> _____________ \/\/\/
x /+++++++++++++\
/+++++++++++++++\ Mixing, K=... m2s-1
/+++ Obstacle ! ++\
/+++++++++++++++++++\
____________________/+++++++++++++++++++++\____________________
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Subject: Re: Titles in the Workplace (was Re: Drafting Software Survey)
From: C
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 08:05:07 -0800
S. Yoder wrote:
>
> Tom_Austin wrote in article
> <328B9F7F.31DF@optilink.dsccc.com>...
> > >
> > > I personally never gave a flip. Yet I don't like "draftswoman", but I
> do
> > > take it as a sign of politeness when a guy goes out of his way to
> > > say "drafter". "Draftsperson" doesn't cut it either. Makes me think of
> > > an old Far Side cartoon ;)
> >
> >
> > Maybe it's a generational/geographical thing. I'm 35, and in all my
> > time in the workplaces, and all the places I've worked, Drafter and
> > Designer are the standard terms, even by the Old Guard guys, who are
> > traditionally sexist in every other way.
> >
> > I'm in California. Maybe that's it.
> Eh, could be. I'm in the "bible-belt" and graduated from a high school
> that, only 6 years ago, still strongly discouraged females from taking
> the drafting/machine shop class. But then that makes me younger than
> you by about 10 years.
>
> I'll cast my vote for attitude, though.
> Enjoy,
> Stef
Just call me a CADD Operator
Subject: PhD : Tridi-flow and transport in coastal zone : numerical modeling (19/11/96 10h30 Grenoble FRANCE)
From: Stephane CHEVALIER
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:43:19 +0100
=============================================================
FRANCAIS (for english version see below)
=============================================================
Soutenance de These :
Mardi 19 novembre 1996 a 10h30,
Salle de conférence de l'IRIGM
rue de la piscine
Universite de Grenoble (FRANCE)
--------------
Ecoulement et transport littoraux tridimensionnels :
application numerique
--------------
par Cristele BERTHET
pour le titre de Docteur en mecanique geophysique
These effectuee au LEGI
(Laboratoire d'Ecoulement Geophysique et Industriels)
Universite de Grenoble (FRANCE)
Resume :
L'utilisation d'un modele numerique tridimensionnel a permis d'etudier
d'une part un ecoulement caracteristique en zone cotiere a forte
bathymetrie, d'autre part, le transport de sediment.
L'influence de la bathymetrie et de la stratification sur l'evolution
d'un courant et de la surface libre est analysee. Cette etude se
concretise par une simulation realiste de la section du courant Nord
face a la baie de Monaco.
Le transport du sable et de la vase est considere sous l'action d'un
courant et de la houle. Puis, une etude sur le transport des particules
organique permet d'evaluer la production primaire dans la colonne d'eau.
=============================================================
ENGLISH
=============================================================
Tuesday 19 november 1996, 10h30,
conference room of IRIGM
University of Grenoble (FRANCE)
--------------
Tridi-flow and transport in coastal zone :
numerical modeling
--------------
by Cristele BERTHET
for the title of : Docteur en mecanique geophysique
PhD. carried out at the LEGI
(Laboratoire d'Ecoulement Geophysique et Industriels)
University of Grenoble (FRANCE)
Abstract :
We studied a characteristic flow in a deep coastal zone and the
transport of sediment using a three-dimensional numerical model.
The influence of bathymetry and stratification on flow and water level
was analysed. This study is applied in the simulation of a part of the
"North current" of the coast of Monaco.
The transfer of sand and clay was studied under the influence of flow
and waves. Then, a preliminary evaluation of the transfer and primary
production of the organic matter was presented.
Subject: The Second Biennial European Coating Symposium
From: jon@icrg.leeds.ac.uk (Jonathan L Summers)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 19:44:15 +0000 (GMT)
The Second Biennial European Coating Symposium
Euromech Symposium 367
Fluid Mechanics of Coating Processes
22nd - 25th July 1997, Université Louis Pasteur,
Strasbourg, FRANCE.
Background
Interest in Coating Process Fundamentals and their
Applications has risen sharply in recent years. Indeed
fluid film coating is now an established as an
interdisciplinary research areas incorporating
analytical, computational and experimental methods.
The organisers of the Second European Coating Symposium
aim to continue the spirit of the ECS '95 by:
* attracting a healthy balance of academics and
industrialists;
* providing a suitable forum for the presentation and
discussion of recent work and the informal exchange
of ideas;
* including a varied programme of keynote
presentations, papers, sponsored poster session,
social events and a conference dinner.
The Second European Coating Symposium will be held at
the Université Louis Pasteur de Strasbourg (France), in
July 1997.
For more details check out http://icrg.leeds.ac.uk/ECS/
--
Dr. J.L.Summers, Department of Mechanical Engineering
University of Leeds, LEEDS LS2 9JT
Tel: +44 (0) 113 233 2151, Fax: +44 (0) 113 242 9925
email: j.l.summers@leeds.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Titles in the Workplace (was Re: Drafting Software Survey)
From: cbkelly@ix.netcom.com(C. Brian Kelly)
Date: 15 Nov 1996 20:41:40 GMT
In <01bbd2a8$6ff0a080$8ad623c7@stef> "S. Yoder"
writes:
>
>
>
>Tom_Austin wrote in article
><328B9F7F.31DF@optilink.dsccc.com>...
>> >
>> > I personally never gave a flip. Yet I don't like "draftswoman",
but I
>do
>> > take it as a sign of politeness when a guy goes out of his way to
>> > say "drafter". "Draftsperson" doesn't cut it either. Makes me
think of
>> > an old Far Side cartoon ;)
>>
>>
>> Maybe it's a generational/geographical thing. I'm 35, and in all my
>> time in the workplaces, and all the places I've worked, Drafter and
>> Designer are the standard terms, even by the Old Guard guys, who are
>> traditionally sexist in every other way.
>>
>> I'm in California. Maybe that's it.
>Eh, could be. I'm in the "bible-belt" and graduated from a high school
>that, only 6 years ago, still strongly discouraged females from taking
>the drafting/machine shop class. But then that makes me younger than
>you by about 10 years.
>
>I'll cast my vote for attitude, though.
>Enjoy,
>Stef
I'm sixty years old, am M.E. with a four-page close spaced resume, and
am a northeast-corridor big-city dirty old man sexist pig of the First
Magnitude. It's been Drafter and Designer since when I rode my dinosaur
to work before I got my '47 Plymouth. A designer is a drafter with more
time on the board and more catalogs on the shelf. Or these days, more
time on the mouse and more vendor CAD files on the hard drive.
And I'll tell ya what: There comes a point in life when the last thing
you worry about is silly things like job titles . . or whether the
designer/drafter wears a skirt. (Yes, Viginia . . women USED to wear
things called skirts . . before they were "liberated" and became
"regular guys" . . ).
Ta-ta.
cbk
Subject: Getting WAY off the Drafting Software Survey thread...
From: Tom_Austin
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:27:11 -0800
....so sue me.
Jim Weir wrote:
>
> Gary Lynn Kerr shared these priceless pearls of
> wisdom:
> ->To whom ever wrote that the term draftsMEN was not correct.
>
> Well, as the person that started this little side thread, let me do a short
> reply:
>
> For whatever little cosmic joke, She made the male of the species
> physically dominant, speaking from a statisitical point of view. In the
> days of the hunter-gatherer, that made the male the food supplier. If the
> female didn't please the male, she didn't eat. Ain't THAT a fancy reward
> system? Sure as little green apples weeds out the uppity ones in a jolly
> quick hurry.
a grain of truth here, but look at the phrase: hunter-gatherer. The
males did the hunting, the females did the gathering. My guess is that
hunting was a far less consistent source of food than gathering, So if
the male didn't please the female, guess what?
no nuts and berries tonight, hon!
Now what does THAT remind me of?
(*to paraphrase Dennis Leary*)
OH, I'm going to hell for that one....and so are you, if you laughed.
>
